That was the brown fountain pen ink comparison I needed today. I could watch you draw faces all day long, Marc. Thank you so much for all your tutorials
Great video! Valuable information and beautiful drawings! Thank you! I love the Rohrer und Klingner Sketch Inks a lot, because they dry waterproof and have the perfect flow in a pen for sketching. "Jule" is a reddish brown and makes beautifully warm sketches. For cooler atmospheres I use "Frieda", a blue-grey.
Fabulously informative video. What excites me is how you use the wash layer to inspire drawings that are so lively and fresh. Every one of your videos and workshops has helped me stretch my practice.
....and here's the Brown Ink Comparison video! YAY! Your discussion of archival/non archival inks is appreciated - I've been wondering about that. Watercolor artists can get fanatical about lightfastness in their pigments, so it's been interesting to find the pen and ink community not often discussing lightfastness of inks. Great to see how you work with Document Brown so that a bland, work-a-day ink appears dramatic, and I am going to be trying the white waxy colored pencil underlayer technique for highlights. Thanks for keeping us well-informed about pen and ink materials and techniques! Your grey ink video is a favorite, and now it has a worthy companion.
@@spinningchester6481 my pleasure. I try to bridge the gap between the fountain pen world and the art materials word, but if fountain pens are going to become more popular with artists, ink manufacturers need to become more upfront about their ink formulations, and whether they are archival
@@mkompan - I whole-heartedly agree. I checked out some watercolor books from the public library, and found man of them recommending alizarin crimson, aureolin, and prussian blue as the basic primaries on a palette. One author had examples of their work in that palette that they had sold. I checked the copyright on that book - 1983 - and the other books were all published before 1995. If those original pieces of artwork were displayed on a wall opposite a sunny window without UV filtering glass (which wasn't really a thing in the 1980's) - there isn't much left of those artworks to see now. I wasn't paying attention to pigments in the 1990's and 2000's, but I bet the fanaticism of the watercolor community comes from many angry customers returning expensive vibrant watercolors that had turned pale and grey. My interest in fountain pens filled with ink comes from a desire to get a variety of tones in a limited palette by only carrying a couple of pens. Sure - I have an awesome very compact travel watercolor kit with a limited, highly lightfast palette. Part of being good at watercolor is knowing your palette very well, and that means keeping the palette limited and being a great mixer. My limited palette is ASTM I and II lightfast and my preparatory sketches are prepared with the same pigments as my final artwork - I know how the pigments will work together in the final piece from lessons learned in my sketches, and I never have to worry if someone asks if I will sell them a preparatory sketch. As you know - a couple of fountain pens with mildly water-resistant inks can give water-color effects with a variety of line qualities while solving so many problems of using a watercolor travel palette. But if the inks aren't lightfast.... well, using those inks in a final artwork to offer for sale may come back to bite me later. Dunno. I've got some more research to do on inks before creating original works to sell. Only use fountain pen drawings for scanning and selling prints? Perhaps a UV-filtering spray fixative on original works to sell? A note on the back of my artwork that this artwork was made with ink that may not be archival and needs to be placed behind UV-filtering glass and out of direct sunlight? Should I be creating ink test swatches to leave in sunny windows for a year? So thanks for getting the conversation going, and if anyone in ink development contacts you on this topic, please tell them that you know of at least one customer that wants archival inks with rich color properties and medium water-resistance. To catch the attention of artists selling works professionally, all ink manufacturers need to offer archival lines of fountain pen inks.
Thank you for an interesting review!Another nice brown ink is Lie de the by Herbin, it also splits up into various interesting shades when used in washes
so touching, how you brought in that yellow ochre light in the r&k sepia portrait. that was pure magic. what a visually stunning and perfectly organised film. i'm already on my third watching. thank you✨
Quite the virtuoso demonstration, thank you. I've a liking for walnut ink made from Vandyke crystals, mostly because it's ludicrously cheap - but that's emphatically for dip pen only. It gives impressively tight hairlines on well sized paper if you get the dilution just right.
