@@frankwalders all u need is the paid verison of kontakt and u got acess to every kontakt libary their are atleast 20tbss of kntakt libaries there is defentiley way more thats just the ammount of libaries i counted offf of one site
I really wish they would spend more time refining their old products (Massive, FM8, Absynth), instead of just dumping huge amounts of new sounds, expansions packs and kontakt instruments that almost never gets used. I am dying for a resizable window for FM8, updated GUI for 4k/8k displays etc......
I have had nothing but problems using Native Instruments software. Relentless crashes, some tracks refusing to open that I have worked on for a long time and one of the worst attitudes to customer support. If you use Reason 12 especially I would avoid them. But I found them worse in Ableton. A lot of money hasn been wasted on their software by me and I really regret it.
Most accurate review of Komplete I’ve ever seen! I have 12 collector’s edition and I think 14 ultimate is a massive update from 12 considering all the play library’s, and mixing plugins. I really don’t use any of the expansions so no need for collectors edition this round I’d say.
@@tilllanglo5316 That's true, but once you go down that route, the update price is higher for each tier and also as each komplete comes around, some libraries from a higher tier can become available in a lower tier I think standard and ultimate offer the best bang for your buck in terms of content depending on whether you are a producer or a composer If you really want the symphony series collection, then it might be worth it, but you can get a crossgrade if you own komplete standard or ultimate, also ultimate does give you the essential series and the new orchestral tools samples taken from the Berlin series, plus all the cinematic libraries
I just ensure to upgrade NI whenever they do the 50% off upgrade. I also sell any duplicated licences on eBay for my expansions and instruments. It pretty much pays for the upgrade.
Comparing with whatever hardware synth the possibilities are endless! The downside is it doesn't challenge us getting everything out of limited tools. Really dive into a single synth or plugin and get to know and understand it deeply, often sparks more creativity from inside instead of a external plugin. Putting effort in a sound will make it much more alive and personal! (my two cents to all of this 😉 )
I wish NI kept up with their Synths and Effects. All they do nowadays is sound packs... Lets get a Massive X Update and some modernized Reaktor Ensembles like Rounds 2.0 or Razor 2.0
@@sixstab2967 i can’t remember exactly when it started. But they call it “Summer of Sound” sale or something like that. So around July or so I would guess.
Absolutely! Also if you have a drive with a couple tb of instruments and you get a new computer, you cannot reuse the content without downloading again. No relocate... No reuse of files.
OMG THIS! Seriously getting rid of a piece of NI is like trying to get rid of HERPES. Iike it might look gone, but you can bet its still there. Though I did only find this to be a WINDOWS thing, Its MUCH more straightforward on MAC..... so maybe its less of an NI thing and more of a windows thing? I dont know every time i add or remove a piece of audio hardware or audio software to my PC set up EVERYTHING seems to get borked.
as I see it, what really makes this update worth it is ozone and the bx tools together with a massive new amount of stuff compared to previous editions
This is the BEST overview of Komplete 14 - with or without the sarcastic truth. Unknowingly, you gave me a roadmap to review my recent upgrade to KK 14 from 13. I appreciate it ❤
You didn't even scratch the surface of the cool stuff (for those who aren't familiar with older libraries). Things like "Thrill" and "Rise and Hit" are insanely good. "Mystique" and "Straylight" are amazing too.
I have komplete 14 ultimate and I don’t regret getting it. I use them on my projects since I got it. It’s very nice and basically all I need. I got a ssd for my libraries.
@@kjellbeats if the Black Friday deal is still on. It’s definitely worth it. But I’d say you should check out the new plugins they have and libraries if you really do need them. If you don’t. Then there’s no reason to upgrade. You can check out preview videos on TH-cam and the preset. That was what I did before getting it. It’s good to have an idea of what you’re getting, if it’s really what you need.
@@JhazzyMusic I agree but I think that the Summer of Sound sale NI usually has is even better for the price. Usually 50%. So instead of paying 6 hundred and change for the K14 Collectors, it should come down to 3 hundred and change. Close to $400. My wallet's not so deep so I'll wait for the summer sale. I like working with the Orchestra sounds so I feel that the Collectors edition is worth it but as stated by others, if you're not planning on doing much with the Orchestra tools then the Ultimate is a the better version to get.
Dude, you give stand up comedy a shot this video had me cracking up 🤣. I came here after another video that made me feel like Komplete was about to change my life🤩
bro, I own Komplete 14 ultimate and I don't make too much orchestral music, that moment at 3:00 was a personal attack LMAO and It hurted so good. Love you Weaver!
Thanks for the review. Not that I have any immediate plans of purchasing this.. but as you clearly put a lot of effort into putting this together I've watched this review in its entirety. You're welcome.
I’ve been using maschine since like 2012, started with the MK1 & now own MK2 & MK3. I had been on maschine 1.7 for the longest time & would use massive. I went to update massive & when I loaded a project, I realized a lot of my patches had reset. I had bass lines & custom settings on projects that all got reset to factory sound. I reached out to them & their best response was that it was my fault because I didn’t keep up with the updates. Biggest let down ever, I wouldn’t update cause things were running fine. No one updates when they are in a functioning version, that’s just my experience.
I had the Komplete 11 and it was overkill for my needs. Now I use mostly hardware synths and that simplifies my life. But my Virus has thousands of presets so never run out of options for hardware ideas.
I’m on the fence. I have K12 and I’m considering going to K14 but I might wait for K15 when NI adds Sandbox, Mangler and an OP-1 DIY kit. Oh and a Pvlace sample pack. Take all my money at that point. 😁
I swear I wish you did this before Black Friday...but luckily everything you said was very infornative and I had bought the Standard Bundle because it provided a substantial amount I believed was worth even the $599. However...I am a orchestral beat lover...im just broke.
