Taurus 856 vs S&W 640 the Wrap up
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- A deeper look at problems with the Taurus 856 and the overall lack of quality control in firearms and manufacturing today.
Taurus 856 cylinder issues - www.taurusarme...
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On cylinder issues with the Taurus 856 www.taurusarmed.net/threads/856-cylinder-rotation-issues-poll.444516/#post-5858653
It is a very interesting discussion.
Taurus service is awful 😖
@@richvest7212Spoken from experience I do believe.
Thank u for ur review sir....as a Christian it's very hard to find some good wholesome content these days without all the curse words and the lies...I appreciate ur channel sir....God bless u and ur family!
A heartfelt thank you!
Thanks for the mention, some people thought I was crazy about the cylinder not rotating but it's good (well bad) but in some sense good to know it's not me making it up.
I remember your video on that very topic. I always believed you, Sam. 😂
I'll link to the Taurusarmed.net post on the subject pinned to the top.
Absolutely loved this series, Greg! That 856 more than held it’s own. Love mine and my K6S.
I have wanted a model 640, and specifically the Pro version for about a decade. More of a bucket list gun as at it's price it doesn't do anything my model 605 can't do, which for the record has been a good revolver. One day, one day I will. About that 22 OZ mark is the sweet spot for being still pocketable weight wise yet shooting like butter with .38 Special+P.
I was also interested in the 640 Pro, but I purchased the base model when one became available.
Hi Sam - I've got that one day list too. Right now the new Henry revolver heads the list. At least until I can see one in person.
640 Pro is definitely on my list, too. The one advantage it has over my 605,in my eyes (pun intended) is the sights.
Taurus fixed sights are notably better for me than S&W.
But those real soghts on the Pro make shpoting it a breeze. I just got back from visiting a friend who owns one. He is starting to pat me down when I leave, to be aure I leave it there!
That said, the 640 Pro and 2" 605 would work well together in my double shoulder holster.
@@niadhf Not a bad combo. As far as fixed sights go I've had better experiences with Taurus handguns as opposed to current production S&W's.
Great review! I own an old S&W 640 from the early 1990's and never had a problem with it. I wanted something newer so I just ordered the Taurus 856, mainly because of the price and its 6th round capability. I hope I don't regret it.
@@Another_User_Name_ Hopefully you won't.
Good information. Thanks for all you do.
Thank you Buffalo!
Excellent video, as always. My Taurus 856 UL has never given me any problems, but those factory rubber monstrosities were a nightmare to remove so that I could install a proper set of wooden grips.
You ain't just whistling Dixie with that statement!
Had my 640 for MANY years and carry it mostly in the woods with never a issue of any kind, love this pistol 🔫
Great video.
I just bought an 856 new from a local sports store that we all, most likely, have frequented. My 856 is the stainless steel 2” version. It’s stamped made in Brasil and also stamped Bainbridge GA. I’ve put a little over 600 rounds of +P ammo thru it. Some has been factory ammo for carry purpose but most has been my hand loads duplicating my favored +P carry rounds for practice purposes. I’ve long admired the 856 and possibly I made my purchase at the right time in getting a Bainbridge marked gun. I really don’t know but I’ve read on several different forums that the Bainbridge guns are fitted up much better and are of higher quality than some of the previous ones. I like the factory rubber grip too. It’s a natural shooter for me. I’ve had absolutely no malfunction issues if any sort with this revolver so far. I also own multiple revolvers of Ruger, S&W, a Charter Arms Bulldog from the Bridgeport days, and a few older revolver brands of the utilitarian variety like H&R. I personally, at this point at least, put full trust in my 856 and consider the quality and reliability of it to be on par with my Rugers and S&Ws. My particular 856 seems to be a good one and the trigger pull is real smooth. My “daily drivers” are the old Bulldog .44 and the 856. My 856 is so enjoyable that I’ve relegated my S&Ws and Rugers to range toys.
I hate to say it, but I have a Model 10 snub from 1968. A four inch Model 10 being my favorite handgun, it irks me to no end that I can shoot better with the other 856 I bought a few years ago than that S&W snub.
I have the new Taurus 856 Executive Grade. They claim that special attention is given to it for quality control, fit and finish, and action work, and that it is a bench built gun in a dedicated room by a gunsmith.
