@@indexwell6546 she's good in the same way Tai Gong is. Tai Gong might not be better Achilles in looping, but the fact that he can loop and be a great support as well makes him a valuable servant. (+ his dmg mod skills are no joke) (I was wrong)
I'm liking the 'dps that can support' thing fgo is pushing Oberon Tai Gong Wang Ozymandias' buff making him an actually good crit support if you can get around his class. And now Bakin
She isn't a bad servant tbf, but when the competition is a free servant with an 80 battery, and DVR, the servant in question really needs something big to make them standout. Bakin unfortunately just looks to be an average farmer
@Igor Dzienis Kiara main issue is that she has 0 self damage buffs until turn 3 so if she's not clearing turn 2 then that's a big issue since she is an Alter Ego. If all of her debuffs were instead buffs she'd be considerably better. That's why Taisui is BETTER in majority of scenarios has he is not damage locked debuff skills and has good damage turn 1 and 2... and he's free. Another thing to consider as well, if Taisui is vs Man attribute (which is common in Assassin and Rider) then he will out damage np5 Kiara even on turn 3.
@Igor Dzienis [1.5x damage cause alter ego] Np1 Kiara 157201 Np 2 Kiara 196502 Np 5 Kiara 235802 Taisui np5 212061 Taisui vs man Both with BG lvl 100 and double Castoria turn 1 and 2 Obviously turn 3 Kiara will out damage with her debuffs, but the point is that even an np2 Kiara get's out damage 20k by welfare and only 20k more at np5. If you want the turn 3 damage here u go, this is using Frag of 2004, remember this damage is only for the enemy with the debuff since it's only 1 enemy. Np1 Kiara 280499 Np2 Kiara 350623 Np5 Kiara 420748 Taisui 262552 Taisui vs man 433211
@Igor Dzienis Muramasa and Spishtar both have better NP gen stat and flat out NP return from skills (Spishtar gets ~3% from her Avenger passives and Muramasa gets 5-10% from his S3) to help their refund. They both also have excellent ramping capabilities unlike Kiara.
I mean, with loliVinci as a Servant, it’s not even really worth trying to be a good looping Rider Edit: since people are getting heated up about this, lemme just go and say that there’s nothing wrong with not being a looping Servant. There are probably more Servants that have other utility than there are that can loop. What I meant when I said this was that you shouldn’t judge her as a looper because she’s probably not gonna pass the bar compared to LoliVinci and you should look elsewhere. Looping is definitely a valuable tool, but it does not make or break a Servant and that you should treat the kit as a whole from different angles
@@6ToesHeACreature except that kinda rendered moot when Da Vinci can just charged both Castoria's NP, giving her additional 60% Atk from both Castoria and an 400% Overcharge with her S3
@@morsayxd Thats why i said 5* Arts Rider, not in general my man And you said Achilles while Jiang Ziya made him underpowered, and Ivan is a 5* AoE Buster
It's kinda unfair comparing looping capability after Davinci Rider... (And Habenyan which is free) Her skill has semi-support but nothing too stellar Yeah, she's useful but nothing too crazy But hey, she can loop with Black Grail, so if she's your waifu, you can put her to work
From a functional point of view, there are a plethora of better options like Lolivinci, Ody and Habenyan (the last two are also more available than her) but she's clearly workable if you prefer her over the other options.
@@0Clewi0 He can against Casters, but it isn't as clean as Lolivinci and at NP1 he may require assistance from 2004 MC or plug Para. He's also the hardest hitting AoE Arts Rider, so situationally you can forego BG for a CE that enables you to loop easier.
At least it not like Vritra/Ryouma situation aka 4 star just outclass them in term of looping…..wait Habetrot exist but hey a bit of team battery and her 2nd skill with a hell lot of buff should be able to give her a bit of niche as an aoe damage dealer + buffer for 90+ nodes or CQ right???
In Ryouma defense his kit was created specifically for hard CQs with all those buff removal resist and def up+ very good damage so him being mediocre in looping isn't as bad as bakin being mediocre at looping (with habetrot around) i feel like Lasagna hate her when they made her as a art rider like this.
To be completely fair, the SSR AoE Arts Lancers options do bring bigger damage numbers to the table compared to the SRs (I assume you're talking about Lambda and Percy). Also, in the case of Vritra, she provides a cleaner "loop" than her fellow AoE Arts Lancers.