A LOT of great stuff in there. Soul Sessions is surprising because it actually fits ALL types of genres extremely well. Do not let the name lock you into thinking soul only.
TMT is just a fancy term for "yo, we let you apply an offset to the frequency and gain of each filter, but we don't want you to know what exactly the offset is so here you have a bunch of presets for that to choose from, byeee". as you can probably tell, i'm not a fan. i mean, i do love the idea to add L/R or M/S offsets to filters, but the UX to hide that behind cryptically labeled buttons is just utter nonsense that only appeals to those who believe only the very specific offsets that were introduced by random consoles are good for music production for some reason. they should have just made that a bunch of knobs.
Those expansions are great sounds but I'm always worried about using them cause of copyright lol! I LOVE battery 4! It is my go to sampler and drum machine! I have all my kits saved in it too! Another thing that's a pain is that alot of the expansions you have to like dig to get to then load into kits yourself. Like I wld rather 1/2 the packs, if they were already loaded in kits! I'm on like 12 or 13 too lol
The biggest issue us dealing with the install and disk space. 10 TB drive is really making sense. How to back that up? Cloud is expensive too for that size.
I just bought Komplete 14 standard and I expent like 5 days researching and comparing. I told myself: I won't have time to check ALL sounds...is impossible SO RELAX. I bought it because I love some the instruments in the package and can save some cash. Many of the sounds I wont install.
This don’t sound weird to me at all! I was not the least impressed by any of the sounds demoed here. I have the feeling NI is still as crappy as it was when I bought Komplete 8. Shitloads of samples I never used. Later I bought an old Roland XV-5050 to find out it sounds so way superior - by taking only a few Megabytes. Could bite my ass off for ever have gotten in touch with AI.
NA is one of the best values in music, just take it on over time and it don’t stress your bank account - unless you have money to burn upfront front ;) Think I started with the basic freebie pack-in option in 2018, now I have the top tier collector’s edition for 14. If you need the instruments* it’s easy and affordable enough to just jump up to higher tiers over time during yearly sales!
Yup! This is my plan. I’m getting a NA keyboard and it comes with Komplete 14 Select. I’m probably gonna upgrade incrementally until I get the complete package
thanks for running thru this... I was contemplating getting it and at least I got to see some of the stuff in it. Still on the fence but may upgrade it... some of the guitars and pianos are really nice in this bundle
I just picked up the ultimate cause it was on sale for half off, honestly though I’m most excited to use Ashlight for my EDM stuff, I feel like that’s gonna be a lot of fun to use
I have this but barely use it. I also have a o of Moog, Oberheim, Roland and Yamaha synths. I tend to go with those. I mainly use Komplete 14 when I have friends who produce come over. It's great, but I'm getting away from VSTs.. I pretty much do everything outside of the box until it's time to use the DAW to track and mix.
K14 Standard is around 7K + worth of stuff at less than 10% of its individually priced/purchased value. That’s over 90% off. It’s an insanely good deal. I was offered the crossgrade option with 30% less then this already great price. If you’re updating from previous its 60% less. Sure you’ll probably never use 80% of these plugins but even using 20% will cover the cost. And you own them. It’s not a subscription. Certainly don’t need it and it’s still more than a few cents out the pocket but if you’ve got expendable and you produce using DAW’s and digital systems, it’s a really good deal.
I have to chime in on one thing, as a music composer and producer working on video game content - Action Strings, while it was never the best sounding library (nor were Emotive Strings), the all around versatility of the instrument ended up in so many movie/games music scores. I have templates for most of those things, but still when I want to quickly draft a string part, I use action strings quite often. It been almost 10 years now, Action strings + Action Strikes are two unbeatable libraries for quick epic music. You can change sounds later, East West offers better sounds in general, but it is still a great thing to have. Sorry for focusing on one product only, while you are reviewing the entire bundle. On that note, I use Komplete for ages now and while they do tend to cram in some average stuff, overal it is one of the best all arounder stuff you can get.
So I'm fairly new to music production and enjoyed watching this. I think some of the NI stuff is amazing, and my strategy so far has been to get stuff when it's on offer, so I first got Kontakt 6, when it was on offer (and further discounted after a crossgrade from the free Arcane - Embertone) I've also just picked up Select, because it came free with the Mashine Mikro Mk3, which was the same price and good fun to use (though not quite as simple to use with Ableton as I'd maybe hoped) and I also REALLY like some of the Expansion Packs.. I'm hoping now that if NI do a summer discount on Standard, I might be able to crossgrade for a reasonable sum from Select? The other option you haven't mentioned is Komplete Now, which again I'm not sure is great value for money, but it does come with a few extras like Battery, Playbox, Empire Breaks which I don't have yet. And because I got a Focusrite interface, I'm entitled to 3 months free subscription, so I can trial and decide if it's worth investing in the rest?
Another thing. Although these things are like really expensive, we have a better chance of getting it for absolutely free (yes, officially), compared to other companies' bundles. Even the Collectors' edition one.
It's for those kinds of people who when trying to buy a Pc are like: hello computer guy, please give me a high-end computer, so I can watch Netflix on it, or apple buyers. Pick any library from any version of the Komplete series, there are 10 other libraries that do the job better, it's for lazy people.
@@remymonro6043 Just pick a library from the Komplete, anything, Choir, orchestral, piano...etc with a simple googling, you'll find something much, much better.
@@deadlyrobot5179 Netflix is like the Komplete Now collection where they keep updating it per the subscription. The reason there are 14 Kompletes is because the company is constantly evolving and improving, it’s a rather petty argument to harp on the name being akin to ‘Complete’. The truth is, any one of the Ultimate Komplete editions will set you for life, but if you wanna stay on the cutting edge of things you’ll upgrade. It’s kinda like music, you don’t need to listen to every song to enjoy the music, you could just listen to one playlist, but new albums help enhance your playlist further.
