Kira, the assets used in this game are from the Epic Games MOBA Paragon. The game closed years ago and Epic released all the models for free. The guy floating from the sky was a character named Gideon.
It reminds me of something that happened at work years back. I used to work for Walmart (How you like me now, ladies?LOL) and management posted something commending someone for a job well done.... and it read, and I quote, "Keep up the good wrork!". I, of course, took a picture of it and have forever since used it as the pinnacle for failing upwards and stupidity.
If the first four words you put in front of your potential customer have passed a QA with an obvious mistake, what can you expect about the rest of the game...
It's like submitting a job/recruitment proposal with a bunch of spelling and grammar mistakes, and still hoping for it to be accepted and applied by the company
When I think of "strength", "wit", and "power", the first thing that comes to mind is standing completely still while a dude blasts at me with his weird pistol.
Thinking you can make an MMORPG as a first-time game developer is like thinking you can make a skyscraper as a first time house builder - Sincerely, a developer
Did you ever dreamed.. of a quest so grand and perilous Testing your Strengh Testing your Wit Testing your Wit Testing your Power (proceeds with limp dick Haduken) 😂😂😂😂😂😂
For the Retrorunes, the banners, for instance, the one that says "Your path" , are stolen assets from Lineage II from NCSOFT, and the first mage with the underwhelming scene was Gideon from Paragon which Epic gave to the public as they wanted to focus 100% on Fortnite.
i would guess its people that plan on running with the money. they see MMO's as a Untapped market(despite the fact that there has been many MMOs but a massive chunk died).
I didn't never dreamed of that too either. Of a kickstarter page entirely made of pictures of text. No real text, 0 accessibility/readability, but most importantly a strong feeling of scam email that hides its message in an image hoping that spam filters won't be able to process it and find trigger words... The "Nervi Studios" name even seems to only return the Uzum kickstarter and unrelated real companies...
Thank you for the point about balance. Cryptobros don't even care about potential bugs in code, so I think it's a bit overkill to use them as an example. There's plenty of more reasonable people still forgetting about basic game development problems, and it's always good to remind people that most simple "solutions" haven't been implemented for good reasons.
I read a article yesterday where Microsoft said that big games that are released today can take up to 4-6 years to develop, and when it comes to mmorpgs i think it´s safe to assume that you need a group of 100 people working on it daily as a minimum, so if a kickstarter claims that they want to make a great mmorpg then one should first look up how many people the kickstarter group have that works on the project, will the money they want from us be enough to pay salary to all the people working on the project which will most likely take 4-6 years which i doubt in most cases. As a comparison i did some looking around and a game like Cyberpunk 2077 had around 500 people working on it and it took them around 8 years and even then the release was a disaster, and Grand Theft Auto 5 according to wiki had about 1000 people working on it for 3 years. So i think it´s safe to assume that when a group on kickstarter wants our money to make a big game and they at the start don´t have alot of people already working on it, then the game will either fail, take a lifetime to complete or it´s just a pure scam.
in the trailer they are using assets from the game paragon that went under, the team gave out all the models, animations, textures, music, etc... out for free so the kickstarter didn't make anything really. The character from paragon is Revenant and the skin is the Raven Quill. Also Gideon from paragon as well
This is such a trainwreck of a genre. Like holy shit when you think it's at its bottom it just falls down even more Please make this the "bitch about MMOs"-channel btw. I definitely think there's a market for that considering its state
If this was an application as resume for programming, maybe it would have merit. Unfortunately as a kickstarter its nearly a condemnation of their own product.
"Testing your wit, testing your credulity and testing your ability to tolerate cheap renders bought on generic asset sites." - Nervis Studios. Well the name of the studio is accurate, if I released a trailer this bad I'd be 'nervis' too.
5:00 new concepts, like this one that is so familiar that there is a one-word name for the genre of things that are like it, and I use that name to refer to it
You'd think at some point they'd wonder how, if Kickstarter MMOs were such a great idea, there's yet to be a single success. Or maybe I'm just thinking too logically
I'm so pissed that I've been hoodwinked by other games for so long. I didn't even know I was playing games with untwisted dungeons but I should be playing games that have twisted dungeons now?
