Disappointed of your QB going down? Disappointed of making a playoffs 2 yrs in a row? Disappointed of a winning record 4yrs in a row? Disappointed of finally having worthy QB? I’m trying to understand exactly what you’re disappointed about?
Both of you guys preached ALL OFFSEASON that playing Tua on the 5th year option was the safe move, multiple times using this EXACT SCENARIO as a reason why. It's a damn shame it came true, but man does this front office look like complete idiots right now.
@@123KevinJohn Then the Dolphins should have let him hold out and should have planned ahead by bringing in a more competent back up QB. Not only did you have him on the 5th, but you also could threaten him with the franchise tag 2025. His only leverage was threatening to ruin the 2025 season. And how did that turn now? Our season is STILL ruined and now we are on the hook for 120-160 million.
It's the gamble a team takes. The whole issue here, is that with Ryan Tannehill, we knew, he was not going to get better. He shoud have NEVER been paid. Fins front office knew this and should allowed him to walk, and get the comp pick. Draft a QB in that draft or get on via Free agency OR both. With Tua Tagovailoa, he showed flashes, and gotten better every year. And yet again..what was the Dolphins backup plan? Plus, Coach McDaniel was brought in specifically for Tua Tagovailoa. So both Coach & QB are now bound. Well, that may change.
Idk, that 1999 playoff loss to the Jags, was really bad. And we had a better defense too. That game forced Marino not only to retire but Coach Jimmy Johnson to quit. The organization would never be the same. It literally marked the end of an era. This loss was really bad but if Tua never played again, McDaniel still has his job. And the defense, is by no means, great or good. It's average, imho.
@@drewstar412 yeah I remember that jags game ... That jags game ,the Loss in New England in 2002 last game of the year,last year vs buffalo at home,... I just feel like last night was maybe the end of an era and back to square 1 with no QB and a possible rebuild
Give up guys, stop paying this horrible organization until they fix it. The reason Dolphins have stink for + 20 years is the complacent fans. Owners only make changes if their wallet is affected 🤷🏻♂️
Agreed! We need a GM who understands the importance of prioritizing the line rather than making it an after thought. We need a GM who understands the importance of drafting smartly rather than relying on signing past their prime free agents. We need a GM who demonstrates some sense of urgency in breaking this team's quarter century drought in playoff wins. Nothing will fundamentally change for this team without a fundamental change in the front office.
We could have drafted Worthy in the draft. Wr with 2.3 speed faster than Tyreek. But no we took a project in Chop. KC snapped him up fast and he’s lighting up the nfl
Grier has ruined this team with his mistakes. Said "there was no money" for Wilkins and Hunt, then gives out several huge contracts. Going to be a long season, with or without Tua
I always tell people its the Oline for many fucking year. Its why we was in last place last year for time to throw. Its why Tua has to throw it fast because of lack oline
Bills fan here. First off, prayers for Tua and his family. The decision is ultimately up to him, but I do hope he takes his own mother's advice this time. With that being said, keep your heads up Phins nation. When one door closes, another door opens. Let's go Buffalo!
@danjay84 have to say as a dolfan I appreciate the sentiment from our arch rival fans . It's kinda heartbreaking to see injuries like this happen to any player let alone Tua 😔
The most upsetting thing is that all sadly predictable. The team with the most concussion prone qb can't be the same team with an undersized, oft injured less than talented starting oline. When Hill and Waddle are open, it's great. When they're not? It's a problem. It's not enough to get the ball out fast. You need to make sure your fragile QB isn't getting murdered when he needs to go to other receivers. Grier’s cavalier approach to the oline (and trenches in general) is a horrible matchup for a guy like Tua. It’s been this way for years. All our olines get pushed around and tonight the Bills tooks out the QB and two lineman. When is this madness gonna end with these horrible oline builds???
McDaniel was simply out coached. The good teams play 2 deep safety’s and take away the one trick pony. From there it’s all screens even in the redzone. The playbook is so narrow.
@@ghstfce I don't think so, from how he talks about Tua I think that he truly cares about him. But he did say that CG was mocking them worried about the O-line
Tua is not and will never be a complete NFL quarterback, the complete collapse of this team the past two years in December should be adequate to illustrate this. He cannot extend plays, he cannot put the Dolphins on his back against quality teams and win, the fact he got a fat contract extension only shows that Ross and Grier lack the mindset to make winning decisions. Another forgotten example, the Dolphins once had Dan Campbell on the coaching staff and as an interim head coach and let him get away. I have been a Dolphins fan for over 50 years and the health of this organization is not good, if fact this organization is not even mediocre.
Alain Poupart, 100% I won't say, that Tua Tagovailoa should retire. You nailed it. It's his choice, nor is our place as fans to make the knee jerk decision. And it's not being insensitive nor cruel hearted. It's facts. We are not Tua Tagovailoa nor know all the information that he is getting, from medical staff. Tua Tagovailoa, will make the best choice he has to make for himself and his family. Prayers and Good Thoughts, go out to him, and fans just have to accept any choice he makes.
I love Tua and wish him the best recovery! I've always been supportive of him being our QB. We now have to imagine the team without him, even if long term and I think Mac Jones (if attainable) would make this situation less disastrous and he'd keep us competing in the AFC East, & could be our future! He was arguably the best QB in the Jaguars camp and in the preseason. He's very smart, as athletic as Tua, and would pick this offense up in very short order! If Shanahan didn't have Purdy, he'd be on the 49ers roster! The problems in NE were 'their' issues and that's become apparent. It would be like a re-do on choosing a 1st round QB, and wouldn't cost much.
The fact that McDaniel not only hasn’t been able to scheme something up for this defense that McDermott and other top teams employ against, and has seemingly gotten worse is so concerning
@@ronlee2611 I agree to an extent; but let’s think deeper. Ross has no issue spending money, and Grier has proven that he can and will pull the trigger on big time FA’s and or trades right? That leads me to believe that He was told by McDaniel, no we’re good here get me some depth pieces. If McDaniel said listen, we cannot win unless we have a fantastic O-line, we really think Hunt wouldn’t have been signed back, and we wouldn’t have made another move or 2 on the o-line?
after 3 years and coach can't build a solid OL is a disappointment, the offensive playcalling has been a disappointment, for GM and HC to ignore the OL is now coming back to hurt the team.