I upgrade every couple of years. I have 12UCE and because of NI’s Summer of Sale, in my account, 14UCE will cost me just over 200 - no brainer upgrade for me! Thanks, man!
Thanks. I should stop moaning about the size of the sample libraries and be thankful I don't deal with video files. But I'm not going to because I'm a miserable old curmudgeon.
What I don't like about Native Instruments is they don't give you the full version of their Kontakt sample player in a lot of their bundles.. I bought select 13($199) and it was extremely limited.. to upgrade to the full version of Kontakt (just the sampler) they want an extra $199... What ? Garbage !
Honestly, got Komplete 13 Ultimate, and with all the other plugs I have (Arturia, IK, and Omnisphere) there is absoutely no need to upgrade. Between the plugins and Ableton I have literally all the tools I need. Now, if I could just find enough time outside of working to really make use of that shit :(
Some alternatives to Komplete: MSoundFactory - the best competitor, but definitely not on the same level yet. It's nice that all the synths and sampled instruments are in the same plugin though. Really has potential. Orchestral Tools Sine Player - the free libraries are definitely somewhat of an alternative to Komplete if you are only considering free products Then on the same note... LABS? Also maybe Soundpaint? Definitely not there yet though. Also Arturia V Colection I would say is a competitor, though only focused on keys for now
None of these have anywhere near the versatility of Komplete. Komplete is carried by Kontakt, Raum, & MASSIVE X. The only real competitor would be the Waves collection with every effect and synth, but the 60 plugins that come with Komplete degrade the Waves deal. There really is no alternative to Komplete.
@@LunaRealized MSoundFactory can do anything Massive X, Reaktor and Kontakt can. So if they keep putting out good Libraries I can definitely see it being a real competitor. With effects it gets more complicated obviously. But I think many devs make good reverbs
Super dope vid! I have NI ultimate 13. It has some descent stuff, but I think I used only about 3% of that stuff. You should do one now of Arcade/Output… it’s starting to come in my feed now!
Rather than make music, I just listen to delivered beats, samples and presets in Komplete. Maybe I’ll compose something more significant than a 4 or 8 bar thing next year. 😢
You did mention in the video that 'there's nothing like it'. This day and age - that says a lot. As an owner, it is hard to 'select and build sounds', but I haven't found something comparable. I really like it!
S'why are folks looking for updates on kontakt player giving the update 4/10 score where they are much more familiar with kontakt where others are giving the complete standard or whatever 10/10 score, might it be natibmve basically just added tonnes of orchestral movie samples and no real positive change to the players ui and functionality??
Native Access it’s a real pain in the ass. library managing, installation errors, concession of permission to folders for it to work and many other things in order to keep it working make abandoned NI. Also customer service it’s a joke when you got troubles. So no more money from my pocket to this shitty company.
This 👏🏽 . I’ve used NI Komplete for years now, but I’ve had enough; and trying to transition to other options from Serum, Korg and Apple . Frustrating having NI apps not work or errors every few months , interfaces still suck, and customer service is almost nonexistent.
90% of these sounds are garbage and outdated. Komplete series only makes sense if you dont have kontakt to begin with. If you do have it, then do your research on what sounds you actually want and just buy that library. This way you wont have 15 libraries where you only use 5 sounds from. Buying a library that has nothing but strings or choirs makes alot more sense than buying a library thats trying to do everything.
So I’ve got collectors 13! I think it’s fantastic *IF* you get on super sale & you don’t own a lot of things. I effectively got it for 1/3 of the price. To me the ~$200 price difference was worth it for a few reasons: - arkhis is worth that alone - it’s quick and easy to create movement straight away (think spitfire evos) - I don’t think they’re the best violins but from spitfire & OT it would have cost more then the difference. - you’re not going to use all the expansion packs but there was some dnb & bass music which were only available via collectors. I was looking at buying them already as I love my machine. I’m not saying it’s for everyone- however I do think there’s a lot of value in collectors if you don’t own much stuff, and want to get started with everything you need.
I personaly bought Kontakt 6 full version as a stand alone purchase after I bought Abbey Roads Drummer Collection. If you have Komplete Standard then the Kontakt Factory library is still OK as a fall-back as Komplete Standard doesn't come with Session Horns Pro so in that instance Band is still usable if you want saxophones and that's really the idea of the Kontakt Factory library is to provide you with any sort of instrument. I wouldn't buy Kontakt 7 on it's own but even if I bought Komplete and upgraded that way I would still do some stuff exclusively with the Factory 2 library. The Kontakt Factory Selection also has quite a few usable sounds so once I had the full version I was already acquainted with some of the basses, drums, guitars and some of the World and Synth sounds. Kontakt is still worth buying as a stand alone purchase even just to be able to free Kontakt libraries that require the full version.
How any of the synths are really separate synths? I know about Massive, FM8 and Razor which seems cool but a lot of the synths are really just Kontakt with diff UI and samples yeah?
I'm amused you immediately put the factory library 2 in the trash. The reality is that what new stuff they did add is insanely good value. For example, the orchestral samples that were developed by Orchestral tools. Sure, they can be redundant, but their dynamic range is unique enough to be part of my pallet, even though I've spent thousands on other higher-quality orchestras.
I suspect they see the Msschine factory library as one of their bigger mistakes - a groovebox and sampler that comes with 8GB of samples and infinite effect capability =- not a lot of reason to buy packs.
Best thing you can do: buy Kontakt, 3/4 Spitfire Audio Libries and that’s it. The Native Instrumenta Libraties is shit compared to Spitfire Audio Libraries.
