My main thought after listening to this is that personally I'm happy that we no longer have a One True Canon of The Objectively Good Movies. The culture as a whole doesn't remember specific movies as much anymore cause we're no longer in the era where the entire culture had one or two movies to look at per year. I've always found a lot more interest in whatever specific movies match my vibes rather than knowing a canon of directors and the best movies.
Hey I can dig anything that moves in a direction where gatekeepers are fewer. I guess it makes me worried though: like, canonizing the Mona Lisa, for example, isn’t merely reducible to gatekeeping (though the art world is full of it). There’s something masterful and important that art history canonizes re: the Mona Lisa. Same with a film like The Godfather. Right? So how do take that idea and translate over into this discussion?
I’m not sure if you bring it up later since I’m only halfway through the conversation but when you’re talking about the sa scene in the later part of the film. I believe the director decided to go there not to break that subtle tension that Michael pointed out but to directly parallel the architecture that the film is inspired by. It’s supposed to be brutal and just as sharp and maybe unapologetically forceful with its message
How dare Michael claim Barry Jenkins didn't make anything good after Moonlight? That man made If Beale Street Could Talk and The Underground Railroad miniseries, BUDDY oowee
I think that's the mark of a really valuable cinematic achievement. Even when a film doesn't hold together entirely, if it wiggles its way into our heads and makes us think... that's valuable in itself! Especially cause most cinema and even online content doesn't make us think at all! haha
@@austinhayden agreed! Simply noticing that it made me think makes me want to reconsider my “media” diet. It shouldn’t feel so foreign for what I consume to have that effect.
All the talk of desire got me thinking about Queer and Luca Guadagnino. Which, please please talk about Call Me By Your Name, Queer, or fuck it all of the Guadagnino desire trilogy films lol.
I wonder if it's that nothing lasts or that we all have our disparate things that last for us and it's not as universal as it once was, like how I'll keep talking about Professor Marston and the Wonder Women (2017) until I'm dead but don't expect anyone else to, and won't talk about Barbie
Yeah, there's absolutely something to that. Also, films just aren't as important to us culturally as they once were. They aren't like landmark cultural products for as many people any more.
@@austinhayden I was trying to spot it while I was watching and it was hard to detect. I figure it might be those B-roll shots of the cities and long shots of construction. My feeling would depend on where the footage derives - if the model is trained on fair use media it seems ok to me. $10 million isn't a huge budget? Maybe it was an effective way to save money. I doubt the model was trained on fair use media though.
@@austinhayden We seemingly can’t move on from past cinema that plays a significant role in our current pop culture. Sure they're important for a reason but I feel we're in a constant Groundhog Day of reboots and remakes. As someone born after the 90s, I feel as if I missed the golden age of cinema and the only thing I get to see is cheap imitations of what’s came before
@@austinhayden its better than you think. Best musical of last year, if not few years. it is a musical though so keep that in mind. if its the monkey or not knowing Robbie Williams putting you off, get over it and embrace the madness
Raymond was _Cooooooking_ and now I want to get a bunch of books on architecture and mid-century design more broadly
My main thought after listening to this is that personally I'm happy that we no longer have a One True Canon of The Objectively Good Movies. The culture as a whole doesn't remember specific movies as much anymore cause we're no longer in the era where the entire culture had one or two movies to look at per year. I've always found a lot more interest in whatever specific movies match my vibes rather than knowing a canon of directors and the best movies.
Hey I can dig anything that moves in a direction where gatekeepers are fewer. I guess it makes me worried though: like, canonizing the Mona Lisa, for example, isn’t merely reducible to gatekeeping (though the art world is full of it). There’s something masterful and important that art history canonizes re: the Mona Lisa. Same with a film like The Godfather. Right? So how do take that idea and translate over into this discussion?
Michael you're really good at this. Would love to see you on more of these.
