Love this… from a larger production pov I think you guys nailed it. That’s easily VC, PP and AP. Would love to see this video but talking about the independents/relatively smaller folks. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Great overview! Elisabeth I love the AP on your wrist. There are other brands making timepieces at the same level and standard as the holy trinity including A Lange & Sohne and independents like F.P. Journe.
Great place! I visited Ryan and Bill yesterday and walked out with two watches for a great deal (super thrilled. Thanks guys). Fair pricing. Fair trading policies. A real pleasurable experience all around.
Lange makes the best movements and their finishing is unreal, IMO. They are horrible at marketing and branding, so they are often overlooked compared to the Holy Trinity. Their workmanship and quality is right up there with the big 3!
Don't totally agree with that. I do agree that their finishing is equal to the top three, but when it comes to movements I would say JLC make the best movements, and that's why AP, Patek and Vacheron have used them.
In Lange's defense, its technically the holy trinity of swiss watchmaking. If it was just the trinity, then AP would be out and Lange would not just be in, it would hold the top spot inside the trinity.
Lange's workmanship and quality maybe even better! I do not own a Lange nor would I every buy on simply because they are so massive that they of little purpose as they should be used as ship chronometers. But whey is Lange even mentioned here since it would NEVER be ranked among this holy trinity only because it is of German origin - not Swiss. Unfortunately, like politics, marketing money rules in today's horology industry. I would hardly say that a new Patek is overrated but in many ways a Breguet is a better and nicer looking watch, and in just about every respect - the Patek is a nicer watch than the AP, where Vacheron can be in a league by its self, with Rolex remaining as the most practical.
VC is the maison that embodies Greatness , classicism and integrity . In my eyes , the most exclusive out of the holy trinity . We can observe than only powerful people are wearing it ( not looking to be aknowledged by randoms )
Great video Ryan & Elizabeth! Love the history intertwined. A must visit for any Timepiece Aficionado. They have a great selection and an extremely knowledgeable and professional staff. My Favorite Panerai Selection. Shoutout to My Main Man Ryan! 😎⌚️
The Holy Trinity historical roots has always been confined to the Swiss Watch market. In my humble opinion, The Holy Trinity is an outdated branding excercise. With brands like FP Journe and A Lange & Sohnne, there are now many newcomers that rival these old school watch houses. To APs credit, nobody talks about their amazing catalogue other than their Royal Oak, which in many ways is the least amount of AP you can buy. AP minute repeaters and grand comps get zero attention. Great video, keep making content.
Half of Patek’s output is ladies quartz watches. What does that tell you?? Many collectors will tell you that Lange and Journe are far better than Patek.
A Lange and Sohne are equal to the top three, but not better. FP Jorne are also good but I think their designs are way off what people want and if they where not pushed so hard by Matchbox, they would not be even mentioned.
Why Does AP get regarded in the Holy Trinity when all they have is the RO? They literally have no other independent model lines outside of the RO that people want. One Trick Pony!
Patek Philippe's movements are rivaled by A. Lange & Söhne. IMHO A. Lange & Söhne even makes the better movements! As a Swiss I have to admit this fact! It doesn't change the holy trinity because this is only about Swiss watches. Swatch group even claims that Blancpain stays the oldest brand in the world! And it's amazing to note that Blancpain never made quartz watches. Even the Blancpain x Swatch watches use System 51 - the automatic movement by Swatch! 😇
You have to keep Rolex in there but I also understand having Vasch Constantine in there as it’s also right on that list. Maybe it shouldn’t be a trinity but a quaternity and that wood solve it
Trinity swiss watches are like rolls royce, even if you have enough money you can’t buy it or you have to wait in a queue for it(Plus they are mostly handmade and complex watches). While rolex is like mercedes, if you have money you can order one(They are mostly fabricated and simpler).
@emphasis20 Uh no. Omega isn't better than Rolex on ANY level and whike Glas may have better movement overall its not as durable or well made as Rolex Rolex isn't Rolex because of marketing my man, it a damn good watch. SMDH FBA/B1
@@richardweir3342 that aint the reason dude - - Rolex was founded in London and not Switzerland. This Duo do not know what they are talking about other than marketing expensive watches.
You said a lot about each of these fine watchmakers but like politicians you said nothing. The so-called Holy Trinity of Watch Makers refers ONLY to those watch makers who founded their companies in Switzerland, which you fail to mention. Many argue that Breguet (which may be a better timepiece than any you mentioned herewith) can NEVER be among this trinity since Breguet founded his company in France - and should always be considered a French establishment, similarly to Rolex, which was founded in England, and of course Lange is German.
Honda have made some of the greatest and most successful engines in the history of motor racing. They've supplies engines to Formula 1, MotoGp, IndyCar, world touring car and world sports car among others. Your analogy is crap.