@@6193asnf Offensive Lines are the hardest thing in football to assemble and hold onto. You need six or seven good players that have played together for awhile to have a good OL. And now a great Offensive tackle costs you over $10M a year. It ain't easy.
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. Thanks Chris Grier and Mike McDaniel. Feel bad for Tua, but unless Mr. Ross cleans house, the team is destined for continued failure.
People were saying Grier won't get fired even if the team has a bad season. Ross will fire someone and has a bullet with Grier's name on it. Hyde used the correct word.. malpractice.
Is anybody really surprised where we are at? Drafting a slow injury prone weak armed QB was a mistake. Then signing that QB to a long term contract borders on incompetence. Final straw is having zero backup plan for the inevitable. A visionary Grier is not....
The Dolphins organization is all about hope. Hope Tua can stay healthy, hope McDaniels becomes a better coach, hope the offensive line develops etc. You don't win playoffs or superbowls with that mentality
I’m not giving up picks for Jimmy G only to see him get hurt within a few games. He’s always hurt and our offensive line stinks. But I do agree with Dave. We should have had a better backup plan. Everyone killed the Jets last year for not having a good backup. This is no different.
Grier is the problem mostly. Ross only cares about the 💰. McDaniel is horrible in game adjustments and managing timeouts. He might have to give up playcalling.
I appreciate you two being honest about Tua all summer and this episode. All other beat reports coddling Tua because he is a “nice” guy. His stats against top teams and his durability concerns did not warrant this mega contract.
I heard a podcast, that , if Grier were to get fired, then Brandon Shore would replace him. And, the same ole same ole, would continue. It's time to either promote Marvin Allen or Reggie McKenzie. it's time for those guys, who actually have an eye for talent, to get this on the right track. Hiring outside the organization, I'd have to do research.
It’s time to hire a young, smart GM and let him run the team. Let him pick his own coach - if wants to keep McDaniel - fine. If not - fine. Too many cooks spoil the soup. I’m tired of firing the coach but keeping the GM. Or firing the GM and keeping the coach. Ross should have pried Harbaugh away from Michigan while he had the chance. I don’t know but whatever this is - it ain’t working. Losing is one thing but to get embarrassed in big games over and over. No good.
@@jimhall2924 and he had a connection with Harbaugh, ( Michigan), but Ross always goes cheap, when hiring coaches( all of his coaches ,had no experience , that's a recipe for disaster, and then throw in the idiot Grier, = zero playoff wins,
It is also coaching and GM making mistakes. Hill & Waddle nothing else. Ross signs OB knowing he is injured. Waiver Wire WR pickups; nobody wants and did not know the plays leaving Tua hanging for the whole time he was playing. Hill & Smythe had bad games Slipping, missing blocks. Downfield threat TE Jonnu Smith being used as a fullback. TV hosts question McDaniel end game tactics. McDaniel just can't adjust to game problems in real time. Teams have cracked the McDaniel cheat code early this year. Will not improve.
Everyone gets injured. We sign OBJ, on IR, we draft Tahj Washington and he gets hurt in camp, we draft Malik Washington and he's out the 1st 2 games, Cracraft injured in the 1st preseason game, Eze injured neck. Mostert injured, Wynn injured, Armstead injured, Robert Jones injured, Wilson got injured last night and of course, Tua.
@@pauldelray5839 Some are old, some are injury prone, and some just lack the toughness needed to be an impact player in the NFL. You might be right, tho. To stay in football shape you need to play football all the time.
Thank you Dave Hide !!! Chris Greer is the problem ! Why does this guy get to survive ? As smart as Ross is , can he be this inept at recognizing that Greer is a first class A- kisser who never accepts full responsibility for his actions . Why is he on the chopping block ? Please somebody talk some sense into Ross and fire this guy . He had a litany of draft capitol, and an unlimited Check book . How incompetent a this guy be . As a lifelong Dolphin fan ( since 1981 ) I wish I wasn’t such a loyal person and choose another team to root for .
As you know the reason why Chris Grier survives, is because he rarely will make a higher draft pick. He will say "the head coach wanted this pick" so, when that pick does not pan out, the blame shifts to the head coach. Which, both are to blame. Grier can't draft, and the head coach (Flores mostly, McDaniel to a lesser extent), don't have an eye for talent. 2020 should have been the year, that the Oline got fixed. I get so sick of, come draft time, and all the Fins fans, are going gaga over all the draft picks. Do they forget that Grier's track record is not very good? It's like holding our breath. I have a saying...No fan of a team should have a better mock draft, than an actual GM.
This is Football, there is no way to avoid getting hit. Wether next week next month or next year he is going to take another hit and what if he doesn't get up. Its just a game he needs to retire
It’s not just one game. We are approaching the better part of a decade where this organization completely owns us. We are no closer to beating them than we were with the last 3-4 coaches ago. It’s time for these guys to step aside if this is the best they can do. It was a truly pathetic effort.
With the situation not being great obviously and leaving trades out of it, i'm inclined to think C.J. Beathard would be a good pickup. He played with McDaniel in San Francisco, so at least there is familiarity with the offense.
It was probably the worst day in the history of the Miami Dolphins. Very Sad day for us. Stephen Ross, you did your very best for the team, and Im sorry for you ad well.
Its because of the idiot Ross, what happened last nite- a good owner would not keep an incompetent gm like Grier so long, and no way they guarantee 160 mill to a fragile qb,
Poupart was right and many were wrong, and only losers will argue about the specifics, but if we had not drafted Tua we would not be in this position today. That fact is absolutely undeniable
The guys getting paid are getting roasted or toasted. Ramsey roasted!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tua toasted...............McDaniel incompetent by game design, clock management, basic 101 play calling at best coordinator material, not a leader of men.........Grier playing Monopoly with Mr. Ross's money trading and wasting assets. Bottom line PATHETIC minus TUA pray for Tua.
