How much can you charge for the Park Entrance in RollerCoaster Tycoon 2?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 ก.ย. 2024
- A lot more than you think. You're gonna be rich.
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Finally, the realistic Disney park experience!
Needs more artificially manipulated wait times. Also RCT will _never_ let you charge anywhere near Disney concession prices, no one will buy anything (except for the umbrellas in the rain, of course)
@@chompythebeast What was Disney charging in the mid-90s? The game is old enough that inflation's kicked in since... Then again, the ride construction prices are several orders of magnitude too low so... eh.
@@charredUtensil its easier to think this way but if you consider that each guest would represent hundreds of thousands of people as realistically, there would be more than 10k people coming to the park per day, you know
No 6000 dollar star wars hotal tho
$600 is not unreasonable for a once-in-a-lifetime experience.
Especially with the "corner o' furies"
Cheaper than actual euthanasia.
Even a bad climbing rope is usable for the rest of your life
replace "once-in-a-lifetime experience" with "last experience"
And guests spend like what, 6 months minimum in a park?
"I'm taking a gap year before college"
'To visit Europe?'
"Nah I just want to check out this Ferris Wheel 6 I saw in the paper"
"A Launched free fall dangerously close to crashing"
Isn't that every launched freefall everyone makes in RCT?
What’s the point of it otherwise? ;-)
If it doesn't come close to crashing, you made it at least one segment taller than it strictly needs to be. That's just bad engineering. Get out that calculator!
Remember, RCT1 has NO ATMs available, and a lot of its goals are guest oriented, so it might be worth it to having them spend their money gradually, rather than all at once, unless you have a ride that can Despawn them without crashing (maze deleter), in which case, rake in the moolah.
As an adult in RTC, I balance this by charging as much as possible first to re-invest the money and make everything near free in the last (half) year to make the guest count spike if I'm not well over my target. It's crazy what you can achieve if you just know all the pricing mechanics! There is so so much to this great old game, it's crazy.
TBH I still do think that charging for both entry and rides was the best way of making money in RCT1 classic. I find there's a significant difference in OpenRCT2 in how much the guests are willing to pay for flat rides if they payed park entrance, making it pretty much worthless to have a park entrance fee, but in RCT1 with the speed at which you hit the maximum people carry on them, if you set your park entrance fee to the minimum amount guests spawn with, you can get all the guests and also slowly chip at the last $30 or so that the guests with the highest amount of money have. And because ride aging does eventually bottom out the ticket price of flat rides, and because some of the rides eventually end up as really cheap or free, you still have your guests sticking around the park for a bit.
@@mopsnufWhat does you bring an adult have to do with anything lol
@@asmrtpop2676 The game was so much fun to play naively 20 years ago, and is so much fun to optimize every inch out of now.
I love how Chris Sawyer predicted the inflation crisis of 2022 by encouraging pretty average parks to charge far more than the guests are able to carry
LMAO
haha so true
Truly a man of vision
When I was a kid I was so mortified by getting a ‘worst value park’ award (I raised evergreen gardens to $20 almost at the start) that I never charged much for the entry again.
So much potential electronic money wasted!
I like how OpenRCT2 updates are treated like official updates by the community, as they should be.
Since they upped the entry price I was playing around with the amount of money you can make the guests start with on average and even at the capped end of $999. Some guests will spawn into the scenario with over $1,000 which is neat.
Now we just have to find a way to make guests pay ten times more for concessions and we can _really_ start building Disney Parks
*the sound of raindrops ticking on an umbrella intensifies*
What are concessions?
I always put an entertainer in the food court area, as happier guests are more willing to pay and arm and a leg for a burger!
@@607 food vendors.
@@JGD714 Ah yeah, I rarely buy food in amusement parks or zoos.
I personally like pay for entrance more since every amusement park I went to only charges for entry and the rides are free once inside. It's funny how simple the game calculates the entry price.
I assume you can suck the guests almost dry for entry, then have ATMs so they can spend money on stalls and whatnot?
That's one solution. Ut I've found that if you want to keep a steady stream of income through entrance fees ill build a cash machine then routinely close it to force people to leave. The soft guest cap generator tends to keep your park from going empty but rotates those cash rich guests through the park.
Important to keep in mind vanilla RCT1 has NO atm machines, that was RCT2 or openrct2.
The amusement park I've frequented the most as a kid, both takes a high entrance fee and high ride fees. So when I found out that in RCT1 you could not have both a high entrance fee and ride prices, it annoyed me, since I found it unrealistic to what I knew xD
@@muntantmonsterx4365 or you can put the exit of a transport ride underground with no path connected. People will disappear in the void, making more room for new guests. And a transport ride because everyone will ride them if it is free
I used to like Pay For Entrance parks over Pay For Ride parks and I hated how Loopy Landscapes forced me to charge for rides...