@@asensibleyoungman2978 my analogy is fine....Honda makes a good motor just like Rolex makes a good watch... but both companies are crap compare to the bigger brands.
@@ultimatedouchebag6760 They are superior to bigger brands. Try using a Ferrari every day. It'll break and cost you hundreds of thousands to keep running. They're just poorly engineered mobile trinkets. Honda make the most reliable engines in the world plus they have made motor racing engines that have beaten the likes of Ferrari. You clearly know nothing about engines. No motorsport guy, mechanic or enthusiast would ever describe Honda as crap.
You do not know what you are talking about, at least when it comes to horology - any Rolex chronometer used with a sextant and almanacs is made for and capable of locating and navigating a person to any place on earth. I don't know about you but I would rather have a Honda than just about any race car.
Love this… from a larger production pov I think you guys nailed it. That’s easily VC, PP and AP. Would love to see this video but talking about the independents/relatively smaller folks. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Great idea!
Vacheron is my favorite of the 3, I'd love to get a 1921 one day
Great overview! Elisabeth I love the AP on your wrist. There are other brands making timepieces at the same level and standard as the holy trinity including A Lange & Sohne and independents like F.P. Journe.
Again, another great video! Lots of information and great pieces to illustrate your points! Keep it going!
Great place! I visited Ryan and Bill yesterday and walked out with two watches for a great deal (super thrilled. Thanks guys). Fair pricing. Fair trading policies. A real pleasurable experience all around.
Thanks for the feedback, it was a pleasure meeting you! We hope to see you in Scottsdale again soon
Lange makes the best movements and their finishing is unreal, IMO. They are horrible at marketing and branding, so they are often overlooked compared to the Holy Trinity. Their workmanship and quality is right up there with the big 3!
Don't totally agree with that. I do agree that their finishing is equal to the top three, but when it comes to movements I would say JLC make the best movements, and that's why AP, Patek and Vacheron have used them.
@@richardweir3342 very valid point! Speaking high horology, we need to also have Breguet in the conversation!!
@@kevinfehr8100 definitely agree with Breguet, a very classy brand.
In Lange's defense, its technically the holy trinity of swiss watchmaking. If it was just the trinity, then AP would be out and Lange would not just be in, it would hold the top spot inside the trinity.
Lange's workmanship and quality maybe even better! I do not own a Lange nor would I every buy on simply because they are so massive that they of little purpose as they should be used as ship chronometers. But whey is Lange even mentioned here since it would NEVER be ranked among this holy trinity only because it is of German origin - not Swiss. Unfortunately, like politics, marketing money rules in today's horology industry. I would hardly say that a new Patek is overrated but in many ways a Breguet is a better and nicer looking watch, and in just about every respect - the Patek is a nicer watch than the AP, where Vacheron can be in a league by its self, with Rolex remaining as the most practical.
I always thought Breguet, the developer of the TOURBILLON should be right up there with the trinity to make it a quadrinity (or maybe a tetrinity).
VC is the maison that embodies Greatness , classicism and integrity .
In my eyes , the most exclusive out of the holy trinity . We can observe than only powerful people are wearing it ( not looking to be aknowledged by randoms )
I have a few Breguets but I am not powerful.
@@matthewburden9403 watches are trivial objects so we can't be really powerful admiring such things .
Outside of it , Breguet are cheap
Great video Ryan & Elizabeth! Love the history intertwined. A must visit for any Timepiece Aficionado. They have a great selection and an extremely knowledgeable and professional staff. My Favorite Panerai Selection. Shoutout to My Main Man Ryan! 😎⌚️
We appreciate the kind words! Thanks for tuning in
Here because of Ruxin34, awesome box Ryan and keep crushing the watch game 🙌
Nice episode. I'd love to someday own either a vintage Calatrava or a vintage AP dress watch. Not a fan of the RO or the Nautilus. Cheers!
Both great choices!
Vacheron is the one for me
I like to add Jaeger LeCoutre. Have you guys ever seen their high end complications? Check out the Reverso Hybris Mechanica Calibre 185.
The Holy Trinity historical roots has always been confined to the Swiss Watch market. In my humble opinion, The Holy Trinity is an outdated branding excercise. With brands like FP Journe and A Lange & Sohnne, there are now many newcomers that rival these old school watch houses. To APs credit, nobody talks about their amazing catalogue other than their Royal Oak, which in many ways is the least amount of AP you can buy. AP minute repeaters and grand comps get zero attention.
Great video, keep making content.
Great content! Thanks!
No mention of A Lange & Sohne - C’mon 👊🏼⌚️
you fail to know what this holy trinity is - lang can NEVER be such a memeber
@8:40 the watch shown is not the VC57260, the watch with 57 complications tho
Love the video. You're pronouncing "Constantin" incorrectly. You're almost there with "Vacheron".
Yea! Right! Now stop Babbling over school girly crap.
