Hi Rodney, i want your take on the Indian house ABABEL. They are very new, and claim to have 40% concentration, 50 ml for 1K. They have 5 fragrances, and a discovery set with 10ml of all for again 1k. I would love your take on them.
I simply cannot imagine why anyone would care about the outward presentation of the bottles. It seems so inconsequential. All that matters is the juice. If someone has entered into your toom far enough to see your fragrances, they're either not going to be bothered by how the bottles look, or they're intruding into your personal space. And if the person who bought the fragrance cares about the bottle, they should surely hope that the company or artisan scrimps on the bottle and puts all the money into making sure the juice is of the highest quality while offering you a saving. I would happily take trash packaging for superior quality juice at a bargain price, as I'm sure would any hard working individual buying fragrances with their hard earned money.
Yeah. Anyway they are supposed to be hidden from sunlight. I am as a newbie can relate, who cares to find my juice to enhance personality. Not my show case wall.
Agreed. I don't really care about presentation myself, as long as its not so cheap where it compromises the actual bottle in transport. I would rather them reallocate funds to making juice of higher quality with better oils, etc. I typically just toss the box after anyways. You buy the frag for the scent after all not the box. I would rather see lower pricing and higher quality juice rather than have funds towards a box. I will say nice packaging does make for a nicer gift option though. Let the guys who spend copious amounts of money on niche get their fancy boxes, clones should be about efficiency and best bang for buck where it matters (in this case the scent being a perfume), at least in my opinion.
Good one Rodney, it is a tough question to answer and no 1 size fits all approach works. Very well explained that ME brands have scale and economies of scale and can flood the market with perfumes at a relatively lower price range whereas Indian Houses dont have that option, i too had this grouse however with time i understand it now. Imo The expectations from Indian houses has increased because when most started they were in sub 400 to 500 Rs and have gradually doubled or more in price whereas ME brands are more or less retailing for similar price range . The exception being Armaff who tripled or quadrupled their prices in last 3 to 5 years. I remember buying CDIM for ~1400 and now it more than double :) without much difference in quality. I have tried a few clone houses and many are a hit or miss with more misses than hits, maybe its because i dont know how it should smell or i have high expectations and it doesnt meet my expectations.
Thanks Sanket ❤️ I felt this topic was a gray area for most and might help some understand the dynamics of the market. You’re bang on the pricing scale up tahts happening across Indian houses . ❤️
I am writing this comment before watching the entire video. I will say that it all depends on the specific frag. But, in general, as per my experience, affordable middle house , that is 1.5k for 100ml stuff are generally worse when compared to premium indian clone houses. But, yes, those are significantly more expensive as well
@@ThePerfumeExperience_English just finished watching the video, loved the amount of info you shared dude, must have spent a lot of time researching. And, yes, I agree a lot to most of what you said, if not everything. Just one point I believe could have been added is the re-sale value. For Middle Eastern clones, especially popular ones, those are very easy to re-sale.
If u consider middle eastern brands like rasasi, Swiss Arabian, armaf, afnan they are more vfm definitely. Indian alt houses I feel are overpriced in the name of quality, tacky presentations, quality issues that comes with diff batches, and most importantly safety aspects; we donot know what Indian alt houses are putting into their products while we can be at peace mentally when we use genuine me brands. Personally I donot look for closeness in an alt it's an absurd expectation in my opinion, I mostly look for the entire product experience which me Brands offers I feel. While there are really few good Indian alt houses which are really vfm while there are also some houses which are just overhyped by the people.
@ThePerfumeExperience_English In Indian mass market premium brands I respect Titan and mocesma the work they are doing. Hope new names rise up in coming times.
I agree with everything you said, but you can't compare indan dupe brands with Armaf, Al Harmani & Ahmed al maghribi, their juice quality, scent profile & presentation is something way way better than any Indian Clone houses. And I'm saying this after trying almost every indian clone house
Lol what?😅 No way you can even compare the two. Middle eastern frags all the way. No doubt about it, but what are the indian houses your recommend? Any comparable to Ahmed perfume?