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@@troy2223 That why I said in term of looping and not Vritra/Ryouma get outclass by a 4* in everyway possible but yeah Ryouma kits is CQ material
She can’t hit the full 100% on enemies consistently with Black Grail and has to compensate with external charge sources (specifically her 1st skill in this case)
@@harrya9458 ok but- that makes her farming pretty reliable since she HAS that 30% charge that she needs, so I don't see the problem since she has built in "solutions" to this "flaw"
@@tsukasa9838 this I get it, but she comes with a 30% charge built in a skill, so really I don't understand the problem (especially with Oberon in the game who charges for 70%)
It's kinda sad tho.. I was hoping for XuFu or just like ZhangJiao, another Romance Of 3 Kingdom Warriors like ZhaoYun, CaoCao, or GuanYu.. At least we got Doggirl, so I guess I just gonna take whatever we got 🙃
I think you wrote Habetrot wrong, which unlike those above is a free unit everyone will eventually get, a unit that can also 3-turn loop with a black grail. So yeah, the AoE arts rider field is extremely competitive, so much so that it puts this new servant in a weird situation.
@@Ebosan87 she is not free , you gotta roll for her in fp and she is pretty hard to get at np5 , but i do agree , if you have np5 habenyan , surfer mo and lolivinci are unnecessary , honestly the best in term of refill would be surfer mo tho
@@morsayxd She is free, the first copy everyone gets after completing Lostbelt 6. Of course to get her to NP5 you need to roll the FP gatcha, but in time everyone should eventually get her to NP5. Caster Artoria wasn't even a twinkle in the devs' eyes back when Rider Mo came out, so yeah, in terms of refund from her NP she is WAY up there. She was able to loop even before Castoria, now it's just silly. Very few servants can match up to her insane NP refund. Emiya is the same, rumor has it he was initially arts but they changed his NP to buster because of how crazy his refund is. I mean you could see from his kit that it was built around an arts NP, which he didn't get until the 5th anniversary.
@@isthatacatinyourpocket2548 but it is free, free means you don't have to pay any money, there is no way to pay money to roll the fp gatcha. I don't understand, what does free mean to you? You just get it, without doing anything in echange in the game? By that definition welfare servants are paid or something... no, free is free and the FP gatcha is free... it is only free.
Only for the overkill part so not so much , the most important in looping are np gain and hitcount , if any of the true are trash , you will be a decent to mediocre looper , sometimes you might not even be able to loop
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I can safely say that she is definitely one of the riders in the game!!!
She's one of the looping servants as well
It's ridin time
Nice morbius meme
With comments like this, i can't even tell if she is good or not
@@indexwell6546 she's good in the same way Tai Gong is.
Tai Gong might not be better Achilles in looping, but the fact that he can loop and be a great support as well makes him a valuable servant.
(+ his dmg mod skills are no joke)
(I was wrong)
took this long bc i hit pity again lmao
realllyyy??
That’s rough, man
F
@@hitchan5121 yes
Damn... F
"Stand back Master, I'm going to morb!"
"IT'S MORBIN TIME!!!"
At the very least she can play Chiron and be a secondary support if the looping biz doesnt work for her
I'm liking the 'dps that can support' thing fgo is pushing
Oberon
Tai Gong Wang
Ozymandias' buff making him an actually good crit support if you can get around his class.
And now Bakin
AOE unit: *doesnt get 300% refund on berserkers*
FGO community: skip this unit
Sadly the lame takes of fgo community nowadays do be like that
She isn't a bad servant tbf, but when the competition is a free servant with an 80 battery, and DVR, the servant in question really needs something big to make them standout. Bakin unfortunately just looks to be an average farmer
@@zoroarkchampion332 who is that free 80%?
@@grildrago habetrot
Well now we know the arcueid theory is wrong.
Wait she was that silhouette?
@@yuu7931 yep
Everyone who believed that theory was high on copium
It was never going to be correct that silhouette was pulled out of someone's ass
@@yuu7931 Damn..😫 Now my Chance to get Male Shiki is also Gone reduced into atom..
Its another Kiara situation where not enough hitcounts make her refund suffer
It’s more of an np gain issue rather than hit count. She has .41%
Except from naya vid ego kiara can loop any of the cavalry without issue except zerk maybe, dont know what you guys are talking abt
@Igor Dzienis Kiara main issue is that she has 0 self damage buffs until turn 3 so if she's not clearing turn 2 then that's a big issue since she is an Alter Ego.
If all of her debuffs were instead buffs she'd be considerably better.
That's why Taisui is BETTER in majority of scenarios has he is not damage locked debuff skills and has good damage turn 1 and 2... and he's free.