Marc it's also quite dark in your studio. My word I love sepia as a colour and though not brown or relevant here indigo is a tremendously useful and powerful colour/pigment. Thanks for your interesting and thought provoking video.
WOW !! That's a visual treat -- just in time for the holidays. 😊. Always had a nostalgia about brown inks. Ty for this demo. You are just brilliant. Never thought of using bleach or the eraser. Love love love all the techniques. ❤
The first sepia is lovely, the rest are mostly too warm for me. The R&K might be nice as a writing ink but I want very water resistant ink for sketching. I use the document ink for line and wash sketch because i just can’t cope with black. If I’m using a dip pen for sketching i’m more likely to go with a brown acrylic ink. I know that won’t move me.
Great video!! I love brown inks and have Terre De Feu, but have not used it for sketching (yet). My favorite ink for sketching is Faber Castell Cobalt. This ink is well behaved on paper, including adding water to it on Tomoe River paper. It can separate into lovely aqua and pink hues depending on the paper. Would you consider making a video on your favorite blue inks for drawing and sketching?
Thank you! I’ll take a look at the Faber Castell Cobalt. I live blue ink, but don’t use them all that much for drawing. I sometimes use Pilot Iroshizuku Asa-gao. It’s such a lovely color.
Hi and many thanks for a fascinating video. I'm a huge fan of de atrementis document inks and have the other four shades of brown they do, which are excellent too. Also all these inks are intermixable and there is an ink thinner which allows dilution without losing its archival/waterproof qualities. So there is endless fun to be had there as long as one keeps records of mixes and quantities. (Guess how I found that one out ?)
You're most welcome! De Atramentis is a fantastic company, and I have a number of waterproof inks from them. I haven't thought about mixing them however (other than through layering). I'll have to try it.
Nice collection of Brown/Sepia inks and paintings/drawings. I am a little bit of a sucker for Sepia inks. One more to add to your collection (that personally I find interesting) if you ever get the chance - Platinum Ultra Pigment Brun Sepia.
Thesse comparison videos that you shared with us are a joy to watch! Though, I don't have as nearly as many types of ink as you do, yet I don't know what does what and which is which. How do you keep track of what is what? Do you have an archive of what ink does what? Like a notebook of some sorts? If so, any recommendation as how you keep them? paper, type of notebook, system of testing, etc...Looks to me that you have many pens inked up at a time, and many of those pens with ink that requires a flushing every 3 months, what's your routine? BTW, your videos has improved vastly compared to the earlier ones. Very professionally done especially the voice over, format and the way your pronounce different brands. Never knew that was how you suppose to say them! Though many of the ink in this video are not archival quality, your videos are archival quality to me! Thanks for putting so much effort into your videos, Marc.
I'd like to mention a brown ink that may be overlooked due to its unfortunate name: Noodler's Red-Black. I've heard that the name exactly represents its formulation, which is exactly Noodler's Red mixed with Noodler's Black. The rsulting color is a very central brown, not leaning towards yellow, orange, or black. Quite useful. After pooh-poohing others for being cautious with inks put in their fancier pens, I find myself doing the exact same thing. My KoP has become so precious to me that I feel the need to baby it. This is the one pen I don't put permament inks in, choosing to stick with Sailor inks, specifically 680, which is a very dark, near black shade of brown.
If I had a KOP, I would be cautious too, But so long as pen cleans well, I don't think you have to live in fear. My Pilot 743 and 823 get filled with Carbon ink all the time.
thx so much, Mark .. this was really fascinating !! the deatramentis is a staple for me, as it's one of the few inks that truly is waterproof ( i do a lot of urban sketching , coffee shop sketching, etc) and need a reliable waterproof ink .. I'm also enjoying a rohrer and klinger sketch ink , which is also waterproof ., thx again .. Norakag , here👍👍
Thanks, Marc. That's a great review of the inks, and the bleach trick is certainly worth a try. Have you tried Noodler's #41 Bulletproof Brown ? I can't find the standard brown in the UK but #41 is available. I normally use roughly an 80:20 mix of Diamine Saddle Brown and Ochre, but I'd like something with a bit more water resistance. Thanks again for a great review 🙂
@@daveh3339 my pleasure! I almost bought Noodler’s Brown 41 for this review, but decided to go only with ink I have been using for some time, as opposed to showing an ink I’m not familiar with.
