So many mystery guests disguised their voices by imitating Walter Brennan I was anxious to see how he'd disguise his own. I have to say that was the most unlikely voice ever from a mystery guest and well-modulated.
I LOVE this show! When America had class and wit. Its one of greatest treasures of YT and a deserved hit with millions of viewers, Watch out its addictive but won't be time wasted!
windstorm1000 You should've posted that on Episode One of the first series. Most of us are watching chronologically and are dozens and dozens of episodes in by now!! :)
The question was asked to Walter Brennan "Are you a comedian?" "No" was the given answer from Walter Brennan, BUT John Daly did NOT turn the card so actually WALTER BRENNAN WON THE GAME!
Ms. Garson, Mr. Menjou, and Mr.Brennan on the same Show. Wow, what a coup. A terrific episode. I just love Walter Brennan, and he made life very difficult for the panel. Inspired guess at the end, but who cares. I couldn't stop smiling.
I remember watching Walter Brennan on The Real McCoys sitcom and The Guns of Will Sonnett, but I'm ashamed to say I wasn't aware he won 3 Oscars, much less one!!
Love him on tv, and in movies, especially as the Patriarch of the Danby clan. Especially the scene at the jail, where his son, Joe (Bruce Dern), was being held, when Pa Danby (Walter Brennan) confronted the Sheriff (James Garner) by pointing his gun at the sheriff. The sheriff responded by sticking his finger into the barrel of Pa's gun.
@@rtususian My first exposure to Walter Brennan was at the ripe age of 3-4, when he was on _The Real McCoys._ I was 6 when _The Real McCoys_ was cancelled, so when they launched _The Guns of Will Sonnett_ I was excited to see him in a different role, because I only knew him as Grandpa Amos. I knew nothing of his movie career or awards (I couldn't -- I wasn't born yet).
Holy crap I had to go back to see! When she broke it into that smile, I could tell right away (after you mentioned first) it was her! Thanks for posting this.
@paul Hicks: Just like R R I had to take a second view of this episode to look at Ms. Hall. I must say, she looked truly different but none the less very lovely!
I was in the bathroom brushing my teeth instead of watching and I kept thinking I knew the voice but couldn’t figure out why I would know the voice of a Ziegfield girl. Good catch. Now I know.
I thought Adolphe Menjou and Greer Garson, both did a good job and seemed really comfortable playing the game considering this was their first time they were guest panelists. I was surprised to learn this was their only appearance as a guest panelist. Wonder whey they never came back since the seemed like naturals?
Jeff Vaughn - I would suspect in both cases it was near the end of the years when both these fine actors were spending much time in NYC, so it just never worked out for them again, as it might have had they been at home in Europe or in L.A. Some of this was just access, timing. They were both extraordinary and were the types of cultured artists who would have known Walter Brennan's work well, so a tribute to his voice disguise that they did not guess him without a hint of his sound.
The panel was so well able to guess the occupation because they were smart and also because they were aware of the world events and the people involved in them.
I love, love Greer Garson and always have. She's so stunning and elegant. Plus, I've wanted to comment on this for a while now, but I love all the shiny sparkle that glitters from the women's clothing, whether it's the Ziegfeld Girls costumes, or even Dorothy or Arlene and their clothing and jewelry, and that blonde school teacher a few episodes back, most of the women, just so stunning and flashy. Beautiful to watch! Thank you for uploading! It's so lovely to see.
More comments about the show being rigged. ENOUGH ALREADY!! So sad that so many of these wonderful people have passed away....RIP. Thanks again for posting these great memories.
Jim Beasley Thank you, Jim-- I find it very annoying, yes. I find it particularly annoying when this comes from people who only watched an episode or two and are absolutely **convinced** that they can see through the deception that didn't exist. I usually don't bother replying to these comments anymore, because most of the time people are unwilling to listen to the simple rational argument that they didn't rig the show because it would have **ruined** the spontaneity that was essential to its entertainment value. People believe what they want to .
What's My Line? It most certainly was NOT rigged..but maybe you have to be old enough to remember the show. Mr Cerf got many of the mystery guests because he knows which stars were in the area at any given moment
satori cmaylo I was born 5 years after the show was cancelled. I think it's more relevant that a person have the capacity for critical thought than that they were old enough to have seen the show in its original run. :)
What's My Line? I think it very unlikely to presume the show was rigged. Never ever where so much fun in it. And i have seen many of the show now and long ago as Kid in Germany also. One cannot fake this. And by the way, all members of the panel have occasionally flash Ideas (can one say this so in english?) Sometimes, often enough, wrong and sometimes like Adolph Menjou right. P.S. Greer Garson looks marvelous, i like her personality and also her acting.
Wow! I always loved Walter in that one western he played in on tv. Never saw him dressed and clean shaven. I like his energy and persona. I’m probably his age in this video, now. I find him attractive, both physically and energy. Nice eyes and demeanor:) I will have to look him up, as I had no idea that he had won 3 Oscars, too! This panel made it more interesting. And I love Dorothy in the light hair, so flattering for her.
I didn't like Dorothy's snarky comment about him being out of season as Santa Claus, but I thought Bennett's comment about having nerve coming on to a TV show sponsored by Remington-Rand was pretty funny.
@@rtususian unfortunately, Dorothy is routinely petty towards contestants if she feels they are below her...that's what gave you that initial impression.