I think that if MM really cares for Tua he should convince him to just go home and take care of his family. At some point they NEED to deal with a young QB and address the trenches
That play you are talking about Alain is Stefon Diggs on X in the end zone. I think Diggs feel down after all the maneuvering and X thought he was done but he came across the end zone and JA connected with him
Buffalo only had 247 yards on offense for the following reasons: 1. Miami turnovers set up short fields or directly led to a score. 2. The Bills went vanilla on offense up 31-10 with 9:00 minutes left in the 3rd quarter. 3. A pick 6 on defense and a 49 yard run by Cook resulted in the Bills only running 42 plays minus the kneel downs and barely 23 minutes of possession time. The Bills averaged 6 yards per play and Allen had over 100 yards passing early in the 2nd quarter and executed a key 4th down play and a 3rd and 12 play that led to a first and goal at the 1 yard line. If Allen had to do more, I'm pretty sure he would have.
Everyone gets injured. We sign OBJ, on IR, we draft Tahj Washington and he gets hurt in camp, we draft Malik Washington and he's out the 1st 2 games, Cracraft injured in the 1st preseason game, Eze injured neck. Mostert injured, Wynn injured, Armstead injured, Robert Jones injured, Jeff Wilson got injured last night and of course, Tua. This team is old, and overpaid. They pay a qb a big, top 3 contract who finished 1 full season, who never won a division title or playoff game and has a concussion history. We're already down Chubb, Philips is working his way back, Poyer is 33, Armstead 33, Calais 38, Ramsey paid a top 3 deal and he's 30, Hill a top 3 deal and he's 30. They spend all this money and have no insurance plan just in case your big money, fragile qb gets injured behind an average to below average oline. Poor decision making in the front office and outright negligence by risking the present and future of your franchise with such irresponsible decisions and no vision. This wreaks of a desperate front office scrambling to save their jobs by putting together a roster full of aging, injury prone, washed up players in the twilight of their careers.
...and yet, all of these flaws a fan with zero access to the team could tell you were ripe to turn rotten. So, how incompetent was all this "ass saving"??
Dave Hyde is heading down the right path. He's telling you somthing was wrong with the roster . Dave is telling you somthing is wrong in his words doesn't make sense!
When we got rid of Ireland we cleaned house instead of Grier. Everyone should have gone. Grier grew up under Ireland and bought into his money all strategy. He always thinks he can get cheap labor that’s almost as good. They aren’t. He finally figured out he needs stars so he signed the. What he didn’t figure out is how to draft WELL and make that cheap labor. Rejects and old injured players should not be the cheap labor. Before last year we only had 2 draft picks after 5 years. Most traumas half their team is draft picks. This is griers problem. He drafts people not even on the board and thinks he knows better
I would love to see the NFL institute some kind of buy back program. Basically, if the player decides to leave the league, the NFL pays a portion or 100% of the guaranteed salary. The team is free or any and all cap implications. Lastly, the team gets back the draft pick that they used on the player. This way the NFL wins by looking like the good guy, the team isn’t penalized for having a player go down and maybe the player makes the right call by retiring and not feeling like he let down his team and family.
I personally think Tua should retire. As someone who recently suffered a dangerous concussion in past year nothing is more important then family, however if he decides to keep playing then least sit out the next 5 weeks , we have soft part of schedule coming up and can go 3-1 just fine
We have both this year. Timing sometimes and regular style others. It’s a one two punch. We play normal football with reek and waddle in some throws and sometimes timing. Then the defense is off guard as to what is happening. Kinda brilliant. Just haven’t worked out the kinks yet the first two games. We should never do timing with chosen and Dubose. But it wasn’t timing for Dubose int. He just didn’t look quick enough
Did OBJ have other teams trying to sign him? Most probably so. Was OBJ or his agent, trying to push for a higher price, and a sense of urgency to get a deal done in May, knowing full well, that OBJ would not be ready to play the first four games? Alain Poupart, my issue with this, is why is it so hard, for the Fins to develop more WRs? Maybe I am giving Coach McDaniel too much credit, but he should be having an eye for offense talent all over. He should be finding solid backup WRs via UDFA. These WRs not only getting injured but the point, where they can't play, it's a broken record. It's nearly like every single year.
I am also an older fins fan. I experienced the Don Shula day, so yes, I am spoiled. I have no problem with Tannehill returning as the backup. I gave Tua my support at 100%. But while we are waiting for his recovery and playing decision. I don't mind Tannehill behind center. I am not a fan of having Brady as a backup. I hope that McDaniel is thinking the same.
There have been worse gms ,but they don't last more than 2,3 yr, this is Grier's 9 th yr, , if what happened last nite. Gets Grier fired, it's worth it,
The runs and the Jets sweeps are as gimmicky as the wildcat. This shouldn’t be the case with a $50 M QB. It’s not sustainable, as we saw and it doesn’t score points.
Tua is here due to superhuman anticipation with throws with sliding and running out of bounds, not so much. At the end of the day the NFL will have to save Tua from Tua let's face it he does not have QB measurables by stature. Huge Dolphin fans however Chris Grier must be held accountable by body of work and fired. McDaniel cool dude yes, yes strange antics and quirky, but that doesn't win games in the NFL. This is going to take a few years to recover by Chris Grier's incompetence. Regardless pray for Tua's recovery.
Both you guys missed the fact that Lester 🤬 Cotton and Kendall Lamb absolutely 💩💩 their pants in relief of Armstead and Jones? Hyde is 1000% correct that Grier's arrogant yet incompetent roster construction is the biggest issue for that team.
The same issues cropped up in 1.5 games so far this year. No pocket presence/awareness by the QB, timing throws that need to be perfect to work, off script plays hard to convert, and the team can't beat good teams. And now, concussion issues with the QB. Hope Tua makes the right decision for his health.