Kind like what Smith and Wesson does with their performance center guns. It does seem well made and higher quality than normal Taurus revolvers. It’s beautiful and shoots well. I have put a few hundred rounds through it and so far so good. However, I also own a Kimber K6s, and the Taurus Executive still doesn’t approach the quality of the K6s. You can just tell.
Thanks for that report. I've never handled the Kimber, but by all reports it is a cadillac.
If the firearm was needed in a self defense situation, knowing the tuarus executive 856 that you have works which would one would you rather use kimber k6s or taurus 856 executive. Just asking your opinion , as I've had both
@@dalejenkins5102, I would choose the K6s. Mainly because the trigger is so good. I feel more confident that I can pull the trigger without out disturbing the sights. Especially in follow up shots. The Taurus Executive Grade has a good trigger too, but not as good as the K6s. I love the trigger on the K6s and shoot it well.
Very good comparison. From my experience I’ve seen problems with quality control in domestic products since the 1970s when at least two legacy firearms manufacturers were foreign owned. There has been peaks and valleys since then. But canted barrels and action problems are a more recent S&W issue. Before it was mostly bad adjustable sights, occasionally rough or excessively heavy actions, or fit & finish. Semi autos had a spotty track record. I never owned a Taurus but had seen them show up at firearms training carried by LEOs as backups. Most tended to exhibit problems. Our issue duty and training ammo was a 147 grain +p+ and the old 158 grain SWCHP +p. When one is training regularly with their carry gun, any problems laying in wait will surface. Taurus has some innovative ideas but the thing is, you want to ideally be able to train regularly and won’t want to see things like the timing go out of whack or the point of impact be messed up because the barrel is improperly canted. My state only requires a 25 round qualification course at the permit class but out to 20 yards. LEOs may still be required by some departments to qualify on courses out to 25 yards. My LEOSA qual, which is the same course shot by active LEOs in my state, was completed the last couple of years with a J-frame the last couple of years. Accurate bullets lighter than 148-158 grains can be pretty sloppy to begin with at greater distance. But factory sights not even regulated for 158 grain impact is completely unacceptable. So are timing issues.
Good job on the LEOSA qualification with a snub. I'm sure you got some looks from those who've never known anything but polymer.
@@LionquestFitness oh - like the guy who’d show carrying a Colt Navy…
@@sombra6153 🤣
Good info Greg. Most of my revolvers are S&W except for my Taurus 605.
Great video. I really want a Revolver, and videos like yours are really a big help. Though I'm really wanting a S&W revolver, I keep looking at the cheaper brands due to finances on disability. I hadn't heard about some of the issues some Taurus revolvers have been having and it helps to know about them before buying one because they are cheaper.
Thank you so much for sharing your videos with us.
Good luck on your search. For several years Taurus was my go to brand because I could afford them on a budget. I had more good experiences with the brand than negative.
@@LionquestFitness cool. Then I won't rule them out, though I am leery of that brand's quality. 😎👍
I missed this one. Very well thought out and informative conversation. Yes, I've experienced a bunch of returns for warranty work. .i.e. Ruger on a Max 9 they replaced some slide parts, Taurus 605 frame out of spec, they sent me a brand new one, and Charter Arms twice replacing a few parts. All these companies were very customer service friendly and made it easy for me to send it back to them and they fixed it extremely fast. It gives me pause as to trust though. Everything now has to be vetted big time. Rock on Lion.
I came across your post late Joe. Thanks for sharing your experiences. I'm glad they were positive.
I had the same experience with my 856.
I cleaned and oiled it and have only used it with full cylinders
Have run over 300 rounds with out any Problems I put it back in my carry rotation
Great Video
Thanks for sharing your experience Steve.
Quality control - employees don't seem to give a hoot these days and are NOT held accountable. This, unfortunately, is not limited to firearms. Enjoy your videos and my Taurus revolvers. Thank you and God bless.
Jim
Thank you James!
Great series Greg. I will stick with the Smith. You are correct about the QC issues over the last few years. Hopefully that will improve.
