The nice thing about this season is that Ulong demonstrates they have the capability to win, so it never gets too boring. They keep finding new and creative ways to lose. With Ravu, on the other hand, it was clear they would probably lose everything.
But they had no leader and none of them liked being told what to do they where a mess even if they had the ability to win they didn't have the capability to work and listen to each other
when they complain about the other team using strategy, calling them weak for thinking their moves through, it really shows that they won't be winning much anytime soon.
whats funny is that they reference the united states of america when they choose to use a democracy but in the original revolutionary war, the only way the colonists won was through strategy.
the real annoying thing is they had so many chances to pull back, time and time again a member shows a sense of leadership and responsibility, but minor pet peeves every single time cause them to chase them off, like "oh he's too fatherly" c'mon!
Jeff is a personal trainer, and this is a previous injury. He knows that his body wasn't working properly and managed to convince enough of them to vote him off.
Never watched a second episode of Survivor and I never will, but I will happily watch a well crafted twenty minute chronicle of a tale of incredible arrogance and all around Karen’s get their asses handed to them as if Karma itself was in the editing room
Peanut butter and jelly sandwiches and a glass of milk are better to me. But I personally earned my Emergency Survival merit badge with flying colors with one of the requirements being make a shelter from scratch. So I can make a really good shelter myself.
Them getting rid of Jolanda was their first & biggest mistake to me. They were a group of misfits that needed leadership badly but they were too stubborn to listen.
And even if America was a "we dun need no darn leaders we a democracy" kinda nation, that approach just doesn't work in a small tribal group setting...
@@MrMarttivainaa It can work in small group setting, but is usually not efficient; and for it to work, requires everyone in the group to be proactive, competent, and not lazy in the slightest.
Koror won the water challenge because they took advantage of the water level going around the track. They blazed through the shallows while taking it slow in the deeper end whereas Ulong just powered through the whole way. In the end, Koror had the stamina to catch Ulong.
It also didn't hurt that they had a leader who was very familiar with holding a lot of weight (equipment) in a hot area (like a burning building) while being restricted by circumstance (like wearing fire protection.)
@@ellaser93 damn so what you’re saying is they had someone who had experience, and shared what they learned with the others. I believe that is called “strategy”
If I were the unfortunate sod on Ulong, I'd go 'OK, Democracy SOUNDS good on paper but let's look at this. We aren't forming a government, we aren't with a beuracracy that spares all with it's inefficiency, we're a buncha backwoods 'natives' lacking good shelter. Lay out talents now and let's figure out who's who, HELL have people vote for a leader if you want democracy so badly. Because we either shape up or ship out.' Then get immediately voted off by these uncooperative jackasses.
@@pokemonmanic3595 But South Pacific was a rare special case where both tribes were actually evenly matched, so the premerge didn't need a swap to keep things interesting.
@@anrick1362 I actually thought it was kinda impressive to see how Coach Sophie and Albert maintained control of the entire game from start to finish, even when they were called out very early on for running everything. Coach, while entertaining was kinda a bumbling fool his first two outtings. In South Pacific, we actually saw him evolve into a competent player, so I honestly didn't have a problem with it.
Props to Jeff for sacrificing himself after realizing he wouldn’t be able to help out his team. I respect that he let himself get voted out to save Ulong...it’s just unfortunate he had to watch the downward spiral after he left.
It's BS workplace PC politicking, where merely asking if someone wants help is offensive because the listener is too fragile to accept a genuine offer of help as some kind of monstrous evil of declaring the other person too weak. AKA: The first sign of Woke victim culture REALLY getting a hold in people.
They needed a leader tho I don't understand how you can get through life without someone being above you like a boss or your parents being told what to do you should just do it to the best of your abilities and if the leader is bad then pick a new leader imo
@@Man.from.the.90sgeneration if your a boss and have bad leadership skills who would follow you also if your a leader you tell people what to do and if your a boss you still tell people what to do?
This was probably the 6th(?) Season I watched with my significant other, and I was so happy I gave her context for how a normal season goes. Every episode she asked when they would shake the tribes up, when something would happen, when the massacre would end. Never. It never ended. Koror mercilessly beat Ulong, tore it limb from limb, and finally devoured its beating heart without suffering so much as a scratch.
Heck, they dominated *so* badly that the season winner Tom never once received a vote against him until the literal final descision. Take 2 guesses as to which tribe he came from
@@SpectroliteDS2400 tbf, that's partly because in quite a few votes he had immunity, so it was literally impossible for anyone to cast a vote against him.
At the reward challenge in the 2nd epsiode i thought ,Oh Ulong probobaly will just come to be a decent tribe when it comes to challeges probobaly winning a couple of immunities and rewards against Koror!'' I was so damn wrong
I like how instead of addressing the issue on hand, they'd rather blame the enemh team for using "strategy" against them. They only managed to kind of shape up once the problem has compounded to a terrible degree and they were literally bleeding out members left and right.
I know it's a lesser talked about thing, but I'm surprised that the "winning tribe gets to vote for somebody on the losing tribe to win Individual Immunity" twist didn't really come back up again after Palau. I think it's something that had a lot of potential.
It's a great idea, but I think they felt it was like beating a dead horse, and with how bad Ulong got destroyed, probably left a bad taste with the production team.
They did have a variation of it in Cook Islands when Aitu was allowed to kidnap Nate from Raro before the vote, thus saving him from elimination. Personally, I hated the twist, cause it unfairly screwed over Angie by taking away the obvious boot in Ibrahim, and giving Ulong no time to course correct or strategize past it.
@@chefz2749 It was sort of different in Guatemala as it was the person getting to choose somebody to be Immune, and it worked sort of like the current Idol does.