@@mkompanMaybe I’ll see if Santa is taking last-minute requests and get a bottle of #41. Thank you for all of your videos throughout 2024. I wish you and your family a happy and peaceful Christmas, and a successful 2025.
Hi Marc! The ink with the most accurate Sepia color hue is that of the Rohrer and Klingner one. The others are just B. Sienna browns and you can't consider them as Sepia browns.
@creativecolours2022 Sepia is an organic product and there seems to be quite a bit of variation to it. I’ve seen sepia in a variety of shades, some more brown, some more yellow, some more grey. Furthermore this ink undergoes color changes with time, so we don’t know what the original color was. I think It’s best not to worry if the color is authentic. Just choose a color you enjoy.
@@mkompan No objections on regard of enjoying different colours! :) I've just wanted to point out that Rohrer and Klingner has manage to replicate the exact hue of what is called Sepia colour as Sepia is a very specific hue of brown color. Organic Sepia is a dark grayish "dirty" brown. The variation of the colour comes from the vinegar that they used to add back in the old days as a conservative when they didn't have synthetic colours. So when we talk nowadays about Sepia colour we talk about this exact grayish, cool dark brown and not the warmer, or reddish or lighter or not grayish browns that the majority of manufacturers name Sepia. So kudos to Rohrer and Klingner for offering an accurate old school synthetic replacement of original Sepia colour. If you want to paint with a Sepia similar to that of the Old Masters, then go for the ROhrer and Klingner one. (and no I'm not affiliated to them! )
@creativecolours2022 Perhaps we’re talking about two different things? Traditional sepia was made from the the ink of cuttlefish and comes in a variety of browns. This is why we see such a range in color in old master drawings done with sepia ink. Are you talking about the color of old photographs, which is the result of a preservative treatment?
@@mkompan No. I was talking about the cuttlefish ink hue ( that is called Sepia because the Greek word for cuttlefish is Soupia - Σουπιά) that Rohrer and Klingner manage to replicate so accurately in its synthetic version. The reason why there are variations of the Sepia colour on the old master's drawings is because the original cuttlefish ink, as an organic ink, is not lightfast and permanent and also needs a preservative. The preservative was vinegar that interacted with the surface of the paper and gave those different hues. The cuttlefish ink though itself has this brown grayish colour and it smells... what else... like fish! It stinks actually. I'm saying that because I was experimenting at some point with organic inks and I made Sepia ink following an old recipe, I mean I bought cuttlefish and removed the ink from their sack and mixed it with vinegar. The final result was an ink that had the colour of the Rohrer and Klingner ink, that when it was mixed with water gave that yellowish tints. The organic cuttlefish is not waterproof either, so you don't need bleach in order to get the yellowish tints. Old photographs now were tinted with a chemical procedure during the development of the photo. That didn't have something to do with Sepia ink. I want to mention also that is not very wise to use bleach on your paper in order to change the colour of permanent inks. Better use peroxide but not bleach because bleach will destroy completely your paper in the long run. It will dissolve it to say so, it will turn the paper first brown and then it will make it brittle in the area that you applied it, because bleach increases the paper's PH. It is the exact problem that all low quality wood pulp papers have, because in order to whiten the otherwise brownish wood pulp manufacturers go for the cheaper and easier way (that is catastrophic for the paper). They add bleach in the mix. P.s I want to apologize if my comments seem a bit incomprehensible. English is not my first language and I don't use English in my everyday life, so sometimes I'm loosing it in the translation! I'm trying my best though.