Dorothy introduces Adolphe Menjou and says he had just returned from Germany where he had made the movie "Paths of Glory" with Kirk Douglas and directed by Stanley Kubrick. 0:50
The Ziegfeld follies ran continuously in New York City from 1907 to 1931, with revivals in 1934, 1936, 1943 and 1957. Walter Pidgeon wasn't able to appear as a guest panelist in this episode of WML due to laryngitis, but 11 years later he would portray Florenz Ziegfeld in the film version of "Funny Girl" with Barbara Streisand as Fanny Brice, who starred in the Ziegfeld Follies for many years. 1957 was the last year the Ziegfel Follies ever appeared.
All of the jewellery the Ziegfeld's are wearing was designed and hand made by Hobe. A lot of the stars also bought and wore his jewellery and appeared in advertising for his jewellery, Elizabeth Taylor for one. I have a couple of his pieces, and they are quite collectable and can go for a high price.
Greer Garson seems to have studied the mimics and ways of asking questions by Arlene Francis very well. The only thing that was missing was a sparkling diamant heart....
I guess I am an old guy as I used to love to watch any film where Walter Brennan acted in. To those of you too young to remember, please find his films and enjoy.
The Barbara Hall who answers the questions for the Ziegfeld Girls latter became known as Barbara Feldon. That's according to IMDB. IBDB (Internet broadway data base) has her as a different Barbara Hall but if you freeze-frame it when she tilts her head, I think IMDB is right. She would have been 24.
I've paused at shots of Barbara Hall in several spots, while in another tab moving through the IMDB picture gallery of Barbara Feldon, and I'm convinced that they are one and the same person. The eyes, the shape of the jaw and the nose, the lips, and especially the cheekbones...all the same. Add in the fact that Barbara Feldon was born Barbara Hall and didn't marry Mr. Feldon until the year after this show, and I'd say the evidence is clear and convincing.
definitely best voice disguise of the show - how the hell did that guy pull it out of his butt to guess? I think he peeked! brennan was one of the all-time greats and could easily be called the greatest character actor ever
But she secured five Best Actress nominations in a row in the early 1940s, a record matched only by Bette Davis. Extraordinary for a woman in her 40s, when Hollywood often wrote them off as A-listers.
1957 was the year the half-hour sitcom "The Real McCoys" premiered -- Walter Brennan played "Grandpappy Amos McCoy". Yet another one of those shows that changed networks midstream -- on ABC 1957-62, and on CBS during its final season, 1962-63. All about a farming family from Appalachia (West Virginia) who moved to southern California and took up farming in the San Fernando Valley, which in those days still had some rural areas left and wasn't yet all housing tracts. The show did surprisingly well in the ratings.
Ok, When Adolph guessed the Ziegfield Girls John Daly was taken back. The way that was guessed I have a feeling that Adolph had seen or heard something before the show, based on how unbelievably quick he got it and John's reaction. ( I have never seen a reaction like that)
Yes, definitely an odd reaction from John there. Also, notice the time later in the show where John loses concentration on the game and fails to record a "no" answer. It is Adolph's question and John is looking at him intently, with an odd expression. Another commenter mentions that Adolph's mask is slightly askew at some point. He may have been fiddling with his mask (off camera) during the game.
Yes, it seemed really suspicious that Adolph knew it was the Ziegfeld Girls right away. John stared at him and was speechless. I'll bet you John thought someone tipped Adolph off or Adolph knew it was them even before they came onstage.
I've got to say I was impressed with Walter Brennan's voice disguise -- he really had the panel on the ropes until Adolph Menjou managed to pull the correct guess out of the air.
It was a great disguise. Some of the Hollywood/tv egos would never allow that and would give sneaky hints so as to be guessed. If I'm not mistaken, AM appeared in a tv series called Mr. Topper which I used to watch.
Even more amazing was the way Menjou pulled the Ziegfelds out of his ass. Too incredible to be on the level. Elsewhere, at this moment in time, Herb Stempel was trying to convince somebody that game shows were rigged. I'm sure that Menjou knew his stuff in advance, but since there wasn't any substantial money involved, every winked at it.
@@jerrylee8261 Sorry, but you are mistaken. Adolphe Menjou appeared in many films and tv shows, but not Topper. Topper, Cosmo Topper, was portrayed by Leo G. Carroll. Mr Carroll would later portray Mr Waverly, head of U.N.C.L.E., on The Man from U.N.C.L.E.
I have watched practically every single WML that has been posted here from 1950 to the 1970s syndicated version, and the reason why I find Adolph Menjou's 2 correct guesses suspicious is because in both cases he doesn't indicate how he knew them. Most panelists, after guessing mystery guests correctly, usually say how they knew it was them.
The first one is hardly suspicious. Bennett asked if she had the type of figure that makes men wish they were younger and if she showed that figure off. She answered yes to both. Mr. Menjou asked if she worked in the theater, she said yes. He guessed showgirl and then clarified with Ziegfield showgirl as that would have been the most popular or well known at the time.
As for the second, there couldn't have been too many actors in town who had been in silent movies and westerns and won Oscars and played with Elizabeth Taylor whose middle name started with a letter in the first ten of the alphabet. Mr. Menjou was simply paying very good attention.
As I said on the previous episode, I like Bennet; sometimes I just think he tried too hard to be funny. However, I DID have to laugh when he said that John spoke such perfect English that half the time we don't know what he's talking about. Cause that's the truth!
I thought it interesting that during the mystery guest segment that Dorothy would ask if there was a stooge involved with answering the questions as ironically Walter Brennan appeared in a couple of 3 Stooges shorts before hitting it big as a movie actor.
