Ntanzi God is with u bcz in all of this siwilili we have seen ukuthi uyasukelwa even Senzo where he is will never rest bcz people who killed him are out there enjoying life may God fight for Meyiwa and Ntanzi
I wonder if this old man realizes that he's talking to men and a woman of their homes with families including kids , even your helper can't be spoken to like this..this mkhulu is very disrespectful.
Do you expect the Judge to just sit there and not to open his mouth and just listen to all the contradictions of no 1 a d 2. Liars.! They are all involved in this case.unfortunately we will only know who pulled the trigger next year.
Ja mtshele Adv Mngomezulu uRatha usuthi I verdict and why iare you forcing Mngomezulu but Ratha God is watching you Ratha ungakhohlwa kwaze kabuhlungu kwenzeka Pretoria High Court Nkosi Jesu ngenelela ngoba ijustice system yaseSoutb Africa ayiwasizi ama Advocates bejustice iyooh kunini bakithi uRatha a lokhu athethisa amaadvocates iyoooh 😭😭😭😭😭😭💔💔💔💔 ngenelela Nkosi Jesu Judge leqiniso nakhu sibhubha esouth Africa nengane zethu nabazukulu befakwa emajele bgamacala okubulala abangalenzanga Sorry Advocate Mngomezulu uBaba uNkulunkulu akakuthobe namanxeba siyanikhulekela nizomnqoba ugoliath qinisela I the Esteemed Advocates of Justice Siyabonga singuMzansi nilwele uMeyiw no 5accused banamacala abo kodwa abambulalanfa uSenzo DNA excluded them dime lapho kufuneka I Kanti ngempela
Guys is there anyways to ask the judge to step down? The judge is showing us clear that his is on the witness side and to intervene is his duty but its not fair
Bias judge, why did the court proceedings start without having all the necessary documents. The judge is very quick to interject the defense but doesn't interject Baloyi
Lento yalelicala angisayboni manje amaphoyisa angaka manje kuseza amanye kodwa babewu 6 abantu ababesendlini ayisekho lento o Kelly o Longwe u MaKhumalo bazipholele nje angathi akwenzekanga lutho ,ungafunga ukuthi kwashona i phoyisa
Justice for the family really are you giving kustice as we talk Gininda Haibonah stop digging the hole deep you know deep in your heart you know abukho ubulungiswa obenzile ucabanga ukuthi kuyadlalwa you not brigadier to God I am warning you bcos young and old of South Africa we are praying persitently for justice for Meyiwa and 5accused
The two gentlemen doesn't kill Senzo Meyiwa. The killing person is out there happy and eating joy.One day will be one day. May God protect them in the hands of those who received the brown envelope
Judge has already made his decesion to convict and sentence all the accussed for a very longtime in jail, will see that hapoening soon early next year cause courts are closing early nextweek for festive, coming back early in January, they called Gininda at the end on purpose during this trial within a trial, in january moving to arguments reserved, then sentenving of these guys followed by docket 375 its so sad judge wants to make sure they are all guuilty 🤔🙄😭😭😭😭
Gininda is well spoken & mistekening this to smartness, what will help him is Ratha having taken the side of the state with simingly pre-determined outcomes. Gininda is bound to crack under mngomezulu. Its going to be very difficult for him to cover for all his stooges who testified before him. Its a lost case for the state
Ratha will continue to interfere tooth and nail even nextyear to find these guys guilty, will this case will go to court of appeal unless the accussed become state witnesses, for docket 375 where the mastermind will be revealed and arrested you mark my words thatts my voice opinion thats all iam just connecting the dots nyt guys 🙏
I feel like this judge is if so emotional and has already taken the decision that the accused are guilty. To be honest I'm waiting for the court of appeal than what's happening coz clearly here we are just waisting time
The judge is helping witnesses almost as if he doesn't want them to be caught out. Isn't the judge supposed to listen and determine whether the person is a reliable witness or not, how would he tell if the witness is lying when he keeps coming to the witness's rescue?
@@zamanxumalo472510:41 yes them this case will take 10yrs more but judge unesidina abaphathi bskhe need to tell him to stop his interference and always defending the witnesses 😢😢
This judge make Mngomezulu become seek when he give answers to the witness he don't want to give the lawyer's get the answers from the witness thats why Mngo become seek.
