Doc Rivers on What Went Wrong With the Sixers | The Bill Simmons Podcast
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- Bill Simmons is joined by former Sixers head coach Doc Rivers to discuss what Joel Embiid needs to do to take the next step in his career, how it ended with the Sixers against the Celtics, and whether James Harden’s playoff reputation is unfairly earned or not.
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Never thought I'd see the day when these two have a civil conversation
We honestly need more of this. The culture of if you're not with me, you're against me or everyone's an opp really needs to stop. Two people with different outlooks can have a civil conversation.
Doesn't Bill employ two of his kids? Doc at a disadvantage lol
Just rewatched the secret base beef video of them today 🤣
@@grahamjl766 1000% agree
@@lukechiarieri3269 what was their beef? Or do you have a link to that video?
Doc Story: A few years ago (18-19 season) I was in college covering a Clippers game for my sports journalism class and after the game we got to go to Doc’s postgame press conference. Doc knew our class was there and called us out and asked that the mic be passed down to our row. Somehow, the mic ended up with me. I was nervous as hell but I asked him a question about the teams performance versus outside expectation and he gave me a very thoughtful and detailed response and thanked me for the question. It was a small gesture but it meant a lot to me. You can say a lot about Doc as a coach but I will always think highly of him as a person.
That just tells me he knows how to play the game....which is the criticism that follows him today
@@exitscreaming4637 So him being somewhat nice to a person and giving a detailed answer to a question means he knows basketball? What an odd criteria. The man played in the NBA for several seasons and has coached several teams. Clearly he should know the game. But none of that means he isn't a bad coach. Which he is. He only won with a loaded Celtics team. That team should've won more actually. Doc is terrible when it comes to making adjustments. Fans have watched it for years now and players who've played for Doc have said he makes no adjustments during games.
Doc Rivers has the gift of empathy. He just knows what life feels like from the other guys shoes. Hes a good man.
@@exitscreaming4637how is knowing how to play the game a criticism??
@@kencarthen1642 I was referring to the PR game , not the game of basketball . He's a good talker. I probably should have worded it differently
Docs agent had to call him up and say “Doc you got an interview with a William Simmons” only way this conversation happened
Both his son & daughter have a pod with Ringer, I believe.
Simónnės
I bet you they have hashed it out behind the scenes. His son and daughter work there.
🤣🤣
What happened? Please tell the backstory if there is any?
Salute to Doc and Bill for doing this podcast despite their history.
Ya'll know Bill is just throwing bait out there for Doc to bite on and Doc is eating the boat right now, Doc is biting at everything
What's their beef?
@@ipsun1632Bill was a harsh critic in the Media when Doc coached the Celtics.
True
@tonious35 lol you can see in bill's face 'I just got him to insult the Orlando team again'
Was not expecting this interview
Me neither, Simmons doesn’t hesitate criticizing Doc.
I’m sure I’ve recently watched a Beef History between these two! Clearly the beef has been cooked and eaten!
They don't call him the pod father for nothing
@@Mikegaryhouse I think the 'beef history'' as mostly for the clicks. It's overblown conspiracy crap.
You weren't expecting Doc to blame the players who just got him fired ? Bwahahaha
I haven't listened to a ton of Doc interviews, but I didn't expect him to be this honest. I'm gonna go listen to the whole podcast now
He got fired he got nothing to lose
Kinda feel like he's not really looking for a new job. Feels more like he is in the media stage of his career again but idk he may try to coach again.
He always says everything. he's been talking about that orlando team for years
No reason to lie now lol. Nobody’s feelings to protect.
@@turner4243 Depends on the money and how much he misses it, if he does come back I'd expect him to be better garnishing new perspective. He's had the luxury of bouncing around the top jobs he needs a little bit of a reality check i suppose.
Most unexpected collab of all time
Nope.... kg and Joakim Noah just had one recently..lol its close
I listen to Simmons and he's been critical of Doc but that can't be the reason for this being unexpected. What is the reason?
lol not really Doc needed to blame his players for their loss and Bill was willing to listen
Doc Rivers needs to get back on TV. He's brilliant on tv.