Hey man , the whole video was a discussion about pros and cons about both! Most people also like Indian houses for the juice quality, personal connect and so on! Ahmed Al Maghribi is an exceptional even when you consider only Middle Eastern brands ❤️
No problem bro I enjoy the discussion but bro european houses have run the game and middle eastern houses are destroying them and you are claiming indian houses have better juices. Thats controversial to say the least bro😅 Also Ahmed was exceptional in the past but theyre the leading GCC perfume house now so theyre setting the standard. Think about it middle eastern houses dont even make edt anymore😅 ahmed perfume is 30% and above. I have some thatre 45% and amazing quality for only $50 who can compete?😂 Also you make it seem like all the other houses are weak or alcohol blasts as you say lets be clear Lattafa isnt weak and cheap there is a reason why number one on fragrantica for a long time is Khamrah by Lattafa. Lattafa and Ahmed al Maghribi have destroyed the competition. I understand your bias and maybe you have local brands that arent in the West thatre somehow the best of the best but I cant imagine any indian brand competing with Amouage Arabian Oud or Ahmed al Maghribi for the matter. @@ThePerfumeExperience_English
Bro , let me clear something. I’m not definitely not saying that Indian houses have better juice. I’m just distinguishing that at a higher price point of 3k -4k it’s almost equal, Indian houses aren’t vfm that’s all. It’s just the lower end of ME frags and even Indian houses have alcohol blast.
@@gems8167 Brother, take any Ahmed perfume and compare it with any perfume of Mriduls Creation (MMC) and believe me it can give a tough competition to ahmed, in terms of quality and blending. I am saying this after trying 8-10 good perfumes of both the brands. Don't know why any reviewer don't talks about this.
I have tried couple of Indian Houses like Hasan Oud, Arabian Aroma & Heavenduft.... and many Middle Eastern ones What i would point out is... it's not as easy as couple them one on one, as some Indian Brands are good and some not so good & Some Middle Eastern are really good and some are not.... For me.... Ibrahim Al Qurashi, Laverne, Ahmed Al Maghribi...are on TOP ...indian Brands are not equals .... But yes some products of Hasan Oud and Heavenduft are remarkably good.... L
@@ThePerfumeExperience_English Very True...i myself am trying to build some products and I'll be honest for me IAQ is the benchmark...and i can testify it's not easy doing what they are doing but i am sure soon Indian Brands with good values will reach there
There is no point buying clones with the level of prices being quoted now.....Decants of originals are much better as the clones tend to leave out the expensive notes and dont offer value as they used to imho
Your pov is valid for designer frags under 6-7k, but when you think about frags above 10k, then a clone even at 2-3k makes sense . Thanks for your pov, highly appreciated.❤️
@@ThePerfumeExperience_English Exactly bhai people don't take into consideration the price of the fragrances. Even with 6-7k designers like YSL Y. You can get premium clones from likes of scentedelic below 2.5k. Both 100mls. That's like less than half. Also relatively expensive clones from top Indian houses of premium niche perfumes absolutely do not leave out expensive notes. I have alts of Roja, Amouage, Penhaligon's and original both and they are anywhere from 80-90 % similar at a fraction of price. I don't know how anybody in their right mind can say otherwise. I'll even give examples... Al Maham's.. Roja Burlington, Penhaligon's Halfeti, SOD Meydan, Amouage Overture and Royal Tobacco. Scent-Rix Ganymede. Scentedelic Amouage Reflection and Penhaligon's Sartorial. All of these originals range from 15k to 25-30k in grey market, even more expensive in retail. And their clones would cost less than 4k for 100 ml. Now call me a moron bot I don't see how decants of originals are a better option. People should really explore before forming premature opinions.
Indian fragrance house cant even close or compared with UAE fragrance or middle eastern brands ! Few days back When Heavenduff coastal indian was hyped they increase there 50ml perfume 850/- and more now and decrease the quality of juice now when they face demand is getting lesser they decrease the prices (600/- now) !! Indian brands packaging n presentation is poor and mostly indian fragrance have alcohol blast and synthetic smell which is created a bad impression ! On the other hand we have paris corner, fragrance world, ahmnd al, albait aldimashqi , mansion alhamra , lattaffa , Rasasi + afnan + which provides quality + presentation + reviews available on social media also there 10 ml decent available on sellers websites ! i had bad experience with the Indian frag houses 🏘️ cheap quality + poorservices !