Team was talked up as an improvement over last years team. It’s not. OLine should have Grier’s attention now. But it won’t. McDaniel and Grier consistently field an undisciplined, injury prone team, that flops in big games. Tua coming back will not fix this team. Bringing in another QB will not fix this team. It’s a flashy team that’s built on a poor foundation ie the lines.
No way should we give up a 2nd or 3rd rd pick for Jimmy G. Be responsible for once and save OUR draft capital. I don't want this front office mortgaging anymore of our future assets to save their jobs. Sorry
Agreed. Many of the recent front office decisions seem much more motivated by trying to preserve their own jobs rather than what's in the best interest of the organization. Their plan has failed and now they're just making a bigger mess for the next GM (whenever that overdue move happens) to clean up.
Sound thinking on one level. On another level....wtf does Grier know to do WITH draft capital? He's absolute trash rounds 1-UFA at the oline position. And garbage rounds 3-7 everywhere else.
@df3575 Hopefully, Grier isn't here to make those decisions next draft. He's made some good picks when he doesn't trade them away, but he doesn't get know how to keep the players around. He also has a tendency to pick players with long injury histories.
McDaniel really needs to consider handing over play calling responsibilities. He’s hyped as an offensive genius, but yet still can’t find a way to compensate when he gets out schemed defensively.
This game was awesome in that it showcased the two reasons Tua should NEVER have been given that contract. Insufficient talent (too weak an arm even to throw a pass out of bounds) and injury prone. Chris Grier is a moron who has now doomed dolphin fans to many years of purgatory. And u media guys were asleep at the wheel. U should have been vociferous about not giving him that contract. Shame on u.
The thing I could never understand is why if we have a few of the fastest players on the league we decide to run up the middle so often with so many failure attempts Play calling is the biggest mistake
The oline held up on that play.. It was the RB that missed the blitzer, which forced tua out of the pocket. So you cant blame the oline for that.. There's only one reasoning for the outcome that happened.. And now everyone is getting on Grier but when he signed tua ramsey and McDaniel the was happy with him.. He should've never signed any of them to extensions..The whole roster needed depth.. The whole roster was injury prone we all knew it now its a big thing.. Achane is the only bright spot
Welcome to Tanking 2024. If you were to tank this is the perfect time in the schedule in preparation for the draft. Follow the bread crumbs. We're being punked!
Been a dolphins fan for 50 years. Never been this disappointed.
Disappointed of your QB going down? Disappointed of making a playoffs 2 yrs in a row? Disappointed of a winning record 4yrs in a row? Disappointed of finally having worthy QB? I’m trying to understand exactly what you’re disappointed about?
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Tua sucks
What about our last super bowl? That was pretty disappointing. But yes, this was bad.
Marino blowing against the Jags was worse.
Kinda feel like I've been chasing my tail since 1973. It "did" feel like I was just about to catch it. Now....?
Both of you guys preached ALL OFFSEASON that playing Tua on the 5th year option was the safe move, multiple times using this EXACT SCENARIO as a reason why. It's a damn shame it came true, but man does this front office look like complete idiots right now.
It wasnt going to happen. His camp was going to force him to hold out.
Blind Faith can hurt . Does the team except it now…..
@@123KevinJohn Then the Dolphins should have let him hold out and should have planned ahead by bringing in a more competent back up QB. Not only did you have him on the 5th, but you also could threaten him with the franchise tag 2025.
His only leverage was threatening to ruin the 2025 season. And how did that turn now? Our season is STILL ruined and now we are on the hook for 120-160 million.
It's the gamble a team takes. The whole issue here, is that with Ryan Tannehill, we knew, he was not going to get better. He shoud have NEVER been paid. Fins front office knew this and should allowed him to walk, and get the comp pick. Draft a QB in that draft or get on via Free agency OR both. With Tua Tagovailoa, he showed flashes, and gotten better every year. And yet again..what was the Dolphins backup plan? Plus, Coach McDaniel was brought in specifically for Tua Tagovailoa. So both Coach & QB are now bound. Well, that may change.
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Good hold out and we don’t win a game get the 1st pick the fire everyone and trade everyone let Tua walk and hire Mike vrabel
Been a dolphin for over 30 years that was one of the most disappointing and disheartening losses I've seen
Idk, that 1999 playoff loss to the Jags, was really bad. And we had a better defense too. That game forced Marino not only to retire but Coach Jimmy Johnson to quit. The organization would never be the same. It literally marked the end of an era. This loss was really bad but if Tua never played again, McDaniel still has his job. And the defense, is by no means, great or good. It's average, imho.
@@drewstar412 yeah I remember that jags game ... That jags game ,the Loss in New England in 2002 last game of the year,last year vs buffalo at home,... I just feel like last night was maybe the end of an era and back to square 1 with no QB and a possible rebuild
Give up guys, stop paying this horrible organization until they fix it. The reason Dolphins have stink for + 20 years is the complacent fans. Owners only make changes if their wallet is affected 🤷🏻♂️
Grier needs to be fired, should have happened awhile ago.
Oh, he’s done
Yep!!
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It's just too bad that he got to do all that damage to the future salary cap this past offseason before he left.
Grier needs to go. He’s the root cause.
Agreed! We need a GM who understands the importance of prioritizing the line rather than making it an after thought. We need a GM who understands the importance of drafting smartly rather than relying on signing past their prime free agents. We need a GM who demonstrates some sense of urgency in breaking this team's quarter century drought in playoff wins. Nothing will fundamentally change for this team without a fundamental change in the front office.
I can't wait for the Grier press conference. Lol
@@zenman1001 We got the wrong Grier as our GM. Chris brother, Mike is doing wonders with the Sharks.
Amen brother!!!