There was such grim foreshadowing of how bad Ulong would do. Jolanda was the one who reached the women's immunity necklace first and then became the first person voted out. Steph was the last woman to reach the beach and then became the last female Ulong standing, then the last Ulong standing overall. Bobby Jon was the one who picked Steph for the tribe, and then it got down to just them and Ibreheim during the sandbag challenge. I mean, talk about freaky.
You don't need "a" leader for Democracy. The Greek city states would have direct votes from all citizens for government decisions. In fact, a pure (direct) democracy has no leader. A representative democracy does have (a) leader(s). However, if your members are stupid and lazy, direct democracy will not work well in most cases.
Imagine thinking that strategy is bad and only strength is needed for the challenges ahead and no leader figures are needed. It's like watching some form of ancient history
the host just like, has no care at all anymore. and when the other team keeps winning, he is just bored out of his mind. and was straight up lecturing the other team like they're a bunch of kids.
I feel bad for Ulong. They were physically decent and should’ve been stronger. But when you have Tom AND Ian on your team, it’s hard to lose. Sadly, this led to the great tragedy of ‘05. RIP Ulong.
Koror got to the point that they had the upper hand to Ulong due to being able to rest over half their members while Stephanie and Bobby jon were doing the heavy lifting at every challenge
Koror was stacked, Tom and Ian were just on another level competitively. Gregg was an extremely strong and well-rounded competitor as was Coby (though he’s underrated). Bobby Jon was the strongest male of Ulong but I’d wager he’d be on the lower half of Koror, only above Willard.
@@KumaoftheForest literally none as I don’t watch the show but the fact that there is a dedicated fandom for a very niche show makes me happy in a way lmao
Ahh, Palau.....from episode to episode I was hoping Ulong would recover. But then we wouldn't have Stephanie and Booby Jone sitting around the kamp.....him spitting...her being all disgusted.....
There is a reason why democracy is the hardest form of government to implement. Every member of the community has to be aware of the responsibilities that come with having a voice in the decision making process or...well, something like Ulong happens. Where everyone looks out only for themselves and their immediate benefit at the cost of everybody else.
The younger Ulong on paper should have dominated the older Koror tribe in the challenges but the tragedy of Ulong really shows the importance of tribal unity and especially the importance of a strong leader (Tom)
That match with the points was men VS men and women VS women. Unless the next immunity challenge is the exact same format (highly unlikely) then an average woman will perform worse than an average man since they all tend to have an element of physicality or coordination to them. The voting out is planning for the future, not for the challenge they just did. Also, that simply means that the men on Koror are stronger than the men on Ulong - it has no bearing on if the optimal choice is to vote out an Ulong male or female.
The last chance they had to turn it around was the vote where Ib got immunity. They should have voted out James (sparing Angie) seeing as he was the cause of their loss in multiple challenges.
@UCSFCSaxL2ihCPhn5y4t_rDQ that’s what I always thought watching. I was so angry seeing James slick past every single vote bc he was at one point the only person not pulling his weight and he had lost them 3 challenges in a row. But Angie was very strong and I agree, she was definitely putting every other woman to shame with Stephanie.
I love that sarcastic "wow" he gives right before he's finally voted off when Jeff rightfully points out the loss was largely his fault because he was being lazy. Like it wasn't a wow like "oh I never thought of it like that, thank you" it sounded more like "oh real classy Jeff, blaming the guy that was at fault"
Palau was the very first season I watched - and I was a hard core Ulong fan with my 10 year old logic just being that I liked the colour blue more. So when I watched Guatemala I was like - the other tribe can win immunity???
Fang makes Ulong look like a minor car accident by comparison. Fang is a red hot mess of a tribe, and even when they get power at the merge, Bob from Kota gets the victory in the end!
Possibly one of the best storytelling seasons in the history of the show. Also, Props to Koror for being such a force. Obviously, Tom and Ian were the stars, but its important to note that the whole team was unified. If you looked at it on paper, it would have seemed competitive, but Koror believed in themselves while Ulong bickered amongst themselves. From start to finish, Survivor: Palau is my favorite season.
I can give Stephenie credit. She actually made a fire in the final Ulong Tribal Council. I remember a tribe that was deadlocked in voting so they had the two survivors do the fire challenge. After an hour, Jeff goes 'Stop. We'll use matches' A bit later... 'I'm out of matches'.
It's been so long since I watched this show, and all the seasons kind of blur together, and I wasn't sure if I even SAW this season, but then JEFF HURT HIS ANKLE ON THE FREAKIN' COCONUT and all the repressed memories came flooding back.
In my opinion, I felt that Jolanda would've done better in a recent season simply because people are willing to make "big movez" right out of the gate, this would overshadow her bossy attitude and maybe people would get to see her as more valuable down the road due to her trying to lead the team as Ulong slowly but surely imploded without any clear leadership.
For some reason the algorithm tossed this video at me three days ago and I've been hooked on your channel and Survivor insights ever since. Great work!
Angie was my fav. Were it not for the twist that let Koror give Ibrahim immunity, she would have made it to the final 3 of Ulong, at least. RIP Survivor's OG Badass Nerdy Girl. You will be missed.
@@auguststrain3462 I loved Angie because she clearly was on the end of the spectrum you’d expect not to win, and then murdered challenges. Steph was also my fav, these two were robbed of an iconic duo season. It’s a shame they had to keep Ibraham because I believe steph and Angie could’ve gone the distance in this season.
This is also basically what happened to Team Victory in Total Drama World Tour. They lose every single challenge and only survived reward challenges. This is a good video. You have earned my sub.