It is possible. You just need to make the project to be less ambitious on the graphic or the open world, and focus more on the server maintaince. In MMO, the most important aspect is a stable and full function server.
An mmo being developped in a year in a half isnt impossible. DAoC had a great 1.0 release after exactly a year and a half of development on a shoestring budget. But that was 20 years ago. It also wasnt a kickstarter mmo. Still its not impossible if scope is realistic and management is compotent.
Have you ever had a dream that that you um you had you'd you would you could you'd do you wit you wants you you could do so you you'd do you could you you want you want him to do you so much you could do anything?
I'd like to see an mmorpg where you can only use talk to text to give your character actions to do. That would be a unique kind of gameplay expecially when in a voice call with friends. :)
@@TheGhostFart i was referring to a joke idea of a trvia game show where you’re allowed to look up the answers but you’re only allowed to use a voice to text and your opponents can yell into it too to mess up your search because it would be a shit idea for a game
@@watsonwrote It would be like any competitive or coop game where you can smack your little brother's controller to mess them up. But instead of messing with people with your actions, it would be with your words.
People just don't understand that it is very easy to spot asset flip floppers, what surprises me the most is that there are people who would back those with a lot of money. Insane!
These people all seem to think that MAKE YOUR OWN GAME WORLD excuses them from the work of actually having to do any game design. Which is of course insanity, it is much MORE work to build games that players can collectively build since they need extremely intuitive tools. It took some of Nintendo’s best to build an actually good one in Mario Maker, and that’s for more or less the simplest type of game that exists, let alone MMO worlds.
The budget for the first game explains everything!!! You closed out right as you hit the best part of the kickstarter. @6:25 seriously check it out, reads like greentext went to the kickstarter.. the risks.. chef's kiss
Of all the stupid things we use machine learning and fake AI for, Kickstarter should start using the same tech to auto reject bullshit projects like this.
At the recent Wholesome Games Direct stream one of the projects was a Kickstarter MMo and I felt so bad for those people. Like, please consider reducing your ambitions a little and maybe making it a multiplayer game where people host their own servers or something. At least that's doable.
The monotone way these jokes and sarcastic comments are being delivered with, take them to the next level. Peak entertainment. Edit: u know how some people are way different in real life as online? Would be fucking hilarious if Kira was an obnoxious hyperactive kid in real life. Or that he moved to thailand to take his gimp suit stalking international.
bruh your face when the uzum gameplay started, also i was surprised you didnt mention that uzum is apparently going to be hosted on Roblox? Did i read that right? l0l
Did you ever dreamed that you, um, you had, your, you- you could, you’ll do, you- you wants, you, you could do so, you- you’ll do, you could- you, you want, you want them to do you so much you could do anything?
These fiends are trying to start at the top, that's not how it works. It's akin to playing an mmo and going straight to the endgame at level 1, you will just get 1 shot and die instantly.
“I don’t understand why ppl keep posting mmos on kickstarter” Because it’s a scam machine. Scammers can just steal money for twenty years with no repercussions and all they have to do is lie for decades and say “it’s coming but there was a problem” and now you’ve bought yourself another five years
Paying for temporary power is a "fair" deal as long as it's due to power creep rather than nerfs. Nerfing is false advertisement cuz they're no longer paying for the exact stats that were advertised, unless it specifically states that nerfs are possible. Some may feel power creep is "unfair" as well but no, power creep is necessary for the health of a game. If you feel the power creep happens too fast then it is up to you to study the behavior of a game/company and make the decision yourself whether it's worth your money. Personally, I don't play social/competitive games with P2W but some people enjoy them so more power to them.
A lot of kickstarter mmos don’t seem to consider at all the competition and market they’re going into. Like why should I stop playing ffxiv or wow and go to your game? Those games have hundreds of employees and cost millions to make and maintain. Unless you have a bigger budget and team than them, how are you gonna make a more ambitious mmo? Indie devs should instead focus on a smaller but highly polished experience. 2d graphics, turn based combat maybe? Do something unique you can do better than a AAA dev instead of spreading your resources thin trying to make the next wow with 4 people.