The judge once said aketle mo ka tlhogo e ntsho meaning that he prepares himself before he presides over the court, so our comments make us to be bias as a public bcos we are not legally trained to conclude the defence fabrication of facts
@@mapasekaclara4689 even Mshololo is always being attacked by the judge its sad cause both of them with Mngomezulu are very strong and judge feels threatened, defending the witnesses in court, as far as i can see tbe jugde is foing this cause he has already made his decedion to prosecute all the accussed for serve their lives in jail for a very longtime 🤔🙄😭
Zungu statement which is mentioned in the cross examination pertains to accused warrant of arrest that allegedly links accused to Senzo Meyiwa murder was submitted on 23/10/2023 two years later after the Said warrant executed shame to South African police service
😀😀😀 Good people relax the judge wants the accused to be freed but coz of the people behind this case he is afraid of them so now his strategy as he always says SC .meaning he wants the accused to win on review there fore the people hehind this case cant faulter him😀😀😀 He knows all his irregularities will benefit the accused on review 😀😀😀
What was given I. The main trial should not feature in trial within trial. Judge asked Baloyi about J50 for Cas 636, Baloyi had hot potato and he answered about different cas. We heard and saw that. Judge do not help witnesses, Mngo wanted Gininj to be the one answering and providing those supporting docs. Judge you failed to force Dockets to come to court. Askakhohlwa.
So far the State has not brought any evidence that links the accused to the murder of Senzo. That's why Baloyi is trying every trick in the book to get these so-called confessions admitted. In 2014 in the Radovan Krejcir matter Gininda was accused of corecing witnesses to confess and the State lost in a trial within a trial. So assault and coercion are Gininda's modus operandi when it comes to confessions.
Mr Gininda can you go to the Mine HR (Mulder)and ask whether Ntazi B. had dreadlocks on the day Senzo was killed?? As you were there to ask if he was at work on 26/11/14 Since you went there to ask about his knocking in/off on the 25/11.
if this guy was my lawyer he'd be fired immediately!!! how does he come to cross examine a well-read professional with some half-ass story? even the judge had to step-in like "the defence didn't read the evidence"
Mr judge.....you too sarcastic.... very much unprofessional....for you to say you better know the case more than others " what's all that from a " legend judge'
Very arrogant!!! Only to find out he doesn't know much after all. He's always offside! And then to mask his shame he says "fine go on"... never apologizes for his gaffes, a sign of a certain type of personality.
We need a old white judge
Bekezela Mngomezulu syabona kunzima I judge lilwa impi eyaziwa yilona ( brown envelope) nkosyami
Kabekezele ngempelo ngoba leli judje selijike laba ngufakazi ayiiiiiiiii
Ntanzi God is with u bcz in all of this siwilili we have seen ukuthi uyasukelwa even Senzo where he is will never rest bcz people who killed him are out there enjoying life may God fight for Meyiwa and Ntanzi
Uqinisile Cc
Waze wakhuluma kahle Ntombi siyabonga futhi siyakuthanda
I wonder if this old man realizes that he's talking to men and a woman of their homes with families including kids , even your helper can't be spoken to like this..this mkhulu is very disrespectful.
Unfortunately it's like this in most workplaces
Do you expect the Judge to just sit there and not to open his mouth and just listen to all the contradictions of no 1 a d 2. Liars.! They are all involved in this case.unfortunately we will only know who pulled the trigger next year.
@@zamakhosinimbili2990True!
Mshololo couldn't tolerate this nonsense.
@@zamakhosinimbili2990udakiwe wena
This judge is against all the accused finish.longwe and Kelly they are having a good time 💔💔
Ja mtshele Adv Mngomezulu uRatha usuthi I verdict and why iare you forcing Mngomezulu but Ratha God is watching you Ratha ungakhohlwa kwaze kabuhlungu kwenzeka Pretoria High Court Nkosi Jesu ngenelela ngoba ijustice system yaseSoutb Africa ayiwasizi ama Advocates bejustice iyooh kunini bakithi uRatha a lokhu athethisa amaadvocates iyoooh 😭😭😭😭😭😭💔💔💔💔 ngenelela Nkosi Jesu Judge leqiniso nakhu sibhubha esouth Africa nengane zethu nabazukulu befakwa emajele bgamacala okubulala abangalenzanga Sorry Advocate Mngomezulu uBaba uNkulunkulu akakuthobe namanxeba siyanikhulekela nizomnqoba ugoliath qinisela I the Esteemed Advocates of Justice Siyabonga singuMzansi nilwele uMeyiw no 5accused banamacala abo kodwa abambulalanfa uSenzo DNA excluded them dime lapho kufuneka I Kanti ngempela
Thing is the judge he is doing Baloi job
Good for you Mr Mngomezulu 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
The judge has already made his decision.