He is now
Embiid has the same problem Tatum has. A) takes too long to make his move when he gets the ball allowing the defense to set against him and B) not recognizing before his move where the helps coming from.
Inversely it’s why Jokic is so dominant. He does both well.
Interesting that they both have the same exact trainer. I agree tho.
Both are horrible decision makers. Something hard to learn if someone just focuses on shooting and dribbling on off season😂😂😂
Spot on
Joel is a bad passer, and while I think it can be improved with good coaching, what Jokic does is innate, he just have a natural feel for it.
@@Byronic19134 cuz that trainer specializes in teaching players on how to score.
Listening to this I can see how Doc keeps getting jobs coaching in the NBA. He's really easy to talk to.
He should be a tv analyst then.
Yepp he can BS with the best
And i can sew how he keeps getting fired
Great to see they have squashed the old beef, great pod!
What old beef I’m lost
Markirving22 Bill Simmons would often criticize Doc as a coach but Doc felt a way about it. But they seem to resolve their issue
@@anthonycelestin3559 oh ok
Search Secret Base Bill Simmons Doc. They have a great and entertaining on their historic beef
Doc Rivers is such a great interview. It's kind of baffling how open and transparent he is.
Perhaps that’s his secret to securing coaching jobs and being a coach players rave about and want to play for. He knows how to talk to them. He’s real.
@@lv20213 good point. he speaks openly about players without it coming off as disrespectful.
He's so open because he blew FOUR 3-1 Leads
He has no choice
Dock is definitely baffling
Is also baffling how he doesn’t take any blame for losing because of lack of strategic adjustments
No one is better at passing off blame than Doc Rivers
His ego has always been bigger than his talent...You want a real opinion on Doc, listen to Michael Lombardi's podcast, GM shuffle...Lombardi sees through Doc's BS.
@@joshtutor5606 --- Doc is a good regular season coach. In the playoffs? Different story.
he hasn't made it past the 2nd rd since his Bos days in 2012. That's a 11 year drought (and he had CP3-Blake-then MVP Joel-Harden).
“It’s not Blake’s fault. It’s not Blake’s fault”
@@jlui21 ya'll just say stupid shit lol.
@@jlui21don’t forget he also had kawhi who just had got fmvp last year and pg13 who had been top 3 mvp last year with okc and 2 sixeth men but choke in the second round 😂
It's refreshing to see Doc's honest take on this year's 76ers team without totally going PR on us like he did in those Press Conferences. From what I gathered it looks like Joel needs to have a better relationship with his teammates. Not saying he's a selfish player however he's too lowkey and not outgoing enough in the locker room. This has always been a problem with Embiid it seems which is why guys like Tobias had to take on that role when in reality the BEST player needs to be that leader.
In that Houston game with Joe Smith and Corey Brewer making good shots, the game changer was actually 38 year old Pablo Prigioni. He came in, got a couple of steals off inbound passes, brought in his experience and calm demeanour and had the best +/- of the game. He was so good that Doc brought him to the Clips the following year, following his tradition of "I'll hire the guy that beat me"
Glad to see you guys talking again
I swear to god, despite his failures, it's impossible to not like this guy. And I could see how someone would feel like maybe he could get it done because of his confidence and composure without arrogance.
This is like if skip hosted lebron after a final loss and was supportive lol
NAH..... that would be historic in the media. This is good to see. That would be a seismic shift!
@@ky6632 Bill was that guy in NBA media during the Doc beef.
@zjz19900621 fr and unlike Bron and skip they went back and forth A lot
this pod and discussion was excellent. it's great hearing doc rivers talk shop.
Srsly is this a glitch in the matrix? 🤣 Props to both for making that interview
Doc knows a lot about what went wrong with teams. He’s done it over and over.
Always saying our team needs to get better. No Doc, you need to get better.
This is a prime example of coaches knowing exactly what fans are seeing what's wrong with their team and the coaches are even saying it but the PLAYERS don't listen. Great interview Doc was very candid.
Prime example of coaches diverting blame
He’s been givin how many future hall of famers and only has 1 ring?
