Amazing sound! Amazing car! Amazing idling speed! Amazing four rotor Wankel engine! Amazing champion of '98 years of Le Mans! One of the best racing cars of this world! Amazing video, thanks!
People hate on Rotary Engines because they can have low compression problems if there not being taken care of, But to me.... They Are the best motors out ther, Not to mention there are no other motors that are like the Rotary Engines! But all other Engines are very similar! If I had the money I would buy a couple Rotary Engines by there selves and throw them in cars they should be in, Like the Mazda Miata or even some more RX series from Mazda, People just need to learn about these awsome Motors and know that they just need more oil then other cars.
for things like racing these engines are really good, for daily use not as they burn petrol+oil and they can have problems of compression when they're in a mid temperature. This engines have been banned from many racing series so there's no way you can test it. When you ban something others don't have (Germans) it's for something
Both rotary cars and bikes have been comprehensively show as useless when raced against piston engines of the SAME capacity...but you wouldnt understand that.
Manoo42 because they're completely different and they can't be compared in terms of engine size. A rotary engine needs much less engine capacity to produce the same power than a piston engine (because i think you're thinking the opposite). For example the 787b was only a 2.6liters NA engine producing 700hp and it was able to produce almost 150hp more if you increased the rev limit 1k. What do you need to produce that amount of hp in a NA piston?? A 3.5l??.
The 767 was built for the 24 Hours of Le Mans, but for four years earlier. It also used a different 4 rotor engine than the 787B, the 13J. While Oreca had involvement in the 787B for Le Mans in 1991, the car was actually built by Mazda.
correct, 767 was built for american racing, IMSA and daytona. It used the same engine as the 787 (the 26b) but there are several differences in the cars due to homologation, and the 787 was built by Oreca.
yes... thats why alot of people have given up on it. The Rotary is notorious for bad gas mileage and lots of pollution. But there are a few people who are working to make the rotary more efficient wich is nice. You should look at the Mazda Furi it runs on e100 wich is pretty damn green imo.
the other half (not us) argue that the 26b was able to adjust fuel consumpution to such a high degree, it allowed both cars to skip a pit stop over night. Remember this thing was racing against v12 7.4l Jaguar engines and the 3.4l Twin turbo porsche engine-both fast by todays standards. Mazda was able to dial fuel consumption back enough to skip a second pit stop in the morning when they already had the lead....this made porsche and mercedes mostly go to the fia and say-not fair.
I wonder when private owner needs a tune, do they pay up and invite guys from Mazda or? cuz not many people on earth knows how to properly handle those 4 rotors...
Man I would gladly murder any ONE of the people hating on this car just to get to hear it do some fly-bys... There's few engines that sound so badass. RBs, 2JZs, LS series in drift cars, and then this. Fuckin' love it.
Tons of respect for Mazda for adopting this tech. Fuck SKYACTIV or whatever bullshit they are peddling now. Fuel consumption be damned, they were peak performers in this day. Rotary engines have that certain raw character to them, and a properly spec'd out engine can sound even more burly than a well-tuned boxer. Though I suppose anyone watching this video can attest to that fact.
+livvidd 767b is from 1988 and have 600 hp, 787b was developed in 1990 and have 900 hp, main difference obviously is increase in power output due to 3 spark plugs per rotor and new intake system.
+livvidd Most obvious difference between 767 and 787 is the radiator intakes on the 767 are from the top surface going under the doors. On the 787 the intake is in the side of the body just behind the doors. The radiators on the 787 are further back in the car to allow this. And as a result the outlets are further back as well. Under the skin there was a new engine for the 787 producing an additional 120bhp (up from 580bhp) and there were numerous small differences as the cars evolved. Mazda ran 3 cars in 1988 :- #201 - 767, #202 - 767, #203 - 757 1989 :- #201 - 767b, #202 - 767b, #203 - 767 1990 :- #201 - 787, #202 - 787b, #203 - 767b 1991 :- #18 - 787b, #55 - 787b, #56 - 787 Source, Never Stop Challenging, Pierre Dieudonne
can someone explain why people always build rotary engines with even number rotors? like two, four, and even six rotors, why not a five rotor? is it proper engine balancing issues?