Did Kira really just skip on the fact that Uzum wants 12k in 30 days, but at 40k they can make a magic system, 90k for a new Kingdom, and 100k for them to start working on Uzum 2. A sequel to a game not even kickstarted? They also are saying their budget needs 19-50k for investment of supplies, but they are only asking for 12k in the kickstarter. They also need 5-20k for server costs ON ROBLOX! Should this not immediate be a video of Scam Kickstarters?
Here's what I would say to anyone thinking of making an MMO: First of all, just don't. If you can't take that advice then instead try making a decent MUD (look it up, it's a telnet thing and yeah they still exist) and when you fail at that at least you won't have wasted money on art assets and game engines.
Kira, the assets used in this game are from the Epic Games MOBA Paragon. The game closed years ago and Epic released all the models for free. The guy floating from the sky was a character named Gideon.
Other one looks like Greystone. That was a pretty okay MOBA.
I'm pretty sure one of the guns is also from Remnant
I saw revenant pop up as well. It was a good game at the time.
@@GeneralBisonI recognized the gun but didn't say anything I didn't wanna sound like a dummy. Thanks for this lol
@kasuke1 it's being revived
"Did you ever dreamed..." needs to become the title for a video series looking at bad kickstarters or something. It's just too perfect.
Yes. This
It reminds me of something that happened at work years back. I used to work for Walmart (How you like me now, ladies?LOL) and management posted something commending someone for a job well done.... and it read, and I quote, "Keep up the good wrork!". I, of course, took a picture of it and have forever since used it as the pinnacle for failing upwards and stupidity.
I dream of a GREAT strengh!
The cringe in those lines were so thick I physically felt pain.
maybe it becomes a classic like 'all your base are belong to us'...but probably not
If the first four words you put in front of your potential customer have passed a QA with an obvious mistake, what can you expect about the rest of the game...
It's like submitting a job/recruitment proposal with a bunch of spelling and grammar mistakes, and still hoping for it to be accepted and applied by the company
@@sihamhamda47 Exactly like that. Great example.
And don't forget "TESTING YOUR STRENGH" (1:10). Even a dumb spellchecker would have picked that one up.
Sounds like you did never dreamed.
Then they misspelled Strength in the next title card.
"Did you ever dreamed" is burying the comedy gold that is "Testing your Strengh" a few seconds later
One must test their strengh to know whether or not they is strog.
If the trailer had followed that with "testing your proofreading" they'd have my respect. Not my money because kickstarter MMO, but some respect.
Ok dad, come back now. that’s enough
When I think of "strength", "wit", and "power", the first thing that comes to mind is standing completely still while a dude blasts at me with his weird pistol.
Thinking you can make an MMORPG as a first-time game developer is like thinking you can make a skyscraper as a first time house builder - Sincerely, a developer
Kira's thumbnail is always the same and it always fits the topic of the video.
Lol
Did you ever dreamed you’d rather watch Kira trash mmos than watch 95% of TH-cam?
*Promising indie game shows up*
Gets interested
*It's a kickstarter*
Gets concerned
*It's an MMO*
I'll set myself off
i think you meant "see" not "set", but "set myself off" is funnier
@@dopesickdog Their a Grenade see...
I read this and really imagined you lighting yourself and just busting all over the place 😅🤣
Did you ever dreamed..
of a quest so grand and perilous
Testing your Strengh
Testing your Wit
Testing your Wit
Testing your Power
(proceeds with limp dick Haduken)
😂😂😂😂😂😂
The true test of wit is whether you give money to these half baked ideas
For the Retrorunes, the banners, for instance, the one that says "Your path" , are stolen assets from Lineage II from NCSOFT, and the first mage with the underwhelming scene was Gideon from Paragon which Epic gave to the public as they wanted to focus 100% on Fortnite.
Ah yes, the "please work for us unpaid" pitch of every "indie MMO" dev ever
Kira : reusing the same image of himself for every single disappointment video.
Me : happily clicking on the exact same image for more spicy content
The power of branding
Thumbnail asset flip 😂
It's an evergreen reaction to this type of garbage, lol
Anyone else notice that first MMO said it was going to be hosted on Roblox??