Right, like the fact that Doc loses series leads because he doesn't know how to make strategic adjustments to counter the adjustments made by other teams in the middle of a series?
This is why doc keeps getting a job he shouldn't have at all.
Say what you will about doc rivers and his coaching ability but you gotta respect how he doesn’t stray away from tough questions.
I like this honest side of Doc. Great interview
" Honest side " means blaming his players for losing......ok......lol
Unfortunately for Joel, it seems like his body just isn’t built for a full regular season and playoffs. He is such a massive dude who plays pretty physically demanding basketball and it takes a toll. Jokic’s style allows him to be effective in the regular season and then go completely nuclear in the playoffs.
I almost think he should just play more bully ball. Doing all these step backs, crossovers, etc can't be great for his legs. Back guys up in the post and shoot the jump hook!
Phila has surrounded Embiid w/ slop he's got to kill himself at both ends every game..... man has the #5 career scoring Avg in NBA history & Dominates on Defense & contrary to these narratives Embiid's playoff & Reg seasons stats are identical 27 pts 11 reb 3 ast vs 25 pts 11 reb 3 ast (look it up) & his Free Throw attempts are the same too 10.4 vs 9.9 in the playoffs.....
Phila's problem is they are one of the worst run organizations in the NBA under their current ownership..... but you Never hear that b/c NBA media & protects Ownership & Management at All costs...... I have a lot of respect for Doc but I expected him to Savage Morey & Phila's owner Wall St Crook Josh Harris - but he aint gonna bite the hand that feeds him b/c he'll never get another job if he does
@@jackzeldon2883 man, Embiid just played very bad in clutch moments in playoffs, like very bad, both def and offense. And as for the offence in some games he was shying away from taking responsibility and making actions himself and he should be a no1 star, just bad.
@@jackzeldon2883he’s had great teams since 2017 give me a break
Right, it's Joel's fault for the team not making any adjustments to account for the strategic adjustments made by the other team which put the 76ers to bet.
Give me a break Doc. Always shifting the blame on players instead of himself.
I really enjoyed this interview. The coaching insights and stories were great.
Could certainly see why Mat Ishbia thought he was a finalist for the head coaching gig for the Suns before ultimately giving it to Frank Vogel.
Wow these two are friends again? Props to both of them!! This was such a great pod!!
@Apple-ep2vqthey had "beef"
Damn....... This is what podcasts are supposed to be about!!!! Great job Bill 🔥🔥🔥
I was shocked to hear Doc on the podcast, I thought these guys were not on good terms. Glad to see some people can act like adults and have a good, in-depth conversation despite their history.
Man I could listen to Doc allday. I can see why a lot of people love him
He knows hoops and he knows how to explain the game in simple ways. I don’t think he’s a good coach but I still have a lot of respect for him.
@@WorldwideWyatt -- he's a good regular season coach, build culture, etc. But in the playoffs where you need Xs and Os?
He hasn't made it past the 2nd round since 2012 w/ Boston.
@@WorldwideWyatt his peers think hes a great coach....
@@jlui21 regular season winning culture?
@@elzrobinson3307 how you know his pairs ain't laughing behind his back? Coaches gonna stick up for coaches especially in the media but doc is known as a choker
Great great interview bill. Really good insights. Thank you!
Espectacular charla! Muy honesto Doc y muy claro
I’ve spent a little time around the Sixers and I can tell you with certainty that the “spend time with your teammates off the court and show them that you love them” was an issue. The team seems so separated from James and Embiid when it comes to events and that’s if Embiid and Harden show up at all.
Doc doing such an open interview about the job he just lost with a guy who he has had his differences with over the years? Very unexpected, but very refreshing. Good on both of them.
Bwahahahaha
Great pod did not expect doc to be so transparent
Woooooooow the interview I’d never thought I’d see
This was an incredible interview. Doc was really honest and forthcoming, highly recommend listening to the whole Pod.
