Media and judicial accountability, highs and lows of 2024, remembering Manmohan Singh | Hafta 517

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  • @newslaundry
    @newslaundry  หลายเดือนก่อน +6

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  • @maqsoodqureishi9892
    @maqsoodqureishi9892 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    Manmohan Singh description is very correct. He is not only known for his economic policies but for humility, his down to earth behavior. BUT to expect his demise will bring some good in bringing ruling & opposition parties near is highly misplaced. He was disturbed with this differences but the ruling party, particularly PM attacked this most loved ex-PM

    • @appajirao
      @appajirao หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes, Dr.MMS is the most humiliated PM in the Country and perhaps in the world !

    • @appajirao
      @appajirao หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Abhinandan ,
      You are one of the few competent journalist anchors .
      But, it appears , you seem to be brainwashed by tukde tukde vichar.
      Be yourself and be little more objective.
      Do you really feel BJP govt is persecuting Journalists who criticize them ?
      Can you say that journalists were never persecuted before ?
      Shed this anti Modiji / BJP phobia.
      We

    • @appajirao
      @appajirao หลายเดือนก่อน

      You should look at Ashoka University and it's teaching staff to know about integrity of Dr.MMS.

    • @appajirao
      @appajirao หลายเดือนก่อน

      The real low of 2024 is how the Constitutional position of LoP is reduced to that of a court jester.
      Wonder how you guys missed it !

    • @appajirao
      @appajirao หลายเดือนก่อน

      Three dynasts in LS is another low of 2024 .
      Wonder again how you missed it !

  • @RashidKhan-bk9hm
    @RashidKhan-bk9hm หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    Dr Manmohan Singh was the very epitome of decency and sobriety besides being a highly qualifiedworld respected economist of eminence. His understanding of the common man across class and caste divide and their hardships was beyond compare. Present leaders can only aspire but never attain the insights that Dr Singh had.

  • @himanshubaranwal11
    @himanshubaranwal11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Thanks!

  • @patrioticindian57
    @patrioticindian57 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    MMS will be remembered as a Gentleman Leader. He was a PM who was not a politician in the classical sense. India will miss him but will not forget his contributions.

  • @jpshukla266
    @jpshukla266 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Thanks

  • @Prayukth
    @Prayukth หลายเดือนก่อน +53

    India doesn't deserve a Dr. Singh. Instead Indian whatsapp educated voters deserve a barely educated Adani proxy who cannot even face the press let alone facing problems the nation is dealing with today. RIP Dr. Singh

    • @curiosity_fan
      @curiosity_fan หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      No. No country deserves such people from the outlook but every country neeeeeeds an iconic person like Dr. Manmohan Singh at the top helm of their country. The world would be a much better place to live.

    • @distilledpoison7563
      @distilledpoison7563 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Yeah maunmohan Singh

    • @curiosity_fan
      @curiosity_fan หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@distilledpoison7563 The disrespect to a person just died and a former PM says a lot about you.

    • @beena1146
      @beena1146 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@curiosity_fanwell said

    • @earther-v2w
      @earther-v2w หลายเดือนก่อน

      Dr. Singh does not seem typically Indian. While his physical appearance suggests he is Indian, his thoughts and actions reflect those of a Western-educated individual, perhaps someone schooled at Oxford. In contrast, Modi embodies the quintessential Indian, and his team comes across as a band of thugs. The national personalities and role models of India today are Baba Ramdev, Adani, Ambani, and the BJP.

  • @GillGurleen
    @GillGurleen หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thanks!

  • @sureshmurty6523
    @sureshmurty6523 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    The person on the top makes a huge difference to a country. Manmohan Singh's decade was still the older secular India with the chaos and problems but remained a democracy. The decade after him has been the rise of fascism and Hindu bigotry of the worst kind. India has undergone a transformation for the worse in every way. Nobody is happy including the top people. Mistrust and corruption are the order of the day.

  • @PrashantProhit
    @PrashantProhit หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    Neerajaji is overly optimistic when she says that MMS in his death is a unifying figure because the government is giving him a state funeral.
    The fact is, the State has to give an ex-PM a state funeral.
    But they are creating another controversy as Congress says, by cremating him on an ‘ordinary’ cremation ground they are insulting him.
    I won’t be surprised if that’s the government’s real intention.

    • @stanleyibkiss-vo2cl
      @stanleyibkiss-vo2cl หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Exactly. Give it 1 or 2 days and the bitterness will start with even more profoundness. All these phrases such as unifying figure sound good only for conversations

    • @PrabhatKumar-b1p5v
      @PrabhatKumar-b1p5v หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@PrashantProhit India is a democratic country, not dynastic country. There is no need for Samaadhi for public leaders.