_"I can see the court has already made up its mind my lord"_ - Adv. Mnisi 😏
Guys is there anyways to ask the judge to step down? The judge is showing us clear that his is on the witness side and to intervene is his duty but its not fair
Bias judge, why did the court proceedings start without having all the necessary documents. The judge is very quick to interject the defense but doesn't interject Baloyi
He loves Vaseline too much!!! You must hear him when he says "Yes Mr Baloyi" 🤓
This is not a judge, bt the witnesses advocate....
Lento yalelicala angisayboni manje amaphoyisa angaka manje kuseza amanye kodwa babewu 6 abantu ababesendlini ayisekho lento o Kelly o Longwe u MaKhumalo bazipholele nje angathi akwenzekanga lutho ,ungafunga ukuthi kwashona i phoyisa
Impela ungath kwafa iphoyisa futhi not iphoyisa nje bt kwafa usomaqhuzu ka sgaxa mabhande wephoyisa
Justice for the family really are you giving kustice as we talk Gininda Haibonah stop digging the hole deep you know deep in your heart you know abukho ubulungiswa obenzile ucabanga ukuthi kuyadlalwa you not brigadier to God I am warning you bcos young and old of South Africa we are praying persitently for justice for Meyiwa and 5accused
The two gentlemen doesn't kill Senzo Meyiwa. The killing person is out there happy and eating joy.One day will be one day. May God protect them in the hands of those who received the brown envelope
Very true
Judge has already made his decesion to convict and sentence all the accussed for a very longtime in jail, will see that hapoening soon early next year cause courts are closing early nextweek for festive, coming back early in January, they called Gininda at the end on purpose during this trial within a trial, in january moving to arguments reserved, then sentenving of these guys followed by docket 375 its so sad judge wants to make sure they are all guuilty 🤔🙄😭😭😭😭
who is da killer thou
U asked this stupid question because u do know it could b u the killer or the mastermind
@@LM-rg9ljmaybe it's your one of your relatives.
Judge Ratha vs Adv. Teffo Malesela would have been fireworks!!!🙆♂️
I so wish
😂😂😂😂😂😂
That's why they took Teff out, because that guy doesn't take nonsense nje,
Where is Teffo today.😂
@@siviwembatane3600 💯 correct! It would have been a toe-to-toe blow-by-blow affair!!! Teffo wouldn't have tolerated such disrespect by the judge.🤓
Well done Mr Mngomezu🙏🙏judge Ratha is he or she she looks alike with my grandmother what a captured n boring judge Mrs Ratha😂🤣😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 niyahlekisa bafwethu
Loooooool 😅😅😅 but true he looks like a lady I've always said that
Money is the root of all evil.people will kill for money because of greediness.
Said loud
True
And money 💸💰 is a answer of all
The *_love_* of money... - 1 Timothy 6:10
If we are going to view this case based on emotions,we deffinately not going to under the administrators of justice and legal prensciples
This judge linesidina
Kakhulu
Judge please follow the law, don't take side, so that the trial can be fair. to all South African. We all watching contradiction.
Guys this is too much i am traumatized i cannot even sleep😮
Same as me😢
😢
Nkosiym lomkhulu uyabonakala nje ukuthi umela ogininda,,,,unxukuzisa ikhanda uma kukhuluma ugii kodwa jesuuu isono senu siyakunifumana,,,,ngomndeni ka senzo,,, lekhehla,,selicedile ngesincumo,,sale cala
Gininda is well spoken & mistekening this to smartness, what will help him is Ratha having taken the side of the state with simingly pre-determined outcomes. Gininda is bound to crack under mngomezulu. Its going to be very difficult for him to cover for all his stooges who testified before him. Its a lost case for the state
I don't think so ,Ratha will fight nail and tooth to win
Judge Ratha is nonsense and biased.
Ey elinye icala leli
Ratha will continue to interfere tooth and nail even nextyear to find these guys guilty, will this case will go to court of appeal unless the accussed become state witnesses, for docket 375 where the mastermind will be revealed and arrested you mark my words thatts my voice opinion thats all iam just connecting the dots nyt guys 🙏
Ya anything can happen
Let's bet R500 vs R500 judge Ratha will disturb defence like he normally do
It's always does, I'll lose my money here😂😂😂😂
Akukho qili elazikhotha emhlane Gininda n Rathatha.ido you know how big is God's Eye? It see's all of us and every where.....m warning you..mmmmm
Helping the witnesses with relevant documents
Ratha lokhu ezibhalisa ubala but wazi kahle ukuthi kuthiwe woza uzogweba abafana manje uyehluleka ukufihla
Long live Mngomezulu father of the people
😂😂😂😂😂😂Wabanjwa Gininda senior investigator
I feel like this judge is if so emotional and has already taken the decision that the accused are guilty. To be honest I'm waiting for the court of appeal than what's happening coz clearly here we are just waisting time
Decision it's taken long time ago yes now really now sidlala ngesikhath sethu siyabona
The judge is helping witnesses almost as if he doesn't want them to be caught out. Isn't the judge supposed to listen and determine whether the person is a reliable witness or not, how would he tell if the witness is lying when he keeps coming to the witness's rescue?
