This native American proverb needs to be read at the next COP. "Only when the last tree has been cut down, the last fish been caught, and the last stream poisoned, will we realize we cannot eat money"
Great job Grumpy! Well said, and You are having my support-- for all it is worth! As myself -- I'm not much of a talker. Fossil fuels -- not to burn! For chemistry (industrial chemistry) I mean! For energy production? --- Wind, solar, batteries. That's where my support lies. If anybody wants to know. Otherwise, all of that Cop-out is shit and malaria --- if You ask me! Your voice sounds good! Like any voice in a jungle! Well, a bit better than mine! Greetings Nigel!
I agree 100% that we need to stop fossil fuels and over time, with out Government mandates or force and they just mind their own Business and allow people to choose what we all will choose if given a choice. We mainly need to remember that land based trees are not that important for the Oxygen we need to breathe as 90% of the Oxygen we breathe comes from our Oceans and so it's our Oceans we should be caring for over anything else first and then worry about the 10% of habitable land we Humans use. Putting Solar Panels on a piece of land 15,000 hectares in size after clearing it, makes no sense at all as one minute we have 15,000 hectares of natural land full of native flora and fauna, doing a great job of caring for many of our endangered species and the next, it's a vast area of Solar panels doing nothing worth while, not even producing enough power to run a small city like Gympie Australia. Has anyone actually looked at not only the cost of Solar and Wind, but just how large an area is required to set up these huge Solar Farms and just how large the requirements to account for rainy days, the size of the Solar farm required to power a City as well as the Huge battery system required just to power a City for one full day, requires for one, enough panels to produce the total power needs for half a day as well as enough panels extra to recharge the Battery system that would be needed just for half a day, now they recommend not going below 20% on the batteries and so the Battery System would need to be 20% larger, now this only then covers a full day as long as it was a Summer day with no clouds. Have rain for four days in a row like we just had and the City is out of power for three whole days, or do they build a battery system with, how many days back up ? What happens we get a rain depression as we do in Qld from time to time ? Not only do they need a much larger Battery system for contingencies, but they then also need a far larger Solar array to produce enough power to recharge that extra battery system. Would the Solar array need to be twice as big or only maybe 20% larger and hope there are enough sunny days that the 20% will recharge the emergency power section ? No one is looking long term or not only the cost for the Solar and Battery system, but costing needs to be added to cover longer periods of rain as well as at present, batteries are said to last ten to fifteen years and panels 25 years, anyone that thinks prices for power are going to come down using Solar and WInd, plus a battery back up, are living in a fantasy world. I bought a Solar power system over 12 years ago as well as a Solar Hot water system, during our drought, which lasted 25 years, we never had a need to turn on the grid power to our Solar Hot water system as the Sun heated enough water during the day, all year around as well as we produced enough power to cover the grid power we used at night. Once the drought stopped and we started getting rain, as we have been the last two weeks and eight of those days over the last two weeks have been rainy/cloudy days and so no Solar production, I will be buying a Power Wall once they stop the Solar rebate, the problem is after talking with my Solar expert about the size of the Battery Wall we need, to cover the weather we now get and have done for the last two and a half years since the drought broke, we would need enough power for at least four days and not four days of nights only, but four days of day use as we are retired and are at home and also have our Grand Kids come over on Holidays or non school days as well as family for Easter and Xmas and the regular BBQ and other catch ups. I doubt we will be able to have a system, where we could be 100% off grid with no need for a power generator of some kind for an emergency, where we get more than four days of rain as it's cloudy again today and so we will have 9 days of no Solar generation this month. I have 3D printers for one of my Hobbies and a workshop with wood working tools as another Hobby as well as Native Bees and European Bees as one of my other Hobbies and my Home brewery as my final Hobby, the Bees and Brewery are my Family's favourite Hobbies of mine lol. All these Hobbies require some power, especially my Bee and wood working hobbies as I have to build new Hives for my Native Bees yearly and building 100 Hives takes a bit of power, as I need to cut the sheets of wood to size as well as then use my Air powered nail and staple guns, which require Electricity to run, as I haven't found a decent 12 or 24 volt air compressor worth a damn, that I could run using the mini solar array on my workshop roof, that powers the battery chargers for all my battery tools as well as recharges the Battery lights I use in the workshop, I am as off grid as I can be, with still being connected for the rainy periods we now get more often. Solar and WInd are a pipe dream as we can't afford the land use required over time to be 100% reliant on Solar and Wind, let alone the cost to replace all those panels and batteries at least once every 30 years, anyone know the life span of a Wind Turbine, as I have seen a few of them go up in flames and crash to the ground in a spectacular fashion, they would be a great thing to have near a large Sugar cane farm or Wheat farm or maybe even near a forest that hasn't been maintained against bush fires :), I know they clear the land around those Wind Turbines, but I also know how slack the maintenance is around them once built as it's a very large area that needs to be kept clear. Nuclear is the only sensible and cost effective way to go in the future as not only the savings in all the materials needed to build the Wind and solar parts, but the land use that will be needed to grow the alternatives to plastics and Oil for our Machinery as well as food and grazing land. I would love to see a Video on the costing as well as design for a fully working 100% Solar System as well as the costing for the removal and replacement as each panel not only needs to be replaced every 30 years, but the old ones need to be removed first and so the cost to replace is at least double the cost of installing the panels, any thoughts ;). Even if everyone in Australia put Solar panels on every roof area as well as got Battery walls with enough power for four full days of rain, we still wouldn't have Homes that didn't need grid power or some other form of power generation for those once a year or more rain depressions or Cyclones that we get in Qld and Northern territory, I have had to turn on the grid power to my Solar Hot Water system, because of how much rain we have had over the last two weeks as we run out of Hot water after four days, all we need is a good sunny day once every four days as far as Hot Water goes as I got one suitable for a five person family.