I got Komplete 13 not long before 14 came out and I eventually ended up upgrading just for a play box lol. Can’t say I regret it, but I will say they did not add very much to justify the update as an entirely new version of Komplete. But for the very few additional tools that I did get out of 14, had I bought them individually it would’ve cost a lot more than the upgrade. That’s how they getcha 😂. But perhaps that’s because I only have the standard version. I would argue however that for someone who doesn’t have any version of this product yet it’s probably worth the money
Exactly what I'm on the fence with. Currently 10 bucks for subscription last couple months for playbox and I dig it. It's 200 solo or the same for 14 standard upgrade. I only get Ozone as the semi-useful bonus. I'll decide at xmas:)
If you want to upgrade you should better wait until upgrades are on sale. Then you can probably upgrade from 13 standard to 14 standard for 99 bucks. At least I hope so 😂
Because I still got a whole gang of other stuff for just a price of play box. That’s kind of the point. I actually was going to just buy play box but the upgrade was the same price
And I totally agree on the sales you have to be smart with a Native Instrument stuff like that but at this point in time it wasn’t on sale so I just did the normal upgrade price. I originally got 13 at a massive discount so it just wasn’t a big deal to me. That’s why I got 13 so close to the release of 14. It was my first time buying Komplete
Much like redeeming bottle deposits in Michigan with free truck rentals, upgrading Komplete during one of their sales (especially the 50% ones) is a total game changer. I've upgraded from 11 through 14 over the years, 50% off at a time up to this most recent 14 Collector's upgrade. Don't regret it one bit. One thing that's good (or bad) is that with each version, they keep adding a few new expansions/instruments here and there as standard to Komplete. The only downside is that if you previously BOUGHT that instrument or expansion as a standalone? Well, I guess you do lose a little value there - which again is cut in half if you buy it during one of those 50% off sales, like the one going on now as I write this... 😁
Would it be possible to sell the previously bought standalone instruments (by means of license transfer) or are the separate licenses lost once you buy the Komplete package?
I have Komplete 12. In truth I have quite a few plugins besides. I don't use it much. (I've had Komplete since 5, sometimes skipping updates, but to be frank, in almost every area, there are better synths and sounds out there. I tend to use Kontakt and Battery, but not their libraries, and I plan to have a good go with FM8 to get my head around FM synthesis. At some point I'll give Massive X a go, though I never got into Massive.)
I understand your points, but you just can’t compete with the content in this bundle for the price. My method of not getting ripped off is to buy every other komplete bundle instead of a new one each year, since you basically get two upgrades for the price of 1 1/2. Also if you don’t have komplete and are buying it for the first time, you should buy the current version. You will actually lose about $200 (ultimate ver) if you buy the one from the year before and plan on upgrading in the future.
Let's face it, it's insanely good, you just have to be able to live with the fact that you'll never use it all.
The only thing that is really worth it for me is Kontakt. Which is sold separately
Yep. Them taking Absynth out😅 sucks.
I am ok with that. I go for UCE and upgrade pretty much every couple of years.
@@beautifulcaramelman eh yeah, but... With Complete almost every instruments works in Kontakt
@@frankwalders all u need is the paid verison of kontakt and u got acess to every kontakt libary their are atleast 20tbss of kntakt libaries there is defentiley way more thats just the ammount of libaries i counted offf of one site
I mixed some of the drums on Empire Breaks. Glad you liked the pack. Your videos are awesome! Keep doing what you’re doing 👍
Huge
That’s awesome! Great work friend 🎹
I love empire breaks, I use them constantly
I really wish they would spend more time refining their old products (Massive, FM8, Absynth), instead of just dumping huge amounts of new sounds, expansions packs and kontakt instruments that almost never gets used. I am dying for a resizable window for FM8, updated GUI for 4k/8k displays etc......
Still on 12 and only gonna upgrade if any of the plugs stop working on my Mac
Playbox alone is a BEAST of a tool. I'm considering an MK3, Komplete 14, and ditching all my other shit.
I’m interested, what’s the other gear you’ll ditch?
@@GarfRichards All of the gear I had that was made for Ableton. Of course, now they have the Push 3! 🫣
@@treyhudson73 Typical timing 😂
I have had nothing but problems using Native Instruments software. Relentless crashes, some tracks refusing to open that I have worked on for a long time and one of the worst attitudes to customer support. If you use Reason 12 especially I would avoid them. But I found them worse in Ableton. A lot of money hasn been wasted on their software by me and I really regret it.
What customer support?
now but the upgrade, peasant. And dont forget to buy some expansions.
Which version were you using?
Most accurate review of Komplete I’ve ever seen! I have 12 collector’s edition and I think 14 ultimate is a massive update from 12 considering all the play library’s, and mixing plugins. I really don’t use any of the expansions so no need for collectors edition this round I’d say.
Some of the good Kontakt instruments are only available in the Collectors Edition version.
@@tilllanglo5316 That's true, but once you go down that route, the update price is higher for each tier and also as each komplete comes around, some libraries from a higher tier can become available in a lower tier
I think standard and ultimate offer the best bang for your buck in terms of content depending on whether you are a producer or a composer
If you really want the symphony series collection, then it might be worth it, but you can get a crossgrade if you own komplete standard or ultimate, also ultimate does give you the essential series and the new orchestral tools samples taken from the Berlin series, plus all the cinematic libraries
I just ensure to upgrade NI whenever they do the 50% off upgrade. I also sell any duplicated licences on eBay for my expansions and instruments. It pretty much pays for the upgrade.
The fact is that Komplete is never really complete.
Comparing with whatever hardware synth the possibilities are endless! The downside is it doesn't challenge us getting everything out of limited tools. Really dive into a single synth or plugin and get to know and understand it deeply, often sparks more creativity from inside instead of a external plugin. Putting effort in a sound will make it much more alive and personal! (my two cents to all of this 😉 )
I wish NI kept up with their Synths and Effects. All they do nowadays is sound packs... Lets get a Massive X Update and some modernized Reaktor Ensembles like Rounds 2.0 or Razor 2.0
I’m on Komplete 13 collectors edition now. Thinking of waiting until summer for a 50% off upgrades sale again. 😂
That is my plan as well. So 14 uce next year and 15 a year or two later.