It's ironic, but my 10 year old Model 64, keylock and two piece barrel, is still my favorite and being stainless can take the wear and tear of carry where my snub Model 10 from 1968 stays in the safe as you advised when I got it a few years back.
Thanks for the honest assessment of both revolvers. In the old days you could say you get what you pay for, but not now. The only safe bet seems to be finding a good used revolver(provided no one has abused or monkeyed with it). Nice shooting as always.
It's a double edged sword. Arguably the S&W heyday of quality revolvers was between the sixties and early eighties. I've got some almost pristine blued and nickeled guns from that period, but I am hesitant to carry them on a regular basis because they represent something that will never be again.
@@LionquestFitness I feel the same way.
I have two 5 shot guns. One is a 90s era S&W 637 and the other is a Ruger SP101/ The smith is 100% original, no work done on it, many, many practice rounds through it over the years, and still in fantastic condition now issues. The Ruger? No problems. purchased a few years after the Smith. However, I did give this gun a trigger job and some TLC as far as smoothing out the sharp spots here and there by one of the best gunsmiths in the country. I carry the Ruger a lot and added a Hogue grip. That grip just suits my hand extremely well. The Smith is for deep cover based on what I am wearing. I have held off buying any other small revolvers because my needs were met, not my desires as far as buying a new gun, everyone loves a new gun any day of the week. I agree, manufacturing is struggling. New guns are having more problems than they used to. Two years ago, my brother bought a Walther semiauto carry gun and it had to go back to them for a sorting out. It was wildly inaccurate. Walther agreed. It got a new barrel. My brother carries it. I would not have suspected that from Walther. It happens. Taurus is on the upswing. Maybe they will use better screws, that would be nice. If the hand is an issue, I would hope they research how to overcome that as well. Thanks for the series. It has been fun.
You've got your bases covered. One for deep concealment and a heavy hitter for most other day carry. I'm glad you've enjoyed the series. It was fun to do and I learned a lot.
Greg, you hit the nail on the head,,,,,,, "Pre & Post Covid" issues.
This has hit EVERY facet of American manufacturing or service industries!
From, guns, to restaurants. The only thing I can say it firearm prices now are not bad, but quality is!
Restaurants, pricing has went up two or three fold, while quality has dropped to an all-time low!
Every area of anything comes with a much higher degree of disappointment than I could ever imagine could happen.
One major problem I'll use for an example is the restaurant business. TWICE the cook/chef just walked of the job and the food was not edible. In the construction trades where I spent a large part of my working years, people just walk off the job? I only presume that this is happening in the gun industry as well?
Now, for instance, Wilson Combat has had the same gunsmiths for decades while teaching select apprentices for the future. But thay are a custom shop. All other, lets just say your off the shelf gunmakers, are probably seeing people just "Up and Leave"? Thusly, Q.A. stinks. I was talking with a couple old gun guys my age or so. We all agree we wouldn't buy an S&W revolver today! Ruger seemed to be a safer bet. Again, no one is sure.
Best to ya',,,,!
Ruger by all reports has the best customer service while from personal experience Smith has a "Don't call us; we'll call you" attitude. As far as manufacturing, I work in a high school career and technology center. I network with law enforcement, fire and EMS. My coworkers network with industry. Across the board, as a society, we've lost skilled workers and the desire to work.
@@LionquestFitness Greg, from I hear as you stated Ruger still has the more or less best customer service out there. The issue for me is we shouldn't pay the money for guns and expect to need customer service!
It "was" a rare occassion that a new firearm ever needed to be sent back. Today, is a different story, totally.
One example was the S&W 2.0 failing to go into battery. S&W said it would to be safe to fire if only a 10th of an inch or less out of battery, not sure it even would fire????!!!! That is insane! Off center barrel alignment with a new revolver, not acceptable.
About the only revolvers that seem to be problem free, as far as I know, are Korth ($$$$), Kimber and Colt after they corrected the new Python series! I have no real experience with Rhino?
Where I live in S. Florida our Town started their own P.D. and severed the contract with Broward County Sherrif's. I spoke with the new Chief, a 40+ year LEO. He did extreme vetting with new officers. No new graduates, veterans and retired cops who wanted to back to work. He told me, "We're not hiring Broken Toys from other depts.". These folks work with good old school work ethics.