A 13J isn't basically a 20B. The 13J is a 4 rotor while the 20B is a 3 rotor. While it is light, lifting a 4 rotor without much trouble isn't going to happen.
It's odd because the RX-8 using the wankel engine is one of the least fuel-efficient cars for it's factory output. Do you suppose it is due to regulations or the inherent disadvantage regarding their consumer application? I have no experience with RX-7's so I don't know how those fared.
The 13B-MSP for the RX-8 was designed for for efficiency, IN RELATION TO the RX-7. The engine in the RX-7 isn't what you would have called economical or environmentally friendly. Therefore, if Mazda were to use the rotary again in the RX-8, it needed to be better, more practical, than the sequentially turbo charged, driver focused, RX-7. The RX-8 gets terrible fuel economy. Especially for a car as light as it is and an engine as small as it is. That isn't a 787B, nor is it using a R26B, also.
Nah this is my favourite car but it was never that fast compared to Mercedes and Porsche Group C cars, just lucky and surprisingly reliable/fuel efficient enough to win 1991 (787b at least)
787 series cars ran in 1991 Le Mans races... this is not a 787... 787 used a rotar4 indeed however i will admit i know little about the 767 cars so i will not say whether it is a a rotar 4 or a rotar3 since i dont know... but 767 was not in Le Mans 24h in 1991
RX-7's are worse than RX-8's, fuel consumption wise, due to the forced induction and lack of a revised intake system. Performance, on the other hand, I'd say the RX-7 is heaps better.
Riles07 Interesting that you blame the end user for the fatal design flaws of the rotary engine! I also dont need to design a revolutionary engine in order to recognise one that isnt.
Manoo62 The rotary engine was revolutionary, it was smaller and therefore lighter than a 'conventional' combustion engine, and was also more efficient, but everyone was used to piston engines when it was finally proven to work and there was very little interest in actually producing them for market.
kaboomkid angus How was it revolutionary when it was worse that a piston engines in almost all respects? More efficient! your having a laff right. After 40 years of development from Mazda they didnt solve any of the fatal flaws with rotaries and have now basically given up. Something that most other car manufacturers worked out in the seventies when they all ended their rotary development programs.
Riles07 The 787B had a redline of 10,500 rpm current formula 1 engines are limited by the rules to 18,000 rpm but are capable of higher speeds. The 787B 4 rotor race engine weighs the same as the old Ferrari V12 F1 engine. Definitely more than the average modern aluminum racing piston engine. The 787B ran 700bhp at Le Mans, less than most other car in the same class and way less torque. You seem to think that less torque/power in a race car is a good thing!!!! Mazda has long since stopped making the RX8 and announced in Nov 2013 they would not be reviving the rotary.
This thing idling sounds better than most cars revving...
I come here at least once a week to hear this :)
this is THE dream car, could you imagine reving this thing to the moon on a private track!
Thank you for the upload, Rotaries are music to my ears!
I swear the last 15 seconds this thing is saying LET ME LOOSE ON THE TRACK AGAINST THOSE PISSY CYLINDERS TYPES lol.
Wow, 5 minutes and 15 seconds of pure excitement.
That car is so angry. :D
I wonder how many gallons of fuel they went through in the last 15 minutes?
Amazing sound! Amazing car! Amazing idling speed! Amazing four rotor Wankel engine! Amazing champion of '98 years of Le Mans! One of the best racing cars of this world! Amazing video, thanks!
I want this on CD so I can go to sleep listening to this beautiful sound!
The private owner has a great taste!
What a sound. Rotary rules
Only the 787B had the R26B engine. The 767B used a J13 engine.
Weather or not it runs on beans, I fucking love that sound.