    • @parmar-44
      @parmar-44 หลายเดือนก่อน

      They need it because India is a democracy they need to set an example by doing it which is that one could be from different party or a religion or race if someone revived country from crisis he should e remembered and honoured

    • @parmar-44
      @parmar-44 หลายเดือนก่อน

      He wasn’t just ordinary leader he literally was a definition of true leader unlike some self declared father of the nation

    • @parmar-44
      @parmar-44 หลายเดือนก่อน

      And he shouldn’t be just honoured because of ex pm he was one of the greatest economist India had just like an democratic nation would honour any other ideal figure as we have done in the past. Infact a nation which would never do such thing would be dynastic country if that makes sense to you he wasn’t coming from a political family or a party he was coming from his hard work.

  • @rajeshkumarchand8802
    @rajeshkumarchand8802 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Dr Manmohan Singh ji will be remembered for
    - Giving RIGHTs to common citizens.
    - For Focused growth on Economy for poor, middle class and the Corporate equally.
    - Intellect in Governance matters.
    - Marketing doesn't matter, it's actions speak more than words.
    - People felt, especially minorities, felt safe during his PM-ship.
    - No false promises.
    A great man and a loss to the nation.

  • @fizaaman4603
    @fizaaman4603 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    You know if anyone asks me who is a real patriot it’s Dr Manmohan Singh sir because he devoted his life for India who disrespected him , insulted and humiliated him. When the Delhi case happened he put out a press conference immediately, he listened to people criticising him and never insulted anyone as he was. A true patriot indeed.

  • @anjusingh440
    @anjusingh440 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    You guys doing a great job Newslaundry 👍

  • @tapashsengupta-lu7st
    @tapashsengupta-lu7st หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Dr Manmohan Singh was apolitical politician an outstanding professional and the most Imandar human being.
    A big salute to him.

  • @aninaalexander7814
    @aninaalexander7814 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Dr Manmohan Singh was such a great person and a Congress man 👍

  • @prafullbhandari7242
    @prafullbhandari7242 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Wonderful panelist ❤❤ and brilliant discourse

  • @jvbenjamin
    @jvbenjamin หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Happy New Year to the entire Newslaundry Team! Best Wishes! 😊

  • @raviasha8257
    @raviasha8257 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Very interesting discussion. Enjoyed it very much.

  • @KD4274ok
    @KD4274ok หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I truly love this channel. ❤

  • @lalramchandrasinghdeo1483
    @lalramchandrasinghdeo1483 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great panel, great channel. 👍

  • @AbhishekThakur-d8t
    @AbhishekThakur-d8t หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    In Himachal Pradesh Shimla we are very eager to see snow ❄️ because of the climate change it is reducing year by year this is biggest concern right now environmental issues should be discussed

    • @delhikanpur789
      @delhikanpur789 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Upper caste like you dont care cause people like have ruined india.

  • @acc-student
    @acc-student หลายเดือนก่อน

    ❤ thank you team❤

  • @maqsoodqureishi9892
    @maqsoodqureishi9892 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Elections cannot take place without public participation. So I presume, all election records are PUBLIC PROPERTY. Public including political parties cannot be denied access to any election record. I think political parties should approach SC and I feel SC will strike down this amendment saying this is unconstitutional. Particularly when a court has already instructed to provide election record to EC

  • @pardeeptandon
    @pardeeptandon หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    During the Manmohan Singh Decade, our GDP grew by 2.83 times, while Modi barely doubled. The GDP per capita also grew faster during the Sardars' time. In 2004, Net FII inflow was 0.8 % of GDP, which grew to 1.7% by 2014, but Modani brought it down to under 1.5%. Even our SENSEX was at 4792 in June 2004, which increased fivefold to 24368 in 2014. In June 2024, it was 73660, barely jumping threefold in a decade.

  • @MOHAMMAD-yc5yf
    @MOHAMMAD-yc5yf หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Very good and informative video

  • @pardeeptandon3023
    @pardeeptandon3023 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    During the Manmohan Singh Decade, our GDP grew by 2.83 times, while Modi barely doubled. The GDP per capita also grew faster during the Sardars' time. In 2004, Net FII inflow was 0.8 % of GDP, which grew to 1.7% by 2014, but Modani brought it down to under 1.5%. Even our SENSEX was at 4792 in June 2004, which increased fivefold to 24368 in 2014. In June 2024, it was 73660, barely jumping threefold in a decade.