Other companies are seeing new people getting hired and just walking off the job.
Again your, "Pre & Post" covid related issues.
Happy Sunday!
Best to ya',,,,!
Good stuff. Have you done a face off review between the 640 vs 642? I know that would be a tough call for you! 😅
Not yet. I have a 642 I carry sometimes. I prefer steel for recoil management. But, sometimes you need deep concealment.
I'm with you 100 percent on the quality control in all these companies around the board in the United States hope it gets better grate video thanks man
Thank you for this very interesting video. Some of the problems you describe, like the need to remove the cylinder in order to change the grip, are serious mechanical design flaws, not quality control issues. It is saddening to note how poorly some revolvers manufactures are behaving. Maybe, it is the time to test some other ones.
Good point. The roll pin system Taurus uses is done to lower cost. But, at what costs to the owner?
Precisely
some months ago I bought two Taurus 605 defenders, a black 2in 357 and a satin 3in el357. both work flawlessly and with reasonable accuracy 10 to 15 yards . I put new Wolfe springs in
the 3in I lost a tiny spring that works double action but it still works flawlessly single action .I'll soon contact the company about getting that tiny spring. I'm happy with both 357 magspapa😊
That's good to hear. I thought I was the only one who liked pairing the same guns in stainless and black (or blued).
Really thorough discussion about how to follow up on issues as well as addressing the QC issue that should not be especially with the prices that are being asked of us everyday folks. Having a revolver with light primer strikes, which has been an issue as well as the cylinder issues is not acceptable for self defense. Also, like the comparison of budget vs expensive, which may or may not mean quality. Such issues have made many of us really appreciate those used guns that are still in very good shape vs. new. Thanks, Greg!
Nice video thank you so much I appreciate your hard work I’m LCR 357 only and very happy
Good choice.
Yes sir. It is a shame that revolvers once known for their reliability are now iffy. I did a video years ago on an old Peacemaker. Made about 1878 as for as I know 100% original and still in working order. That was the heritage of wheel guns but, not now. Harry at Harry's Holster I believe had the hammer shatter on a new Taurus revolver.
Back in December I found a stainless Taurus 65, which has been on my bucket list for some time. When I got it home I found one cylinder that wouldn't lock in. I took it back to the FFL and he took it back and let me pay the difference on a used Ruger GP100.
I never miss one of your videos. I also agree with your assessment of both guns. I have them both. Thanks!!!!
That is a ringing endorsement. Thank you Johno!
Love those grips on the 640.I've never had any problems with the factory grips on the 856.Didn't you have a similar problem with some Thai grips before?Also,,do you have any experience with the S&W 637?And yes,the screws need to be made of better steel than pot metal.
I inherited a 637 several years ago. Runs great except I camnot use an HKS Speedloader with the factory rubber grips. Speedloaders only.
Hi Mark - It is funny. We've owned quite a few of the Taurus revolvers and I've found the quality of the steel screws varies greatly. Haven't gotten hold of a 637 yet. I do have a 642 I carry sometimes.
Quality Control is huge and has fallen across the board like you stated. It is sad to see so many companies somehow unable or unwilling to fix it. I have contacted some companies over the past couple years even the most recent one which was beginning of this year and again a month or so ago it was simply like they didn't care and didn't want the money from customer
It is very strange what has happened. Our Covid response and government handouts has ruined the desire for people to work.
It's across many industries. I have an expensive mountain bike that needs service and parts. The local dealers and the manufacturer both act like they're doing me a favor to order the parts ( weeks out) and to service the bike. One dealer told me he subcontracts some of his work and won't guarantee the labor. It's a $ 3,000 bike.
@@weirdshibainu where you located I may know someone in your area I spent the good majority of my life building and repairing bikes before I got in to the gun world
@@ThecrazyScotsman Thanks, but I think I found an independent shop that'll do the work. He said the parts don't appear to be proprietary
Nice review and points Greg. I am interested in an 856. I might have to pick one up soon. I sometimes pocket carry my S&W 642, but would love an additional round.
It makes a difference in your self defense strategies. They do make the 856 in an ultra light configuration, but I've had no experiences with them.