Stephanie seemed like the best member of Ulong from what I remember of this season. I wonder if the tribe had let her be leader if things might have gone differently. It’s been years though since I watched this season so maybe there’s something I’m not remembering
I'm guessing there was some kind of swap planned at some point, but they said "hey wait wait let's just see what happens here". And I'm glad they did because it makes Palau as a season so much more unique.
One of the bizarre things to me was looking into this tribe, because I'd never seen the season, and finding out that Angie died of a rare form of cancer earlier this year.
Now I understand why in Survivor Heroes vs Villians when James said Stephanie kinda bring bad luck to whichever team she's in, ironically after vote her out the Heroes tribe start winning and equal the member number with the Villians
Best part about Ulongs last reward challenge was the food portion was literally just Pringles. No meat, no fruit, no western comfort foods, just Pringles.
I may be a typical teen who gets annoyed at being bossed around but stories like this remind me why it’s important to have a leader in certain situations.
As the saying goes “play stupid games, win stupid prizes” they thought pure strength would carry them but they had no direction, no leadership and whenever someone tried they’d be removed. So naturally they would fall
Here's the irony at the school yard pick: -Jolanda and Ian were the first 2 to the beach and won immunity. Jolanda was the first eliminated while Ian was the last eliminated. -Tom and Katie was the first 2 picked for Koror while Stephanie and Bobby Jon was the first 2 picked for Ulong. Stephanie and Bobby Jon were the last 2 Ulong members and Tom and Katie were the last 2 koror members (aka final 2) - Angie and Willard were the last person picked for their tribe, they were both eliminated in the double elimination twist
i feel so bad for her in the fact that her team was just so BAD and just couldent think like humans it was like watching animals fight for a food instead of working together
Honestly, I was mentally rooting for Stephanie all through this video so the fact she then ISN'T the first one voted out post merge... I'll take that victory.
Palau is such an iconic season. Like the show planned to do a merge, with an army green buff, but I feel like production kept watching how things were going and decided to let it all happen. Probst was so done with Ulong after the box challenge lol. Cuz now they do so many tribe swaps or early merges to prevent full Ulonging.
I think Fang is interesting becasue despite losing pretty much everything they still manage to somehow take control of the game after the merge. They accidentally put themselves in a dominant position by losing so much post-swap
i think one of the issues ulong had was everytime they lost they didn't actually...self reflect. "hey why are we losing?". nope. instead they just blamed the other tribe or said "oh jeff gave them that reward because they'd never won a reward". huge lack of self-awareness :/
I remember watching this season and being so mad that they sent both tribes to tribal one week. Was hoping to see a tribe getting clean swept out of the game.
Kept expecting to see Eric & Natalie pop up in Ulong’s cave. Btw the last time I checked the Ulong buff was $400. The most expensive Survivor buff on the market (2019)
Fantastic video--by far my favourite season and Palau hooked me on survivor ever since. Underrated and overlooked far too many times in montages and one of the best all around winners in history.
A country can be a democracy and a republic. A republic means there is no Royal family or ruling church. A democracy means a rule by the people. The UK is a democracy but not a republic. China is a republic but not a democracy. The US is both and North Korea, despite the name, is neither.
The biggest barbarians and most violent regimes in history were only successful because they had better strategy than their opponents. The entire Mongol Empire, one of the most brutal to exist was built on strategy and skill, not rage and aggression.
Man it's been so long since I even thought about Survivor. I do remember this season though. Talk about embarrassing. Survivor used to be one of our family traditions and I remember all three of us watching this season constantly shaking our heads at the constant selfishness and bickering tearing that tribe apart from the word go.
My memory of Survivor is a bit fuzzy and I wondered if I would remember this tribe but once I saw the legend Bobby Jon I knew exactly what tribe this was and how this story ended
Part of survival is having someone take a leadership position in order to keep things running smoothly. The fact that they were too stuck up in their own self-importance goes to show that even though you have a 6 pack it doesn’t make your survival guaranteed.
@@VampireNewl exactly. They have too much of a belief that their decisions are best and no one knows better than them, however, they don’t think that they should have to lead because they don’t want the responsibility of it or in their mind they don’t think they are good enough
I never watched this Season; haven't seen the show in a long time. But less than 10 minutes into the video and it becomes pretty clear that Ulong is, well...pretty stupid.
Take a look at the Sook Jai and Chuay Gahn for another example of good versus bad tribal decisions. Also, when the time came to protect an opposing tribe member, the Koror were one of the few that actually got it right.
I only watched a few seasons of Survivor beginning to end. This was one of them. Ulong’s brutal decline is the single strongest memory I have of this show.
The nice thing about this season is that Ulong demonstrates they have the capability to win, so it never gets too boring. They keep finding new and creative ways to lose. With Ravu, on the other hand, it was clear they would probably lose everything.
Just like the 2017 Cleveland Browns
But they had no leader and none of them liked being told what to do they where a mess even if they had the ability to win they didn't have the capability to work and listen to each other
Brains beats brawn
@@NickolasRAnderson
Depends on the contest.
In Cagayan it would seem the inverse is true.
when they complain about the other team using strategy, calling them weak for thinking their moves through, it really shows that they won't be winning much anytime soon.
Reminds me of 12 year olds saying He Is GoOd He MuSt Be HaCkInG
whats funny is that they reference the united states of america when they choose to use a democracy but in the original revolutionary war, the only way the colonists won was through strategy.
@@hunterpatrick4842 90% of Burcol's channel.
@@tinodethuong And they voted on a leader.
It's like they hate winning.
I love how Steph said she almost dislocated her shoulder, and then ten seasons later she actually does. Painful Foreshadowing
It all comes full circle!
"Break her shoulder!" said Courtney.