I would've liked Bill to ask him to grade himself as the 76ers head coach, why did you withdraw your name from the Phoenix job, why don't you believe in the development of young players ? Do you think it's a coaching problem losing 10 straight game 7s? Do you think you have a lack of adjustments issues? Why haven't you been able to get out of the 2nd round in over a decade? Questions of that magnitude since he was being so honest
Joel was more concerned with making sure he campaigned for his mvp than he was with winning the title. It was very clear the mvp was the single most important thing to him this year.
Facts he not upset that all his contemporaries in his age group (giannis,tatum,jaylen,booker,siakim,adebayo,now jokic) have made the finals n some even won a championship meanwhile he's still struggling reaching the conference finals.Dude needs to get his priorities straight
You want this guy to cry every time he loses
@@andywalken6838 LMAOO that's how he became a meme in the first place
So what?
But he always has been like that.
Is an egocentric and childlesh superstar
This was a great interview bravo
hey bill love the show and great content as always but hopefully for your future vids it will be on HD
Sheesh. Great interview from Doc. Guy is super intelligent. Easy to see how he has stayed employed as a coach for so long.
Living off that 2008 titles for YEARS, good riddance doc
Clearly Bill was trying not to ruffle doc's feathers
@@noahcrouse9789 🤡
That's his problem, you listen to the dude on a podcast, and he sounds like a genius both at strategy, analysis, and handling people. But then he coaches a team, and makes mind blowing bad decisions, no adjustments, and then when his team fails, it's clear the stars ain't standing up saying "that's our guy".
It's easy to say and do the right thing when the pressure is not on.
His teams throw out clunkers in big playoff games consistently. As soon as I saw the Sixers were going to game 7 with Doc I knew it was over.
16:36 I think he's talking about Ben Simmons 😂😂😂. Doc really needs the break
Nobody cares what he thinks the best fit for the sixers, when he's been the biggest problem of the sixers
Fr 😂
Cant be since Ben Isnt a Scorer anymore😂😂
Should have persisted with Ben but supplemented his scoring gap with Maxey. I think Simmons, Maxey and Embiid could have worked. Damage was done first by Daryl trying to trade him 2-4 weeks into his job. Harden went to the nets but created doubt with Ben. It was downhill after that.
Excellent interview!! Love Doc. Brilliant mind in bball. I'd love to see him pop up on a few sports shows hear and there, maybe announce a few games. Likeable guy!
Doc talks in circles, takes credit for anything he can and blames his players for not stepping up in losses. What a coach!
Haven't watched yet but I fully expect Doc to blame everyone and take zero percent of the blame
Spot on
He does to Embiid what Embiid does to their teamtes 😂
Thats why they fit in Philly
Definitely his fault the MVP and James Harden played like dogshit in game 7.
@@petergianakopoulos4926Who does he blame?
Thats exactly what he did
Biggest choker in the history of sports. God bless his heart.
This is one of the best sports podcast episodes I think I’ve seen. Everyone should watch the full episode
The fact there is an actual youtube video highlighting the beef these two had...to this..
Is actually pretty wild, and I love it! Bury the hatchet.
Rivers low key throwing Harden under the bus. This dude's ego is something else
But he didn’t tell a lie …. James Harden’s style of basketball does not equal post season success.
So who's the next improbable guest? LeBron? Isiah Thomas?
No way Isiah ever happens. I could see LeBron but only after he retires.
Lebron only does interviews with people on his payroll and “yes men”
@@allenmobley8444 LeBron hate truly a disease.
@@Two-ToneMoonStone no way LeBron ever happens
@@superdopehiphop I think it's more likely than Isiah. Doc and BS didn't like each other for pretty petty reasons, LeBron's reason to dislike Bill is way less petty and Isiah's is even less petty than that. Plus Isiah has no reason to do this interview.
I love when guys in the league are honest
Props to Doc for doing this interview
This is like the basketball equivalent to 2 rappers who had beef joining on a podcast together years after the fact.
we forget how young he is?! hes 29, Lebron won at 27, MJ at 28 and they took some time to mature.. Jokic is 28 and hed probably won before if all the guys werent hurt
Embild got only to second round
Wasn't as bad as I thought based on the sound bites.Nice work. I love how honest doc is.
great conversation
In the middle of this amazing podcast, Bill was trying to set Doc up with a set of questions: "What's wrong with Harden in playoffs", "How hard is it to coach Harden", "who's the ideal 3rd guy for 76ers if it's not Harden", he phrase it a bit differently but that's eccentially the guided trap he laid out, and Doc answered those question with sincerety and class, not throwing Harden undered bus. Props to him.