People hate on Rotary Engines because they can have low compression problems if there not being taken care of, But to me.... They Are the best motors out ther, Not to mention there are no other motors that are like the Rotary Engines! But all other Engines are very similar! If I had the money I would buy a couple Rotary Engines by there selves and throw them in cars they should be in, Like the Mazda Miata or even some more RX series from Mazda, People just need to learn about these awsome Motors and know that they just need more oil then other cars.
manco
So basically you think you know more than the rest of the motor industry put together?!?!?!!!
for things like racing these engines are really good, for daily use not as they burn petrol+oil and they can have problems of compression when they're in a mid temperature. This engines have been banned from many racing series so there's no way you can test it. When you ban something others don't have (Germans) it's for something
Both rotary cars and bikes have been comprehensively show as useless when raced against piston engines of the SAME capacity...but you wouldnt understand that.
Manoo42 because they're completely different and they can't be compared in terms of engine size. A rotary engine needs much less engine capacity to produce the same power than a piston engine (because i think you're thinking the opposite). For example the 787b was only a 2.6liters NA engine producing 700hp and it was able to produce almost 150hp more if you increased the rev limit 1k. What do you need to produce that amount of hp in a NA piston?? A 3.5l??.
Idling at such low rpm sounds awesome.
The 767 was built for the 24 Hours of Le Mans, but for four years earlier. It also used a different 4 rotor engine than the 787B, the 13J. While Oreca had involvement in the 787B for Le Mans in 1991, the car was actually built by Mazda.
correct, 767 was built for american racing, IMSA and daytona. It used the same engine as the 787 (the 26b) but there are several differences in the cars due to homologation, and the 787 was built by Oreca.
yes... thats why alot of people have given up on it. The Rotary is notorious for bad gas mileage and lots of pollution. But there are a few people who are working to make the rotary more efficient wich is nice. You should look at the Mazda Furi it runs on e100 wich is pretty damn green imo.
rotors,v8,2 stroke and anything my brothers i giv u the world
i hesitate.. my new wake up ringtone or my new lullaby???
I have met jim before what a great guys. Would be awesome to get to work with art such as this.
the other half (not us) argue that the 26b was able to adjust fuel consumpution to such a high degree, it allowed both cars to skip a pit stop over night. Remember this thing was racing against v12 7.4l Jaguar engines and the 3.4l Twin turbo porsche engine-both fast by todays standards. Mazda was able to dial fuel consumption back enough to skip a second pit stop in the morning when they already had the lead....this made porsche and mercedes mostly go to the fia and say-not fair.
relaxing sound.
quee hermosuraaaaa, es una sinfonia ese motor, muy buenoo........
Woops. Somebody give this guy a thumbs up.
I wonder when private owner needs a tune, do they pay up and invite guys from Mazda or? cuz not many people on earth knows how to properly handle those 4 rotors...
Man I would gladly murder any ONE of the people hating on this car just to get to hear it do some fly-bys... There's few engines that sound so badass. RBs, 2JZs, LS series in drift cars, and then this. Fuckin' love it.
enough to be 100x better than any car you will own
honestly i dont like the sound of rotary engines, but i have to admit that this sounds pretty fucking awesome
Is Jim Downing still around?
Tons of respect for Mazda for adopting this tech. Fuck SKYACTIV or whatever bullshit they are peddling now. Fuel consumption be damned, they were peak performers in this day. Rotary engines have that certain raw character to them, and a properly spec'd out engine can sound even more burly than a well-tuned boxer. Though I suppose anyone watching this video can attest to that fact.
Does thing have a muffler? Kinda looks like it.
Does anybody know if that is the #77 car that was raced here this year?
Mazda 767B screaming 4 rotor at Spa Classic 2014 (incl. idle + revving)
Those braps tho! Love the sound of the 4 rotor 13J-M Wankel engine!
Look at those sexy rims and the sound, omg
Is it that polutive the rotary engine?
whats the main difference between the 767b and the 787b?