Oof
I dont think anything tops when James was rooting for her to get voted out cause he was scared of her being the only one last again
One time I almost stubbed my toe but missed, theN years later I ACTUALLY STUBBED MY TOE GODS PLAN OMG IT WAS FORETOLD
the real annoying thing is they had so many chances to pull back, time and time again a member shows a sense of leadership and responsibility, but minor pet peeves every single time cause them to chase them off, like "oh he's too fatherly" c'mon!
too fatherly is a problem? man this group seems like they need a father figure XD
daddy issues
“Oh, do you need help with that nail? So annoying!”
Me: you mean being a nice person?
James didn’t immediately get voted off though.
@@wannabehistorian371 It was close enough to immediately that it still mostly counts
Not gonna lie, Jeff getting sent home for his ankle is a smarter decision than I thought Oolong was capable of
The fact is wasn't everyone voting for that was concerning to say the least
"Can we vote on if we should eat him instead?"
Jeff is a personal trainer, and this is a previous injury. He knows that his body wasn't working properly and managed to convince enough of them to vote him off.
They didn't vote him off because of his injury, but because he told them what to do
@@anoninunen scary how he had to tell them to
I’ve never watched a single episode of survivor. Let’s watch a 20 minute video essay on it.
Never watched a second episode of Survivor and I never will, but I will happily watch a well crafted twenty minute chronicle of a tale of incredible arrogance and all around Karen’s get their asses handed to them as if Karma itself was in the editing room
hey that's how i found this channel lo
Glad I'm not the only one
same
It has its highs and it's lows, but in the end it's still a reality tv show so it isn't always great.
"Every single episode was nothing but dismay" that is literally in the series of unfortunate events theme song
The books and show really inspired this video :)
Look away look away
This show will wreck your evening, your morning and your day everysingle episode is nothing but dismay so look awaay
@@OnceUponAnIsland I can see how much it's inspired by it!
The Baudelaires would’ve been a better tribe
@@lukaslukas8083 this comment wins 😄✨
That professionally made shelter is still the best tribal reward I've ever seen.
Yeah but ur Gay
@@ColonelMetus epic
Peanut butter and jelly sandwiches and a glass of milk are better to me. But I personally earned my Emergency Survival merit badge with flying colors with one of the requirements being make a shelter from scratch. So I can make a really good shelter myself.
@@GiantProcrastiNation Coach wade burner account
@@TrueGuardifyhaha i didnt know that Coach had a youtube. 😂
Them getting rid of Jolanda was their first & biggest mistake to me. They were a group of misfits that needed leadership badly but they were too stubborn to listen.
But they’re a democracy! That means no leaders! Just like America
@@Kaanfight 🤣🤣🤣
I laughed so hard when he said that. Sir, what America have you been living in this whole time.
And even if America was a "we dun need no darn leaders we a democracy" kinda nation, that approach just doesn't work in a small tribal group setting...
@@MrMarttivainaa It can work in small group setting, but is usually not efficient; and for it to work, requires everyone in the group to be proactive, competent, and not lazy in the slightest.
@@oddvoid In theory I guess, but I wonder if that sort of thing been recorded in practice?
I don’t feel bad for Ulong they were very arrogant and couldn’t handle the thought of authority which led to them all being lazy and failing miserably
Yeah its pretty easy to notice what went wrong. There was no leaders at all in Ulong
I only feel bad for Jeff, he made most of the work on the early challenges and got injured
@@silverino1527 plot twist: he hurt himself on purpose to leave
@@wizardmagic1580 YES
Bobby Jon and Jeff were the only two who weren’t lazy but I completely agree with the authority part
Koror won the water challenge because they took advantage of the water level going around the track. They blazed through the shallows while taking it slow in the deeper end whereas Ulong just powered through the whole way. In the end, Koror had the stamina to catch Ulong.
That's called 'strategy'! :D
@@0daadaadaa0 W E A K N E S S
It also didn't hurt that they had a leader who was very familiar with holding a lot of weight (equipment) in a hot area (like a burning building) while being restricted by circumstance (like wearing fire protection.)
@@ellaser93 Maybe he had some hot tips for his teammates. Oh no! What's that in the distance? Is that....s T rA tEGY
@@ellaser93 damn so what you’re saying is they had someone who had experience, and shared what they learned with the others. I believe that is called “strategy”
James "we're gonna do democracy" ha ha ha ha ha what a dumpster fire. Imagine "using strategy in challenges".
Democracy without an elected leader is just anarchy. Except in anarchistic societies people actually work for the greater good.
@@sued_ Yup! Unfortunately for them, these guys weren't a proper democracy or anarchy. Their social structure more resembled a bucket of crabs.
If I were the unfortunate sod on Ulong, I'd go 'OK, Democracy SOUNDS good on paper but let's look at this. We aren't forming a government, we aren't with a beuracracy that spares all with it's inefficiency, we're a buncha backwoods 'natives' lacking good shelter. Lay out talents now and let's figure out who's who, HELL have people vote for a leader if you want democracy so badly. Because we either shape up or ship out.'
Then get immediately voted off by these uncooperative jackasses.
@@sued_ anarchy without a soviet
@@boxtank5288 the fact that James was legit one of the top 4 remaining players on the team is exactly why they lost.
"We're stronger" proceeds to fail the physical section of the challenge
I think Ulong is why they keep doing tribe switches every season; and it’s ironic it didn’t happen in a season that very much needed one
I think they also do tribe swaps to try to prevent Pagongings after the merge.
@@bigbuffguy9589 that too, wouldn’t want a repeat of South Pacific
@@pokemonmanic3595 But South Pacific was a rare special case where both tribes were actually evenly matched, so the premerge didn't need a swap to keep things interesting.