  • @anjusingh440
    @anjusingh440 หลายเดือนก่อน

    talking about AQI... here in South Delhi next to South Campus Ridge area next to Delhi Cantt (Anand Niketan where I live) the air should be cleaner than other parts of Delhi. But it is the worst mostly... because of bad planning of traffic flow / flyovers etc... there is a constant traffic jam (heading towards the IGI and Gurgaon) ... so yes.. traffic flow is important (I am sorry, banning cars from driving is not the solution)... plan better traffic flow.. omgosh.. so many things are so interconnected :o

  • @narendra2492
    @narendra2492 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Please also discuss the role of private capital in Indian politics. Current LS configuration is the wish of private capital not of anyone else. I am your subscriber.

  • @sakshamgupta9981
    @sakshamgupta9981 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I LOVE YOU MANISHA PANDEY💘💘💘💘💘💘💘💘💘💘💘💘💘💘

  • @nirmalajohn3732
    @nirmalajohn3732 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Neeraja has of late become a spokesperson for the BJP eversince the release of her book . I hope she will give an unbiased report on Mr. Singh &spare him any further undeserved criticism .

  • @kingkongbong71
    @kingkongbong71 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Happy New Year !!!🎉

  • @sureshkaul2552
    @sureshkaul2552 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Inshah Allah

  • @oflavia2910
    @oflavia2910 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I AGREE pls put significant videos outside paywall.. I am a subscriber. But would love these to be shared with all

  • @Jaypalan.
    @Jaypalan. หลายเดือนก่อน

    🔥

  • @Shashank-r8h
    @Shashank-r8h หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    One of the best channel on TH-cam
    I'm obsessed with your work
    Fantastic 😍😍

  • @tejalshitalshah
    @tejalshitalshah หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Kudos Manisha for calling out on Nirja for so consistently forgetting the abysmal speech by the PM of our country.

  • @anjusingh440
    @anjusingh440 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Yes.. Trumph makes Bush look good ....
    Besides that, I fully agree with the observation that Ambedkar is going to be an increasingly relevant subject in the soon coming future

  • @jineshudani401
    @jineshudani401 หลายเดือนก่อน

    My man Madan said a lot without saying anything!

  • @RN-News-Info-Podcasts
    @RN-News-Info-Podcasts หลายเดือนก่อน

    Request to fix the chapters, they seem to copy-pasted from some earlier video. Thanks in advance.

  • @tejalshitalshah
    @tejalshitalshah หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Abhinandan a request….stop keeping time vocally…it kind of signals a rush and it’s annoying…I mean the guests might also feel rushed in.

  • @achutanadapana2519
    @achutanadapana2519 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It is not Delhi Govt( AAP) but LG has issued this checking of Bangladesh students.

  • @osilkp884
    @osilkp884 หลายเดือนก่อน

    🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻👍👍👏👏👏

  • @manjeetkolte8601
    @manjeetkolte8601 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Dear Newslaundry, why dont you guys enable pay as you like on youtube videos for additional revenue along with push for monthly subscriptions ?
    You'd definitely generate enough revenue to cover significant overhead office expenses.

  • @narendra2492
    @narendra2492 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Please also discuss the role of private capital in Indian politics. Current LS configuration is the wish of private capital not of anyone else.

  • @rameshsaligram3450
    @rameshsaligram3450 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Kashmir was one I was interested
    Well please keep on covering Kashmir

  • @vishnulalwani5283
    @vishnulalwani5283 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Dear Abhinandan, I correctly remember that u were also very vocal against Singh before election.

  • @KasyapaPerera-nm7tl
    @KasyapaPerera-nm7tl หลายเดือนก่อน

    There is no compulsory obligation to answer all the questions put it into a person if the answer affect such person

  • @dilbaghsingh5182
    @dilbaghsingh5182 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Interesting. Is it an election commission directive to the court or a notice by the Hon’ble court to the election commission to respond? This is the peculiar response of the CEC to the notice of the court.

  • @txlish
    @txlish หลายเดือนก่อน

    @Manisha book review - Am a fan of (Aanand)Vardhanji - Simplicity of putting the things out (what otherwise may lack skilled journalists sophistication) -:) I look forward to scour UTube for his 2012 piece on Dr Singh.

  • @IndicWing88
    @IndicWing88 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    NEWSLATRINE took funding from P13R Lombdiyar (l silent) network. It's rich u sat in their godi and preach to others😂

  • @kalyansingh6701
    @kalyansingh6701 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You guys discussing what they were chatting on dinner table , can you give any examples of such talks at present?