+livvidd 767b is from 1988 and have 600 hp, 787b was developed in 1990 and have 900 hp, main difference obviously is increase in power output due to 3 spark plugs per rotor and new intake system.
***** en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazda_787B
+livvidd
Most obvious difference between 767 and 787 is the radiator intakes on the 767 are from the top surface going under the doors.
On the 787 the intake is in the side of the body just behind the doors. The radiators on the 787 are further back in the car to allow this. And as a result the outlets are further back as well.
Under the skin there was a new engine for the 787 producing an additional 120bhp (up from 580bhp) and there were numerous small differences as the cars evolved.
Mazda ran 3 cars in 1988 :-
#201 - 767, #202 - 767, #203 - 757
1989 :-
#201 - 767b, #202 - 767b, #203 - 767
1990 :-
#201 - 787, #202 - 787b, #203 - 767b
1991 :-
#18 - 787b, #55 - 787b, #56 - 787
Source, Never Stop Challenging, Pierre Dieudonne
Only the 767b use 13J , the 787b use 26B motor
here's a car I taped a number of years ago, a walk around and then he started it.
Mazda GTP, HSR , Sebring 2007
I wonder how many miles to the pound of rice it gets?
26B???? Did you mean a 13J?
can someone explain why people always build rotary engines with even number rotors? like two, four, and even six rotors, why not a five rotor? is it proper engine balancing issues?
there are many 3-rotors too. Look for the 20B.
The 767b has a 20b triple rotor engine. The 787b has a 26b quad rotor engine.
4 rotor 13j
was the 787 faster than the 767?
Rotor porn I must take a cold shower😛..........
Coming to Assetto corsa :D
And the sound is exactly the same...not like in others sims :)
What the name of music bro ? Its so nice
I'm pretty sure the car uses the 13J not a 26B...
How much does it eat?
A 13J isn't basically a 20B. The 13J is a 4 rotor while the 20B is a 3 rotor. While it is light, lifting a 4 rotor without much trouble isn't going to happen.
What's the difference between a rotor v6 and inline 6
There are no "v"s in rotary engine. This has four rotors in an inline pattern one in front of the other.
so what about a inline 6 engine
Are you aware what a rotor is? There are no pistons, there are triangles that move in a cuticular motion around a crank (eccentric shaft)
Not being rude or trying to bring you down I just don't know if you know what a rotor looks like
I know a rotor looks like lol
I like rotory too and owned a few rebuilt a few. but hands down after owning and working on them. would much rather have my v8 !
why?
It's odd because the RX-8 using the wankel engine is one of the least fuel-efficient cars for it's factory output. Do you suppose it is due to regulations or the inherent disadvantage regarding their consumer application? I have no experience with RX-7's so I don't know how those fared.
It would need a new set of spark plugs to go on to the race track after all that idling and over fueling.
So Beast!!
how is it different than the 787B?
That's not true this is still a rotary.
I can't believe you just said that.
... what ozone?
if i had the money to own one of those cars i would probably track day it all the time
This car never raced at the 1991 24 Hours of Le Mans.
Six Rotor next OK!!!!!
Look it up there is one in an rx4 coupe built here in new zealand and one in a bmw in south africa. Engine also built in new zealand. Braaaaap
The 13B-MSP for the RX-8 was designed for for efficiency, IN RELATION TO the RX-7. The engine in the RX-7 isn't what you would have called economical or environmentally friendly. Therefore, if Mazda were to use the rotary again in the RX-8, it needed to be better, more practical, than the sequentially turbo charged, driver focused, RX-7. The RX-8 gets terrible fuel economy. Especially for a car as light as it is and an engine as small as it is. That isn't a 787B, nor is it using a R26B, also.
If i wanted to watch a mazda idle for 4 and a half fucking minutes, I'd go to the drive-thru mcdonalds....
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You can't put a jet engine in car. I'll take a wild guess and say this is like two RX-7 engines combined. Sooooo RX-7?