Bullshit he didn't!
He must've learned his lesson from throwing Ben Simmons under the bus. Also from throwing his Clippers teams under the bus when he said that that cast had no chance to win a Championship.
I agree Doc love deflecting but I feel like this interview was more revealing about Harden and his inability to evolve his basketball tendencies
@@back2back379 doc did not throw Ben under the bus doc was the 1 who said "I don't need Ben to shoot"..."you want me to bench 1 of my best players"? doc babied Ben way too much keeping him in the 4th quarters watching Ben running from the ball
@@rohandunbar2072 right, and then once they were eliminated, he said he doesn’t know the answer to the question as to if they can win with Ben as the starting guard. What do you think that is? I also like how you just ignored the part about the clippers, but that’s cool 👍
Job of the coach is to raise the level of the players around Embiid. It is not JoJos job. It’s Doc Rivers’
Loved thisss
After watching the beef history between you two and now to see this. I’m happy to see it.
Remarkable how many commenters on here are looking right past the person who is right near (if not at) the top in being responsible for the failures: Doc Rivers. His finger-pointing in all directions without ONCE taking any responsibility himself is very telling. He's coached three teams with near, future, and current hall of famers all over the place and has one title to show for it; three top 50 all time players were on that team and Rondo might sneak in the hall of fame too. I think the average NBA coach does better with what he's been handed than Doc did.
Doc seems like a great coach.
Doc is a great interview
Doc said imma let the clip spray ever since he got fired 😂😂😂😂
I guess Doc no longer considers Bill an idiot?
Doc may not be the best coach, but he isn't dumb. He's staying in the public eye enough to stay relevant for his next gig, whether it be TV or coaching.
How about the team making open shots thats basketball if you don't make shots how can you win 😂😂😂
@@mdquaglia Doc's a great reg season coach...he just cant or doesn't feel the need to motivate his players when it gets extra spicy in the playoffs. He also struggles to take responsibility during losses. He needs to take that next step or keep adding L's when up 3-1 in a series.
@@Peanutdenver he's incapable of making adjustments, can't stagger starters and bench players minutes, too stubborn, high ego, never takes accountability
when I saw Doc was on I was pleased they must have squashed the beef. Doc would be a great addition to the podfamily
Good interview.
This has to be one of the most unexpected talks about basketball ever.
I always get the sense that Doc never really learns from his disastrous failures in the playoffs. He seems to think it was a few bad plays and poor health.
His famous line after the Houston loss about losing due to 'bad luck'.
Absolutely Phenomenal
Great podcast
How often does Doc take any responsibility for anything?
Always blaming circumstances, litterally every team every year has tough circumstances to some degree except maybe the 2017 Warriors who only faced adversity for like the first month or 2 of the season getting adjusted playing together. Sometimes Docs team has a legitimate excuse to not win , but often they lose and are relatively healthy compared to everyone else and have the talent to beat whoever they lost to.
Who did he blame? Doc is simply describe his experience from his perspective. He says "we" because that's how leaders talk. He is a top 5 winning coach in NBA history. And here you are blowing a load because he's not beating himself up over Harden and Embiid disappearing in game 7.
@Vincent Salamatino FACTS..... both those guys have MVPs and they somehow need a coach to get them going in a game 7. You watch the Joker close out the Heat, and there wasn't shit Malone did. He ranchis starters out there... Joker just put everyone on his back down the stretch to close the game.
@@ky6632 murray hits shots usually because he is in his prime and gets 25ppg usually. Harden doesnt hit anything sometimes and thats a problem.