@@roger_towny_jr the problem with South Pacific wasn’t about one tribe winning every immunity, it was the pagonging after the merge.
@@anrick1362 I actually thought it was kinda impressive to see how Coach Sophie and Albert maintained control of the entire game from start to finish, even when they were called out very early on for running everything.
Coach, while entertaining was kinda a bumbling fool his first two outtings. In South Pacific, we actually saw him evolve into a competent player, so I honestly didn't have a problem with it.
Props to Jeff for sacrificing himself after realizing he wouldn’t be able to help out his team. I respect that he let himself get voted out to save Ulong...it’s just unfortunate he had to watch the downward spiral after he left.
I like how James asking if someone needs help actively annoys his tribesmates. Good lord.
These people have major issues lol. It's such a red flag
It's reality TV 101.
Step #1. Be annoyed
Step #2. Talk to the camera
Step #3. Repeat
It's BS workplace PC politicking, where merely asking if someone wants help is offensive because the listener is too fragile to accept a genuine offer of help as some kind of monstrous evil of declaring the other person too weak.
AKA: The first sign of Woke victim culture REALLY getting a hold in people.
@@hariman7727 yeah hit the nail on the head
@@jzjzjzj "Do you need help with that nail?"
Jolanda: “my whole tribe fell apart after I left”
its true though
She was a mess
They needed a leader tho I don't understand how you can get through life without someone being above you like a boss or your parents being told what to do you should just do it to the best of your abilities and if the leader is bad then pick a new leader imo
@@shallter455 Leadership has nothing to with being a boss. Do homework!
@@Man.from.the.90sgeneration if your a boss and have bad leadership skills who would follow you also if your a leader you tell people what to do and if your a boss you still tell people what to do?
This was probably the 6th(?) Season I watched with my significant other, and I was so happy I gave her context for how a normal season goes. Every episode she asked when they would shake the tribes up, when something would happen, when the massacre would end.
Never. It never ended. Koror mercilessly beat Ulong, tore it limb from limb, and finally devoured its beating heart without suffering so much as a scratch.
This comment is poetry
Heck, they dominated *so* badly that the season winner Tom never once received a vote against him until the literal final descision. Take 2 guesses as to which tribe he came from
@@SpectroliteDS2400 tbf, that's partly because in quite a few votes he had immunity, so it was literally impossible for anyone to cast a vote against him.
At the reward challenge in the 2nd epsiode i thought
,Oh Ulong probobaly will just come to be a decent tribe when it comes to challeges probobaly winning a couple of immunities and rewards against Koror!''
I was so damn wrong
I like how instead of addressing the issue on hand, they'd rather blame the enemh team for using "strategy" against them. They only managed to kind of shape up once the problem has compounded to a terrible degree and they were literally bleeding out members left and right.
When they're down to 4 members.
Stephanie: Okay maybe we shouldn't have listened to James...
It was like watching cavemen edging evolution, they don't get a grip until the post darwinian lucidity.
I think voting Jolanda out first sealed this tribe's fate. That, and Koror had Tom, and there was no way Tom Westman would've lost to anyone
Yup
He’s a damn dark souls boss. Tom Westman, Man of the West.
@@kaladinstormblessed8790 Tom the silver fox
Jeff injury was their bigger loss
Jolanda was easily their worst member 😂
I know it's a lesser talked about thing, but I'm surprised that the "winning tribe gets to vote for somebody on the losing tribe to win Individual Immunity" twist didn't really come back up again after Palau. I think it's something that had a lot of potential.
It's a great idea, but I think they felt it was like beating a dead horse, and with how bad Ulong got destroyed, probably left a bad taste with the production team.
They did have a variation of it in Cook Islands when Aitu was allowed to kidnap Nate from Raro before the vote, thus saving him from elimination.
Personally, I hated the twist, cause it unfairly screwed over Angie by taking away the obvious boot in Ibrahim, and giving Ulong no time to course correct or strategize past it.
Sounds like an Apple of Discord...
XD
They did it again in Guatemala but the “both tribes go to Tribal” seems pretty rare these days.
@@chefz2749 It was sort of different in Guatemala as it was the person getting to choose somebody to be Immune, and it worked sort of like the current Idol does.
There was such grim foreshadowing of how bad Ulong would do. Jolanda was the one who reached the women's immunity necklace first and then became the first person voted out. Steph was the last woman to reach the beach and then became the last female Ulong standing, then the last Ulong standing overall. Bobby Jon was the one who picked Steph for the tribe, and then it got down to just them and Ibreheim during the sandbag challenge. I mean, talk about freaky.
it's interesting that for the sandbag challenge the order that the Ulong members dropped out was the same as which order they were voted out
Jolanda and Jeff best ulong
@@magicwindow6682 oh damn I didn't even realize that
"we're gonna do democracy" establishes a failed anarchist tribe like a boss
"we don't need no leader, we american"
Guess he forgot the part where the US has a president.
@@thorveim1174 I mean, we did try to kill Washington the second he suggested taxes and an army
@@thorveim1174 now imagine America is a tribe and they vote out George Washington
yeah great idea of democracy lol i mean come on
"We're gonna do a democracy!" "You guys need to vote on a leader" "ehhhhh lets do it later"
i feel like they don't understand how democracy works. Everyone doing what they want is anarchy not democracy. Democracy still requires a leader
And even in anarchy you still have some community structures.
Its anarchy without a soviet
Not anarchism. Anarchism is independence, not chaos, you can’t be lazy under anarchy, those fuckers just thought everyone else would do everything.
You don't need "a" leader for Democracy. The Greek city states would have direct votes from all citizens for government decisions. In fact, a pure (direct) democracy has no leader. A representative democracy does have (a) leader(s). However, if your members are stupid and lazy, direct democracy will not work well in most cases.