Hi! Any idea when the sale usually is?
@@sixstab2967 i can’t remember exactly when it started. But they call it “Summer of Sound” sale or something like that. So around July or so I would guess.
@@sixstab2967 my fault. Just googled it, and they started June 1st last year. So check around then. Lol
@@DamnCam83 thnx man! Im looking to buy the collectors edition. Im getting the sl88 keyboard as well and thinking avout machine+
One thing I hate about NI is they make Uninstalling the most painful experience, add a uninstall button like every other product manager 🤦
Absolutely! Also if you have a drive with a couple tb of instruments and you get a new computer, you cannot reuse the content without downloading again. No relocate... No reuse of files.
Lol when torrents let you do all of this but the legit product doesn't 😫😂
OMG THIS! Seriously getting rid of a piece of NI is like trying to get rid of HERPES. Iike it might look gone, but you can bet its still there. Though I did only find this to be a WINDOWS thing, Its MUCH more straightforward on MAC..... so maybe its less of an NI thing and more of a windows thing? I dont know every time i add or remove a piece of audio hardware or audio software to my PC set up EVERYTHING seems to get borked.
Buy a Mac i guess?
@@koenigneroit's as painful on the mac for a lot of their products.
It installs some plugins to like 5 or 6 locations
26:42 🤣🤣 yes, I found this out the hard way. All that downloading, and barely anything usable in there.
No one said it was unusable tho...
One of the few channels I follow. You do a great job. Love your straight forward reviews. :)
as I see it, what really makes this update worth it is ozone and the bx tools together with a massive new amount of stuff compared to previous editions
i have 9 ultimate and really want to upgrade, but geez man. i dont have disc space for all this crap lol
This is the BEST overview of Komplete 14 - with or without the sarcastic truth. Unknowingly, you gave me a roadmap to review my recent upgrade to KK 14 from 13. I appreciate it ❤
You didn't even scratch the surface of the cool stuff (for those who aren't familiar with older libraries). Things like "Thrill" and "Rise and Hit" are insanely good. "Mystique" and "Straylight" are amazing too.
Straylight is goated
Rose and hit is one of my favorites. So easy to pick transition FX's. I make music for television and those are my go tos.
I have komplete 14 ultimate and I don’t regret getting it. I use them on my projects since I got it. It’s very nice and basically all I need. I got a ssd for my libraries.
do you think its worth upgrading from komplete 13 to 14?
@@kjellbeats if the Black Friday deal is still on. It’s definitely worth it.
But I’d say you should check out the new plugins they have and libraries if you really do need them. If you don’t. Then there’s no reason to upgrade. You can check out preview videos on TH-cam and the preset.
That was what I did before getting it.
It’s good to have an idea of what you’re getting, if it’s really what you need.
@@JhazzyMusic thanks!
@@JhazzyMusic I agree but I think that the Summer of Sound sale NI usually has is even better for the price. Usually 50%. So instead of paying 6 hundred and change for the K14 Collectors, it should come down to 3 hundred and change. Close to $400. My wallet's not so deep so I'll wait for the summer sale. I like working with the Orchestra sounds so I feel that the Collectors edition is worth it but as stated by others, if you're not planning on doing much with the Orchestra tools then the Ultimate is a the better version to get.
@@johnborges9201 yes. That’s true. I had to wait till Black Friday before I got it. I also upgraded my Ableton to suite 😂.
Ayyyyyy!! I never hear anyone reference Eskmo, that dudes always been one of my favorite sound designers.
Dude, you give stand up comedy a shot this video had me cracking up 🤣. I came here after another video that made me feel like Komplete was about to change my life🤩
The fickle finger of funny! 😮
bro, I own Komplete 14 ultimate and I don't make too much orchestral music, that moment at 3:00 was a personal attack LMAO and It hurted so good. Love you Weaver!
Why Glaze sounded more like keys and Ignition Keys more like vocals?
tbf i picked random presets, the overall design of glaze was supposed to be centered around vocals though.
Great work. We need more real music reviewers in the space.
Companies know exactly what they are doing it’s business… if they give us what we want now … how do they get us to buy the next version. 🤔🤔🤔🤔
Thanks for the review. Not that I have any immediate plans of purchasing this.. but as you clearly put a lot of effort into putting this together I've watched this review in its entirety. You're welcome.
I’ve been using maschine since like 2012, started with the MK1 & now own MK2 & MK3. I had been on maschine 1.7 for the longest time & would use massive. I went to update massive & when I loaded a project, I realized a lot of my patches had reset. I had bass lines & custom settings on projects that all got reset to factory sound. I reached out to them & their best response was that it was my fault because I didn’t keep up with the updates. Biggest let down ever, I wouldn’t update cause things were running fine. No one updates when they are in a functioning version, that’s just my experience.
I had the Komplete 11 and it was overkill for my needs. Now I use mostly hardware synths and that simplifies my life. But my Virus has thousands of presets so never run out of options for hardware ideas.
I'm waiting for the summer sale so I can get it cheaper since they didn't give a deal on it this holiday season
The last update I got was 12 I think. I just don't see a reason yet to pay the price for an update.
I’m on the fence. I have K12 and I’m considering going to K14 but I might wait for K15 when NI adds Sandbox, Mangler and an OP-1 DIY kit. Oh and a Pvlace sample pack. Take all my money at that point. 😁
HAHA Nice
I swear I wish you did this before Black Friday...but luckily everything you said was very infornative and I had bought the Standard Bundle because it provided a substantial amount I believed was worth even the $599. However...I am a orchestral beat lover...im just broke.
It's a good day when weaver drops
Great video thank you. I haven’t finished watching it yet but already subscribed because of your vibe. Nice bro. 🎹
battery doesnt work on mine ... i can prehear the sounds but if i try to load anything i get an error that says "battery could not be loaded " "ERROR"
A LOT of great stuff in there. Soul Sessions is surprising because it actually fits ALL types of genres extremely well. Do not let the name lock you into thinking soul only.