We could have drafted Worthy in the draft. Wr with 2.3 speed faster than Tyreek. But no we took a project in Chop. KC snapped him up fast and he’s lighting up the nfl
Grier has ruined this team with his mistakes. Said "there was no money" for Wilkins and Hunt, then gives out several huge contracts. Going to be a long season, with or without Tua
We tanked for nothing. Grier is responsible for the position the Dolphins are in. How does he still have a job? He must have the goods on Ross
This was one of the most disheartening losses I can remember. I wonder what sort of effect this game will have on the locker room/front office
Its just football HB...
you obviously weren’t around to see the jags 62-7 beat down of the phins in 99. that loss still hangs over the franchise like a rotting corpse.
Dolphins line was as bad as we thought. Maybe Chris Grier shouldn’t evaluate his own o line.
I always tell people its the Oline for many fucking year. Its why we was in last place last year for time to throw. Its why Tua has to throw it fast because of lack oline
Bills fan here. First off, prayers for Tua and his family. The decision is ultimately up to him, but I do hope he takes his own mother's advice this time. With that being said, keep your heads up Phins nation. When one door closes, another door opens. Let's go Buffalo!
@danjay84 have to say as a dolfan I appreciate the sentiment from our arch rival fans . It's kinda heartbreaking to see injuries like this happen to any player let alone Tua 😔
it all starts at the top.
Agreed. Things will not improve as long as our current front office remains in place. We've seen enough. Their "strategy" has failed.
Fire Grier.
And Terron was hurt yet again ! Wow what a surprising!!!! Never did you in our highest dream imagine Terron getting hurt
The most upsetting thing is that all sadly predictable. The team with the most concussion prone qb can't be the same team with an undersized, oft injured less than talented starting oline. When Hill and Waddle are open, it's great. When they're not? It's a problem. It's not enough to get the ball out fast. You need to make sure your fragile QB isn't getting murdered when he needs to go to other receivers. Grier’s cavalier approach to the oline (and trenches in general) is a horrible matchup for a guy like Tua. It’s been this way for years. All our olines get pushed around and tonight the Bills tooks out the QB and two lineman. When is this madness gonna end with these horrible oline builds???
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You said it best "sadly predictable"
Our FO stinks. How could they not be prepared for a Tua injury??
Clean house GM,Coaches and QB
It's time. Get Vrabel to Miami asap. Give him the keys. He'll toughen up this team.
McDaniel was simply out coached. The good teams play 2 deep safety’s and take away the one trick pony. From there it’s all screens even in the redzone. The playbook is so narrow.
And Tua was Awful, Before the injury....
Limited Qb
Great Job Poup and Dave ...No need to apologize we all have eyes we all saw the complete debacle
Love this duo!!
Yes n deed bro... They're Great ‼️
The Miami Dolphins are the Colorado Buffalos of the NFL. Just Front Runners, all HYPE
Alain I been a dolphins fan for 60 years I can't believe this same old thing thanks 4 the great show c u Sunday at 8
I wonder if Chris Grier is laughing out loud today regarding the O-line! 😭🥺
Bet Omar walking around with his chest out today...
@@ghstfce I don't think so, from how he talks about Tua I think that he truly cares about him. But he did say that CG was mocking them worried about the O-line
Sadly, Grier has proven completely incompetent at prioritizing the O-Line (among his many other failings).
Yes, I can't stand Chris Grier's stupid chuckle/laugh. He is so arrogant, self righteous and dismissive.
The injury happened with him outside the pocket.. so everyone can blame the oline all they want but it was bound to happen
I’ve been thru decades of disappointment being a fan since early 90s. But last night was the worst I’ve ever felt.
Tua is not and will never be a complete NFL quarterback, the complete collapse of this team the past two years in December should be adequate to illustrate this. He cannot extend plays, he cannot put the Dolphins on his back against quality teams and win, the fact he got a fat contract extension only shows that Ross and Grier lack the mindset to make winning decisions. Another forgotten example, the Dolphins once had Dan Campbell on the coaching staff and as an interim head coach and let him get away. I have been a Dolphins fan for over 50 years and the health of this organization is not good, if fact this organization is not even mediocre.
I agree with you on all of it, man. Shameful. Bring Vrabel to Miami. Give him the keys. He'll toughen up this soft franchise.
My god! I've been a Bills fan for 50 years and this never gets old!
I’m gonna continue to watch and support the show even tho season is over. Keep up great work Poup
Enjoy the back-and-forth between you too you guys should always do the show together
Alain Poupart, 100% I won't say, that Tua Tagovailoa should retire. You nailed it. It's his choice, nor is our place as fans to make the knee jerk decision. And it's not being insensitive nor cruel hearted. It's facts. We are not Tua Tagovailoa nor know all the information that he is getting, from medical staff. Tua Tagovailoa, will make the best choice he has to make for himself and his family. Prayers and Good Thoughts, go out to him, and fans just have to accept any choice he makes.
I love Tua and wish him the best recovery! I've always been supportive of him being our QB. We now have to imagine the team without him, even if long term and I think Mac Jones (if attainable) would make this situation less disastrous and he'd keep us competing in the AFC East, & could be our future! He was arguably the best QB in the Jaguars camp and in the preseason. He's very smart, as athletic as Tua, and would pick this offense up in very short order! If Shanahan didn't have Purdy, he'd be on the 49ers roster! The problems in NE were 'their' issues and that's become apparent. It would be like a re-do on choosing a 1st round QB, and wouldn't cost much.
That was a trainwreck with a Hollywood worthy explosion at the end. 😬
The fact that McDaniel not only hasn’t been able to scheme something up for this defense that McDermott and other top teams employ against, and has seemingly gotten worse is so concerning
McDaniel is a great coach. Grier is the problem. Tua should have never gotten that contract.
@@ronlee2611 I agree to an extent; but let’s think deeper. Ross has no issue spending money, and Grier has proven that he can and will pull the trigger on big time FA’s and or trades right? That leads me to believe that He was told by McDaniel, no we’re good here get me some depth pieces. If McDaniel said listen, we cannot win unless we have a fantastic O-line, we really think Hunt wouldn’t have been signed back, and we wouldn’t have made another move or 2 on the o-line?