@@grumpyoldmanandhisev It's not wrong and we will see how things go over the enxt few years as the Government keeps throwing our money away on useless short term power generation systems, please name which part I was wrong on as having run a business where I needed to order stock as well as employ people, it's not hard to work out all the problems with Solar and Wind, and Nuclear is the only option people will be able to afford as Solar and Wind are part time very expensive options.
@@grumpyoldmanandhisev Cut and pasted from a real site that supplies off grid systems and tells the truth on how many batteries are required to be off grid as follows " You’ll need around eight to 12 (or more) batteries to go off-grid. Self-sufficiency requires lots of battery storage, especially if you build capacity for extra-long periods without sunlight (cloudy weather, nights, etc.). :)
@@billybobjones4317 Look that is wrong - you dont need huge battery storage for your home. 1 days usage is all. Inb the EXTREME:Y unlikely event of longer outage then you will suffer. How many times has it ever happened?
@@billybobjones4317 Nuclear is SHIT! If you actually do the math properly wind and solar are more than enough. Add in some batteries of a wide variety and you aree safe. UHVDC cables running around the place will help (if you know what UHVDC means)
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This native American proverb needs to be read at the next COP. "Only when the last tree has been cut down, the last fish been caught, and the last stream poisoned, will we realize we cannot eat money"
Totally agree
Another favourite native American proverb that I like is "Man is only a strand in the web of life, whatever he does to the web, he does to himself"
your best yet! but I do feel deflated, who runs the world, not us voters by the looks of it.
Great job Grumpy! Well said, and You are having my support-- for all it is worth! As myself -- I'm not much of a talker. Fossil fuels -- not to burn! For chemistry (industrial chemistry) I mean! For energy production? --- Wind, solar, batteries. That's where my support lies. If anybody wants to know. Otherwise, all of that Cop-out is shit and malaria --- if You ask me! Your voice sounds good! Like any voice in a jungle! Well, a bit better than mine! Greetings Nigel!
COP = Continue Oil Production!!!!
I agree 100% that we need to stop fossil fuels and over time, with out Government mandates or force and they just mind their own Business and allow people to choose what we all will choose if given a choice.
We mainly need to remember that land based trees are not that important for the Oxygen we need to breathe as 90% of the Oxygen we breathe comes from our Oceans and so it's our Oceans we should be caring for over anything else first and then worry about the 10% of habitable land we Humans use.
Putting Solar Panels on a piece of land 15,000 hectares in size after clearing it, makes no sense at all as one minute we have 15,000 hectares of natural land full of native flora and fauna, doing a great job of caring for many of our endangered species and the next, it's a vast area of Solar panels doing nothing worth while, not even producing enough power to run a small city like Gympie Australia.
Has anyone actually looked at not only the cost of Solar and Wind, but just how large an area is required to set up these huge Solar Farms and just how large the requirements to account for rainy days, the size of the Solar farm required to power a City as well as the Huge battery system required just to power a City for one full day, requires for one, enough panels to produce the total power needs for half a day as well as enough panels extra to recharge the Battery system that would be needed just for half a day, now they recommend not going below 20% on the batteries and so the Battery System would need to be 20% larger, now this only then covers a full day as long as it was a Summer day with no clouds.
Have rain for four days in a row like we just had and the City is out of power for three whole days, or do they build a battery system with, how many days back up ?
What happens we get a rain depression as we do in Qld from time to time ?
Not only do they need a much larger Battery system for contingencies, but they then also need a far larger Solar array to produce enough power to recharge that extra battery system.
Would the Solar array need to be twice as big or only maybe 20% larger and hope there are enough sunny days that the 20% will recharge the emergency power section ?