@ThePerfumeExperience_English I was just sharing my experience sir why you mentioned sorry statement for Indian frags !! I like scentari perfume (Indian frags house )he also doing good but delivery services take 20 days minimum which is a turning off point for buyer !! I will surely try you recommended frag house !! I love to watch you content n Big fan of your content and how you explain each things is really good 😊 through it I learn alot about fragrance !! ✌️😎
Most of the Indian company' Parfums not satisfy us coz of it's poor performance . But price is dame and some time more than Middle Eastran company's Parfums.
Hasan Oud is good, but they charge a lot, have huge margins, and scentedelic is not worth it! Even I recommend Perfumeoilcorner because they are reasonably priced and make high-quality clone perfumes!
Thank you for bringing this video. I'm glad our Facebook conversation expanded out into this wonderful video essay ❤
You’re welcome bro 😎, comments and conversations are what bring out good talking points ❤️😎
Well summarized bro. Video dropped at the right time.
Thanks a ton bro 😎❤️
Hi Rodney, i want your take on the Indian house ABABEL. They are very new, and claim to have 40% concentration, 50 ml for 1K. They have 5 fragrances, and a discovery set with 10ml of all for again 1k. I would love your take on them.
Hi interesting. I will do my best to get them and try it . Thanks for the recommendation.
I simply cannot imagine why anyone would care about the outward presentation of the bottles. It seems so inconsequential. All that matters is the juice. If someone has entered into your toom far enough to see your fragrances, they're either not going to be bothered by how the bottles look, or they're intruding into your personal space. And if the person who bought the fragrance cares about the bottle, they should surely hope that the company or artisan scrimps on the bottle and puts all the money into making sure the juice is of the highest quality while offering you a saving. I would happily take trash packaging for superior quality juice at a bargain price, as I'm sure would any hard working individual buying fragrances with their hard earned money.
While you a great pov, it’s a divided world on this . 👍
Yeah. Anyway they are supposed to be hidden from sunlight. I am as a newbie can relate, who cares to find my juice to enhance personality. Not my show case wall.
Well, if all cars with similar engine sizes are the same, then why do people choose a Hyundai over a Maruti? Exactly my point!
@@nitayg1326 what? Both are extremely average looking cars.
Agreed. I don't really care about presentation myself, as long as its not so cheap where it compromises the actual bottle in transport. I would rather them reallocate funds to making juice of higher quality with better oils, etc. I typically just toss the box after anyways. You buy the frag for the scent after all not the box. I would rather see lower pricing and higher quality juice rather than have funds towards a box. I will say nice packaging does make for a nicer gift option though. Let the guys who spend copious amounts of money on niche get their fancy boxes, clones should be about efficiency and best bang for buck where it matters (in this case the scent being a perfume), at least in my opinion.
Quality content sir❤️
Thank you 🤩
Good one Rodney, it is a tough question to answer and no 1 size fits all approach works.
Very well explained that ME brands have scale and economies of scale and can flood the market with perfumes at a relatively lower price range whereas Indian Houses dont have that option, i too had this grouse however with time i understand it now.
Imo The expectations from Indian houses has increased because when most started they were in sub 400 to 500 Rs and have gradually doubled or more in price whereas ME brands are more or less retailing for similar price range .
The exception being Armaff who tripled or quadrupled their prices in last 3 to 5 years. I remember buying CDIM for ~1400 and now it more than double :) without much difference in quality.
I have tried a few clone houses and many are a hit or miss with more misses than hits, maybe its because i dont know how it should smell or i have high expectations and it doesnt meet my expectations.
Thanks Sanket ❤️ I felt this topic was a gray area for most and might help some understand the dynamics of the market.
You’re bang on the pricing scale up tahts happening across Indian houses .
❤️
Aafiya ; Scentedelic; Al maham; Muzna Scent rix ; yasmin aroma artisans
Which perfume house do you ghink is best?
Aafiya, Scent Rix/Al Maham.
Some recommendations which perform well in Bangalore? Im here too.
Big fan of middle eastern perfumes btw.
You can check out a Summer Fragrance list , they’ll be perfect for Bangalore.
Which is best clone of summer oud ?
Summer Oud ? That’s Ahmed Al Maghribi one , looking for a clone of it ?