@@yankthis1989 Carolina is paying Hunt $20 million a year. That's ridiculous. Grier has mismanaged the organization for years.
Can we finally seriously address Grier and McDaniel now? Or accept the failure ( to date ) and think things will change?
after 3 years and coach can't build a solid OL is a disappointment, the offensive playcalling has been a disappointment, for GM and HC to ignore the OL is now coming back to hurt the team.
@@6193asnf Offensive Lines are the hardest thing in football to assemble and hold onto. You need six or seven good players that have played together for awhile to have a good OL. And now a great Offensive tackle costs you over $10M a year. It ain't easy.
A pocket passer that isn’t given a competent pocket to operate from, Fins freakin suck
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. Thanks Chris Grier and Mike McDaniel. Feel bad for Tua, but unless Mr. Ross cleans house, the team is destined for continued failure.
It's hard to argue now.
Beyond the injury....The "Poupster" was right all along... I think we've seen the ceiling with Tua...He's not taking us to the next level
People were saying Grier won't get fired even if the team has a bad season. Ross will fire someone and has a bullet with Grier's name on it. Hyde used the correct word.. malpractice.
Is anybody really surprised where we are at? Drafting a slow injury prone weak armed QB was a mistake. Then signing that QB to a long term contract borders on incompetence. Final straw is having zero backup plan for the inevitable. A visionary Grier is not....
Grier and Kiss Ass McDaniel
the backup qb deal was really bad
The Dolphins organization is all about hope. Hope Tua can stay healthy, hope McDaniels becomes a better coach, hope the offensive line develops etc. You don't win playoffs or superbowls with that mentality
I've noticed every subsequent season we implode earlier and more painfully.
I’m not giving up picks for Jimmy G only to see him get hurt within a few games. He’s always hurt and our offensive line stinks. But I do agree with Dave. We should have had a better backup plan. Everyone killed the Jets last year for not having a good backup. This is no different.
Grier is the problem mostly. Ross only cares about the 💰. McDaniel is horrible in game adjustments and managing timeouts. He might have to give up playcalling.
But a good owner would have fired Grier five yrs ago,
Thanks for the content
Going to be a long year but at least now I have a free day on Sundays lol
I appreciate you two being honest about Tua all summer and this episode. All other beat reports coddling Tua because he is a “nice” guy. His stats against top teams and his durability concerns did not warrant this mega contract.
Honestly Grier has got to go, he's tired but this hasn't worked out.
Tried*
I heard a podcast, that , if Grier were to get fired, then Brandon Shore would replace him. And, the same ole same ole, would continue. It's time to either promote Marvin Allen or Reggie McKenzie. it's time for those guys, who actually have an eye for talent, to get this on the right track. Hiring outside the organization, I'd have to do research.
The bigger problem is Ross,he was incompetent even before Grier took over, he'll never get a playoff win,
It’s time to hire a young, smart GM and let him run the team. Let him pick his own coach - if wants to keep McDaniel - fine. If not - fine. Too many cooks spoil the soup. I’m tired of firing the coach but keeping the GM. Or firing the GM and keeping the coach. Ross should have pried Harbaugh away from Michigan while he had the chance. I don’t know but whatever this is - it ain’t working. Losing is one thing but to get embarrassed in big games over and over. No good.
@@jimhall2924 and he had a connection with Harbaugh, ( Michigan), but Ross always goes cheap, when hiring coaches( all of his coaches ,had no experience , that's a recipe for disaster, and then throw in the idiot Grier, = zero playoff wins,
It is also coaching and GM making mistakes. Hill & Waddle nothing else. Ross signs OB knowing he is injured. Waiver Wire WR pickups; nobody wants and did not know the plays leaving Tua hanging for the whole time he was playing. Hill & Smythe had bad games Slipping, missing blocks. Downfield threat TE Jonnu Smith being used as a fullback. TV hosts question McDaniel end game tactics. McDaniel just can't adjust to game problems in real time. Teams have cracked the McDaniel cheat code early this year. Will not improve.
Everyone gets injured. We sign OBJ, on IR, we draft Tahj Washington and he gets hurt in camp, we draft Malik Washington and he's out the 1st 2 games, Cracraft injured in the 1st preseason game, Eze injured neck. Mostert injured, Wynn injured, Armstead injured, Robert Jones injured, Wilson got injured last night and of course, Tua.
@@Ballaholic17 Something is wrong? Poor Training , lack of proper techniques, or hiring wrong physical therapists?
@@pauldelray5839 Some are old, some are injury prone, and some just lack the toughness needed to be an impact player in the NFL. You might be right, tho. To stay in football shape you need to play football all the time.
Love you guys ❤. Praying for Tua
Armstead injured again what a surprise
this is going to be a tough one...
Thank you Dave Hide !!! Chris Greer is the problem ! Why does this guy get to survive ? As smart as Ross is , can he be this inept at recognizing that Greer is a first class A- kisser who never accepts full responsibility for his actions . Why is he on the chopping block ? Please somebody talk some sense into Ross and fire this guy . He had a litany of draft capitol, and an unlimited Check book . How incompetent a this guy be . As a lifelong Dolphin fan ( since 1981 ) I wish I wasn’t such a loyal person and choose another team to root for .
As you know the reason why Chris Grier survives, is because he rarely will make a higher draft pick. He will say "the head coach wanted this pick" so, when that pick does not pan out, the blame shifts to the head coach. Which, both are to blame. Grier can't draft, and the head coach (Flores mostly, McDaniel to a lesser extent), don't have an eye for talent. 2020 should have been the year, that the Oline got fixed. I get so sick of, come draft time, and all the Fins fans, are going gaga over all the draft picks. Do they forget that Grier's track record is not very good? It's like holding our breath. I have a saying...No fan of a team should have a better mock draft, than an actual GM.
