As someone who has been developing a turbo Miata for 3 years now, I can assure you its not nearly as easy as buying a turbo kit and slapping it on. From re-thinking the entire cooling and PCV systems, to fabricating heat shields and heat reflective materials, finding the right combination of oil lines and restrictors to distribute oil pressure, wasting time and money on a piggyback only to trash it for standalone, eliminating the power plant frame and fabricating a transmission mount and diff brace, frame rail stiffeners, the list goes on, and on, and on. Its fun spanking Mopars with my girl car, though 😊.
I was gonna be that guy that’s like “But i know someone” and the more i thought about it i was like “No i don’t lol they’re all complicated asf and when you come down to it a better/bigger(or just more efficient) turbo can get the same results if not better.
sure turbo lag is a trade-off. but speaking of stress, instant torque is killer on transmissions. loose converters and auto trannys are perfect for turbos and many systems are available that let the user edit the boost climb and pressures in each gear and at each throttle position. turbos are better nowadays simply because we have the tech that lets you swap a pulley, by changing 16 to 20 in your boost controller in seconds
I suppose one exception could be hill climbing to a very high altitude? But that's not British hill climbing, Pike's may go up over 4km but it's don't. But up there in the thin air maybe it makes it worthwhile.
Dont know anything about British hill climbing but surely a smaller turbo would be sufficient for these sorts of courses? The powerband on my 911 turbo is very linear from the factory but with a tune it becomes a bit too much in the twistys. The nice thing about modern boost control is that you can map boost to be smooth or hit hard.
@@scottchelmford7136 OEM road car forced induction development is very involved. The end result is quite wonderful but to achieve that level of refinement on a competition vehicle would be just too involved for most competitors. P.s. jealous of your Porsche!
@@scottchelmford7136 depends on class. Also u can run connected bigger and smaller turbo and anti lag. Or supercharger with turbo and then u get intresting results
Usable horsepower on twisty roads is mostly the same across weight classes of cars. Turbos and superchargers are mostly for show or up hill big straights.
Electric car builders: "You just don't need the stress, both metaphorically and literally, and you still have torque problems, you still have heat problems and you still have transmission problems, so i got rid of that big heavy and complicated V8..." 😂😉😉😉👍
@@yingzheng9619 Turbo chargers on a general scale can produce more power than other means of forced induction. They don't have parasitic draw and modern turbochargers can minimise turbo lag, or you eliminate all lag through use of multiple turbocharger setups. Also, an engine with a smaller displacement can outperform a naturally aspirated engine of equal cylinder displacement. Shall I go on?
@@tykiahjames9372Like it or not, but turbochargers still have a parasitic draw, even if not that significant. Turbochargers add much higher complexity to engines at high costs and are unreliable. Not to mention the backpressure that goes along with it.
Just put it on perspective respect the task were it will be in, in this case, tiny twisted hillclimb roads, you can have a turbo car works? Yes, it will be powerful? Yes, it will be fast? Yes, it will have more weight? Yes, it will be simpler than have a real racing car engine like the one in the video? No, it will cost more? Probably if the base engine is a pure racing one like the one in this video, will it be easy to drive up the hill with tons of torque? Nope, will it be gentle on the gearbox and driveshafts? Nope, and so on... Turbos can have tons of torque, that simply destroys traction in corners at low gears, it is more difficult to handle and can brake transmissions like no tomorrow, having a simpler NA racing engine like this wich considering the low weight of the engine contribute to mantain lower the vehicle weight, that can make better times stamps, remember, "more power can make you fast in the straights, but lower weight can make you faster everywear" - Colin Chapman But, as you, I too enjoy really fast turboed cars, lot of drifts😂😂
haha we love turbos too! Everything has a place though and no one is stopping you from showing up at every event Alex is at with some snails bolted on and trying to change his mind with your raw speed 😉 - Taz.
As someone who has been developing a turbo Miata for 3 years now, I can assure you its not nearly as easy as buying a turbo kit and slapping it on. From re-thinking the entire cooling and PCV systems, to fabricating heat shields and heat reflective materials, finding the right combination of oil lines and restrictors to distribute oil pressure, wasting time and money on a piggyback only to trash it for standalone, eliminating the power plant frame and fabricating a transmission mount and diff brace, frame rail stiffeners, the list goes on, and on, and on. Its fun spanking Mopars with my girl car, though 😊.