Mr. Menjou, I notice, does not stand up to shake hands with Mr. Wendel. Tsk. (Did for Mr. Brennan. As for his guessing Mr. Brennan, it's not like he didn't have a metric pantload of information, by that point.) Mr. Wendel was racing until at least 1970, and died in 1981. There's a memorial pace race at the Maquoketa track in his name. ($2,350 purse.)
I've seen every episode so far, and to my recollection, this was only the third or fourth time they've had a contestant with a beard. For two of them, the beard was part of either their image or their livelihood. So this was only the first or second contestant who wore a beard as a natural part of his life. I made the comment then, and I'll say it again: as a beard-wearer, I can tell you that even now, in 2020, there is far more prejudice against beards than most people would believe. There are jobs I could not get, and families into which I could not marry, solely because I have a beard. It does not matter that my beard is close-cropped and clean-looking at all times. I have been discriminated against because of it.
I started growing a beard the day I retired. I would never shave it off. My wife didn't like it at first, but she likes it now. My daughter's loved it from day one. I can't imagine going without it especially now!
Go figure. Abraham Lincoln, Jesus … you’re in good company. I know how you feel though. Whenever someone made an unflattering remark about my facial hair, I’d point something odd about their appearance. Like their weight etc. They’d call me rude and I’d say same to you. 👌
Brennan actually STUMPED the panel, because John forgot to turn over a card. If you count this appearance as a stump, then he and Eartha Kitt, to my knowledge, are the only mystery guests to have stumped the panel 2 or more times in 17 plus years, am I correct?
Adolphe Menjou, as John Daly said, had just completed "Paths of Glory", one of the most powerful, intense, and upsetting films I've ever seen. He was superb (but nasty) in it. Walter Brennan also an amazing actor; yes,his series "The Real McCoy's" would debut in the fall of /57. Greer Garson also a real class act; she was guest speaker and honorary doctorate recipient at my graduation from the Cleveland Institute of Music in June, 1973...5o years ago this month. Why they chose a distinguished actress for a music Institute, I'll never know. LR
It is still strange to me even knowing how things were and how things are today... Mr. Wendell has a handsome face, different from the norm. But to hear the peoples reaction with laughter is still unsettling to me.
One of the very best episodes of WML what with Greer Garson, all the pretty girls, the highly memorable Chuck Wendel, and Walter Brennan's amazing vocal disguise. This episode correlates to another episode, in early January 1961, when guest panelist Rita Gam solved two of the sequences. She seemed legit. Frankly, I have for years suspected that Adolph Menjou knew something in advance or somehow cheated -- what with getting the showgirls so quickly and so thoroughly and then getting Brennan right at the end to such dramatic effect. I don't mean to be the suspicious type -- but there it is.
Walter Brennan (1894 -- 1974) was a veteran of WWI, with a field artillery regiment. During Walter Brennan's time on the Western Front, mustard gas damaged his vocal cords; consequently, he often spoke with a high pitched (reedy) voice.
So who among the modern set of actors will become the Walter Brennan of the 21st century? Popular for decades, got more popular with age, got better with age, and worked almost right up to the end. In both television and cinema, yet.
After watching this again, I realized something. Walter Brennan actually won the game and $50.00 because at 16:15 Walter got a "no" answer about being a comdian and John did not flip a card until the next "no" came along.
First they agree it is a large object, and then Dorothy asks if it is bigger than a bread box. Also, that there are barely any movable parts and then is it for transportation. Sometimes there is not consistency or listening when other panel members ask questions.
johnmacn I noticed that John had failed to turn over one no answer, which gave them an extra opportunity to guess Walter. I’ve watched many of these, that’s the first time I’ve seen him miss a turn.
If you would like to see Greer Garson in one of the greatest Victorian romances ever filmed you must seek out the stunning Technicolor movie: THAT FORSYTE WOMAN 1949. Also stars Errol Flynn and Walter Pidgeon!
Barbara Hall is the birth name of actress Barbara Feldon. IMDB credits Barbara Feldon with this appearance as a Ziegfeld showgirl. The voice sounds similar although not 100% certain for me. But her face and figure (especially the latter) seem fuller than the one sported by Agent 99. (Of course costumes can be padded there.) IMDB is not always accurate. I'm at sixes and sevens as to whether they are correct here.
It's frustrating. The name is the same and she didn't start using "Feldon" as her last name until she was married in 1958. The look and voice are similar enough that it can't be ruled out, but not similar enough that one can definitely say that it's her. If only it was as easy as picking out Valerie Harper, Beth Howland and Donna Douglas in the chorus from this number in "Li'l Abner". th-cam.com/video/_TfcJ82FAhw/w-d-xo.html
I just wish I had thought to have my friend who interviewed Barbara Feldon ask her about this, too, in addition to getting her denial about having ever sought out Dorothy's seat on the panel after Dorothy died!
+What's My Line? An interview earlier this month on Australian TV with Barbara Feldon to promote two appearances by her Down Under. About 3/4 of the way through the interview, she gives the story of how she almost became a classy stripper to pay the rent. From that, she segues into how she was a showgirl at one time. Alas, she doesn't mention being in the Ziegfeld follies or on WML in connection with it. There's also footage of the famous Top Brass commercial. th-cam.com/video/pp1SYTsvm2o/w-d-xo.html
To add my 2 cents to this discussion, I've paused at shots of Barbara Hall in several spots, while in another tab moving through the IMDB picture gallery of Barbara Feldon, and I'm convinced that they are one and the same person. The eyes, the shape of the jaw and the nose, the lips, and especially the cheekbones...all the same. Add in the fact that Barbara Feldon was born Barbara Hall and didn't marry Mr. Feldon until the year after this show, and I'd say the evidence is clear and convincing.