  • @Abazigal100
    @Abazigal100 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What was the song at the end?

  • @anjusingh440
    @anjusingh440 หลายเดือนก่อน

    And Ya... Happy New Year😁

  • @PS0-y4x
    @PS0-y4x หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Happy New Year NL team 🙏🏽🙏🏽 more power to you guys.

  • @txlish
    @txlish หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Please change the jingle of "Ghar ki Murgee" to Ghar ka-Murga/Murgee -:)

  • @v.prashanth
    @v.prashanth หลายเดือนก่อน

    Your show notes doesn't have a working hyperlink to this video.

  • @sudeshdelhi
    @sudeshdelhi หลายเดือนก่อน

    I am not sure if such type of discussion is getting delivered at Villege level as they need to be educated so that they can vote judiciously.

  • @10Catalunya10
    @10Catalunya10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Please get Ravish Kumar as a guest

  • @620jas
    @620jas หลายเดือนก่อน

    What happened to students who protested in parliament some time back, remember who had color smoke devices which were let off inside and outside the parliament, 3/4 youngsters formed a group called something bhagat singh, any update on them ? I think at that time uapa was registered against them

  • @theasmrlife4680
    @theasmrlife4680 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Not one three year old but three new borns froze to death who were born stable but died because the way gaza is now

  • @aboutnature522
    @aboutnature522 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Please include myanmar conflict news as well. It's near the northeast border.

  • @txlish
    @txlish หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wedding Mgmt Co- THose were the days when I was fan of Ranbir Kapoor. So can said about liks of AB of 70s, Kher of 80s- and Rishi of 80s

  • @sakshamgupta9981
    @sakshamgupta9981 หลายเดือนก่อน

    where the timestamps at??

    • @sakyyk
      @sakyyk หลายเดือนก่อน

      you should re-check they're here

  • @FitFamTV1
    @FitFamTV1 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You can still say Nirmala apna lagaan

  • @mahavirsanklecha6748
    @mahavirsanklecha6748 หลายเดือนก่อน

    NEERJA Chaudhary...😢

  • @ArvindLeoPereira
    @ArvindLeoPereira หลายเดือนก่อน

    War rukwa di paw paw 🐾

  • @krangeshmum
    @krangeshmum หลายเดือนก่อน

    I meant regarding your campaign for air quality improvement

  • @shubham324
    @shubham324 หลายเดือนก่อน

    please enable monetisation on youtube. It won't compromise your tenets as long as you dont collab or copowered by coronil baba

  • @indosanct-rn9sr
    @indosanct-rn9sr หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    22:06 abhinandan says "any tapori can trample on human rights" while himself denigrating another human for disagreeing wit him LOL

    • @pillalam
      @pillalam หลายเดือนก่อน

      He is a A hole of highest order

  • @swagnexttuber-boombeach7092
    @swagnexttuber-boombeach7092 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Please do an interview with Arvind Kejriwal

  • @oflavia2910
    @oflavia2910 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Pessimistic whether central right loses to extreme right going forward

  • @AbhijeetGaiha
    @AbhijeetGaiha หลายเดือนก่อน

    1:11:44 India shining redux?

  • @mahavirsanklecha6748
    @mahavirsanklecha6748 หลายเดือนก่อน

    ECI after 5PM management.... details important 🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯🤔🎯🤔🎯🤔🎯😅

  • @Dadasahab1234
    @Dadasahab1234 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Only 17 comments have been posted till now without going through the video. The score is very low.Hope in future it will improve .😅

  • @oflavia2910
    @oflavia2910 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Lowest moments in politics - electoral bonds, rhetoric, maharashtra election conduct, laadki behen nonsensical, modis silence on adani scandal, anti decent language against minority by PM 😢..

  • @kshorts4k
    @kshorts4k หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Jalebi news gang 😂😂😂

  • @mrinalsinha9476
    @mrinalsinha9476 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Saaala yeh channel ko ab TH-cam se paisa mangta hai …. Gajjab kantaal hai 😮… able paywall kaise collapse hua …..bhutpoorv nyayadheesh se iski janch honi chahiye

  • @yatribaxi1307
    @yatribaxi1307 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nirjaji, it's surprising that u states that this govt gave state honor, its a protocol...which is maintained, and if done otherwise, govt wud hv faced severe backlash .
    It wud hv been better if NL matured , one day team will in unbiased analysis of large hearted very mature leaders like Fr. PM MMS. Reading Leader in process need maturity . J.Lokurji showed it.