Are the orchestral libraries up to the standard for scoring now? last i checked even eastwest had them beat
Eh, spitfire or heavyocity still have some way better Kontakt libraries
@@ghostplayermusic True, but have you checked their prices? definitely NI doesn't have the best libraries, but they are still great for the price.
TMT is just a fancy term for "yo, we let you apply an offset to the frequency and gain of each filter, but we don't want you to know what exactly the offset is so here you have a bunch of presets for that to choose from, byeee".
as you can probably tell, i'm not a fan. i mean, i do love the idea to add L/R or M/S offsets to filters, but the UX to hide that behind cryptically labeled buttons is just utter nonsense that only appeals to those who believe only the very specific offsets that were introduced by random consoles are good for music production for some reason. they should have just made that a bunch of knobs.
Those expansions are great sounds but I'm always worried about using them cause of copyright lol!
I LOVE battery 4! It is my go to sampler and drum machine! I have all my kits saved in it too!
Another thing that's a pain is that alot of the expansions you have to like dig to get to then load into kits yourself.
Like I wld rather 1/2 the packs, if they were already loaded in kits!
I'm on like 12 or 13 too lol
Thank you for your honesty personally and truth😂😂👍
Thank you very helpful 👍
Really enjoyed this video, thank you. 🎹♥️
The biggest issue us dealing with the install and disk space. 10 TB drive is really making sense. How to back that up? Cloud is expensive too for that size.
A 2tb has been working fine for me so far. 🎹♥️
Total Studio Max 3.5 is a really good alternative (probably even better).. and is on offer at just 200$ right now..
I just bought Komplete 14 standard and I expent like 5 days researching and comparing. I told myself: I won't have time to check ALL sounds...is impossible SO RELAX. I bought it because I love some the instruments in the package and can save some cash. Many of the sounds I wont install.
This may sound weird, but Komplete makes me want to go full hardware.
This don’t sound weird to me at all! I was not the least impressed by any of the sounds demoed here. I have the feeling NI is still as crappy as it was when I bought Komplete 8. Shitloads of samples I never used. Later I bought an old Roland XV-5050 to find out it sounds so way superior - by taking only a few Megabytes. Could bite my ass off for ever have gotten in touch with AI.
Just starting out - this would be perfect. For me it would just be duplicating almost everything pointlessly.
NA is one of the best values in music, just take it on over time and it don’t stress your bank account - unless you have money to burn upfront front ;) Think I started with the basic freebie pack-in option in 2018, now I have the top tier collector’s edition for 14. If you need the instruments* it’s easy and affordable enough to just jump up to higher tiers over time during yearly sales!
Yup! This is my plan. I’m getting a NA keyboard and it comes with Komplete 14 Select. I’m probably gonna upgrade incrementally until I get the complete package
thanks for running thru this... I was contemplating getting it and at least I got to see some of the stuff in it. Still on the fence but may upgrade it... some of the guitars and pianos are really nice in this bundle
This video persuaded me to look elsewhere for virtual instruments. Thank you.
I just picked up the ultimate cause it was on sale for half off, honestly though I’m most excited to use Ashlight for my EDM stuff, I feel like that’s gonna be a lot of fun to use
I just upgraded to the Ultimate Bundle which i Love. Dont see any reason to get the Collectors though 😂
I have this but barely use it. I also have a o of Moog, Oberheim, Roland and Yamaha synths. I tend to go with those. I mainly use Komplete 14 when I have friends who produce come over. It's great, but I'm getting away from VSTs.. I pretty much do everything outside of the box until it's time to use the DAW to track and mix.
I kept watching because of your sense of humor lol.
Kontakt is like around 14yrs old and sounds okay, but its not progressed well.
UVI Falcon smashes kontakt out of the park, and Falcon is a synth too.
Wow, your hair has grown since yesterday? Amazing....
K14 Standard is around 7K + worth of stuff at less than 10% of its individually priced/purchased value. That’s over 90% off. It’s an insanely good deal. I was offered the crossgrade option with 30% less then this already great price. If you’re updating from previous its 60% less. Sure you’ll probably never use 80% of these plugins but even using 20% will cover the cost. And you own them. It’s not a subscription. Certainly don’t need it and it’s still more than a few cents out the pocket but if you’ve got expendable and you produce using DAW’s and digital systems, it’s a really good deal.
The brainworx stuff absolutely rules. Got them through Plugin Alliance pre-teamup and love what comes out of them.
I have to chime in on one thing, as a music composer and producer working on video game content - Action Strings, while it was never the best sounding library (nor were Emotive Strings), the all around versatility of the instrument ended up in so many movie/games music scores. I have templates for most of those things, but still when I want to quickly draft a string part, I use action strings quite often. It been almost 10 years now, Action strings + Action Strikes are two unbeatable libraries for quick epic music. You can change sounds later, East West offers better sounds in general, but it is still a great thing to have. Sorry for focusing on one product only, while you are reviewing the entire bundle. On that note, I use Komplete for ages now and while they do tend to cram in some average stuff, overal it is one of the best all arounder stuff you can get.
So I'm fairly new to music production and enjoyed watching this. I think some of the NI stuff is amazing, and my strategy so far has been to get stuff when it's on offer, so I first got Kontakt 6, when it was on offer (and further discounted after a crossgrade from the free Arcane - Embertone)
I've also just picked up Select, because it came free with the Mashine Mikro Mk3, which was the same price and good fun to use (though not quite as simple to use with Ableton as I'd maybe hoped) and I also REALLY like some of the Expansion Packs..
I'm hoping now that if NI do a summer discount on Standard, I might be able to crossgrade for a reasonable sum from Select?