Ooh, the second challenge to enter: "the trotting horseman?"... What a good sport of a man THAT was!! 😂 And, forgive me for saying so, but without the beard and clean-cut... he would have been a "knockout"/ a very attractive man... 😁 And I loved the joke about him having the nerve to come on a show where it's sponsors advertise Remington -shaving (electrical)🎯👍. VERY FUNNY 💯‼️ Sincere regards,💐
John caused Brennan to lose in two ways. First he didn't turn over a card with one of the no answers. And secondly, when Dorothy said it was one of the greatest voice disguises of the year, John said "it sure is." Cluing in the panel that the mystery guest must have a very distinctive voice..
![What's My Line? - Buster Keaton; Ernie Kovacs [panel] (Sep 1, 1957)](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/x0mUPzGC8hw/mqdefault.jpg)
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![What's My Line? - Sammy Davis, Jr.; Errol Flynn [panel] (May 26, 1957)](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/uOC4IzEmhpU/mqdefault.jpg)
![What's My Line? - Mickey Rooney; Martin Gabel [panel] (May 5, 1957)](/img/n.gif)
Walter Brennan was one of the best mystery guests ever.
Greer Garson absolutely luminous.
Best voice disguise goes to Walter Brennan. Wow!
I agree. That is some range he had.
So funny! 😁👍
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So many mystery guests disguised their voices by imitating Walter Brennan I was anxious to see how he'd disguise his own. I have to say that was the most unlikely voice ever from a mystery guest and well-modulated.
I still can't believe how he did it , just brilliant .
I LOVE this show! When America had class and wit. Its one of greatest treasures of YT and a deserved hit with millions of viewers, Watch out its addictive but won't be time wasted!
windstorm1000 You should've posted that on Episode One of the first series. Most of us are watching chronologically and are dozens and dozens of episodes in by now!! :)
Definitely right about when America had class, decorum, and wit. And a good helping of common sense!
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Is Barbara Hall Barbara Feldon. (Get Smart)
Salute to Mr. Brennan for being one of the few guests on this show who actually knew how to use the microphone provided!
Lol
The question was asked to Walter Brennan "Are you a comedian?" "No" was the given answer from Walter Brennan, BUT John Daly did NOT turn the card so actually WALTER BRENNAN WON THE GAME!
Ms. Garson, Mr. Menjou, and Mr.Brennan on the same Show. Wow, what a coup. A terrific episode. I just love Walter Brennan, and he made life very difficult for the panel. Inspired guess at the end, but who cares. I couldn't stop smiling.
Mr. Brennan was the consummate character actor, amd it's often glossed over that he won three acting Oscars before anyone else did.
Back when Walter Brennan won those Oscars,he said the movie extras could vote and he was really popular with them and that's why he won.
I remember watching Walter Brennan on The Real McCoys sitcom and The Guns of Will Sonnett, but I'm ashamed to say I wasn't aware he won 3 Oscars, much less one!!
Love him on tv, and in movies, especially as the Patriarch of the Danby clan. Especially the scene at the jail, where his son, Joe (Bruce Dern), was being held, when Pa Danby (Walter Brennan) confronted the Sheriff (James Garner) by pointing his gun at the sheriff. The sheriff responded by sticking his finger into the barrel of Pa's gun.
@@rtususian My first exposure to Walter Brennan was at the ripe age of 3-4, when he was on _The Real McCoys._ I was 6 when _The Real McCoys_ was cancelled, so when they launched _The Guns of Will Sonnett_ I was excited to see him in a different role, because I only knew him as Grandpa Amos. I knew nothing of his movie career or awards (I couldn't -- I wasn't born yet).
@@echoecho3108 I think I remember that.
Holy smokes, Brennan's disguised voice is incredible. That's absolutely amazing. WOW! what an incredible diversion. Dang....
Barbara Hall, the main Ziegfeld girl was later known as Barbara Feldon, agent 99 in Get Smart.
Good catch!
Holy crap I had to go back to see! When she broke it into that smile, I could tell right away (after you mentioned first) it was her! Thanks for posting this.
@paul Hicks: Just like R R I had to take a second view of this episode to look at Ms. Hall. I must say, she looked truly different but none the less very lovely!
Wow!
I was in the bathroom brushing my teeth instead of watching and I kept thinking I knew the voice but couldn’t figure out why I would know the voice of a Ziegfield girl. Good catch. Now I know.
I thought Adolphe Menjou and Greer Garson, both did a good job and seemed really comfortable playing the game considering this was their first time they were guest panelists. I was surprised to learn this was their only appearance as a guest panelist. Wonder whey they never came back since the seemed like naturals?
Jeff Vaughn - I would suspect in both cases it was near the end of the years when both these fine actors were spending much time in NYC, so it just never worked out for them again, as it might have had they been at home in Europe or in L.A. Some of this was just access, timing. They were both extraordinary and were the types of cultured artists who would have known Walter Brennan's work well, so a tribute to his voice disguise that they did not guess him without a hint of his sound.
This is late in coming but thank you Mr Brennan for so many memorable movie roles and even Grandpappy Amos on the 'Real McCoys'
LOVED that show!