At this point, we need to make a bingo for kickstarter MMOs/scams and see how many bingos Kira can get in one video
The problem with kick starter MMOs is that they're made by people who never made a video game before!
i would guess its people that plan on running with the money. they see MMO's as a Untapped market(despite the fact that there has been many MMOs but a massive chunk died).
"But they have 9 years experience writing ideas down and are CEOs of very successful companies!"
I did ever dreamed in fact.
But have you did ever is dreamed?
so powerful he straight up summoned an unaltered gideon asset from paragon lol
I was really hoping you'd grill them a bit in the budget section, over the mention:
"provision of servers required to host the game on Roblox"
Wait, what? The game is going to be on Roblox? How?
I didn't never dreamed of that too either.
Of a kickstarter page entirely made of pictures of text. No real text, 0 accessibility/readability, but most importantly a strong feeling of scam email that hides its message in an image hoping that spam filters won't be able to process it and find trigger words...
The "Nervi Studios" name even seems to only return the Uzum kickstarter and unrelated real companies...
Nothing quite like that time i did ever dreamed of testing my strengh
Kick-starting a MMO is like trying to Kickstartng a car company from scratch.
Thank you for the point about balance. Cryptobros don't even care about potential bugs in code, so I think it's a bit overkill to use them as an example. There's plenty of more reasonable people still forgetting about basic game development problems, and it's always good to remind people that most simple "solutions" haven't been implemented for good reasons.
3:33 AI Generated UI elements. A human did not come up with that. Actually a zero effort scam.
I don't know why I suddenly have the urge to try to build an MMO despite having no experience and no idea what it would be about.
The first beginner indie game dev advice is - do not make your dream MMO.
2:10 that's what happens when you are only using free animations and character models. It was all in the free of the month in unreals marketplace
I did in fact ever dreamed done did I.
I think kira gave me addiction to watching bad Kickstarter games
I read a article yesterday where Microsoft said that big games that are released today can take up to 4-6 years to develop, and when it comes to mmorpgs i think it´s safe to assume that you need a group of 100 people working on it daily as a minimum, so if a kickstarter claims that they want to make a great mmorpg then one should first look up how many people the kickstarter group have that works on the project, will the money they want from us be enough to pay salary to all the people working on the project which will most likely take 4-6 years which i doubt in most cases.
As a comparison i did some looking around and a game like Cyberpunk 2077 had around 500 people working on it and it took them around 8 years and even then the release was a disaster, and Grand Theft Auto 5 according to wiki had about 1000 people working on it for 3 years.
So i think it´s safe to assume that when a group on kickstarter wants our money to make a big game and they at the start don´t have alot of people already working on it, then the game will either fail, take a lifetime to complete or it´s just a pure scam.
I woke up rock-hard a few minutes ago and I thought "Kira must've uploaded", and by golly Mr. Dick P. Johnson was right on the money.
Lol
Kira missed the best part of the Uzem pitch : "hosted by Roblox".
Always the sign of a quality, professional effort.
*YOU'RE NOT JUST A PLAYER - YOU ARE A CREATOR OF HISTORY*
I'm sitting here creating history on my toilet right now
in the trailer they are using assets from the game paragon that went under, the team gave out all the models, animations, textures, music, etc... out for free so the kickstarter didn't make anything really. The character from paragon is Revenant and the skin is the Raven Quill. Also Gideon from paragon as well
Kira woke up and chose violence.
You know its over as soon as there is a spelling error in the trailer
"Testing of wits!"
Me: I'm not backing this. I think I pass the "testing."
No, they shouldn't die, they should continue existing to offer us some free laughs occasionally.
1:12 not strength, strengh
Did that say they are going to host the game on roblox???
This is such a trainwreck of a genre. Like holy shit when you think it's at its bottom it just falls down even more
Please make this the "bitch about MMOs"-channel btw. I definitely think there's a market for that considering its state
If this was an application as resume for programming, maybe it would have merit. Unfortunately as a kickstarter its nearly a condemnation of their own product.
I am diding it right now
"Testing your wit, testing your credulity and testing your ability to tolerate cheap renders bought on generic asset sites." - Nervis Studios. Well the name of the studio is accurate, if I released a trailer this bad I'd be 'nervis' too.