@@matthewburden9403 Oh. Okay. Sorry.
Ryan is the man 💪🏼
We agree!
AP should be cut after those hideous comic book watches. Tell me with a straight face those are timeless.
Half of Patek’s output is ladies quartz watches. What does that tell you?? Many collectors will tell you that Lange and Journe are far better than Patek.
A Lange and Sohne are equal to the top three, but not better. FP Jorne are also good but I think their designs are way off what people want and if they where not pushed so hard by Matchbox, they would not be even mentioned.
When I think of quintessential Patek, I think of perpetual calendar chronographs.
Fair!
@@WatchesbyOliverSmithJeweler good thinking
Breguet and JLC should be up there too :(
Breguet in many ways is a better watch but it can not because it is French origin.
Great job 👍👍👍
Patek Philippe, Audemars Piguet and Vacheron Constantin may be the Holy trinity but the Casio F-91W is the Supreme Being.
no argument there
BREGUET! ! ! ! They should not be in the trinity, BREGUET Vader voice " Is their father!" T)
Why Does AP get regarded in the Holy Trinity when all they have is the RO? They literally have no other independent model lines outside of the RO that people want. One Trick Pony!
Marketing - - - does this answer your question?
Patek Philippe's movements are rivaled by A. Lange & Söhne. IMHO A. Lange & Söhne even makes the better movements! As a Swiss I have to admit this fact!
It doesn't change the holy trinity because this is only about Swiss watches. Swatch group even claims that Blancpain stays the oldest brand in the world! And it's amazing to note that Blancpain never made quartz watches. Even the Blancpain x Swatch watches use System 51 - the automatic movement by Swatch! 😇
But would you really want to wear a big-ass thing of A. Lange? I wouldn't!
You have to keep Rolex in there but I also understand having Vasch Constantine in there as it’s also right on that list. Maybe it shouldn’t be a trinity but a quaternity and that wood solve it
Rolex can never be in the holy trinity for the reasons that where mentioned, there finishing is machined and not done by hand
Rolex is in a separate tier with brands like Omega, Glashutte Original, Grand Seiko, and Zenith.
Trinity swiss watches are like rolls royce, even if you have enough money you can’t buy it or you have to wait in a queue for it(Plus they are mostly handmade and complex watches). While rolex is like mercedes, if you have money you can order one(They are mostly fabricated and simpler).
@emphasis20
Uh no. Omega isn't better than Rolex on ANY level and whike Glas may have better movement overall its not as durable or well made as Rolex
Rolex isn't Rolex because of marketing my man, it a damn good watch.
SMDH
FBA/B1
@@richardweir3342 that aint the reason dude - - Rolex was founded in London and not Switzerland. This Duo do not know what they are talking about other than marketing expensive watches.
Vc It's my favorite
The holy trinity is Rolex, Omega & TAG
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Vacheron Constantin
Lange & Söhne make really nice watches, too. But they are German. So better to say it is Swiss Trinity.
you make no sense at all -- German --- Swiss Trinity?
@@matthewburden9403why not? Swiss trinity is only with Swiss watches. If you take all watches then you have to put Lange & Söhne into the trinity.
VC
You said a lot about each of these fine watchmakers but like politicians you said nothing. The so-called Holy Trinity of Watch Makers refers ONLY to those watch makers who founded their companies in Switzerland, which you fail to mention. Many argue that Breguet (which may be a better timepiece than any you mentioned herewith) can NEVER be among this trinity since Breguet founded his company in France - and should always be considered a French establishment, similarly to Rolex, which was founded in England, and of course Lange is German.
MISS YOU TALK TO MUCH, PLS BE QUIETER
Rolex is a brand for people that don't know watch....it's like owning a Honda and claim it's a race car
Honda have made some of the greatest and most successful engines in the history of motor racing. They've supplies engines to Formula 1, MotoGp, IndyCar, world touring car and world sports car among others. Your analogy is crap.
@@asensibleyoungman2978 my analogy is fine....Honda makes a good motor just like Rolex makes a good watch...
but both companies are crap compare to the bigger brands.
@@ultimatedouchebag6760 They are superior to bigger brands. Try using a Ferrari every day. It'll break and cost you hundreds of thousands to keep running. They're just poorly engineered mobile trinkets. Honda make the most reliable engines in the world plus they have made motor racing engines that have beaten the likes of Ferrari. You clearly know nothing about engines. No motorsport guy, mechanic or enthusiast would ever describe Honda as crap.
@@ultimatedouchebag6760
No dude, you don't know watches. Nor cars obviously!!!!!!
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FBA/B1
You do not know what you are talking about, at least when it comes to horology - any Rolex chronometer used with a sextant and almanacs is made for and capable of locating and navigating a person to any place on earth. I don't know about you but I would rather have a Honda than just about any race car.