Then I watched Marcel's videos on how to properly charge for rides and suddenly I dislike the model of having guests pay for entry and just charge high ride prices.
I don't micromanage enough to do both ride fees and entry fees though
A trick I used:
As the guests view at the entrance fee is only calculated once pr. month, I set the entrance fee down to zero (Free entrance) on the last day of the month.
And when it becomes the first of the next month I raise the price to what the poorest guests have in their pocket when arriving!
Thus getting the best park value award (attracting more guests!) while they still pay maximum money to enter. (Except for a few guests who gets in for free at the turn of the month.)
I'd just like a "highest price the guests would pay even if they hate life right now" tickbox to automate ride prices. Because all that math with age and everything sounds like a lot to keep track of.
There is that ride price manager plug-in, but I think it requires you to hit the button to recalculate it every so often to account for ride aging, thus it's not automated.
That plugin does recalculate automatically.
@@MarcelVos I stand corrected, thanks.
@@MarcelVoswhat's the plugin plz?
It's weird to see you deconstruct all the guesswork I did as a kid with math and code. Taking away every paralell I made with reality in that game.
Feels like being unchained from the cave.
love Marcel's anti-clickbait thumbnails
I just love that you color the text the same as the ride. Really neat little detail!
I remember when I was a kid and I first managed to completely fill up Evergreen Gardens, being able to charge the maximum price for entry with people still saying the park is "good value". I really regret having lost that ancient save, would've loved to be able to look at it today.
Dont feel sad, go, go recreate it now and show us
I'm sure I can make a joke about the Dutch and Stingyness
At least we put some of our money into our roads xD
@@gymnasiast90 well.. not a lot of good that's doing them right now x)
@@gymnasiast90 Roads? Where we're going we don't need roads
As a kid, I liked mixing up how my guests would pay. If I only knew how the harder parks would lock to one mode only.
Younger me would have definitely appreciated this information.
They sure didn’t make it too obvious
Amazing that you can make a park that is just a Death Coaster Museum and still succeed through park entry fees. "Don't touch the exhibits."
In small caption directly beneath: "Or do, if you want to. You already paid and we don't really care."
i see that park name thumbnail Marcel...
I was wondering how long it would take for someone to comment on that. The answer is: not very long.
huh, I remember playing RCT1 back when I was a kid, and I think I always got the "best value" trophy... Guess I should have charged more for the entry
Yeah I make way more money in parks now just knowing you can charge the excitement rating in pay-per-ride parks
Something I thought about while watching this video is related to ATMs. How does the three possible ways you can charge your fee (only pay for rides, pay for entry and less for rides, or pay only for entry) interact with the guests ability to use cash machines and how much additional profit you are likely to make when they do?
Pretty simple: guests need cash=guests use ATM. If its pay per entry only, theyll be using that money for stalls and ride photos.
Man 15, year old me playing RCT2 when it came out would have loved to have these videos to watch and understand the game's mechanics.
Marcel: "If you ride any of these, you will die."
Guest: "Shut up and take my money!"
Answering the questions of the RTC universe, as always
roller toaster cycoon
Wonderful video, as always! Thank you for covering the differences between RCT1, RCT2, and Open RCT
I still miss the ability to charge for both the park and rides from RCT1, as well as its price calculations (which are nerfed heavily in OpenRCT2). I always charged a considerable amount for the park but leave enough room for guests to spend on rides, meaning that I always had guaranteed income from guests when they enter and they don't stay all the time because the rides are forced to be free.
Awesome that the ppl just attracted by the intensity... and nothing else!
Btw it would be cool to have you figure out how the running cost of a ride are measured - are they dependent on the trains, stations, ride type, track pieces...? I guess it would make a once more great video :D
I haven't played RCT in almost a year. And still come to your videos. I hope you get to play more games.
I love parks with entrance fees. They're so good. Frontloaded income.
My thoughts exactly. I see people always preferring "charge for rides" and I always wonder what the hell they're smoking because I always struggle to get income for "charge for rides" because of those guests who enter my park and then leave without paying a cent because the AI in RCT is so bad. On the other hand, "charge for park" means that I can always just keep on spamming marketing schemes and get an immediate return on investment, making acquiring guests and maintaining my financial account a breeze.
@@realjazzygd Yup, happens all the time. They get in the park, do pretty much nothing, get bored and leave. There's nothing you can do to change their mind.
@@realjazzygd It's more me tracking guests leaving the park and noticing they have not spent a penny in my park that gets up in my grill. Obviously the majority of guests I have do ride on rides before they leave, but it's the biggest problem I have with RCT2 as a whole that I can't charge for both park and rides like in RCT1, even with the cheat in OpenRCT2 that greatly nerfs how much you can charge for both at the same time (essentially no matter how much you charge for the park entry you cannot charge for stuff like flat rides).