Another thing to consider as well, if Taisui is vs Man attribute (which is common in Assassin and Rider) then he will out damage np5 Kiara even on turn 3.
@Igor Dzienis
[1.5x damage cause alter ego]
Np1 Kiara 157201
Np 2 Kiara 196502
Np 5 Kiara 235802
Taisui np5 212061
Taisui vs man
Both with BG lvl 100 and double Castoria turn 1 and 2
Obviously turn 3 Kiara will out damage with her debuffs, but the point is that even an np2 Kiara get's out damage 20k by welfare and only 20k more at np5.
If you want the turn 3 damage here u go, this is using Frag of 2004, remember this damage is only for the enemy with the debuff since it's only 1 enemy.
Np1 Kiara 280499
Np2 Kiara 350623
Np5 Kiara 420748
Taisui 262552
Taisui vs man 433211
@Igor Dzienis Muramasa and Spishtar both have better NP gen stat and flat out NP return from skills (Spishtar gets ~3% from her Avenger passives and Muramasa gets 5-10% from his S3) to help their refund. They both also have excellent ramping capabilities unlike Kiara.
0:19 When you don't have time for any shit.
I mean, with loliVinci as a Servant, it’s not even really worth trying to be a good looping Rider
Edit: since people are getting heated up about this, lemme just go and say that there’s nothing wrong with not being a looping Servant. There are probably more Servants that have other utility than there are that can loop. What I meant when I said this was that you shouldn’t judge her as a looper because she’s probably not gonna pass the bar compared to LoliVinci and you should look elsewhere. Looping is definitely a valuable tool, but it does not make or break a Servant and that you should treat the kit as a whole from different angles
Tbf she's definitely doing more damage than Da Vinci which is something Da Vinci always struggles with.
Why don't use habetrot
I mean Habenyan exist
@@6ToesHeACreature except that kinda rendered moot when Da Vinci can just charged both Castoria's NP, giving her additional 60% Atk from both Castoria and an 400% Overcharge with her S3
@@ShiraFuyu2022 OK so people hate using plugsuit because of time but people are willing to watch 3 damn nps when farming lol?
Well, guess we have the true holy trinity of 5* AoE Arts Rider (LoliVinci, Odysseus, Miss Bakin)
In looping meta yes , as units no , ivan , achilleus and odysseus are the best aoe riders overall , ivan being the best
@@morsayxd the best servant is the one u like to use man
@@morsayxd Thats why i said 5* Arts Rider, not in general my man
And you said Achilles while Jiang Ziya made him underpowered, and Ivan is a 5* AoE Buster
She got the truth seeker orbs.
I can't believe we now have Vajra GBF in FGO.
It's kinda unfair comparing looping capability after Davinci Rider... (And Habenyan which is free)
Her skill has semi-support but nothing too stellar
Yeah, she's useful but nothing too crazy
But hey, she can loop with Black Grail, so if she's your waifu, you can put her to work
good enough for me to justify the pull, and not because i'm addicted to rolling,
you are addicted
not me
:D
What da rider doin
Stand back. i'm beginning to loop.
man, if only i have castoria, she'll really come in handy...
OH NOOOOO SHE CANT LOOOOOOP😱😱😱
0.46 np gain so like
kek
.41
was spooked by achilles :>>
Ahhh Kyokou could be a be a possible nickname?
From a functional point of view, there are a plethora of better options like Lolivinci, Ody and Habenyan (the last two are also more available than her) but she's clearly workable if you prefer her over the other options.
Can Ody BG loop? Or he just gets enough damage to ignore that advantage?
@@0Clewi0 He can against Casters, but it isn't as clean as Lolivinci and at NP1 he may require assistance from 2004 MC or plug Para.
He's also the hardest hitting AoE Arts Rider, so situationally you can forego BG for a CE that enables you to loop easier.
Anything's possible with black grail lol
I want Bakin just because I love her voice and she's a Twitter Puppygirl
girl ver of chiron but better
I got her 10/10/10 grailed to 100 at np5 , she is good but her damage is really lacking. She is dmg plus support, great with castoria.
Dawg
She would've been great if her 3rd skill is targetable
いいね
At least it not like Vritra/Ryouma situation aka 4 star just outclass them in term of looping…..wait Habetrot exist
but hey a bit of team battery and her 2nd skill with a hell lot of buff should be able to give her a bit of niche as an aoe damage dealer + buffer for 90+ nodes or CQ right???