This is Football, there is no way to avoid getting hit. Wether next week next month or next year he is going to take another hit and what if he doesn't get up. Its just a game he needs to retire
It’s not just one game. We are approaching the better part of a decade where this organization completely owns us. We are no closer to beating them than we were with the last 3-4 coaches ago. It’s time for these guys to step aside if this is the best they can do. It was a truly pathetic effort.
With the situation not being great obviously and leaving trades out of it, i'm inclined to think C.J. Beathard would be a good pickup. He played with McDaniel in San Francisco, so at least there is familiarity with the offense.
It was probably the worst day in the history of the Miami Dolphins. Very Sad day for us. Stephen Ross, you did your very best for the team, and Im sorry for you ad well.
Its because of the idiot Ross, what happened last nite- a good owner would not keep an incompetent gm like Grier so long, and no way they guarantee 160 mill to a fragile qb,
Poupart was right and many were wrong, and only losers will argue about the specifics, but if we had not drafted Tua we would not be in this position today.
That fact is absolutely undeniable
I'm over it. What team in the history of sports hasn't won a play off game in 24 years and a championship over 50 fucking years! Now this happens
What a kick in the balls that was. I understand why you didn't cast last night.
The guys getting paid are getting roasted or toasted. Ramsey roasted!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tua toasted...............McDaniel incompetent by game design, clock management, basic 101 play calling at best coordinator material, not a leader of men.........Grier playing Monopoly with Mr. Ross's money trading and wasting assets. Bottom line PATHETIC minus TUA pray for Tua.
Grier and the brass should start shopping T Hill , Waddle and Ramsey and do a rebuild ASAP . Reset button and tank for picks next year and draft QB
I wonder of greir is laughing now about our horrible oline????
Facts! So annoying to hear Grier's laugh and take on the Oline. He can't come to terms that outside of Robert Hunt, he has ZERO eye for Oline talent.
Don't leave McDaniel out...
I think that if MM really cares for Tua he should convince him to just go home and take care of his family. At some point they NEED to deal with a young QB and address the trenches
That play you are talking about Alain is Stefon Diggs on X in the end zone. I think Diggs feel down after all the maneuvering and X thought he was done but he came across the end zone and JA connected with him
Buffalo only had 247 yards on offense for the following reasons: 1. Miami turnovers set up short fields or directly led to a score. 2. The Bills went vanilla on offense up 31-10 with 9:00 minutes left in the 3rd quarter. 3. A pick 6 on defense and a 49 yard run by Cook resulted in the Bills only running 42 plays minus the kneel downs and barely 23 minutes of possession time. The Bills averaged 6 yards per play and Allen had over 100 yards passing early in the 2nd quarter and executed a key 4th down play and a 3rd and 12 play that led to a first and goal at the 1 yard line. If Allen had to do more, I'm pretty sure he would have.
Ramsey seems like a shell of himself. Yet they chose to extend him. Smh
Everyone gets injured. We sign OBJ, on IR, we draft Tahj Washington and he gets hurt in camp, we draft Malik Washington and he's out the 1st 2 games, Cracraft injured in the 1st preseason game, Eze injured neck. Mostert injured, Wynn injured, Armstead injured, Robert Jones injured, Jeff Wilson got injured last night and of course, Tua. This team is old, and overpaid. They pay a qb a big, top 3 contract who finished 1 full season, who never won a division title or playoff game and has a concussion history. We're already down Chubb, Philips is working his way back, Poyer is 33, Armstead 33, Calais 38, Ramsey paid a top 3 deal and he's 30, Hill a top 3 deal and he's 30. They spend all this money and have no insurance plan just in case your big money, fragile qb gets injured behind an average to below average oline. Poor decision making in the front office and outright negligence by risking the present and future of your franchise with such irresponsible decisions and no vision. This wreaks of a desperate front office scrambling to save their jobs by putting together a roster full of aging, injury prone, washed up players in the twilight of their careers.
...and yet, all of these flaws a fan with zero access to the team could tell you were ripe to turn rotten. So, how incompetent was all this "ass saving"??
Grier could have drafted a really good WR.INSTEAD we draft 1 trick pony. Grier refuses to admit bust after bust Dieter ,Eichenburg. Our OL IS TRASH.
U forgot the idiot owner Ross, he'll never sniff a playoff win
So I left a comment a few shows saying that this team was weak sauce and it got deleted. Weak fans can’t handle truth in sports or in life.
Dave Hyde is heading down the right path. He's telling you somthing was wrong with the roster . Dave is telling you somthing is wrong in his words doesn't make sense!
If this gets grier fired ,then its worth it going forward, tua never should have gotten 160 mill guaranteed,
When we got rid of Ireland we cleaned house instead of Grier. Everyone should have gone. Grier grew up under Ireland and bought into his money all strategy. He always thinks he can get cheap labor that’s almost as good. They aren’t. He finally figured out he needs stars so he signed the. What he didn’t figure out is how to draft WELL and make that cheap labor. Rejects and old injured players should not be the cheap labor. Before last year we only had 2 draft picks after 5 years. Most traumas half their team is draft picks. This is griers problem. He drafts people not even on the board and thinks he knows better
I blame Ross for not firing Grier 5 yrs ago
Alain sounding like Omar today.... If you take this away and this away and that away 😂😂😂
I would love to see the NFL institute some kind of buy back program. Basically, if the player decides to leave the league, the NFL pays a portion or 100% of the guaranteed salary. The team is free or any and all cap implications. Lastly, the team gets back the draft pick that they used on the player. This way the NFL wins by looking like the good guy, the team isn’t penalized for having a player go down and maybe the player makes the right call by retiring and not feeling like he let down his team and family.
It’s not going to work with this offensive line! It doesn’t matter what quarterback you bring in
I personally think Tua should retire. As someone who recently suffered a dangerous concussion in past year nothing is more important then family, however if he decides to keep playing then least sit out the next 5 weeks , we have soft part of schedule coming up and can go 3-1 just fine
This timing type offense is fickle with Tua. Now do we Tank for the Best college qb ?