Judge explains the low and interpret
Le judge ngeminwe😉
This is not a judge, maybe he was a judge. But today nah nah
Waah lekhehla liyacika nje, likhuluma nabameli sengathi likhuluma nezngane ezincane nje, igugile lento ngabe iyasuswa nje kufakwe omunye😢
Usegwazelwe
@@jabuphakathi37 ukth uyazi ngdinwa kuncinze amakhwapha uma esengafuni bakhulume efuna bezwe yena ekhuluma
Ratha ucabanga ukuthi ama advocate laba abazukulu bakhe laba abadlala naye ekhaya
Kuzoqala phansi icala if the judge is changed.
@@zamanxumalo472510:41 yes them this case will take 10yrs more but judge unesidina abaphathi bskhe need to tell him to stop his interference and always defending the witnesses 😢😢
THE JURGE IS TAKING TO MUCH,😢😢😭
Tjho!🙆♂️
Too much ayiiii
The hole 9yaer the killer not arrested cele and chicco they think they are winners God will punished them and they team
Enkantolo awasetshenziswa ama emotions, Mngomezulu is asking relevant questions irrespective of the judge. Kufuneka ama facts kwaphela!
But the judge keeps interjecting to throw him off course.
Kodwa Ratha why why you are so involved unnecessary
Thina slalela noSfiso Meyiwa ilunga lomndebi elazi ukusuka nokuhlala kodaba even today they're not happy with proceedings they still strong believe ukuthi bonke abantu ababesendlini kukhulu abak7fihlayo bt iqiniso lithi uLongwe uyena owadubula uSenzo
Judge Ratha 😰😰😰
This judge is eager to be heard relevant
Hayi bakithi leJudge ngeminwe egobile egcwele I aitra ulokhu ephazamisa uMgo
THIS JUDGE TOTALLY LACKS LISTENING SKILLS ...... HE'S IN A HURRY 4 SOMETHING IN HIS MIND ......
This judge make Mngomezulu become seek when he give answers to the witness he don't want to give the lawyer's get the answers from the witness thats why Mngo become seek.
The judge once said aketle mo ka tlhogo e ntsho meaning that he prepares himself before he presides over the court, so our comments make us to be bias as a public bcos we are not legally trained to conclude the defence fabrication of facts
Logininda udinga umShosholozi ashosholoze naye sengathi ushokhwe ugesi buyamShololo
The killer of Senzo his wasted his mad his a Jackie kelly she started to have a brakedown she looks depressed
Dots are being connected,wish everyone can see
Judge is talking to himself
This judge is very dirty shame he is the witness of the court nonsense 💔💔
Ifa nini lenja yemenemene lejaji?
Ndichekrwe ndanele ngulo fingers umazinyo amdaka! This judge ngusathane ovutha amalangabe
Ubanjiwe Gininda kuthanda ungathandi😂😂😂😂
Ingathi MngomeZulu unama chest pain nje, nangu ebhambatha isfuba.
I like this no-nonsence judge, Mghomezulu is now tasting his own medicine.
Its tough Mngomezulu is doing well
Oh yes all means but God will answer all about this case it's very tough
Where's mshooo 2 examine this ginindas eshhh
@@mapasekaclara4689 even Mshololo is always being attacked by the judge its sad cause both of them with Mngomezulu are very strong and judge feels threatened, defending the witnesses in court, as far as i can see tbe jugde is foing this cause he has already made his decedion to prosecute all the accussed for serve their lives in jail for a very longtime 🤔🙄😭
Mngomezulu knows how to dig deep and he knows when a witness is dodging and avoiding the question
@@PrincessMchunu-xh2iq...and this is not the first time he's squaring up against the 'brigadier'🤓
Zungu statement which is mentioned in the cross examination pertains to accused warrant of arrest that allegedly links accused to Senzo Meyiwa murder was submitted on 23/10/2023 two years later after the Said warrant executed shame to South African police service
Wabanjwa Gininda. Albarton is not a prisoner.