In Ryouma defense his kit was created specifically for hard CQs with all those buff removal resist and def up+ very good damage so him being mediocre in looping isn't as bad as bakin being mediocre at looping (with habetrot around) i feel like Lasagna hate her when they made her as a art rider like this.
To be completely fair, the SSR AoE Arts Lancers options do bring bigger damage numbers to the table compared to the SRs (I assume you're talking about Lambda and Percy). Also, in the case of Vritra, she provides a cleaner "loop" than her fellow AoE Arts Lancers.
@@troy2223 That why I said in term of looping and not Vritra/Ryouma get outclass by a 4* in everyway possible but yeah Ryouma kits is CQ material
am I the only one who's asking himself how is this just OK?
She can’t hit the full 100% on enemies consistently with Black Grail and has to compensate with external charge sources (specifically her 1st skill in this case)
Low hit counts = NP refund may not be enough
100% refund or is crap, is the way of thinking nowadays
@@harrya9458 ok but- that makes her farming pretty reliable since she HAS that 30% charge that she needs, so I don't see the problem since she has built in "solutions" to this "flaw"
@@tsukasa9838 this I get it, but she comes with a 30% charge built in a skill, so really I don't understand the problem (especially with Oberon in the game who charges for 70%)
Ok but, his second skill is kinda insane, right?
Can't believe you call Bakin a 'His'
@@shaunaburst5638 I stand by it
Her or da20 lily, who is better ?
davinci
Is she limited or what????
Owo
It's kinda sad tho.. I was hoping for XuFu or just like ZhangJiao, another Romance Of 3 Kingdom Warriors like ZhaoYun, CaoCao, or GuanYu.. At least we got Doggirl, so I guess I just gonna take whatever we got 🙃
Part 2 banner waiting room
@@Sasorislovery count me in..
@@Sasorislovery Tametomo is waiting us in Part 2
There is still a second banner don't lose hope
but I bet tametomo will come in 2nd banner
She is anniversary servant ?
no
Anni is in July
This one is the new lb3 locked event
She is not terrible but she has Lolivinci and Surfmo as competition, it was always going to be disappointing.
I think you wrote Habetrot wrong, which unlike those above is a free unit everyone will eventually get, a unit that can also 3-turn loop with a black grail. So yeah, the AoE arts rider field is extremely competitive, so much so that it puts this new servant in a weird situation.
@@Ebosan87 she is not free , you gotta roll for her in fp and she is pretty hard to get at np5 , but i do agree , if you have np5 habenyan , surfer mo and lolivinci are unnecessary , honestly the best in term of refill would be surfer mo tho
@@morsayxd She is free, the first copy everyone gets after completing Lostbelt 6. Of course to get her to NP5 you need to roll the FP gatcha, but in time everyone should eventually get her to NP5.
Caster Artoria wasn't even a twinkle in the devs' eyes back when Rider Mo came out, so yeah, in terms of refund from her NP she is WAY up there. She was able to loop even before Castoria, now it's just silly. Very few servants can match up to her insane NP refund. Emiya is the same, rumor has it he was initially arts but they changed his NP to buster because of how crazy his refund is. I mean you could see from his kit that it was built around an arts NP, which he didn't get until the 5th anniversary.
@@Ebosan87 the fp pool isn’t free trust me. I have yet to get a Artoria lily after 4 years of rolling
@@isthatacatinyourpocket2548 but it is free, free means you don't have to pay any money, there is no way to pay money to roll the fp gatcha. I don't understand, what does free mean to you? You just get it, without doing anything in echange in the game? By that definition welfare servants are paid or something... no, free is free and the FP gatcha is free... it is only free.
Loops ok sounds great for an AoE buster or Quick but sounds like the kiss of death for an Arts servant.
how much do grails and extra np levels help with looping?
Only for the overkill part so not so much , the most important in looping are np gain and hitcount , if any of the true are trash , you will be a decent to mediocre looper , sometimes you might not even be able to loop
as support Chiron still better 😅
well with the new caster from samurai renmant. i think this rider is the best one
She’s not bad, right?
Ye she is decent
She is bad if you know what I mean
Is it a must pull?
no
No Servant is one you MUST have
Not at all
@@gerardoalexandergarciamend7053 castoria is looking at you
@@isthatacatinyourpocket2548 She isn't a must, I've been doing just fine without her
Btw why not use swimsuit mystic code? The one gudako wear orange top
2004 is better for looping
When 4 stars loop better and probably more damage than her.
No Kiara bullying video yet?
I guess she’s only good at looping casters as far I could tell on xNaya’s video
Ofcourse She was a old dude back in the day.
What did I expect
who the fuck????