.... Anything is possible.
sou apaixonado por carros mazda....
what does this run on.... cans of beans?
dat sound of ratary engine its so fcking hot...
so hold up a 26 b is just 2 wankle engines together?
Corey Harrison four rotor ?
+Corey Harrison Basically two 13b's {4 rotors total}.
I think to be considered "one of the fastest racing cars in the world" it might would have to win a race first.
Is this not a 767B?
It's a 787B
IBANEZfil
wrong its a 767b
IS ALIVE!! EURECA!!
LMAO at 1:15, EVERY guy there filming it :-)
In 1991 yes. Newer cars are a lot faster, like the R18 E-tron for example.
Not one of the fastest anymore, but in it's day it was. It dominated the 24 hours of Le Mans
Nah this is my favourite car but it was never that fast compared to Mercedes and Porsche Group C cars, just lucky and surprisingly reliable/fuel efficient enough to win 1991 (787b at least)
i just really wanted him to lay it down!
The Rotary is terrible for the ozone... But its so fcking worth it....
787 series cars ran in 1991 Le Mans races... this is not a 787... 787 used a rotar4 indeed however i will admit i know little about the 767 cars so i will not say whether it is a a rotar 4 or a rotar3 since i dont know... but 767 was not in Le Mans 24h in 1991
i saw it at laguna seca a couple weeks ago it ran like shit, the other Rotarys kicked ass tho.
efi 'n shit1
no backfire nuthing!
767 or 787 ?
they're two different cars
I know but usually It's the 787b that I watch on these kind of videos. I've never heard of the 767
13J, not 26B...
dont get me wrong, this racecar is amazing.... but this video could have been 30 seconds long with the same effect
So Fuckin badass!!!!!!!!
Mazdarati!
I all my vehicles idled like that...
Not any worse then a chainsaw. And i bet theres more saws out there running, spewing bar and chain oil then there are rotarys
sorry the engine the 787 uses is the 26b
sounds very similar to a motoGP bike
Ahh, Rotary,,,The Car They Ban After,Le,Mans,,,,zoom ,zoom🍺🍺🏝
Why buy a cam when your whole engine can be the cam? :D
You're mistaken for the 787B. This is the 767. This car never saw a victory.
Engine Rotor rotary walken
damn i just jizzed hahaha
RX-7's are worse than RX-8's, fuel consumption wise, due to the forced induction and lack of a revised intake system. Performance, on the other hand, I'd say the RX-7 is heaps better.
So where are all the rotary engine cars now?....Ha!
Riles07
Interesting that you blame the end user for the fatal design flaws of the rotary engine!
I also dont need to design a revolutionary engine in order to recognise one that isnt.
Manoo62
I dont even know if I agree with you but well said sir
Manoo62 The rotary engine was revolutionary, it was smaller and therefore lighter than a 'conventional' combustion engine, and was also more efficient, but everyone was used to piston engines when it was finally proven to work and there was very little interest in actually producing them for market.
kaboomkid angus
How was it revolutionary when it was worse that a piston engines in almost all respects?
More efficient! your having a laff right. After 40 years of development from Mazda they didnt solve any of the fatal flaws with rotaries and have now basically given up. Something that most other car manufacturers worked out in the seventies when they all ended their rotary development programs.
Riles07
The 787B had a redline of 10,500 rpm current formula 1 engines are limited by the rules to 18,000 rpm but are capable of higher speeds.
The 787B 4 rotor race engine weighs the same as the old Ferrari V12 F1 engine. Definitely more than the average modern aluminum racing piston engine.
The 787B ran 700bhp at Le Mans, less than most other car in the same class and way less torque.
You seem to think that less torque/power in a race car is a good thing!!!!
Mazda has long since stopped making the RX8 and announced in Nov 2013 they would not be reviving the rotary.
Que barulho feio desse motor! Mas o carro é TOP! *---*
yes 787b is alot faster then the 767
Man that looks like a toxic stew in a closed space.
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