I was looking for this exaxt video yesterday, what a coincidence that you've uploaded today
That intro killed me, Jesus Christ dude I couldn't stop laughing...
0:18 nice
You ever thought of doing some videos on the RCT Classic (for mobiles)? It seems to act differently in a few subtle ways, you'd probably be the best person to see them as I'm just speculating as it's been a decade since I've played it on PC.
Funny that this comes up shortly after I started actually playing and got the "guests are commenting that the entry fee is very cheap, perhaps you can raise the price to make a little more money" message a lot and I'd bump it up to like $18 or something. xD
That used to happen to me all the time in vanilla RCT1. I always just bumped it up a few dollars every time it did.
You had me at “snap your spine”. Take my money 😂😂🤡💀
Is this the next challenge for you to do then? Beat a hard level without having any rides that the people want to actually ride?
2022 en deze Legend maakt nog steeds RCT2 video's!
No wonder amusement parks have cash mashine *before* the entrance.
I always feel bad charging too much and keep getting the "guests are commenting your park entrance fee is really low" notification
I’ve enjoyed your videos on pricing, I’m currently trying to get better with ticket and park entry pricing, but I also wanted to ask is there a full length version of the gentle ride music at the end of this video, I love the remix!
I love that at least one person in the Netherlands still knows in which order the colours of our flag belong. Thanks for that :).
So, when will you complete a scenario with 0 total riders and 0 sold items, where all the money just comes from entry tickets?
it always bothered me in RCT1 that no matter the price I put on the entrance, the guests would comment the entrance price is too cheap
They don't do that if you set it to $0. But I bet you only increased the entry by $1 or $2 each time you got the message.
Its always funny when you get the too cheap message when raising the price would make guests unable to afford entrance to the park.
I remember for the longest time, I would set the entry fee very low. Whenever I got a notification about "guests something blah blah low entry fee" I would increase it with 5$ until I reached around 45-50$. Not really the most efficient strategy there, pretty sure that would bar me from ever working with managing any of Disney's theme parks 🤣
Maybe the guests just wanna see someone board one of those killer coasters and it's just a fee to watch the execution...
nice thumbnail lol
Video idea: The distribution of time that guests will be in the park. Example 20% of guests remain for 1 month, 10% of guests keep in the park for more than 1 year, how layout and ATM change this, etc.
Funny that I used the sum of what you would charge for each ride as a thumb rule for the entry fee. I never expected that this was actually the way it is calculated. However, I didn't charge the high prices that are possible when a ride is brand new.
So am I correct to assume that the "theoretical" highest price of the vehicles is what is calculated into entry fee, or is it the number you input. Sorry if this was answered in the video, Marcel!
if you charge for both, then you can jack the entry price as high as the guests have money, then charge the rest for rides... ofc you need ATMs but it's a good way to get guests to spend money, actually!
I remember i used to cheese the game by putting an atm just inside the park enterence then a tower of rides with exits above my park enterence so after one ride they’d be out of the park but still pathfind to another ride and pay to get in again
Your videos prompted me to give RCT2 a spin again after a decently long while, and now that I've actually tried to think about what I'm doing in it, it's a ton of fun so far! Thanks for getting me to give it a proper try. :)
On that note, a question. I'm playing via OpenRCT2, and I've been having a blast - but something that's proving to be a consistent nuisance is my staff. No matter how I try to set up my handymen's patrol areas, they're quite poor at actually keeping the paths clean. It's often gotten to the point where I've just had the staff menu open and manually dragged and dropped one guy around to clean everything up.
What's the limit to how much area a single handyman can cover before you start running into issues? Is there some sort of pathfinding issue in OpenRCT2 specifically that causes staff to have issues? Does marking non-path tiles in patrol areas slow handymen down, even if they're not tagged to mow the grass?
I was just playing factory capers and was wondering this. Good timing.
I always added a dollar for every individual ride I had, but boy was I missing out
I usually just do $5 per ride. I'm usually building fast enough that I'll hit the guest cash limit well before they ever complain about cost
Thanks for clearing that up.
I was always wondering what a good entry fee would be and my guessed prices never seemed to be working well.