I did love Greer Garson she came up with one of the best question since Steve Allen's breadbox!!
Mr Brennan actually stumped the panel. Mr. Daly missed a NO with the are you a comedian question. Love this show.
"Well he's obviously not a collars salesmen" Greer is so funny!
The panel was so well able to guess the occupation because they were smart and also because they were aware of the world events and the people involved in them.
Well said Ryan!!
Exactly well stated 😊
Greer Garson is absolutely stunning. I've always loved her since I saw her portrayal of Queen Elizabeth. She's so beautiful. So elegant. Very refined.
I love, love Greer Garson and always have. She's so stunning and elegant. Plus, I've wanted to comment on this for a while now, but I love all the shiny sparkle that glitters from the women's clothing, whether it's the Ziegfeld Girls costumes, or even Dorothy or Arlene and their clothing and jewelry, and that blonde school teacher a few episodes back, most of the women, just so stunning and flashy. Beautiful to watch! Thank you for uploading! It's so lovely to see.
And the white gloves!
The ladies always looked as if they were just stopping by after attending a cocktail party.
Dorothy is a stunning looking woman at this stage of her life.
She's so pretty. I love the little nose scrunch she does at 13:34.
One of my very favorite character actors for my entire childhood and as an adult.
Greer Garson is STUNNING!!!
Walter Brennan is one of 'the great' character actors of all time
He was so good as Granpappy Amos that it was amazing to see him walk without a limp! :)
More comments about the show being rigged.
ENOUGH ALREADY!!
So sad that so many of these wonderful people have passed away....RIP.
Thanks again for posting these great memories.
Jim Beasley Thank you, Jim-- I find it very annoying, yes. I find it particularly annoying when this comes from people who only watched an episode or two and are absolutely **convinced** that they can see through the deception that didn't exist. I usually don't bother replying to these comments anymore, because most of the time people are unwilling to listen to the simple rational argument that they didn't rig the show because it would have **ruined** the spontaneity that was essential to its entertainment value. People believe what they want to .
What's My Line? It most certainly was NOT rigged..but maybe you have to be old enough to remember the show. Mr Cerf got many of the mystery guests because he knows which stars were in the area at any given moment
satori cmaylo I was born 5 years after the show was cancelled. I think it's more relevant that a person have the capacity for critical thought than that they were old enough to have seen the show in its original run. :)
What's My Line? I think it very unlikely to presume the show was rigged. Never ever where so much fun in it. And i have seen many of the show now and long ago as Kid in Germany also. One cannot fake this. And by the way, all members of the panel have occasionally flash Ideas (can one say this so in english?) Sometimes, often enough, wrong and sometimes like Adolph Menjou right.
P.S. Greer Garson looks marvelous, i like her personality and also her acting.
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Wow! I always loved Walter in that one western he played in on tv. Never saw him dressed and clean shaven. I like his energy and persona. I’m probably his age in this video, now. I find him attractive, both physically and energy. Nice eyes and demeanor:)
I will have to look him up, as I had no idea that he had won 3 Oscars, too!
This panel made it more interesting.
And I love Dorothy in the light hair, so flattering for her.
I can't get over how long Chuck Wendel's hair was for the time. Wearing a full-beard was uncommon but not unheard of in 1957, but his hair - wow.
I didn't like Dorothy's snarky comment about him being out of season as Santa Claus, but I thought Bennett's comment about having nerve coming on to a TV show sponsored by Remington-Rand was pretty funny.
@jtx38. I thought that both Dorothy Kilgallen and Bennett Cerf were funny with their comments about him. Lol.
@@rtususian unfortunately, Dorothy is routinely petty towards contestants if she feels they are below her...that's what gave you that initial impression.
'Mountain man' look, but in canonicals he would pass as a rabbi.
Loved the comment by Bennett about coming on a Remington shave programme! 😀
Best line: Bennett "Mr. Wendel, I admire your nerve..." What a hoot!
Dorothy introduces Adolphe Menjou and says he had just returned from Germany where he had made the movie "Paths of Glory" with Kirk Douglas and directed by Stanley Kubrick. 0:50
The Ziegfeld follies ran continuously in New York City from 1907 to 1931, with revivals in 1934, 1936, 1943 and 1957. Walter Pidgeon wasn't able to appear as a guest panelist in this episode of WML due to laryngitis, but 11 years later he would portray Florenz Ziegfeld in the film version of "Funny Girl" with Barbara Streisand as Fanny Brice, who starred in the Ziegfeld Follies for many years. 1957 was the last year the Ziegfel Follies ever appeared.
All of the jewellery the Ziegfeld's are wearing was designed and hand made by Hobe. A lot of the stars also bought and wore his jewellery and appeared in advertising for his jewellery, Elizabeth Taylor for one. I have a couple of his pieces, and they are quite collectable and can go for a high price.
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Steam cabinet for reducing. Did they work?
Never missed The Real McCoys when I was little in mid 60s. Grandpa was my fav. Didn't know he went back as far as silent films.
I looked up "Ziegfeld Follies" and BEA ARTHUR is listed as a girl in 1956.
OMG!
Greer looks beautiful!
Greer Garson is beautiful. Check her history. Wow! K
Greer Garson was STUNNING!
Such a jolly show! I picture the 1950s contestants thinking "Wow! I'm getting 50 whole dollars!"
In the year 1950, the United States minimum wage was $0.75. This is equivalent to $8.28 in 2021 dollars.
Walter Brennan was so entertaining. His fake voice was the best! 👍
My wife and i watched this a lot. One of our favorites.