I'm lucky to have never had issues with Taurus firearms, I suppose. I'm comfortable with my Taurus 856, or my S&W 642 for carry.
I always like hearing good reports.
I havent had my 640 very long. Thus far, I've only put 50? rounds through it. A mix ot 140 grain Federal Barnes Expanders hp's, Blazer aluminum .357 158 grain hp's, and PPU .38 special 158 grain seni-wad cutters. 50 rounds is not a definitive test for reliability, but no malfunctions so far. I'll keep you updated as I shoot more. Btw, i was surprised to see to you had changed grips again. Those battlelur grips are tempting.
The quality of the forged 640 steel allows for it to handle .357 at 22 ounces. However, even though it is rated for .357, a steady diet is not recommended.
@@LionquestFitness Thanks for reminding me. I sometimes forget about it. Locally, I found some PMC Bronze .38 fmj's. 25 dollars a box. Lowest price I've seen (on .38) in nearly three years. I'd better shoot more of those.
@@tylermorrison7051 The only thing about the PMC, or so I've found in times gone by, they leave a lot of carbon build up on the gun that can cause the cylinder not to turn.
When i took my CCW Class and at the Range i thought i was having an issue with my 856 but learned i had some bad ammo i was shooting the Blazer FMJ 125 grain..
Another awesome video Greg Have a blessed day
Thanks Terry!
My Wife owns and loves both revolvers
A woman of discerning tastes!
Thanks for the honest professional evaluation of revolvers w/o a song and dance like some do. Still like my 605 other than cleaning it. Some time ago the cylinder on my 94 "bootiful" Colt detective special stopped turning & I took it to the gunsmith at my FFL/range. Turned out the side plate set screw below the cylinder was loose. No problema.....PS; the 605 & a bottle of "Hoppes" will be in route to you tomorrow.....LOL
I was like what??? Then I realized you were punking me! 🤣
I had a similar issue with my charter arms undercover.
👍 nice shooting at the end Greg. Another great video. Keep ‘em coming.
GB
Thank you GB.
Good stuff Greg, thanks. I know I am biased, but I too think the 640 S&W is the greatest pocket gun ever made. My 1996 version, that I bought new, is accurate well beyond 50 yards (If I do my part). As to quality control, I always ask the gun store employee to show me all of revolvers (in that model) they have in stock. I carefully inspect the fit (especially along the crane) and barrel allignment. I can't tell you how many gun store employees were suprised when I showed them the poor fit and finish of half of their new guns. Also, I never buy a display gun even if it is the last one in stock. Typically the display guns have had the cylinders snapped shut by "cowboys" and the cranes are bent out of alignment. The bigger/heavier guns are especially prone to this because of the weight of the cylinders.
Hi John, that last set of statements is very good advice I never thought about. I also agree with you on the 640. Even with some of S&W's current short comings, that gun is like a panther in how it comes out of concealment. And with forged steel, it'll hold up to hotter loads at a lighter weight.
@@LionquestFitness I never thought about inspecting those specific issues in that level of detail until about 20 years ago when I bought a .44 Magnum Ruger. It was the only .44 Redhawk with a 4 inch barrel that the store had in stock and I watched the idiot behind the counter snap the cylinder shut and winced when he did it but, I was so hot to get my hands on the gun, I bought it anyway and only after shooting it realized the crane was bent and I sent it back to Ruger but it never was quite right even after they worked on it. I sold it at a loss to that same store and have been very picky ever since. Live and learn, LOL!
@@johnelder4273 I hate those kind of lessons, but they stick.
Fast NY reload and a nice group!
If only man made mechanical devices were all perfect. It's always disappointing to have to send back a defect. When what you are sending back is so heavily regulated, the annoyance level is just nuts!
That's for sure.
Most revolvers will benefit from a upgrade spring set. While I like SW revolvers I have a couple Taurus revolvers and they have been great my .44 tracker is one of my favorite woods guns.
Good point.
👍👍Thanks Greg, very well done. I think with any brand of firearm you can get a lemon but when you buy the less expensive ones it’s a bigger chance because they are cutting corners some where on that firearm to save money. I’ve had pretty good luck out of less expensive revolvers with two out of three being really good. I’ve had really good performance out of a charter arms and a RIA revolver but not so much with my Taurus. My carry revolver is a s&w j frame model 437-2 and I also carry a ruger sp 101 .I really like both of them.