Yeah, he’s done it a handful of times before haha :)
Raymond left to make a movie and Austin seized the opportunity to get an early start on his Fall beard
I will aaaaaabsolutely be here for Hypernormalization, I went and watched it after Michael sang its praises on the main channel a few months back
one of the most cinematic experiences ive had in the theater in quite a while
Thanks For this ❤❤❤❤
Thank you!!!
Love the honest hate of Raymond. Really got me to reconsider watching this. Sounds like a lot of trauma p*rn
I’m not sure if you bring it up later since I’m only halfway through the conversation but when you’re talking about the sa scene in the later part of the film. I believe the director decided to go there not to break that subtle tension that Michael pointed out but to directly parallel the architecture that the film is inspired by. It’s supposed to be brutal and just as sharp and maybe unapologetically forceful with its message
How dare Michael claim Barry Jenkins didn't make anything good after Moonlight? That man made If Beale Street Could Talk and The Underground Railroad miniseries, BUDDY oowee
you're totally right I forgot about the Underground Railroad series - which rips.
I also continue to think about the movie. It really soaks into your mind. I think that’s due to the pacing.
I think that's the mark of a really valuable cinematic achievement. Even when a film doesn't hold together entirely, if it wiggles its way into our heads and makes us think... that's valuable in itself! Especially cause most cinema and even online content doesn't make us think at all! haha
@@austinhayden agreed! Simply noticing that it made me think makes me want to reconsider my “media” diet. It shouldn’t feel so foreign for what I consume to have that effect.
All the talk of desire got me thinking about Queer and Luca Guadagnino. Which, please please talk about Call Me By Your Name, Queer, or fuck it all of the Guadagnino desire trilogy films lol.
I really wanna see Queer! Maybe we can add that one soon actually!!!
@ Yoo I didn’t think you’d reply, that’s crazy haha! That would be sick!!
I wonder if it's that nothing lasts or that we all have our disparate things that last for us and it's not as universal as it once was, like how I'll keep talking about Professor Marston and the Wonder Women (2017) until I'm dead but don't expect anyone else to, and won't talk about Barbie
Yeah, there's absolutely something to that. Also, films just aren't as important to us culturally as they once were. They aren't like landmark cultural products for as many people any more.
Did I miss the AI talk?
Nah, we kinda left it out cause we got caught up in so many other topics. But I have some thoughts. You?
@@austinhayden I was trying to spot it while I was watching and it was hard to detect. I figure it might be those B-roll shots of the cities and long shots of construction.
My feeling would depend on where the footage derives - if the model is trained on fair use media it seems ok to me. $10 million isn't a huge budget? Maybe it was an effective way to save money. I doubt the model was trained on fair use media though.
Why didn't anyone tell me the lighting made me look so sunburned? Fuckin hell... haha
Too busy admiring your gorgeous features. Michael's right you're way hotter than Brady Corbet.
Could you say we’re in nostalgia limbo?
I love this phrase. Can you elaborate on what you mean?
@@austinhayden We seemingly can’t move on from past cinema that plays a significant role in our current pop culture. Sure they're important for a reason but I feel we're in a constant Groundhog Day of reboots and remakes. As someone born after the 90s, I feel as if I missed the golden age of cinema and the only thing I get to see is cheap imitations of what’s came before
Austin is the TEMU version of Michael
So many times in this discussion I thought "Better Man" does all this and nobody cares
Haven’t seen it yet. Really had no desire to but maybe it’s worth it…?
@@austinhayden its better than you think. Best musical of last year, if not few years. it is a musical though so keep that in mind.
if its the monkey or not knowing Robbie Williams putting you off, get over it and embrace the madness
@@PeterZeeke ok. Madness it is :)
@ 🙌🙌🙌🐵 Aww man, you've gotta tell us what you thought, hope you dont hate it
As an architectural style, I hate brutalism...
Whaaaaaa?!? Why?
@austinhayden Cold and hard, almost anti-artistic. Hurts my soul.