The other option you haven't mentioned is Komplete Now, which again I'm not sure is great value for money, but it does come with a few extras like Battery, Playbox, Empire Breaks which I don't have yet. And because I got a Focusrite interface, I'm entitled to 3 months free subscription, so I can trial and decide if it's worth investing in the rest?
Another thing.
Although these things are like really expensive, we have a better chance of getting it for absolutely free (yes, officially), compared to other companies' bundles. Even the Collectors' edition one.
But how?
@@unbreakablealex2732 Metapop
I bought Lores last week and haven't even tested it out yet because I've been so busy. Into the trash!? Nooooo!
so you're saying for beat making the standard version is enough bro?
you would think for something called komplete they wouldnt need to make a second one let alone 14 of them.
It's for those kinds of people who when trying to buy a Pc are like: hello computer guy, please give me a high-end computer, so I can watch Netflix on it, or apple buyers.
Pick any library from any version of the Komplete series, there are 10 other libraries that do the job better, it's for lazy people.
@@deadlyrobot5179 what are the ten other libraries?
@@remymonro6043 Just pick a library from the Komplete, anything, Choir, orchestral, piano...etc
with a simple googling, you'll find something much, much better.
@@deadlyrobot5179 Netflix is like the Komplete Now collection where they keep updating it per the subscription. The reason there are 14 Kompletes is because the company is constantly evolving and improving, it’s a rather petty argument to harp on the name being akin to ‘Complete’. The truth is, any one of the Ultimate Komplete editions will set you for life, but if you wanna stay on the cutting edge of things you’ll upgrade. It’s kinda like music, you don’t need to listen to every song to enjoy the music, you could just listen to one playlist, but new albums help enhance your playlist further.
@@deadlyrobot5179can you name some for me please? Would help. Ten would be even better
I upgrade every couple of years. I have 12UCE and because of NI’s Summer of Sale, in my account, 14UCE will cost me just over 200 - no brainer upgrade for me! Thanks, man!
Thanks. I should stop moaning about the size of the sample libraries and be thankful I don't deal with video files. But I'm not going to because I'm a miserable old curmudgeon.
What I don't like about Native Instruments is they don't give you the full version of their Kontakt sample player in a lot of their bundles.. I bought select 13($199) and it was extremely limited.. to upgrade to the full version of Kontakt (just the sampler) they want an extra $199... What ? Garbage !
I installed it and then I back it up every night to my NAS.
Honestly, got Komplete 13 Ultimate, and with all the other plugs I have (Arturia, IK, and Omnisphere) there is absoutely no need to upgrade. Between the plugins and Ableton I have literally all the tools I need. Now, if I could just find enough time outside of working to really make use of that shit :(
I don't miss what I never had. I don't have any kontact and I am fine.
Some alternatives to Komplete:
MSoundFactory - the best competitor, but definitely not on the same level yet. It's nice that all the synths and sampled instruments are in the same plugin though. Really has potential.
Orchestral Tools Sine Player - the free libraries are definitely somewhat of an alternative to Komplete if you are only considering free products
Then on the same note... LABS?
Also maybe Soundpaint? Definitely not there yet though.
Also Arturia V Colection I would say is a competitor, though only focused on keys for now
MSF is free updates for life
None of these have anywhere near the versatility of Komplete. Komplete is carried by Kontakt, Raum, & MASSIVE X. The only real competitor would be the Waves collection with every effect and synth, but the 60 plugins that come with Komplete degrade the Waves deal. There really is no alternative to Komplete.
I use tone 2 synths and they offer everything that I need for synth sounds
@@LunaRealized MSoundFactory can do anything Massive X, Reaktor and Kontakt can. So if they keep putting out good Libraries I can definitely see it being a real competitor.
With effects it gets more complicated obviously. But I think many devs make good reverbs
how do i torrent Kontakt been trying for a while but can't seem to get it to work
Super dope vid!
I have NI ultimate 13. It has some descent stuff, but I think I used only about 3% of that stuff.
You should do one now of Arcade/Output… it’s starting to come in my feed now!
You did the lord's work, my friend. Thanks for powering through it. Very helpful.
Rather than make music, I just listen to delivered beats, samples and presets in Komplete. Maybe I’ll compose something more significant than a 4 or 8 bar thing next year. 😢
You did mention in the video that 'there's nothing like it'. This day and age - that says a lot. As an owner, it is hard to 'select and build sounds', but I haven't found something comparable. I really like it!
S'why are folks looking for updates on kontakt player giving the update 4/10 score where they are much more familiar with kontakt where others are giving the complete standard or whatever 10/10 score, might it be natibmve basically just added tonnes of orchestral movie samples and no real positive change to the players ui and functionality??
Seriously I'm asking, did they make any real updates/upgrades to the existing virtual controllers? And vat ver vey hmm ya?
"Playbox is what Sandbox wished it could be". FATALITY!
Native Access it’s a real pain in the ass. library managing, installation errors, concession of permission to folders for it to work and many other things in order to keep it working make abandoned NI. Also customer service it’s a joke when you got troubles. So no more money from my pocket to this shitty company.
This 👏🏽 . I’ve used NI Komplete for years now, but I’ve had enough; and trying to transition to other options from Serum, Korg and Apple . Frustrating having NI apps not work or errors every few months , interfaces still suck, and customer service is almost nonexistent.
90% of these sounds are garbage and outdated. Komplete series only makes sense if you dont have kontakt to begin with. If you do have it, then do your research on what sounds you actually want and just buy that library. This way you wont have 15 libraries where you only use 5 sounds from. Buying a library that has nothing but strings or choirs makes alot more sense than buying a library thats trying to do everything.
Everything NI makes sounds the same as it did in 2010 when I bought the Maschine MK1! Still using those same libraries in Komplete 😂
So I’ve got collectors 13! I think it’s fantastic *IF* you get on super sale & you don’t own a lot of things.