Words of wisdom and experience.
I've been pretty happy with the Taurus guns I have bought. Some have needed a little extra love, but I can say that about every manufacturer I have owned. I currently own a 856, 605, and 85. My everyday is the 85. I own some SW's and I like them too, but I prefer the Taurus. Money is a little tight right now, but I would like to get a 856 executive grade later this summer. Very nice looking SS 856. I doubt it will replace my 85 as my edc but will be nice to have. Thanks for a great video series.
Thanks Tron - always good to hear from you!
How’s it going my friend? Another great review. Always enjoy the comparisons. Like any firearm like you said you got to get to know your firearm and what is capable of Great looking 640 it’s a beauty 👍👍👍👍
Hi Al! Thanks for dropping in today. It is always a pleasure.
@@LionquestFitness same here, my friend same here👍👍👍
This is very useful information. Thank you for posting this video.
My pleasure.
That's great shooting 8 yrds kneeling and you know I love that NY Reload. Wish I had something to use for cover at my range like that. Cheers Greg
Just some old pallets I picked up from work. I've been meaning to pick up one of those blue barrels from Lowes. That is what seems to be popular with a lot of range videos.
Wow! I didn’t realize how bad gun manufacturing has fallen. Glad all my revolvers are pre Covid including my beloved Colts. 😬
He stated it started before the C.
Really enjoyed this series, thanks Greg! I'll admit that I'm one who usually ignores Taurus while visiting gun shops, but I'm going to take a look next visit..thinking about a .22 revolver for plinking... maybe the perfect time for my first Taurus..
Hi Joe - they have a .22 snub, but it's hard to find. I wish I'd have snagged one when they first came out.
The Ruger SP101 that I have had for 15 years has had nothing but cleaning and lubrication, and it has had a great deal of use at the range, and has never had any issue. It is my current EDC, so I hope it is never confiscated, because it sounds like I would have little chance of getting the same workmanship and reliability with a new Ruger or any other make.
Well, I bought a brand new S&W 43C that is currently back at Smith for evaluation and repair. I have a Taurus 942 that runs flawlessly but the Smith is much lighter and that’s why I bought it. The Smith was $800 out the door while the Taurus was $340 out the door. To say that I am extremely frustrated is an understatement, especially given the price difference.
I can’t speak to other people’s experience since COVID but I have heard of Smith having a lot of QC issues on a variety of guns and that their customer service isn’t what it used to be. Perhaps it’s because of them moving their headquarters and having to hire new staff but they need to figure it out quickly before they start getting Taurus’s old reputation.
I agree.
Great video Greg. You are always a good source of snubby information. I enjoy mine and always carry one. Cuz you never know.
I don't look down on anyone's choice of carry, but for most us who are law abiding, stay away from trouble kind of people, a snub revolver makes a very practical carry that goes where you go.
@@LionquestFitness I agree.
I have been fortunate to not have any problems with any of my guns. Buy enough of them though and it's bound to happen. Good series Greg!
Hi Mark! Thanks!
A stick works to, but the best pocket revolvers are s&w's. Fit, finish & trigger action. You can always find a gripe you like. It's only you life, right?
😃Good point Casper.
I have a 605 and really like it. I carry +P+ 38 Special handloads in it that have Lehigh defender bullets - 140 grain. I don't want the .357 Mag muzzle blast if I ever have to use this in a confined space. The 38 Special loads will be loud enough...
And from shooting around barricades and walls in training I can vouch for that!
Bom dia aqui do Brasil meu amigo. A honestidade do Sr em seus vídeos é que faz de mim a cada dia mais fã do seu trabalho. Bom final de semana e excelente semana , Deus abençoe 🙏🙏🙏🇧🇷🤝🇺🇲
Boa tarde meu amigo brasileiro! Como não sou patrocinado é fácil ser honesto. Eu ainda amo revólveres e revólveres Taurus. Se você trabalhar com eles, eles trabalharão para você.
@@LionquestFitness 👏👏👏👏👏👏🤝
Would love to see where the Ruger SP101 fits into all this.