Twala you went to the police station on that day morning. You took your son to the police station. Tell the truth
Judge Mlambo where r u if Ratha is bussy rubbishing de defense like his child nx yacika lobaba
Useyenza eyakhe le case angazi ukuthi ucabanga ukuthi uyini
😀😀😀 Good people relax the judge wants the accused to be freed but coz of the people behind this case he is afraid of them so now his strategy as he always says SC .meaning he wants the accused to win on review there fore the people hehind this case cant faulter him😀😀😀 He knows all his irregularities will benefit the accused on review 😀😀😀
"Gininda" you looking for the king cheer in bad ways you lie
We Ratata uyadina kanti what are you doing
You are disturbing mkulu don't answer for the witness
Are you a prosecutor
Gininda, madala Sithole of which Mbaks did a right thing to dismiss him same whatsup group ya nkainaiza
Judge RATHA yhoooooo
How Gininda forget that was once asked by Adv Mngo when he witnessed a case 😳
Ujaji uyadina shame uve hlale bambe umoya wokuthi sengathi ugininda Anga sticker Ku line actually NJe lelijaji liyanyanyisa
I don't think the judge was answering for Brigadier Gininda. He was only reiterating what Gininda had already said
😂😂😂😂😂Already arrested uyadlala we Gininda phinde ukhohlwe
Ratha needs to step down. People of South Africa usually rise on matters like these, he is guiding all these witnesses to favor the state
Ai ai ai Gininda unamanga yooh 😂😂ayihlangani lento ngeke
Haibonah judge you know the case than better than others uyeyisa Ratha why you you doing this to the advocates what is fine you are interfering Ratha
Ngibonile enza lento yakhe yokuhlebela witness nomlomo ocijile
Yoh mkhulu ratha uyinkinga
Yinja yejaji leli
Ntanzi is invold he is one of the intrunder we know that
This judge is a problem
Gininda
What was given I. The main trial should not feature in trial within trial. Judge asked Baloyi about J50 for Cas 636, Baloyi had hot potato and he answered about different cas. We heard and saw that. Judge do not help witnesses, Mngo wanted Gininj to be the one answering and providing those supporting docs. Judge you failed to force Dockets to come to court. Askakhohlwa.
Wa hleka judge ye skebengu
Mngomezulu uzanaye kahle iciniso lizovela
to protect my heart i know longer follow this case except in the news because of this masepa judge.monna o ke satane ya madala
ukelly ubotshwa nini
Lihlekani vele
Gininda you have kept mngomezulu where he belongs now he cant breath busy asking for tomorrow😅
Yes judge you is interfering
375 umazelaphi Lo judge ngoba Lana sikhuluma 636 futhi ungenaphi Judge kukhulunywa no Ginyinja😢😢😢
So far the State has not brought any evidence that links the accused to the murder of Senzo. That's why Baloyi is trying every trick in the book to get these so-called confessions admitted. In 2014 in the Radovan Krejcir matter Gininda was accused of corecing witnesses to confess and the State lost in a trial within a trial. So assault and coercion are Gininda's modus operandi when it comes to confessions.
Judge never interdiction Baloyi, only the councils who are trying to expose the witnesses 😢
those people there got their crime not Mayiwa shooting no even a blind man can see that
Mara why Ratha really he must be removed.hes taking side(uzile mkhulu)
Mr Gininda can you go to the Mine HR (Mulder)and ask whether Ntazi B. had dreadlocks on the day Senzo was killed?? As you were there to ask if he was at work on 26/11/14
Since you went there to
ask about his knocking in/off on the 25/11.
The state will bring the evidence when the time is right
if this guy was my lawyer he'd be fired immediately!!! how does he come to cross examine a well-read professional with some half-ass story? even the judge had to step-in like "the defence didn't read the evidence"
iheeeeh kanti uyamazi Gininda iheeeee kusazoshuba
😢
Lelicala licishe lifane nelenzeka kithi thanks god thina ulwazi salugcina kithi babona sekbanjwa abantu bagwetshwa
Wherei is advocate Mshololo
Ratha is answering for evry witness
Who charge accused 1😂😂😂😂
He is running away from that question 😅
Mr judge.....you too sarcastic.... very much unprofessional....for you to say you better know the case more than others " what's all that from a " legend judge'
Very arrogant!!! Only to find out he doesn't know much after all. He's always offside! And then to mask his shame he says "fine go on"... never apologizes for his gaffes, a sign of a certain type of personality.
But Mgomezulu is always fiddling with papers and never really listen to the witness