We have both this year. Timing sometimes and regular style others. It’s a one two punch. We play normal football with reek and waddle in some throws and sometimes timing. Then the defense is off guard as to what is happening. Kinda brilliant. Just haven’t worked out the kinks yet the first two games. We should never do timing with chosen and Dubose. But it wasn’t timing for Dubose int. He just didn’t look quick enough
Hes not getting concussed hes getting knocked out cold big diffrence
Did OBJ have other teams trying to sign him? Most probably so. Was OBJ or his agent, trying to push for a higher price, and a sense of urgency to get a deal done in May, knowing full well, that OBJ would not be ready to play the first four games? Alain Poupart, my issue with this, is why is it so hard, for the Fins to develop more WRs? Maybe I am giving Coach McDaniel too much credit, but he should be having an eye for offense talent all over. He should be finding solid backup WRs via UDFA. These WRs not only getting injured but the point, where they can't play, it's a broken record. It's nearly like every single year.
I am also an older fins fan. I experienced the Don Shula day, so yes, I am spoiled. I have no problem with Tannehill returning as the backup. I gave Tua my support at 100%. But while we are waiting for his recovery and playing decision. I don't mind Tannehill behind center. I am not a fan of having Brady as a backup. I hope that McDaniel is thinking the same.
Fire Chris Grier!!! I’m done! I will say it every day for the rest of my life if I have to
Grier needs to be fired for dereliction of duty. How much does this fanbase have to endure!
Exactly who is running the Dolphins organization???? This was the worst loss I’ve EVER seen as a life long fan.
This injury was predictable given his concussion history. Grier is most incompetent GM in football.
There have been worse gms ,but they don't last more than 2,3 yr, this is Grier's 9 th yr, , if what happened last nite. Gets Grier fired, it's worth it,
The runs and the Jets sweeps are as gimmicky as the wildcat. This shouldn’t be the case with a $50 M QB. It’s not sustainable, as we saw and it doesn’t score points.
Tua is here due to superhuman anticipation with throws with sliding and running out of bounds, not so much. At the end of the day the NFL will have to save Tua from Tua let's face it he does not have QB measurables by stature. Huge Dolphin fans however Chris Grier must be held accountable by body of work and fired. McDaniel cool dude yes, yes strange antics and quirky, but that doesn't win games in the NFL. This is going to take a few years to recover by Chris Grier's incompetence. Regardless pray for Tua's recovery.
Agreed! The only thing Grier has been good at is wasting Ross's money.
@@zenman1001 💯 prove us otherwise the use case is in.
Both you guys missed the fact that Lester 🤬 Cotton and Kendall Lamb absolutely 💩💩 their pants in relief of Armstead and Jones?
Hyde is 1000% correct that Grier's arrogant yet incompetent roster construction is the biggest issue for that team.
Jalen Ramsey looks Average
The same issues cropped up in 1.5 games so far this year. No pocket presence/awareness by the QB, timing throws that need to be perfect to work, off script plays hard to convert, and the team can't beat good teams. And now, concussion issues with the QB. Hope Tua makes the right decision for his health.
Team was talked up as an improvement over last years team. It’s not.
OLine should have Grier’s attention now. But it won’t.
McDaniel and Grier consistently field an undisciplined, injury prone team, that flops in big games.
Tua coming back will not fix this team. Bringing in another QB will not fix this team.
It’s a flashy team that’s built on a poor foundation ie the lines.
No way should we give up a 2nd or 3rd rd pick for Jimmy G. Be responsible for once and save OUR draft capital. I don't want this front office mortgaging anymore of our future assets to save their jobs. Sorry
Agreed. Many of the recent front office decisions seem much more motivated by trying to preserve their own jobs rather than what's in the best interest of the organization. Their plan has failed and now they're just making a bigger mess for the next GM (whenever that overdue move happens) to clean up.
Sound thinking on one level. On another level....wtf does Grier know to do WITH draft capital? He's absolute trash rounds 1-UFA at the oline position. And garbage rounds 3-7 everywhere else.
@df3575 Hopefully, Grier isn't here to make those decisions next draft. He's made some good picks when he doesn't trade them away, but he doesn't get know how to keep the players around. He also has a tendency to pick players with long injury histories.
McDaniel really needs to consider handing over play calling responsibilities. He’s hyped as an offensive genius, but yet still can’t find a way to compensate when he gets out schemed defensively.
This game was awesome in that it showcased the two reasons Tua should NEVER have been given that contract. Insufficient talent (too weak an arm even to throw a pass out of bounds) and injury prone. Chris Grier is a moron who has now doomed dolphin fans to many years of purgatory. And u media guys were asleep at the wheel. U should have been vociferous about not giving him that contract. Shame on u.
The thing I could never understand is why if we have a few of the fastest players on the league we decide to run up the middle so often with so many failure attempts
Play calling is the biggest mistake
Since 1996 I have been a fan and this is just typical...
Chris Grier cannot build a winner. He likes gambling on injury prone discounts and fading stars. It's not a serious front office.
Shoulda brought in Harbaugh when he was available. Bring Vrabel to Miami asap. Give him the keys. He'll toughen up this team.
Please Gentlemen. The media has a powerful platform . All of you conspire to crucify Chris Greer . Be the voice of the Fan base
The oline held up on that play.. It was the RB that missed the blitzer, which forced tua out of the pocket. So you cant blame the oline for that.. There's only one reasoning for the outcome that happened.. And now everyone is getting on Grier but when he signed tua ramsey and McDaniel the was happy with him.. He should've never signed any of them to extensions..The whole roster needed depth.. The whole roster was injury prone we all knew it now its a big thing.. Achane is the only bright spot
Brewer's snaps were too high very often.
Welcome to Tanking 2024. If you were to tank this is the perfect time in the schedule in preparation for the draft. Follow the bread crumbs. We're being punked!
2 games now where the defenses took away Tua's 1st read and so far Fins haven't had a lead in 8 quarters of football.