@@Minecraftian2345432 isn’t direct democracy just anarchism
Imagine thinking that strategy is bad and only strength is needed for the challenges ahead and no leader figures are needed. It's like watching some form of ancient history
What no... not at all...
Once i heard "They don't like being told what to do" i knew how this would end.
the host just like, has no care at all anymore. and when the other team keeps winning, he is just bored out of his mind. and was straight up lecturing the other team like they're a bunch of kids.
...they pretty much were
the host is jeff, and he does that every season to the players who need the lecturing cuz they lack a functioning brain
Jeff be cool like that
did you expect him to lecture the other team? lol that isn’t rly fair for the team that’s winning
His name is Jeff Probst
2:37 "There are crates containing food, water, and fire"
Me, who momentarily forgot about fire starting tools: How can a crate hold fire?
Congratulations! You have been accepted into Ulong Tribe!
I feel bad for Ulong. They were physically decent and should’ve been stronger. But when you have Tom AND Ian on your team, it’s hard to lose. Sadly, this led to the great tragedy of ‘05. RIP Ulong.
Koror got to the point that they had the upper hand to Ulong due to being able to rest over half their members while Stephanie and Bobby jon were doing the heavy lifting at every challenge
Koror was stacked, Tom and Ian were just on another level competitively. Gregg was an extremely strong and well-rounded competitor as was Coby (though he’s underrated). Bobby Jon was the strongest male of Ulong but I’d wager he’d be on the lower half of Koror, only above Willard.
Oolong: they weakling so they have to use strategy
Everyone: strength isn't just physical ability
Ulong*
It is Ulong.
Also Ulong failed the physical challenges too so . . . which tribe is the weak one again?
The fact that there’s a dedicated survivor community is making me happy
Me too
What’s your favorite season?
@@KumaoftheForest literally none as I don’t watch the show but the fact that there is a dedicated fandom for a very niche show makes me happy in a way lmao
Ahh, Palau.....from episode to episode I was hoping Ulong would recover. But then we wouldn't have Stephanie and Booby Jone sitting around the kamp.....him spitting...her being all disgusted.....
SNOT ROCKETS!
@@OnceUponAnIsland OMG, yes! ....in my defence I havent watch the season in a long time, so i forgat exact expression. :D
True
There is a reason why democracy is the hardest form of government to implement. Every member of the community has to be aware of the responsibilities that come with having a voice in the decision making process or...well, something like Ulong happens. Where everyone looks out only for themselves and their immediate benefit at the cost of everybody else.
This is survivor not politics get out with that.
@@bomberdawesome No no, they've got a point.
@@Ze_N00B OK but this isn't the video for politics.
@@bomberdawesome They were just making an observation on the video that applies to real life, how is that a problem?
@@bomberdawesome politics is fundamentally related to the reason ulong crumbled, so I’d argue this is as good a video as any to discuss politics on.
15:40, Oh PLEASE tell me Koror managed to beat that by simply cutting the rope and disregarding the knot. That would be so poetic.
Knowing Koror? They undid the knot, retied it, and cut the rope.
Alexander the Great moment
@@Da_maulmy first thought was "have they not heard of the Gordian knot?"
The tribe is called Ulong not Oolong. That is all.
Best pig
Im going to call it ()○O0o°long just because i can make this many o's in the declining order of big to small
They should have been called So long if you ask me. LOL😆😆😆😆😆😆
Either way there still not my cup of tea. LOL😆😆😆😆😆
I do miss old Survivor where the reward and immunity challenges were separate and we actually got to see both of them..
The younger Ulong on paper should have dominated the older Koror tribe in the challenges but the tragedy of Ulong really shows the importance of tribal unity and especially the importance of a strong leader (Tom)
Tell me you're going to lose without telling me you're going to lose.
"We don't need a leader."
Jeff: “Almost all of their points came from beating the men.”
The tribe: *votes out a woman*
Wtf?
In fairness, Kim was pretty useless.
Based
@@Old_Guard2 "Gamers only, sorry Kim"
@@Old_Guard2 no bitches ?
That match with the points was men VS men and women VS women. Unless the next immunity challenge is the exact same format (highly unlikely) then an average woman will perform worse than an average man since they all tend to have an element of physicality or coordination to them. The voting out is planning for the future, not for the challenge they just did.
Also, that simply means that the men on Koror are stronger than the men on Ulong - it has no bearing on if the optimal choice is to vote out an Ulong male or female.
The last chance they had to turn it around was the vote where Ib got immunity. They should have voted out James (sparing Angie) seeing as he was the cause of their loss in multiple challenges.
@UCSFCSaxL2ihCPhn5y4t_rDQ that’s what I always thought watching. I was so angry seeing James slick past every single vote bc he was at one point the only person not pulling his weight and he had lost them 3 challenges in a row. But Angie was very strong and I agree, she was definitely putting every other woman to shame with Stephanie.
I love that sarcastic "wow" he gives right before he's finally voted off when Jeff rightfully points out the loss was largely his fault because he was being lazy. Like it wasn't a wow like "oh I never thought of it like that, thank you" it sounded more like "oh real classy Jeff, blaming the guy that was at fault"
Palau was the very first season I watched - and I was a hard core Ulong fan with my 10 year old logic just being that I liked the colour blue more. So when I watched Guatemala I was like - the other tribe can win immunity???
Surprised you remained a Ulong fan that far through.
Fang makes Ulong look like a minor car accident by comparison. Fang is a red hot mess of a tribe, and even when they get power at the merge, Bob from Kota gets the victory in the end!