@@Byronic19134 top 5 in your book, ESPN rank him 15th
where did he deflect blame? James HArden is a disaster & Philly gave up 2 - #1 picks for his fat azz - do you realize Jimmy Butler & Harden were born 14 days apart??? Harden plays 10 yrs older..... Philly is a Mess - 6 GM's in 12 yrs under current ownership & each GM been a disaster.... Hiring Nurse was Laughable - 100% Morey CYA move... Embiid need to Demand a trade
I cannot believe this happened
Wow! never thought I’d see this.
I forgot how great Doc is at media stuff. He hasn’t lost a beat
Joel has been coddled and places blame on everyone else when the sixers lose. He only cared for the mvp. He proved that last year and this year. Unpopular opinion, joel painted a target on himself when he and doc threw ben simmons under the bus and blamed him. Now ben is gone and they still haven’t gotten past 2nd round and doc got fired.
The same thing that went wrong with every other team he’s coached lol
I just got recommended a video on rivers vs simmons beef last night and now today they are doing a podcast lmaoo life is interesting
I literally just watched the beef video yesterday lol
I know it’s a serious step down from where he’s been as a legend in the league, but he would be such an incredible assistant coach in Toronto. You can tell he connects to players on a different level
Legend???...what legend are you referring to? There's not a coach alive who couldn't bring that 2010 Boston Celtics team to 3 championships, doc had a super team, won 1 chip, made 2 finals, and hasn't been past the 2nd round since 2012, lost 10 straight game 7s, blew three 3-1 leads, guess you mean legendary choker
“I want to call him an idiot but I am too classy for that”
Great coach
Way to go Doc: Do your thing.
almost every playoff series over the past 5 years would’ve went differently for the sixers if embiid didn’t play so loose/careless with the ball, didn’t try to foul bait all the time and didn’t settle for jumpers so much. hopefully he figures that out for himself before it’s too late (age and health)
What are you talking about? The 76ers blew the series to the celtics because Doc didn't make an adjustment for when the Celtics inserted Rob Williams into the lineup and opened up the rim for the celtics.
Is that not a coaching issue? Screw Glen Rivers.
This is Doc's interview for coming back to the Celtics haha
💯 mill.. good stuff
i just watched their beef episode yesterday 😂
Doc wanted out of Boston because he didn’t want to rebuild and they’ve experienced more success than him during these 10 years LOL. Gift that keeps on giving.
Let that sink in
I really dont understand why contenders keep giving Doc Rivers a chance.
Cause he’s more successful than 90 percent of nba coaches..
@@smtiewul so successful he hasnt been past round 2 since 2008 lmaooo
@@smtiewulhow?
every current head coach with a title is better than him, and there’s young guys coming up like Udoka and Monty and probably more I’m missing who are better
@@DuhShazeytbh 2010 but same 💩 different 🚽
WOW THESE 2 HAVING A CIVIL CONVERSATION. Never thought I'd see the day.
“The truth keeps changing”
This feels like the time Kobe and shaq did that staredown 1 on 1 interview to signify the truce to their feud
Maybe Joel would stay healthy if he didn't fall down every play
Couldn’t be more surprised to see doc rivers on this pod lol.
Master class on politely passing off responsibility.. blame someone else but also give that person excuses why THEY didn't perform well. Bravo Doc, Bravo
Is Doc ever self-critical?
Nope
No he's just wildy successful in life.
Remember "would you ask Pop that question" 🤣😂😅 this guy is something else
Folks want Embiid to a leader, rally his teammates, "be around your guys & spend time witchur guys & let em know you love em" but iTz difficult to do that when you have teammates that you have chemistry with getting traded every year wifout the organization consulting you about it. The folks up top need to lead by example
you are the only person on this thread w/ a brain.... Ownership still paying Doc Millions to take a yr off so he aint gonna say ish about Phila's real issue which is Ownership & Front Office.... NBA media protects ownership at all costs & I'm show Simmons agreed before this interview not to make a single remark about Josh Harris or Daryl Morey
I was absolutely shocked when I saw Doc was on the pod this morning
After watching this two have a great conversation with one another, I know there is hope for America
doc rivers is a solid coach but part of those failures were adjustments he needed to make. He's kinda being used as a scapegoat tho cause harden and Embiid both dropped duds in back to back games