Now I am wondering what would be better: trying to charge high entry and getting rid of guests as quickly as possible (maybe by emptying their pockets with stalls?), or charge moderately entry and some for the rides with many ATM's to bind the people to the park?
yes just cycle them through the gate. spending on rides is slow to get the rest of their cash, (in the long run it IS more $$ tho) so more guests entering is quick cash. they can leave to make room for the next. Gate has the ultimate highest thru-put of any cash device in game
I suppose that depends on your goal. If your scenario has a guest count goal, you want them to stay in the park.
the quickest way to cycle out guests is to careen them into the void. Set your gentle rides underground and have them exit straight into the underground with no path, and the guests will fall through the earth and disappear. No trace, no penalty, and a new guest will soon show up to pay a new entry fee.
and there at 6:40 is the reason the value calculator did not work out for me in Forest Frontiers the other day. My first time playing openRCT2.
0:18 nicenicenicenicenicenicenicenicenicenice
Best
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0:19 NICE
I'm not paying that much for a park entrance from Theme Park 1
Nice video.
Question,
How are custom rides, parks and regular save-files saved?
"100 identical rollercoasters that will all snap your spine and kill you if you ride them" 🤣
I wonder what you enjoy more. Playing RCT or playing with Excel which is always open in your other screen xD
Do awards give you additional guest bonuses or are they just a grade of how well you are otherwise doing?
The big question is, is that "launched free fall that is dangerously close to crashing" still safe if 8 guests with the maximum possible body weight were to enter simultaneously?
time for an update (higher ticket price) and an contest who get the highest price at a park.
What do you prefer? Pay per ride, pay per entry, or pay for both? I always used pay for both when I played rct1 because I didn't know better.
So now the question is, which gets you the most money in the shortest amount of time?
A park where you only pay for entry
A park where you only pay for rides
A park where you pay to enter and to ride the ride
Went to Alton Towers last weekend.
Can confirm you can charge a lot of money and people will pay.
Very fun! Thanks!
Interested if you could do a video on how ATMs work !
Hmm, speaking of Park Entry fee i wonder: what would happen if you dropped Guests inside your Park to the Path leading to the Park, like via Death Maze at the Border/above the non-owned Path? (both with and without entry fee)
Would the Guests leave the Park? Walk back in? possibly pay the entry fee twice?
you mean like have building rights outside your park, make a maze and store guests in it?
@@pauls5745 building rights yes, but not storing them in the maze, rahter put the exit right above the path so they drop down on it
@@unitrader403 they will be stuck on the said tile they dropped, I accidentaly did that 1 time
Nice video! What scenario is at 2:49 ??
Hello, Marcel! I have a question: What if you make all of your rides free? I always used to do this when playing RCT and found it to be a decent strategy because I would make the park entry fee around $60 more or less
That's what most of the video is talking about
Awesome a Disney park simulator
Guests before entering the park: “i know how many rides are there and their price, and i will only pay after i calculate it in under a second.”
hey Marcel, I have a question relating to this video; You name prices for the rides, but how do we know what the price the guests are willing to pay for each ride? if the park is entry fee only, the rides are always free and thus, how do we figure out what they would be 'willing' too pay, as the price is set 'free'
Sorry if this doesnt make sense, but I think I always under charge around €35/40 as that way all guests can come in. I play OPEnrct2
You just estimate. My rule of thumb is 10 per coaster and 3 per flat ride. It gets you to the maximum you should charge (minimum they spawn with) very quickly and rarely overcharges.
Do you have a list of each roller coasters requirements to avoid stat reductions? I want to practice designing minimal setups
Marcel Vos the Boss!
Huh, so RCT1 guests are only willing to pay 25% the "normal" amounts for rides? Somehow I never realized that, even though it's a pretty big difference.
Only if they paid for the park entry. You can always charge for the entrance but if you make it free they'll pay full price for the rides.
But what if everything's free in the park but the entry fee is like, what they maximum spawn with?
Anyone else notice the name of the park in the thumbnail?
I am sometimes disgusted by the park entry prices I can comfortably get away with, though I still only make the entry maximum as high as leaving the minimum guest wallet with 10$ left to buy food and souvenirs with
*ahem*
Name your test parks test *pork.*
Did you know that ride prices stabilise after a certain number of years and then never changes again?
In your opinion, charge for rides only? Entrance only ? Or a mixture of both ?
Answering today's important questions :) #breakneckspeed
Imagine going to a park with over a $1000 in your pocket (imagine having that much in the first place..)
If you set it to 45 and they only got 45 ~ *can guests still pay toilets and other items?* (i take you need an ATM then?
Where can I hear the full version of the music at the very end?
Ultra-Extreme nausea rating. Handymen call it "The Horror".
Yeah i need those plugins
Ha, "Boobies". Good one Marcel!
What's the highest amount of money you can earn in one non-infinite scenario?
is it possible to park a atm infront of the entrance and how would it affect the income?
I would pay $600,- to watch machines that could kill me
6:33
Can the contribution be negative then?
How about Parks you can only charge for the entrance, not the rides? how does the game calculates the maximum?
That's what the majority of this video is about.