It's a sometime carry for when I feel the need to carry .357 in a snub and I also use it for hiking or fishing. One round of snake shot and four of .357.
Another great and informative video, my friend! 👍
Thank you Antonius! I'm still watching your older videos. I've learned a lot about Glocks and Glock production as well as some of the myths perpetuated by some in the training industry.
I have a Taurus 905 (9mm), That little revolver feels awesome in my hand but I'll never be able to trust it to carry. I've had nothing but cylinder binding issues and light primer strikes with it. It's the second Taurus revolver I own that I have had problems with. I'll never own another one. S&W all day for me.
A rare gun, a 9 mm revolver, but problems like that easily sour you on a brand.
thank you for sharing what you learned through your research. i need to take me 85 out and shoot it more. i haven't shot it much as i bought it to replace the old 85 i used to have which i shot a lot. in between the two, i bought a 605, which i shoot enough that i know that it's fine. as ammo prices fall, i will shoot more with more of my guns. with summer on the way, my carry options are basically 605, kt p11, and lcp II, all of which run fine.
Good afternoon on finally a sunny day! I've owned three 605's and they've all been good guns. One is my second favorite handgun.
Have you ever had, or even seen, issues with the Smith and Wesson Internal Lock? I've been strictly a Ruger wheelgun guy for years because the Internal Lock on the Smiths makes me nervous, BUT I've been wanting a 640 and my local FFL has a great deal on them right now. In your experience, is the lock a legitimate concern?
Good question. In my experience of owning three with the lock, I haven't had any problems or was able to confirm any reports of people having had problems. This site is a good one to ask your question www.smithandwessonforums.com/forums/
Thanks for another great video. I have a hard debate, I’m between the model 60, or sp101 (both would be 3”). I think I would pocket carry sometimes so the sp101 seems that it would snag less in its design. The model 60 has a rear sight, which is a plus in accuracy, but a negative for carrying (especially in the pocket). It’s also lighter than the sp101 by a few ounces. My first and only revolver right now is the gp100 4.2” with the hogue grips. Absolute tank and a sweet shooter. I think I would be familiar with the trigger, function, and overall feel of the firearm if I went with the sp101. If you have any comments on these two let me know! Thanks in advance!
You summed it up pretty good, the SP101 would be a good fit for you. And, me personally I'd go with the Ruger; just make sure the barrel isn't clocked. And that is something I'd check with any modern Smith as well.
Ruger SP101 my friend. They are the only new guns that are the same as the old ones
You can't go wrong with an SP101, and if there is a problem, Ruger has the rep of making it right. I read a forum post recently of an older one that had blown apart due to bad ammo. Someone from Ruger saw the post, liked the story of how that gun had been a long term companion, contacted the guy and replaced his with another despite the fact the ammo was clearly the culprit.
Have not seen you in awhile, good video. Thanks Greg
Hi Dano - I've been tied up with work this past few weeks.
@@LionquestFitness I understand , I am 67 and just went back to work in a local machine shop. I worked at the mill for 33 years been retired since 2009.
@@dano1956 American industry. The backbone of America. Welcome back.
@@LionquestFitness Greg what Jean's work best with pocket carry?
@@dano1956 Wear a size bigger than you normally wear works best for me. As far as carry though, the 5.11 canvas cargo pants have deep sturdy pockets that hide a handgun.
I always enjoy your videos…I was wondering if you could only have 1 would you choose the Smith 640 or Smith 60 or Smith 642 ?
Hi Steve - I'd have to go with the one Rex Applegate helped develop and that would be the 640.
I would have to agree….I have the 640 & 642 but I just seem to favor that little extra weight in the 640….it feels better in the pocket
Same here.@@bigsteve7857
That was very informative Greg.
Nice looking guns.
So Grambo....whe are you doing the 357 with bandana? 😊
I knew you'd be here, Les. That's two votes for the Grambana. 😅
@Tyler Morrison Hey Tyler, how's things going Old Mate?
We gotta keep the pressure on Grambo 😀 to open the Academy!!!
@@lesgillard985 Absolutely. With our polite pressuring, Grambo Academy will become a reality!
@Tyler Morrison of course, always polite....you see how many guns he has...not to mention he seems to hit the targets a lot 😀
How does this sound?