No one is looking long term or not only the cost for the Solar and Battery system, but costing needs to be added to cover longer periods of rain as well as at present, batteries are said to last ten to fifteen years and panels 25 years, anyone that thinks prices for power are going to come down using Solar and WInd, plus a battery back up, are living in a fantasy world.
I bought a Solar power system over 12 years ago as well as a Solar Hot water system, during our drought, which lasted 25 years, we never had a need to turn on the grid power to our Solar Hot water system as the Sun heated enough water during the day, all year around as well as we produced enough power to cover the grid power we used at night.
Once the drought stopped and we started getting rain, as we have been the last two weeks and eight of those days over the last two weeks have been rainy/cloudy days and so no Solar production,
I will be buying a Power Wall once they stop the Solar rebate, the problem is after talking with my Solar expert about the size of the Battery Wall we need, to cover the weather we now get and have done for the last two and a half years since the drought broke, we would need enough power for at least four days and not four days of nights only, but four days of day use as we are retired and are at home and also have our Grand Kids come over on Holidays or non school days as well as family for Easter and Xmas and the regular BBQ and other catch ups.
I doubt we will be able to have a system, where we could be 100% off grid with no need for a power generator of some kind for an emergency, where we get more than four days of rain as it's cloudy again today and so we will have 9 days of no Solar generation this month.
I have 3D printers for one of my Hobbies and a workshop with wood working tools as another Hobby as well as Native Bees and European Bees as one of my other Hobbies and my Home brewery as my final Hobby, the Bees and Brewery are my Family's favourite Hobbies of mine lol.
All these Hobbies require some power, especially my Bee and wood working hobbies as I have to build new Hives for my Native Bees yearly and building 100 Hives takes a bit of power, as I need to cut the sheets of wood to size as well as then use my Air powered nail and staple guns, which require Electricity to run, as I haven't found a decent 12 or 24 volt air compressor worth a damn, that I could run using the mini solar array on my workshop roof, that powers the battery chargers for all my battery tools as well as recharges the Battery lights I use in the workshop, I am as off grid as I can be, with still being connected for the rainy periods we now get more often.
Solar and WInd are a pipe dream as we can't afford the land use required over time to be 100% reliant on Solar and Wind, let alone the cost to replace all those panels and batteries at least once every 30 years, anyone know the life span of a Wind Turbine, as I have seen a few of them go up in flames and crash to the ground in a spectacular fashion, they would be a great thing to have near a large Sugar cane farm or Wheat farm or maybe even near a forest that hasn't been maintained against bush fires :), I know they clear the land around those Wind Turbines, but I also know how slack the maintenance is around them once built as it's a very large area that needs to be kept clear.
Nuclear is the only sensible and cost effective way to go in the future as not only the savings in all the materials needed to build the Wind and solar parts, but the land use that will be needed to grow the alternatives to plastics and Oil for our Machinery as well as food and grazing land.
I would love to see a Video on the costing as well as design for a fully working 100% Solar System as well as the costing for the removal and replacement as each panel not only needs to be replaced every 30 years, but the old ones need to be removed first and so the cost to replace is at least double the cost of installing the panels, any thoughts ;).
Even if everyone in Australia put Solar panels on every roof area as well as got Battery walls with enough power for four full days of rain, we still wouldn't have Homes that didn't need grid power or some other form of power generation for those once a year or more rain depressions or Cyclones that we get in Qld and Northern territory, I have had to turn on the grid power to my Solar Hot Water system, because of how much rain we have had over the last two weeks as we run out of Hot water after four days, all we need is a good sunny day once every four days as far as Hot Water goes as I got one suitable for a five person family.
Im not going to respond to this lengthy tome only to say that a LOT of what you have written is completely wrong
@@grumpyoldmanandhisev It's not wrong and we will see how things go over the enxt few years as the Government keeps throwing our money away on useless short term power generation systems, please name which part I was wrong on as having run a business where I needed to order stock as well as employ people, it's not hard to work out all the problems with Solar and Wind, and Nuclear is the only option people will be able to afford as Solar and Wind are part time very expensive options.
@@grumpyoldmanandhisev Cut and pasted from a real site that supplies off grid systems and tells the truth on how many batteries are required to be off grid as follows " You’ll need around eight to 12 (or more) batteries to go off-grid. Self-sufficiency requires lots of battery storage, especially if you build capacity for extra-long periods without sunlight (cloudy weather, nights, etc.). :)
@@billybobjones4317 Look that is wrong - you dont need huge battery storage for your home. 1 days usage is all. Inb the EXTREME:Y unlikely event of longer outage then you will suffer. How many times has it ever happened?
@@billybobjones4317 Nuclear is SHIT! If you actually do the math properly wind and solar are more than enough. Add in some batteries of a wide variety and you aree safe. UHVDC cables running around the place will help (if you know what UHVDC means)