@creativecolours2022 thanks for your clarification! I was confused by your comment since we see samples of old master sepia drawings with yellow and red tints to them. I guess I’m wondering whether that’s also due to natural color variations in the ink, and the way it was processed. And of course you’re right that using bleach is not archival, and this is something I mention in the video. However, it is a fun technique that you can use on work meant for reproduction, which is why it was popular with animators.
That was the brown fountain pen ink comparison I needed today. I could watch you draw faces all day long, Marc. Thank you so much for all your tutorials
My pleasure! Glad this video came along at just the right time for you.
And now a demo of Brown ink and Grey wash in landscape drawing! Also a classic! Thank you and best wishes for 2025!
Thank you! That’s on the list of upcoming videos! I was planning on doing a copy of a Claude Lorraine.
Great video! Valuable information and beautiful drawings! Thank you!
I love the Rohrer und Klingner Sketch Inks a lot, because they dry waterproof and have the perfect flow in a pen for sketching. "Jule" is a reddish brown and makes beautifully warm sketches. For cooler atmospheres I use "Frieda", a blue-grey.
@@anjapinkau3737 my pleasure! I actually haven’t tried any of the R&K sketch inks. Will get some soon.
so touching, how you brought in that yellow ochre light in the r&k sepia portrait.
that was simply pure magic
@@magdalenaholt2967 that was a lovely discovery. I’m happy you enjoyed it.
Love the sea monsters! Great video, currently looking for a brown ink for drawing, so this is perfect
Thanks so much!
Fabulously informative video. What excites me is how you use the wash layer to inspire drawings that are so lively and fresh. Every one of your videos and workshops has helped me stretch my practice.
Thank you very much Sharon!
....and here's the Brown Ink Comparison video! YAY! Your discussion of archival/non archival inks is appreciated - I've been wondering about that. Watercolor artists can get fanatical about lightfastness in their pigments, so it's been interesting to find the pen and ink community not often discussing lightfastness of inks. Great to see how you work with Document Brown so that a bland, work-a-day ink appears dramatic, and I am going to be trying the white waxy colored pencil underlayer technique for highlights. Thanks for keeping us well-informed about pen and ink materials and techniques! Your grey ink video is a favorite, and now it has a worthy companion.
@@spinningchester6481 my pleasure. I try to bridge the gap between the fountain pen world and the art materials word, but if fountain pens are going to become more popular with artists, ink manufacturers need to become more upfront about their ink formulations, and whether they are archival
@@mkompan - I whole-heartedly agree. I checked out some watercolor books from the public library, and found man of them recommending alizarin crimson, aureolin, and prussian blue as the basic primaries on a palette. One author had examples of their work in that palette that they had sold. I checked the copyright on that book - 1983 - and the other books were all published before 1995. If those original pieces of artwork were displayed on a wall opposite a sunny window without UV filtering glass (which wasn't really a thing in the 1980's) - there isn't much left of those artworks to see now. I wasn't paying attention to pigments in the 1990's and 2000's, but I bet the fanaticism of the watercolor community comes from many angry customers returning expensive vibrant watercolors that had turned pale and grey. My interest in fountain pens filled with ink comes from a desire to get a variety of tones in a limited palette by only carrying a couple of pens. Sure - I have an awesome very compact travel watercolor kit with a limited, highly lightfast palette. Part of being good at watercolor is knowing your palette very well, and that means keeping the palette limited and being a great mixer. My limited palette is ASTM I and II lightfast and my preparatory sketches are prepared with the same pigments as my final artwork - I know how the pigments will work together in the final piece from lessons learned in my sketches, and I never have to worry if someone asks if I will sell them a preparatory sketch. As you know - a couple of fountain pens with mildly water-resistant inks can give water-color effects with a variety of line qualities while solving so many problems of using a watercolor travel palette. But if the inks aren't lightfast.... well, using those inks in a final artwork to offer for sale may come back to bite me later. Dunno. I've got some more research to do on inks before creating original works to sell. Only use fountain pen drawings for scanning and selling prints? Perhaps a UV-filtering spray fixative on original works to sell? A note on the back of my artwork that this artwork was made with ink that may not be archival and needs to be placed behind UV-filtering glass and out of direct sunlight? Should I be creating ink test swatches to leave in sunny windows for a year? So thanks for getting the conversation going, and if anyone in ink development contacts you on this topic, please tell them that you know of at least one customer that wants archival inks with rich color properties and medium water-resistance. To catch the attention of artists selling works professionally, all ink manufacturers need to offer archival lines of fountain pen inks.