Walter Brennan! Now *there* was a character actor
Greer Garson seems to have studied the mimics and ways of asking questions by Arlene Francis very well. The only thing that was missing was a sparkling diamant heart....
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I've always wondered what happened to that necklace after it was violently stolen from her neck all those years ago.
+What's My Line? Just letting you know that there are some of us who just recently found this treasure trove of WML.
It is just not right seeing Walter Brennan walk across the stage without his classic "Real McCoys" walk.
If he had used that walk no one would have known what it was since this show was broadcast before The Real McCoys began.
When I was young I used to think, why does he walk that way? Now I'm 63 and it's sparkling clear to me why he walked that way.
@@Jeff121456 but who cares for accuracy?
I guess I am an old guy as I used to love to watch any film where Walter Brennan acted in. To those of you too young to remember, please find his films and enjoy.
Oh my heart the delectable Greer Garson! I love, love, love her!
Man, Adolphe Menjou was very good for a guest panel member... and so was Greer Garson with the questioning.
The Barbara Hall who answers the questions for the Ziegfeld Girls latter became known as Barbara Feldon. That's according to IMDB. IBDB (Internet broadway data base) has her as a different Barbara Hall but if you freeze-frame it when she tilts her head, I think IMDB is right. She would have been 24.
I've paused at shots of Barbara Hall in several spots, while in another tab moving through the IMDB picture gallery of Barbara Feldon, and I'm convinced that they are one and the same person. The eyes, the shape of the jaw and the nose, the lips, and especially the cheekbones...all the same. Add in the fact that Barbara Feldon was born Barbara Hall and didn't marry Mr. Feldon until the year after this show, and I'd say the evidence is clear and convincing.
I saw it in the way she looked to the right and tilted her head. This was quite a few years before Get Smart.
I wouldn't have recognized Barbara Feldon. Thanks for the tip, Casey.
@MrUhwoody - go back & listen to her voice with your eyes closed for the segment. It’s unmistakably Barbara Feldon.
definitely best voice disguise of the show - how the hell did that guy pull it out of his butt to guess? I think he peeked! brennan was one of the all-time greats and could easily be called the greatest character actor ever
Agree.. he guessed the showgirls awfully quick .. then just pulled the last 1 out the air .
Exactly...how indeed
I love how John makes a point to say that one of the Ziegfeld Girls is a redhead as he's introducing them.
It's "funny" that I saw, o n tv today, pone of Greer Garson's greatest movies "Mrs. Miniver", the only movie that she WON the Oscar for.
But she secured five Best Actress nominations in a row in the early 1940s, a record matched only by Bette Davis. Extraordinary for a woman in her 40s, when Hollywood often wrote them off as A-listers.
1957 was the year the half-hour sitcom "The Real McCoys" premiered -- Walter Brennan played "Grandpappy Amos McCoy". Yet another one of those shows that changed networks midstream -- on ABC 1957-62, and on CBS during its final season, 1962-63. All about a farming family from Appalachia (West Virginia) who moved to southern California and took up farming in the San Fernando Valley, which in those days still had some rural areas left and wasn't yet all housing tracts. The show did surprisingly well in the ratings.
LOVED watching The Real McCoys- also starring a very young Richard Crenna as Luke!
Ok, When Adolph guessed the Ziegfield Girls John Daly was taken back. The way that was guessed I have a feeling that Adolph had seen or heard something before the show, based on how unbelievably quick he got it and John's reaction. ( I have never seen a reaction like that)
Yes, definitely an odd reaction from John there.
Also, notice the time later in the show where John loses concentration on the game and fails to record a "no" answer. It is Adolph's question and John is looking at him intently, with an odd expression.
Another commenter mentions that Adolph's mask is slightly askew at some point. He may have been fiddling with his mask (off camera) during the game.
He guessed Walter Brennan too, and nobody asked him how.
Yes, it seemed really suspicious that Adolph knew it was the Ziegfeld Girls right away. John stared at him and was speechless. I'll bet you John thought someone tipped Adolph off or Adolph knew it was them even before they came onstage.
I've got to say I was impressed with Walter Brennan's voice disguise -- he really had the panel on the ropes until Adolph Menjou managed to pull the correct guess out of the air.
I don't think it was the air that he pulled it out of.
Yea...funny how that would happen...
It was a great disguise. Some of the Hollywood/tv egos would never allow that and would give sneaky hints so as to be guessed.
If I'm not mistaken, AM appeared in a tv series called Mr. Topper which I used to watch.
Even more amazing was the way Menjou pulled the Ziegfelds out of his ass. Too incredible to be on the level. Elsewhere, at this moment in time, Herb Stempel was trying to convince somebody that game shows were rigged. I'm sure that Menjou knew his stuff in advance, but since there wasn't any substantial money involved, every winked at it.
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Sorry, but you are mistaken. Adolphe Menjou appeared in many films and tv shows, but not Topper.
Topper, Cosmo Topper, was portrayed by Leo G. Carroll. Mr Carroll would later portray Mr Waverly, head of U.N.C.L.E., on The Man from U.N.C.L.E.
Wow, Greer Garson could pass for Arlene’s sister in both voice and looks here. Bravo!
No, I disagree.
@@lynettepalecek3141 funny, I don’t remember asking for your opinion.
@@L4sleeko So what?