Possibly one of the best storytelling seasons in the history of the show. Also, Props to Koror for being such a force. Obviously, Tom and Ian were the stars, but its important to note that the whole team was unified. If you looked at it on paper, it would have seemed competitive, but Koror believed in themselves while Ulong bickered amongst themselves. From start to finish, Survivor: Palau is my favorite season.
Ya, but some of Kuror were lazy chicks just laying around and staying out of challenges and labor. It's disgusting they stayed as long as they did
I can give Stephenie credit. She actually made a fire in the final Ulong Tribal Council. I remember a tribe that was deadlocked in voting so they had the two survivors do the fire challenge. After an hour, Jeff goes 'Stop. We'll use matches' A bit later... 'I'm out of matches'.
It's been so long since I watched this show, and all the seasons kind of blur together, and I wasn't sure if I even SAW this season, but then JEFF HURT HIS ANKLE ON THE FREAKIN' COCONUT and all the repressed memories came flooding back.
In my opinion, I felt that Jolanda would've done better in a recent season simply because people are willing to make "big movez" right out of the gate, this would overshadow her bossy attitude and maybe people would get to see her as more valuable down the road due to her trying to lead the team as Ulong slowly but surely imploded without any clear leadership.
Alternate Title: the Ulong Tribe: A Legacy of Failure
Another Utree fan out in the wild, cool.
For some reason the algorithm tossed this video at me three days ago and I've been hooked on your channel and Survivor insights ever since. Great work!
Thanks Shai!
Angie was my fav. Were it not for the twist that let Koror give Ibrahim immunity, she would have made it to the final 3 of Ulong, at least.
RIP Survivor's OG Badass Nerdy Girl. You will be missed.
It’s a shame that her and James were cut off early because they were my favorites of this season
@@auguststrain3462 I loved Angie because she clearly was on the end of the spectrum you’d expect not to win, and then murdered challenges. Steph was also my fav, these two were robbed of an iconic duo season. It’s a shame they had to keep Ibraham because I believe steph and Angie could’ve gone the distance in this season.
Angie could return
she died
Ask any survival expert and they will tell you that brains beats brawn 100% of the time in a survival situation.
Unless it's Survivor Cagayan, of course
😅
Ulong: "So this person is very good at everything we have done so far. Lets throw 'em out.
I was fully expecting Jeff to eventually start executing the people who were voted off of Ulong
Here’s the thing, if they just have gotten rid of James sooner, they might have done a bit better
This is also basically what happened to Team Victory in Total Drama World Tour. They lose every single challenge and only survived reward challenges.
This is a good video. You have earned my sub.
I think that's the joke they were going for with that.
Stephanie seemed like the best member of Ulong from what I remember of this season. I wonder if the tribe had let her be leader if things might have gone differently. It’s been years though since I watched this season so maybe there’s something I’m not remembering
I did a full, in depth video all about her game. Just posted it last week. Check it out :)
I think the bigger question is did production plan a tribe swap for Palau? I'm guessing they didn't😅...
I'm guessing there was some kind of swap planned at some point, but they said "hey wait wait let's just see what happens here". And I'm glad they did because it makes Palau as a season so much more unique.
actually it was planned to never have a tribe swap and never have a merge but they had to once steph was the last person
@@alchemyrox That wasn't a merge, just the last person of the defeated tribe joining.
One of the bizarre things to me was looking into this tribe, because I'd never seen the season, and finding out that Angie died of a rare form of cancer earlier this year.
"We're a democracy"
"I need you to elect a representative"
"Nah, lemme fish"
Koror won so hard, that this season was basically just a fun summer camp for them lmao.
Now I understand why in Survivor Heroes vs Villians when James said Stephanie kinda bring bad luck to whichever team she's in, ironically after vote her out the Heroes tribe start winning and equal the member number with the Villians
Actually if you look at the challenges the trend of the heroes winning came after James was voted out.
Best part about Ulongs last reward challenge was the food portion was literally just Pringles. No meat, no fruit, no western comfort foods, just Pringles.
I may be a typical teen who gets annoyed at being bossed around but stories like this remind me why it’s important to have a leader in certain situations.
I agree being stuborn doesn't get you awards
As the saying goes “play stupid games, win stupid prizes” they thought pure strength would carry them but they had no direction, no leadership and whenever someone tried they’d be removed. So naturally they would fall
Here's the irony at the school yard pick:
-Jolanda and Ian were the first 2 to the beach and won immunity. Jolanda was the first eliminated while Ian was the last eliminated.
-Tom and Katie was the first 2 picked for Koror while Stephanie and Bobby Jon was the first 2 picked for Ulong. Stephanie and Bobby Jon were the last 2 Ulong members and Tom and Katie were the last 2 koror members (aka final 2)
- Angie and Willard were the last person picked for their tribe, they were both eliminated in the double elimination twist
Plus the order they sat out in the water race challenger was the order they got eliminated
It's a powerful story for Steph. She was the voice of reason most of the time.
i feel so bad for her in the fact that her team was just so BAD and just couldent think like humans it was like watching animals fight for a food instead of working together
10:34 "We're not going back to immunity"
well she got that right
Honestly, I was mentally rooting for Stephanie all through this video so the fact she then ISN'T the first one voted out post merge... I'll take that victory.
Palau is such an iconic season. Like the show planned to do a merge, with an army green buff, but I feel like production kept watching how things were going and decided to let it all happen. Probst was so done with Ulong after the box challenge lol. Cuz now they do so many tribe swaps or early merges to prevent full Ulonging.
I’m sure they would have merged if Koror lost one challenge for immunity
I definitely think Ulong was one of the worst tribes, but I also think Matsing and Fang were very rocky tribes as well.