  • @drstrange-marveluniverse7835
    @drstrange-marveluniverse7835 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Rohingya will be thrown out from this government

  • @rosariodcosta3249
    @rosariodcosta3249 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    He was a MAN MAH...AN SINGH WE LOST.A.GEM IF MODI DIES WE WILL LOOSE A HORNY SHAITAN

  • @indianambassador
    @indianambassador หลายเดือนก่อน

    It's confusing to understand real Neerjaji (One YTGodi Media face e.g. Barkha D channel & One face in NL). What an irony, people who all made Manmohanji/Soniaji/Jean Dreze villian holding Anna Hazare as god today say they uphold journalistic values.

  • @shankarpal8507
    @shankarpal8507 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The most succinct and apt description of Manmohan Singh is: “overrated economist and underrated politician”

  • @mahavirsanklecha6748
    @mahavirsanklecha6748 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Neeraj commercial 😢😢😢😢😢😢😢 journalism 🎯

  • @mahavirsanklecha6748
    @mahavirsanklecha6748 หลายเดือนก่อน

    AFTER 5PM ECI SHLD ISSUE TICKET 🎫🎟️🎫🎟️🎫🎟️🎫🎟️🎟️🎫🎟️🎟️🎟️🎫🎫🎫🎟️🎟️🎫🎫🎟️🎟️.... CALCULATION 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

  • @juncando
    @juncando หลายเดือนก่อน

    Once BJP gets Delhi, they will move the capital.

  • @tapashsengupta-lu7st
    @tapashsengupta-lu7st หลายเดือนก่อน

    Why are your questions so long you lose your track. Be specific and be short.

  • @subbaraod45
    @subbaraod45 หลายเดือนก่อน

    MMS left no legacy- it is donia legacy

  • @mayank6713
    @mayank6713 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    मनमोहन जी was a good person
    मोदी जी इस a good person and politician

  • @BomJimmy
    @BomJimmy หลายเดือนก่อน

    When Feku will be gone, all of you non godi channels will be seen praising RIP tweets homage ( just for sake and habbit) against the mood of the actual mass who will be seen celebratin.To counter this, peaople should plan celebrations in grand way by now.

  • @rajaramakutty9088
    @rajaramakutty9088 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Stack the panel with anti-BJP 'guests', then claim independent media 😂😂

  • @angelbaybi997
    @angelbaybi997 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    this is the psycho room

  • @kshorts4k
    @kshorts4k หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Vadra paid chanel 😂😂😂😂

  • @pandulagodawatta7398
    @pandulagodawatta7398 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The only reason Manmohan Singh became PM in 2004 was that Sonia Gandhi, the victorious PM candidate of INC and unanimous leader of the future ruling coalition UPA, was ruthlessly forced to remove herself from democratically seeking the PM post due to the racist and openly fascistic threats leveled against her by the BJP and the RSS. The Indian voters gave Sonia, a legal Indian citizen fully adopted to traditional Hindu culture, the necessary electoral mandate to become PM but she was blocked totally undemocratically by a right wing, fascistic section of the Indian ruling establishment.
    There is no point whatsoever describing Manmohan as an 'underrated' or 'accidental' PM without seriously analyzing this blatantly undemocratic political coercion. Those who do talk that way only give tacit support to the fascistic Hindutva ideology of RSS and BJP and to ultra right wing sections of INC.

  • @soundash6144
    @soundash6144 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You guys (your channel) are talking more than the guests)) improve on this format

  • @harikc7584
    @harikc7584 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Laundry man of the Gandhis and Vadhras is back with his laundry tales for his laundry news. 😅😅😅

  • @oflavia2910
    @oflavia2910 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Modi makes MMsingh look great, will Yogi adi..Will make modi look great????

    • @grv_baghel
      @grv_baghel หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Never not for me

  • @soundash6144
    @soundash6144 หลายเดือนก่อน

    One of the useless interviews! Poorly capitalized the guests around and stale and unprepared interviewer and his colleagues! Lacked depth. Watch Barkha, SG or may be RS for being sharp!
    This is a waste of time and importantly wasted good opportunity of getting sharper insights from accomplished guests

  • @thandavanvaidyanathan7962
    @thandavanvaidyanathan7962 หลายเดือนก่อน

    😂😂hope in 2025 , so called journalists would do journalism than being slaves and fake story creators

  • @tapashsengupta-lu7st
    @tapashsengupta-lu7st หลายเดือนก่อน

    This lady in your show feels she is very smart which is wrong. Be modest don’t think that journalism is to criticise every thing.

  • @RashidKhan-bk9hm
    @RashidKhan-bk9hm หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    free omar khalid, sharjeel Imam, etc.