Walter Brennan was great in "Support Your Local Sheriff" "To Have and Have Not" & "How The West Was Won"
And “Rio Bravo”. Saw it again on TV the other night.
one of the great character actors in the history of film
"Was you ever bit by a dead bee?" :)
Greer Garson - "...this most alarming panel..." haha.
Unlike so many stars, Walter Brennan was married only once, for 54 years. Wonderful!
I have watched practically every single WML that has been posted here from 1950 to the 1970s syndicated version, and the reason why I find Adolph Menjou's 2 correct guesses suspicious is because in both cases he doesn't indicate how he knew them. Most panelists, after guessing mystery guests correctly, usually say how they knew it was them.
Adolph guesses were definitely suspicious
The first one is hardly suspicious. Bennett asked if she had the type of figure that makes men wish they were younger and if she showed that figure off. She answered yes to both. Mr. Menjou asked if she worked in the theater, she said yes. He guessed showgirl and then clarified with Ziegfield showgirl as that would have been the most popular or well known at the time.
As for the second, there couldn't have been too many actors in town who had been in silent movies and westerns and won Oscars and played with Elizabeth Taylor whose middle name started with a letter in the first ten of the alphabet. Mr. Menjou was simply paying very good attention.
@andreaplummer3841 Exactly 😊
Give Walter Brennan # 1 on the disguise voice....
As I said on the previous episode, I like Bennet; sometimes I just think he tried too hard to be funny. However, I DID have to laugh when he said that John spoke such perfect English that half the time we don't know what he's talking about. Cause that's the truth!
Greer Garson, in addition to being beautiful, has the most beautiful speaking voice ever, to my ears.
Best voice
Greer Garson looks absolutely stunning here.
Walter Brennan was a great one.
Greer Garson could replace Arlene Francis on this show in a heartbeat! Smart, beautiful and extremely charming!
Why not have both😊
Walter Brennan seems like he was a really nice fellow.
19:00 "Have you ever won an Oscar" -- Should have answered "Maybe 1 or 2 or 3 haha"
That would have given it away.
Adolph menjou was a
Spectacular panelist.
I thought it interesting that during the mystery guest segment that Dorothy would ask if there was a stooge involved with answering the questions as ironically Walter Brennan appeared in a couple of 3 Stooges shorts before hitting it big as a movie actor.
Really big...he won 3 Oscars.
Jeff Vaughn never knew he did any Stooges films..cool
Dorothy’s gown is stunning.
So dear...Walter Brennan bowed to John Daly...
Mr. Menjou, I notice, does not stand up to shake hands with Mr. Wendel. Tsk. (Did for Mr. Brennan. As for his guessing Mr. Brennan, it's not like he didn't have a metric pantload of information, by that point.)
Mr. Wendel was racing until at least 1970, and died in 1981. There's a memorial pace race at the Maquoketa track in his name. ($2,350 purse.)
Wow a panel where Arlene isn't on it? I don't think I've seen one of those.
Hope Sears they mentioned on the week before show that Arlene and Martin were taking a holiday to celebrate their anniversary
I've seen every episode so far, and to my recollection, this was only the third or fourth time they've had a contestant with a beard. For two of them, the beard was part of either their image or their livelihood. So this was only the first or second contestant who wore a beard as a natural part of his life. I made the comment then, and I'll say it again: as a beard-wearer, I can tell you that even now, in 2020, there is far more prejudice against beards than most people would believe. There are jobs I could not get, and families into which I could not marry, solely because I have a beard. It does not matter that my beard is close-cropped and clean-looking at all times. I have been discriminated against because of it.
I started growing a beard the day I retired. I would never shave it off. My wife didn't like it at first, but she likes it now. My daughter's loved it from day one. I can't imagine going without it especially now!
Go figure. Abraham Lincoln, Jesus … you’re in good company. I know how you feel though. Whenever someone made an unflattering remark about my facial hair, I’d point something odd about their appearance. Like their weight etc. They’d call me rude and I’d say same to you. 👌
Brennan actually STUMPED the panel, because John forgot to turn over a card.
If you count this appearance as a stump, then he and Eartha Kitt, to my knowledge, are the only mystery guests to have stumped the panel 2 or more times in 17 plus years, am I correct?
He played 'Stumpy' in 'Rio Bravo'.
moggs Good one!
@Frank Santore. No, they were NOT the only ones.
John Daly forgot to flip the card for a no when Walter Brennan was asked if he was a comedian. If he did the panel would have lost.
Adolphe Menjou, as John Daly said, had just completed "Paths of Glory", one of the most powerful, intense, and upsetting films I've ever seen. He was superb (but nasty) in it. Walter Brennan also an amazing actor; yes,his series "The Real McCoy's" would debut in the fall of /57. Greer Garson also a real class act; she was guest speaker and honorary doctorate recipient at my graduation from the Cleveland Institute of Music in June, 1973...5o years ago this month. Why they chose a distinguished actress for a music Institute, I'll never know. LR
It is still strange to me even knowing how things were and how things are today... Mr. Wendell has a handsome face, different from the norm. But to hear the peoples reaction with laughter is still unsettling to me.
Very radical for 1957
One of the very best episodes of WML what with Greer Garson, all the pretty girls, the highly memorable Chuck Wendel, and Walter Brennan's amazing vocal disguise.
This episode correlates to another episode, in early January 1961, when guest panelist Rita Gam solved two of the sequences. She seemed legit. Frankly, I have for years suspected that Adolph Menjou knew something in advance or somehow cheated -- what with getting the showgirls so quickly and so thoroughly and then getting Brennan right at the end to such dramatic effect. I don't mean to be the suspicious type -- but there it is.