5:00 new concepts, like this one that is so familiar that there is a one-word name for the genre of things that are like it, and I use that name to refer to it
As an Isekai fan, I will not allow such blasphemous words about the genre. But yes, you are correct.
You'd think at some point they'd wonder how, if Kickstarter MMOs were such a great idea, there's yet to be a single success.
Or maybe I'm just thinking too logically
I'm so pissed that I've been hoodwinked by other games for so long. I didn't even know I was playing games with untwisted dungeons but I should be playing games that have twisted dungeons now?
I have not talked to many girls online but I did talk to a 16 year old girl, on MSN, in 2003 😮. 4:53
I don't have a problem with dreaming big. The hard part is starting small and learning how to succeed.
Even $10 million would not even be enough for a modern MMO.
It is possible. You just need to make the project to be less ambitious on the graphic or the open world, and focus more on the server maintaince. In MMO, the most important aspect is a stable and full function server.
An mmo being developped in a year in a half isnt impossible. DAoC had a great 1.0 release after exactly a year and a half of development on a shoestring budget. But that was 20 years ago. It also wasnt a kickstarter mmo. Still its not impossible if scope is realistic and management is compotent.
Uzum is all paragon assets from the epic store
At this point we can assume people who do that are simply trying to scam others.
Have you ever had a dream that that you um you had you'd you would you could you'd do you wit you wants you you could do so you you'd do you could you you want you want him to do you so much you could do anything?
Glad to meet you, Mr. Jeff Goldblum. I loved your work in Jurassic Park.
Yes....I think?
No
Actually, I did dreamed of testing my strengh.
I'd like to see an mmorpg where you can only use talk to text to give your character actions to do.
That would be a unique kind of gameplay expecially when in a voice call with friends. :)
would it involve dungeons and maybe dragons or are you referring to those things that are like wet dirt?
@@TheGhostFart i was referring to a joke idea of a trvia game show where you’re allowed to look up the answers but you’re only allowed to use a voice to text and your opponents can yell into it too to mess up your search because it would be a shit idea for a game
Hey You Pikachu but multiplayer?
@@watsonwrote It would be like any competitive or coop game where you can smack your little brother's controller to mess them up. But instead of messing with people with your actions, it would be with your words.
Have we had any updates on Koe/Coe lately?
Edit: Typo
People just don't understand that it is very easy to spot asset flip floppers, what surprises me the most is that there are people who would back those with a lot of money. Insane!
These people all seem to think that MAKE YOUR OWN GAME WORLD excuses them from the work of actually having to do any game design. Which is of course insanity, it is much MORE work to build games that players can collectively build since they need extremely intuitive tools. It took some of Nintendo’s best to build an actually good one in Mario Maker, and that’s for more or less the simplest type of game that exists, let alone MMO worlds.
The budget for the first game explains everything!!! You closed out right as you hit the best part of the kickstarter. @6:25
seriously check it out, reads like greentext
went to the kickstarter.. the risks.. chef's kiss
the blatant misspell in the trailer did it for me
What do you think of Book of Travels? Not a traditional mmo which is maybe why they actually could release it
That guy was just float and start throwing SnowBalls. 😂
Of all the stupid things we use machine learning and fake AI for, Kickstarter should start using the same tech to auto reject bullshit projects like this.
Did you ever subscribed to Kira Channel?
At the recent Wholesome Games Direct stream one of the projects was a Kickstarter MMo and I felt so bad for those people. Like, please consider reducing your ambitions a little and maybe making it a multiplayer game where people host their own servers or something. At least that's doable.
I always wanted to test my strengh in a game
The monotone way these jokes and sarcastic comments are being delivered with, take them to the next level. Peak entertainment.
Edit: u know how some people are way different in real life as online? Would be fucking hilarious if Kira was an obnoxious hyperactive kid in real life. Or that he moved to thailand to take his gimp suit stalking international.
It wouldn't surprise me if he was a gimp suite loving guy, and I went to school with this man lol
@@landermere654 man do i wish i was a rubber suit.