@ThePerfumeExperience_English yes
@@beatcarsound8713 I haven’t found or seen one, that frag itself is around 2k wouldn’t make sense to buy a clone for ut bro.
good review
Thank you 🤩
I am writing this comment before watching the entire video. I will say that it all depends on the specific frag. But, in general, as per my experience, affordable middle house , that is 1.5k for 100ml stuff are generally worse when compared to premium indian clone houses. But, yes, those are significantly more expensive as well
Thanks buddy, that was pretty much the gist of the video too. Do watch till the end and share your thoughts once again ❤️
@@ThePerfumeExperience_English will definitely make a follow-up reply :D
@@ThePerfumeExperience_English just finished watching the video, loved the amount of info you shared dude, must have spent a lot of time researching. And, yes, I agree a lot to most of what you said, if not everything.
Just one point I believe could have been added is the re-sale value. For Middle Eastern clones, especially popular ones, those are very easy to re-sale.
@ yes I kinda missed it , agreed 👍 thanks 🤩
Perfume depot is missing here, they have some good imitations as well
Hi , I have never tried them yet, will do so and let you know.
@ sure 👍
You must try essence house perfumes, especially shadow storm, hacivat clone
Oud milano-oudwood clone also!
Sure thanks will do .
If u consider middle eastern brands like rasasi, Swiss Arabian, armaf, afnan they are more vfm definitely. Indian alt houses I feel are overpriced in the name of quality, tacky presentations, quality issues that comes with diff batches, and most importantly safety aspects; we donot know what Indian alt houses are putting into their products while we can be at peace mentally when we use genuine me brands. Personally I donot look for closeness in an alt it's an absurd expectation in my opinion, I mostly look for the entire product experience which me Brands offers I feel. While there are really few good Indian alt houses which are really vfm while there are also some houses which are just overhyped by the people.
💯 on point bro ! That’s why the topic, hoping it doesn’t fool people into getting into the hype train !
@ThePerfumeExperience_English In Indian mass market premium brands I respect Titan and mocesma the work they are doing. Hope new names rise up in coming times.
anything between 1500-2000 has same perfume quality no matter from where you buy. I feel just buy premium dups whenever you can.
Yes they offer better value - the premium ones ❤️
waiting for review of Couture noir by Ahmed Al Maghribi
Soon, btw we have added this to decants - tinyurl.com/tpedecants
I agree with everything you said, but you can't compare indan dupe brands with Armaf, Al Harmani & Ahmed al maghribi, their juice quality, scent profile & presentation is something way way better than any Indian Clone houses. And I'm saying this after trying almost every indian clone house
You’re right about Armaf , Afnan , the Indian houses can’t match that quality.
Please review Ansaam Silver by Lattafa
Yes bro soon
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Lol what?😅
No way you can even compare the two. Middle eastern frags all the way. No doubt about it, but what are the indian houses your recommend? Any comparable to Ahmed perfume?
Hey man , the whole video was a discussion about pros and cons about both! Most people also like Indian houses for the juice quality, personal connect and so on! Ahmed Al Maghribi is an exceptional even when you consider only Middle Eastern brands ❤️
No problem bro I enjoy the discussion but bro european houses have run the game and middle eastern houses are destroying them and you are claiming indian houses have better juices. Thats controversial to say the least bro😅
Also Ahmed was exceptional in the past but theyre the leading GCC perfume house now so theyre setting the standard. Think about it middle eastern houses dont even make edt anymore😅 ahmed perfume is 30% and above. I have some thatre 45% and amazing quality for only $50 who can compete?😂
Also you make it seem like all the other houses are weak or alcohol blasts as you say lets be clear Lattafa isnt weak and cheap there is a reason why number one on fragrantica for a long time is Khamrah by Lattafa. Lattafa and Ahmed al Maghribi have destroyed the competition. I understand your bias and maybe you have local brands that arent in the West thatre somehow the best of the best but I cant imagine any indian brand competing with Amouage Arabian Oud or Ahmed al Maghribi for the matter.
@@ThePerfumeExperience_English
Bro , let me clear something. I’m not definitely not saying that Indian houses have better juice. I’m just distinguishing that at a higher price point of 3k -4k it’s almost equal, Indian houses aren’t vfm that’s all.
It’s just the lower end of ME frags and even Indian houses have alcohol blast.
@ I have reviewed one of them some time back, have his samples, will look at reviewing them.
@@gems8167 Brother, take any Ahmed perfume and compare it with any perfume of Mriduls Creation (MMC) and believe me it can give a tough competition to ahmed, in terms of quality and blending. I am saying this after trying 8-10 good perfumes of both the brands. Don't know why any reviewer don't talks about this.