I was gonna be that guy that’s like “But i know someone” and the more i thought about it i was like “No i don’t lol they’re all complicated asf and when you come down to it a better/bigger(or just more efficient) turbo can get the same results if not better.
sure turbo lag is a trade-off. but speaking of stress, instant torque is killer on transmissions. loose converters and auto trannys are perfect for turbos and many systems are available that let the user edit the boost climb and pressures in each gear and at each throttle position. turbos are better nowadays simply because we have the tech that lets you swap a pulley, by changing 16 to 20 in your boost controller in seconds
I suppose one exception could be hill climbing to a very high altitude?
But that's not British hill climbing, Pike's may go up over 4km but it's don't.
But up there in the thin air maybe it makes it worthwhile.
100% correct.
Dont know anything about British hill climbing but surely a smaller turbo would be sufficient for these sorts of courses? The powerband on my 911 turbo is very linear from the factory but with a tune it becomes a bit too much in the twistys. The nice thing about modern boost control is that you can map boost to be smooth or hit hard.
@@scottchelmford7136 OEM road car forced induction development is very involved. The end result is quite wonderful but to achieve that level of refinement on a competition vehicle would be just too involved for most competitors.
P.s. jealous of your Porsche!
@a-091-l2j yea,fair enough ..tuning a turbo on an n/a car isn't feasible for most of us
@@scottchelmford7136 depends on class.
Also u can run connected bigger and smaller turbo and anti lag.
Or supercharger with turbo and then u get intresting results
If your pockets are overflowing with money then of course get an Indycar engine, duh, hello?!
Usable horsepower on twisty roads is mostly the same across weight classes of cars. Turbos and superchargers are mostly for show or up hill big straights.
Electric car builders: "You just don't need the stress, both metaphorically and literally, and you still have torque problems, you still have heat problems and you still have transmission problems, so i got rid of that big heavy and complicated V8..."
😂😉😉😉👍
With an electric motor and a CVT on each wheel for an all-wheel-drive effect.
Blasphemy.. Turbos are supreme.
@@tyquanwashington.8510 prove it
@@yingzheng9619 Turbo chargers on a general scale can produce more power than other means of forced induction. They don't have parasitic draw and modern turbochargers can minimise turbo lag, or you eliminate all lag through use of multiple turbocharger setups. Also, an engine with a smaller displacement can outperform a naturally aspirated engine of equal cylinder displacement. Shall I go on?
@@yingzheng9619google turbo normalization. You could use a turbo to run an NA engine that self corrects as air gets thinner. Lol.
@@tykiahjames9372Like it or not, but turbochargers still have a parasitic draw, even if not that significant. Turbochargers add much higher complexity to engines at high costs and are unreliable. Not to mention the backpressure that goes along with it.
@@tyquanwashington.8510 who cares
Normally everything on this channel is logical and educational. No turbo no deal!
Just put it on perspective respect the task were it will be in, in this case, tiny twisted hillclimb roads, you can have a turbo car works? Yes, it will be powerful? Yes, it will be fast? Yes, it will have more weight? Yes, it will be simpler than have a real racing car engine like the one in the video? No, it will cost more? Probably if the base engine is a pure racing one like the one in this video, will it be easy to drive up the hill with tons of torque? Nope, will it be gentle on the gearbox and driveshafts? Nope, and so on... Turbos can have tons of torque, that simply destroys traction in corners at low gears, it is more difficult to handle and can brake transmissions like no tomorrow, having a simpler NA racing engine like this wich considering the low weight of the engine contribute to mantain lower the vehicle weight, that can make better times stamps, remember, "more power can make you fast in the straights, but lower weight can make you faster everywear" - Colin Chapman
But, as you, I too enjoy really fast turboed cars, lot of drifts😂😂
haha we love turbos too! Everything has a place though and no one is stopping you from showing up at every event Alex is at with some snails bolted on and trying to change his mind with your raw speed 😉 - Taz.
no turbo no smile