Holy blast from the past with the mention of Adventure Quest. Never did play Worlds
bruh your face when the uzum gameplay started, also i was surprised you didnt mention that uzum is apparently going to be hosted on Roblox? Did i read that right? l0l
did anyone notice the first game wanted to be hosted on roblox servers?
Caspian is obviously not willing to compromise on the quality of the fog
That bar. I think that bar is a meter, without the measurement lines. A health meter.
You missed that UZUM is made in Roblox, and they intend to develop the entire thing in 4 months (with 50 hours of gameplay and 4 different languages).
Needs more games similar to Dark and Darker on Kickstarter!
Did you ever dreamed that you, um, you had, your, you- you could, you’ll do, you- you wants, you, you could do so, you- you’ll do, you could- you, you want, you want them to do you so much you could do anything?
4:54 almost made me choke with my luch lmao
As always love the video Kira. Good well-reasoned takes! Doing my part for the algorithm.
You missed the best part @Kira !! at 6:26 the game is hosted on roblox server. Its all just a mod? xD
These fiends are trying to start at the top, that's not how it works. It's akin to playing an mmo and going straight to the endgame at level 1, you will just get 1 shot and die instantly.
This just reminds me of looking through guild adverts in mmos lol, just unmitigated garbage everywhere.
That limp noodled mage looks like the asset for the Gideon hero from the failed MOBA Paragon
You are gonna play throne and liberty and you are gonna like it. -NCSoft.
“I don’t understand why ppl keep posting mmos on kickstarter”
Because it’s a scam machine. Scammers can just steal money for twenty years with no repercussions and all they have to do is lie for decades and say “it’s coming but there was a problem” and now you’ve bought yourself another five years
Paying for temporary power is a "fair" deal as long as it's due to power creep rather than nerfs. Nerfing is false advertisement cuz they're no longer paying for the exact stats that were advertised, unless it specifically states that nerfs are possible.
Some may feel power creep is "unfair" as well but no, power creep is necessary for the health of a game. If you feel the power creep happens too fast then it is up to you to study the behavior of a game/company and make the decision yourself whether it's worth your money.
Personally, I don't play social/competitive games with P2W but some people enjoy them so more power to them.
I should make a Kickstarter and sell nothing to people. Its my dream, and dreamers should dream....
"Dreamers should give up." **ad**
The people have the power to shape their own destiny? I don't want a nation ruled by Senator Armstrong
A lot of kickstarter mmos don’t seem to consider at all the competition and market they’re going into. Like why should I stop playing ffxiv or wow and go to your game? Those games have hundreds of employees and cost millions to make and maintain. Unless you have a bigger budget and team than them, how are you gonna make a more ambitious mmo? Indie devs should instead focus on a smaller but highly polished experience. 2d graphics, turn based combat maybe? Do something unique you can do better than a AAA dev instead of spreading your resources thin trying to make the next wow with 4 people.
MySpace should never have closed, all them 14 year olds with wildest and most vomit inducing imaginations were unleashed unto the world
Did Kira really just skip on the fact that Uzum wants 12k in 30 days, but at 40k they can make a magic system, 90k for a new Kingdom, and 100k for them to start working on Uzum 2. A sequel to a game not even kickstarted? They also are saying their budget needs 19-50k for investment of supplies, but they are only asking for 12k in the kickstarter. They also need 5-20k for server costs ON ROBLOX!
Should this not immediate be a video of Scam Kickstarters?
Here's what I would say to anyone thinking of making an MMO:
First of all, just don't.
If you can't take that advice then instead try making a decent MUD (look it up, it's a telnet thing and yeah they still exist) and when you fail at that at least you won't have wasted money on art assets and game engines.
If I ever will do a kickstarter campaign my goal would be 69420 xD
Ah yes, I always dream about being chased and shot at by random person, just the kind of dream I have after looking at an NFT
you dreamed of living in chicago?
Jesus Christ! I had no idea there were THAT many MMORPGs on Kickstarter (6m30s) WTF
Tbh i didnt even know mmorpgs were a thing anymore.
"Did you ever dreamed? Testing your Strengh"..... should have tested their autocorrect.
Strength was also spelled wrong lol