Each level of competency gets a different coloured bandanna.
But you can only wear one....we wouldn't want to give people the wrong idea 😞
@@lesgillard985 I think Grambo could wear five or more bandanas at the same time.
Hi Greg. My Colt Pythons and King Cobras have been perfect. My latest S&W revolvers have also been top notch. I’m really anal when I buy a firearm, and bring a loupe and feeler gauges. I’d like to grab a Taurus revolver, but you and Gun Sam have been leery. 🤷🏼👍👍👍👍
Nothing wrong with detailed examination of a firearm. The fireman's mantra "Try before you pry" when breaching doors comes to mind as an analogy. You save a lot of headache and heartburn from careful examination.
@@LionquestFitness I’ve passed on a lot of online retailer revolvers for this reason.
@@frankbutta9344 I've also yet to do it myself. I want to handle and see what I am getting into.
A friend of mine back in the late 1980s was a Taraus fan . He got a new model 66 on Saturday at a gun show. We went to shoot after and discovered the cylinder was out of spec and was shaving lead off the bullet as it entered the forcing cone. Next day back to gun show and traded it for a S&W model 10. He had several more problems from them. I really like the 605 but am kinda wondering about getting one due to a maybe issue. I know they will fix it. I may get a 605 and say the heck with it. It seems yours is ok. See you made me get a new gun stop it.
I had really good luck with the 605 (I bought several, kept them for awhile and then gave them as gifts) the 82, the 85, and one 856. But, that was pre-Covid.
Greg I’m in the market for those Henry big boys!
They would be perfect for carrying! But they would be perfect if they would have put a octagon shaped barrel on these new pistols !!!
If the first run goes I'm sure they'll expand the line up and variety. The word is that a .22 and .22 magnum are in the works.
nice shooting
Hey Greg i saw a Taurus Model 605 for 200.00 used its the all black model do you like the Taurus 605?
get it
I've a 605 that has been a good companion for the past six or seven years. It is my second favorite gun.
Very informative and thought provoking video. I had to send my charter arms pitbull back to have the canted barrel straightened.
How has their customer service been Al?
@@LionquestFitness I'll have to say, in my case, they were great. And I was concerned it might not turn out that way. They even threw in a set of grips!
@@bigal2696 Great to hear!
So 856 grips will fit an 85 no problem? I know the upper part of the frame is a bit bigger on the 856 but wasn’t sure of any size difference on the grip/lower part of the frame.
Yes, the grips for the 85 will fit the 856. Also grips for the 605.
My advice to new shooters is be born a long time ago when guns were better built and more affordable.
As far as as S&W, I like collecting revolvers from the sixties to the early eighties. They're my best performers and have the highest quality.
Good info
Thanks Batjac!
Thank you, Greg. Good info.
Tks a great vedio
Bad QC across the board - including Smith & Wesson!... Fortunately I've found no defects with my revolvers. And the same thing is true with ammo within recent years; lower quality.
I got where I order most of my ammo from Georgia Arms. It's not the best, but it is consistent in the quality. I've been disappointed in some of the name brands I used to shoot a lot prior to the pandemic.
Taurus isn’t a budget firearm in my opinion. Taurus uses the same CNC process as s&w. Taurus has no reason to over price in order to gain customer base. I like my 605 stainless over a 640 smith I use to have because the Taurus is2 ounces heavier at 24 ounces, instead of the 640 at 22 ounces. I believe 2 inch revolvers should be bought with steel or stainless steel instead of airweight aluminum
I've one airweight I keep for deep concealment, but I prefer steel as well.
Most of the craftsman and those that take pride in their work are old , 60+
Like me
That is the quality issue
Can't argue with that.
I just can't see paying $1000 or 1200 for a handgun unless you have a lot of money.i am retired and my 6 shot 856 2"or 3" defender will do anything an s&w or over priced colt will do .I don't believe in paying for a nice sounding name really
Amen to that.
@@LionquestFitness I really enjoy your videos.i used to be a die hard semi auto fan but now it's revolvers.dont have to pick up brass all over the place
@@carlostrujillo4750 Definitely an advantage!
All are just great looking snubbies
Thanks Chief!