I have tried couple of Indian Houses like Hasan Oud, Arabian Aroma & Heavenduft.... and many Middle Eastern ones
What i would point out is... it's not as easy as couple them one on one, as some Indian Brands are good and some not so good
& Some Middle Eastern are really good and some are not....
For me.... Ibrahim Al Qurashi, Laverne, Ahmed Al Maghribi...are on TOP ...indian Brands are not equals ....
But yes some products of Hasan Oud and Heavenduft are remarkably good....
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Thanks bro, that’s exactly my pov, that it’s not an equal level field .
@@ThePerfumeExperience_English Very True...i myself am trying to build some products and I'll be honest for me IAQ is the benchmark...and i can testify it's not easy doing what they are doing but i am sure soon Indian Brands with good values will reach there
I bet you will change your mind after trying Mridul Chopra's blends (MMC)
There is no point buying clones with the level of prices being quoted now.....Decants of originals are much better as the clones tend to leave out the expensive notes and dont offer value as they used to imho
Your pov is valid for designer frags under 6-7k, but when you think about frags above 10k, then a clone even at 2-3k makes sense . Thanks for your pov, highly appreciated.❤️
Yes currently I feel the same that Indian clone houses providing decants more than the Middle eastern or some designer frags..😅
Haha ❤️
@@ThePerfumeExperience_English Exactly bhai people don't take into consideration the price of the fragrances. Even with 6-7k designers like YSL Y. You can get premium clones from likes of scentedelic below 2.5k. Both 100mls. That's like less than half. Also relatively expensive clones from top Indian houses of premium niche perfumes absolutely do not leave out expensive notes. I have alts of Roja, Amouage, Penhaligon's and original both and they are anywhere from 80-90 % similar at a fraction of price.
I don't know how anybody in their right mind can say otherwise.
I'll even give examples... Al Maham's.. Roja Burlington, Penhaligon's Halfeti, SOD Meydan, Amouage Overture and Royal Tobacco. Scent-Rix Ganymede. Scentedelic Amouage Reflection and Penhaligon's Sartorial. All of these originals range from 15k to 25-30k in grey market, even more expensive in retail. And their clones would cost less than 4k for 100 ml. Now call me a moron bot I don't see how decants of originals are a better option. People should really explore before forming premature opinions.
Some of the middle eastern fragrances have just to much embellished bottles which litetally repel me😂
Totally agreed some are just out right tacky 😂
Indian fragrance house cant even close or compared with UAE fragrance or middle eastern brands !
Few days back When Heavenduff coastal indian was hyped they increase there 50ml perfume 850/- and more now and decrease the quality of juice now when they face demand is getting lesser they decrease the prices (600/- now) !!
Indian brands packaging n presentation is poor and mostly indian fragrance have alcohol blast and synthetic smell which is created a bad impression !
On the other hand we have paris corner, fragrance world, ahmnd al, albait aldimashqi , mansion alhamra , lattaffa , Rasasi + afnan + which provides quality + presentation + reviews available on social media also there 10 ml decent available on sellers websites !
i had bad experience with the Indian frag houses 🏘️ cheap quality + poorservices !
Sorry about your experience , but do give a try for Aafiya, scent Rix , Al Maham .
@ThePerfumeExperience_English I was just sharing my experience sir why you mentioned sorry statement for Indian frags !! I like scentari perfume (Indian frags house )he also doing good but delivery services take 20 days minimum which is a turning off point for buyer !! I will surely try you recommended frag house !! I love to watch you content n Big fan of your content and how you explain each things is really good 😊 through it I learn alot about fragrance !! ✌️😎
@ glad to hear it 🤩❤️
Indian brands, please, get a little creative-surely there are more shapes out there than rounded rectangles for your bottles!
That’s a challenge
Most of the Indian company' Parfums not satisfy us coz of it's poor performance . But price is dame and some time more than Middle Eastran company's Parfums.
True 100mls are more expensive than ME brands.
Hasan Oud is good, but they charge a lot, have huge margins, and scentedelic is not worth it! Even I recommend Perfumeoilcorner because they are reasonably priced and make high-quality clone perfumes!
Sure 👍
" a fragrance story " have some good quality long lasting scents in their collection ..but their bottles are so basic ...
Let me check those 😊