18:18 he's peaking cheating
Mr. Menjou had amazing instincts !
Ohmigosh! John forgot to flip a card for a "no" response on Walter Brennan! An uncharacteristic error that no one called him on.
Agent 99?! I thought she looked familiar but was completely baffled. I loved her on "Get Smart"...copied her hairstyles and clothes for years.😮😊❤
Walter Brennan (1894 -- 1974) was a veteran of WWI, with a field artillery regiment. During Walter Brennan's time on the Western Front, mustard gas damaged his vocal cords; consequently, he often spoke with a high pitched (reedy) voice.
So who among the modern set of actors will become the Walter Brennan of the 21st century? Popular for decades, got more popular with age, got better with age, and worked almost right up to the end. In both television and cinema, yet.
So right. Walter was always one of my favourite actors. A very endearing man.
Don Clark
I agree, but lately I've started to walk like him. (with the elbow action)
No one. Today’s “stars” = zero real talent, zero staying power, zero integrity & zero brain power.
After watching this again, I realized something. Walter Brennan actually won the game and $50.00 because at 16:15 Walter
got a "no" answer about being a comdian and John did not flip a card until the next "no" came along.
Mr Daly’s eye rolls are epic!
First they agree it is a large object, and then Dorothy asks if it is bigger than a bread box. Also, that there are barely any movable parts and then is it for transportation. Sometimes there is not consistency or listening when other panel members ask questions.
Walter did a good job of disguising his voice.
He had "many voices"!😅
With Brennan and 9 down, Dorothy passed. She never wanted to get the final "no."
This was when few men wore facial hair. The audience seemed to have reacted to the contestant's beard.
Did you count the No's? There were 10 before they guessed who he was. He had stumped them.
johnmacn
I noticed that John had failed to turn over one no answer, which gave them an extra opportunity to guess Walter. I’ve watched many of these, that’s the first time I’ve seen him miss a turn.
It seems like the ordinary guest is now getting to shake hands with the panel on the way out. Noticed it with the steam cabinet reducing lady.
Too bad Walter Pidgeon had laryngytis, but wow--"replacement " Adolphe Menjou ain't too shabby! I'm always amazed at the caliber of guest panelists
If you would like to see Greer Garson in one of the greatest Victorian romances ever filmed you must seek out the stunning Technicolor movie:
THAT FORSYTE WOMAN 1949.
Also stars Errol Flynn and Walter Pidgeon!
Mr Menjou is physic and Barbara Hall is in fact Barbara Feldon.
This is the second time I've seen Mr Brennan on this show, just wondering how many times he appeared
SHOWGIRLS IN CURRENT ZIEGFELD FOLLIES
DRIVES TROTTING RACE HORSES
MAKES STEAM CABINETS FOR REDUCING
I love the beard-stroking :)
Not a huge fan of Dorothy, but at 13:34 she gives off the cutest little nose lift I have ever seen!!!
Barbara Hall is the birth name of actress Barbara Feldon. IMDB credits Barbara Feldon with this appearance as a Ziegfeld showgirl. The voice sounds similar although not 100% certain for me. But her face and figure (especially the latter) seem fuller than the one sported by Agent 99. (Of course costumes can be padded there.)
IMDB is not always accurate. I'm at sixes and sevens as to whether they are correct here.
I've never been able to determine if this was Barbara Feldon or not.
It's frustrating. The name is the same and she didn't start using "Feldon" as her last name until she was married in 1958. The look and voice are similar enough that it can't be ruled out, but not similar enough that one can definitely say that it's her.
If only it was as easy as picking out Valerie Harper, Beth Howland and Donna Douglas in the chorus from this number in "Li'l Abner".
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I just wish I had thought to have my friend who interviewed Barbara Feldon ask her about this, too, in addition to getting her denial about having ever sought out Dorothy's seat on the panel after Dorothy died!
+What's My Line?
An interview earlier this month on Australian TV with Barbara Feldon to promote two appearances by her Down Under. About 3/4 of the way through the interview, she gives the story of how she almost became a classy stripper to pay the rent. From that, she segues into how she was a showgirl at one time.
Alas, she doesn't mention being in the Ziegfeld follies or on WML in connection with it.
There's also footage of the famous Top Brass commercial.
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To add my 2 cents to this discussion, I've paused at shots of Barbara Hall in several spots, while in another tab moving through the IMDB picture gallery of Barbara Feldon, and I'm convinced that they are one and the same person. The eyes, the shape of the jaw and the nose, the lips, and especially the cheekbones...all the same. Add in the fact that Barbara Feldon was born Barbara Hall and didn't marry Mr. Feldon until the year after this show, and I'd say the evidence is clear and convincing.
Ooh, the second challenge to enter: "the trotting horseman?"... What a good sport of a man THAT was!! 😂 And, forgive me for saying so, but without the beard and clean-cut... he would have been a "knockout"/ a very attractive man... 😁
And I loved the joke about him having the nerve to come on a show where it's sponsors advertise Remington -shaving (electrical)🎯👍. VERY FUNNY 💯‼️
Sincere regards,💐
John caused Brennan to lose in two ways. First he didn't turn over a card with one of the no answers. And secondly, when Dorothy said it was one of the greatest voice disguises of the year, John said "it sure is." Cluing in the panel that the mystery guest must have a very distinctive voice..
Hey John missed one "no".
Yes! Walter Brennan actually stumped the panel.
C'est la vie! 😉