I effectively got it for 1/3 of the price. To me the ~$200 price difference was worth it for a few reasons:
- arkhis is worth that alone - it’s quick and easy to create movement straight away (think spitfire evos)
- I don’t think they’re the best violins but from spitfire & OT it would have cost more then the difference.
- you’re not going to use all the expansion packs but there was some dnb & bass music which were only available via collectors. I was looking at buying them already as I love my machine.
I’m not saying it’s for everyone- however I do think there’s a lot of value in collectors if you don’t own much stuff, and want to get started with everything you need.
im that ocds guy i need everything i like to many sounds it gives me options i can write a melody and just flip through instruments and never run out
I bought 14 Collector's Edition. LOL....dude you're hilarious. I'm laughing so hard. LOL
I personaly bought Kontakt 6 full version as a stand alone purchase after I bought Abbey Roads Drummer Collection.
If you have Komplete Standard then the Kontakt Factory library is still OK as a fall-back as Komplete Standard doesn't
come with Session Horns Pro so in that instance Band is still usable if you want saxophones and that's really the idea
of the Kontakt Factory library is to provide you with any sort of instrument. I wouldn't buy Kontakt 7 on it's own but even
if I bought Komplete and upgraded that way I would still do some stuff exclusively with the Factory 2 library. The Kontakt
Factory Selection also has quite a few usable sounds so once I had the full version I was already acquainted with some
of the basses, drums, guitars and some of the World and Synth sounds. Kontakt is still worth buying as a stand alone
purchase even just to be able to free Kontakt libraries that require the full version.
I would love to get komplete 14 but it's so expensive
How any of the synths are really separate synths? I know about Massive, FM8 and Razor which seems cool but a lot of the synths are really just Kontakt with diff UI and samples yeah?
I'm amused you immediately put the factory library 2 in the trash. The reality is that what new stuff they did add is insanely good value. For example, the orchestral samples that were developed by Orchestral tools. Sure, they can be redundant, but their dynamic range is unique enough to be part of my pallet, even though I've spent thousands on other higher-quality orchestras.
I suspect they see the Msschine factory library as one of their bigger mistakes - a groovebox and sampler that comes with 8GB of samples and infinite effect capability =- not a lot of reason to buy packs.
i just upgrade from version 11. well worth it for me.
I hate Kontakt, the sounds and instruments are great BUT the usability is so bad...
Can't be arsed to use it anymore.
Agreed
NI has become a marketing machine is about all..
Dated..
Best thing you can do: buy Kontakt, 3/4 Spitfire Audio Libries and that’s it. The Native Instrumenta Libraties is shit compared to Spitfire Audio Libraries.
I got Komplete 13 not long before 14 came out and I eventually ended up upgrading just for a play box lol. Can’t say I regret it, but I will say they did not add very much to justify the update as an entirely new version of Komplete. But for the very few additional tools that I did get out of 14, had I bought them individually it would’ve cost a lot more than the upgrade. That’s how they getcha 😂. But perhaps that’s because I only have the standard version. I would argue however that for someone who doesn’t have any version of this product yet it’s probably worth the money
Why didn’t you just buy playbox?
Exactly what I'm on the fence with. Currently 10 bucks for subscription last couple months for playbox and I dig it. It's 200 solo or the same for 14 standard upgrade. I only get Ozone as the semi-useful bonus. I'll decide at xmas:)
If you want to upgrade you should better wait until upgrades are on sale. Then you can probably upgrade from 13 standard to 14 standard for 99 bucks. At least I hope so 😂
Because I still got a whole gang of other stuff for just a price of play box. That’s kind of the point. I actually was going to just buy play box but the upgrade was the same price
And I totally agree on the sales you have to be smart with a Native Instrument stuff like that but at this point in time it wasn’t on sale so I just did the normal upgrade price. I originally got 13 at a massive discount so it just wasn’t a big deal to me. That’s why I got 13 so close to the release of 14. It was my first time buying Komplete
bro i always wanted dis plugin thx for dis vid
Is that Cowboy Bebop as BGM? You have my subscription!
The only things i cared about Komplete was...
Kontakt, Reaktor, FM8, Massive and Absynth.
And now absynth is out of the equation 😢
Just got Komplete 14 Ultimate at NI's Summer Sale, nearly maxed out my SSD, don't regret a thing 😂
Much like redeeming bottle deposits in Michigan with free truck rentals, upgrading Komplete during one of their sales (especially the 50% ones) is a total game changer. I've upgraded from 11 through 14 over the years, 50% off at a time up to this most recent 14 Collector's upgrade. Don't regret it one bit.
One thing that's good (or bad) is that with each version, they keep adding a few new expansions/instruments here and there as standard to Komplete. The only downside is that if you previously BOUGHT that instrument or expansion as a standalone? Well, I guess you do lose a little value there - which again is cut in half if you buy it during one of those 50% off sales, like the one going on now as I write this... 😁
Would it be possible to sell the previously bought standalone instruments (by means of license transfer) or are the separate licenses lost once you buy the Komplete package?
I have Komplete 12. In truth I have quite a few plugins besides. I don't use it much. (I've had Komplete since 5, sometimes skipping updates, but to be frank, in almost every area, there are better synths and sounds out there. I tend to use Kontakt and Battery, but not their libraries, and I plan to have a good go with FM8 to get my head around FM synthesis. At some point I'll give Massive X a go, though I never got into Massive.)
You can import your own samples into Ashlight, even the demo!
I understand your points, but you just can’t compete with the content in this bundle for the price. My method of not getting ripped off is to buy every other komplete bundle instead of a new one each year, since you basically get two upgrades for the price of 1 1/2.
Also if you don’t have komplete and are buying it for the first time, you should buy the current version. You will actually lose about $200 (ultimate ver) if you buy the one from the year before and plan on upgrading in the future.
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