Brain tribe has to be my favorite worst tribe. They managed to lose in the most dramatic and painful fashion every time
I wouldn't say Ulong was the worst tribe in existence (Matsing, Fang, Ravu, and Manono were easily worse), but they are certainly the most tragic.
@@roger_towny_jr Yeah, it was less that they were terrible or total choke-artists, more that they couldn't catch a break
I think Fang is interesting becasue despite losing pretty much everything they still manage to somehow take control of the game after the merge. They accidentally put themselves in a dominant position by losing so much post-swap
@@kaiklax4025 and they STILL LOST the game to a 57 year old school teacher, and an emotionally unstable pinup model.
i think one of the issues ulong had was everytime they lost they didn't actually...self reflect. "hey why are we losing?". nope. instead they just blamed the other tribe or said "oh jeff gave them that reward because they'd never won a reward". huge lack of self-awareness :/
I remember watching this season and being so mad that they sent both tribes to tribal one week. Was hoping to see a tribe getting clean swept out of the game.
Ulong is what Gordon Ramsay refers to as running around like a bunch of headless chickens lol
The way Jeff read Ibrehim and James at the TC where James gets booted had me weak 🤣🤣 not “leisure stroll” and “playing with your skirt”
They had a machine gun challenge OMG , way better then the challenges the constantly redo year after year.
Gotta love the classic “stand here and do nothing longer than everyone else” challenge that appears every episode. Great television
Kept expecting to see Eric & Natalie pop up in Ulong’s cave.
Btw the last time I checked the Ulong buff was $400. The most expensive Survivor buff on the market (2019)
Imagine seeing Natalie trick Erik in the background of Ulong's disaster.
Fantastic video--by far my favourite season and Palau hooked me on survivor ever since. Underrated and overlooked far too many times in montages and one of the best all around winners in history.
"we're americans an we're gonna do democracy" he knows the US is a republic.... right?
Technically it is a representative democracy. But I get what you are saying.
I love democracy
i love the republic
I think Francesco Lombardi is a Sith Lord.
@@francescolombardi3438 I see your a man of art as well
A country can be a democracy and a republic. A republic means there is no Royal family or ruling church. A democracy means a rule by the people. The UK is a democracy but not a republic. China is a republic but not a democracy. The US is both and North Korea, despite the name, is neither.
I haven't watched Survivor in over 15 years but I am super into these videos.
I highly recommend season 37. You will instantly be rehooked into the show.
@@OnceUponAnIsland Dude you're a psychic, Im a huge wrestling nerd and John Hennigan pops up. So I guess I have Paramount+ now, thanks for the tip!
@@ThanksForTheCandy It is my favorite tied with 18. Those two will hook anyone on to the show.
@@OnceUponAnIsland Episode 9 blew my mind.
@@OnceUponAnIsland where can i watch it? You peaked my interest
“They use strategy”
“BECAUSE THEY’RE WEAK”
… that’s like the definition of Neanderthal
The biggest barbarians and most violent regimes in history were only successful because they had better strategy than their opponents. The entire Mongol Empire, one of the most brutal to exist was built on strategy and skill, not rage and aggression.
Man it's been so long since I even thought about Survivor. I do remember this season though. Talk about embarrassing. Survivor used to be one of our family traditions and I remember all three of us watching this season constantly shaking our heads at the constant selfishness and bickering tearing that tribe apart from the word go.
James is such an underrated character I wish he would return
My memory of Survivor is a bit fuzzy and I wondered if I would remember this tribe but once I saw the legend Bobby Jon I knew exactly what tribe this was and how this story ended
I love how they were so confident about the other team being weak but they lost almost every time
history made in the most unique of ways throughout the season journey of Palau...
I love how the begginging is a series of unfortunate events
I love the books!
Half-expected to hear that Steph got sent home as soon as she joined the other tribe.
I was actually impressed that Stephanie lasted so long after the merger
If you will ever feel useless in your life just remember those green buffs from Survivor Palau :)
HAHAHA! They looked great though.
@@OnceUponAnIsland i mean i like all of three colors, its a shame that green color was never used
I have a green buff! My friend got it for me years ago!!
Part of survival is having someone take a leadership position in order to keep things running smoothly. The fact that they were too stuck up in their own self-importance goes to show that even though you have a 6 pack it doesn’t make your survival guaranteed.
I tend to find that people who reject leadership tend to not be team players or want a leader but aren't willing to stand up and lead themselves
@@VampireNewl exactly. They have too much of a belief that their decisions are best and no one knows better than them, however, they don’t think that they should have to lead because they don’t want the responsibility of it or in their mind they don’t think they are good enough
i love how you're going through each and every season.
Thank you :)
They literally hated James for being helpful.
Anyone rooting for Ulong at a certain point was eventually rooting for Koror just to put Ulong out of their misery.
I never watched this Season; haven't seen the show in a long time. But less than 10 minutes into the video and it becomes pretty clear that Ulong is, well...pretty stupid.
Take a look at the Sook Jai and Chuay Gahn for another example of good versus bad tribal decisions.
Also, when the time came to protect an opposing tribe member, the Koror were one of the few that actually got it right.
"We definitely have a leg up in the game for our physical strength."
*proceeds to lose every physical challenge*
I just can't bring myself to feel bad for these people when they're totally at fault for each and every loss they had.
It's tragic.
This is the video that made me discover this channel and I will forever be grateful ❤
Lulu: “And that’s when I took it personal”
I only watched a few seasons of Survivor beginning to end. This was one of them. Ulong’s brutal decline is the single strongest memory I have of this show.
anyone that says "we're americans" and expects to win, allways loses
Couldn't click faster. Finally, my favorite season gets talked about
Yes. It's one of my all-time favorite seasons as well.