What took the algorithm so long!!! Great stuff Sir, This is the type of channel us amateurs Looooove!!!
Well, glad it finally reached you!Thanks for watching and enjoying.
WOW-the depth of your techniques/knowledge!
Thank you!
Thanks, great vid. I use Noodlers Polar Brown for sketching. Its waterproof properties allow for watercolor washes.
My pleasure! I’m almost bought Olar brown just for this review. I’ve heard good things about it, and will have to try it soon.
Thank you for an interesting review!Another nice brown ink is Lie de the by Herbin, it also splits up into various interesting shades when used in washes
You're welcome, and thank you for the tip!
For me your channel is the most informative for fountain pen ink please keep it up color verse has a brown called coffee break I like it a lot
@@TheNick-k9m thank you! I’ll look into this Coffee Break ink.
Wow! I discovered a world! I admire your work and love your language too. A technical and sensitive review on inks colors
@@francesca8325 thank you!
so touching, how you brought in that yellow ochre light in the r&k sepia portrait.
that was pure magic.
what a visually stunning and perfectly organised film.
i'm already on my third watching.
thank you✨
@@magdalenaholt2967 thank you. Happy to share them.
This was a fantastic show of out of the box techniques! Thank you Marc.
@@azerilla1 thank you! Happy to share them.
Quite the virtuoso demonstration, thank you. I've a liking for walnut ink made from Vandyke crystals, mostly because it's ludicrously cheap - but that's emphatically for dip pen only. It gives impressively tight hairlines on well sized paper if you get the dilution just right.
@@GenWivern2 interesting, using a woodstaining product as ink! I assume you need to add a binder such as gum Arabic or shellac to make it work.
@@mkompan Just water at room temperature works fine. I got through quite a lot of the stuff learning to write passable Spencerian!
@ super interesting. Will order some!
Me encantó!! Eres sabio , investigas... gracias!!!!!!
@@miguelcarreroquesada2728 es un placer, Miguel!
Marc it's also quite dark in your studio. My word I love sepia as a colour and though not brown or relevant here indigo is a tremendously useful and powerful colour/pigment. Thanks for your interesting and thought provoking video.
@JezIpadski my pleasure! It’s only dark when filming, for dramatic effect ( and to obscure the mess). :)
@@mkompan 😄
WOW !! That's a visual treat -- just in time for the holidays. 😊. Always had a nostalgia about brown inks. Ty for this demo. You are just brilliant. Never thought of using bleach or the eraser. Love love love all the techniques. ❤
You're very welcome! Glad you liked the techniques.
Thanks for the video Marc!! my current brown now is Platinum Pigment Brun Sepia. The ink isn’t even sepia but a lovely chocolate brown 🥰🥰
My pleasure! I love Platinum inks, and will put this one on my wish list.
Thank you for the amazing insight. Lovely video
@@alexandrerodriguesdesouza8255 you’re very welcome!
This was wonderful. Just what I was looking for. Bless you. A thousand thanks.
@@veronicavleck1704 my pleasure! That’s very kind of you to say.
The first sepia is lovely, the rest are mostly too warm for me. The R&K might be nice as a writing ink but I want very water resistant ink for sketching. I use the document ink for line and wash sketch because i just can’t cope with black. If I’m using a dip pen for sketching i’m more likely to go with a brown acrylic ink. I know that won’t move me.
Love your videos!❤ Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!
Thank you! Best holiday wishes in return.
positively stunning. mesmerising. thank you.
@@magdalenaholt2967 my pleasure! Thank you for the kind compliments.
Amazing video, amazing talent.
Thank you!
Great video!! I love brown inks and have Terre De Feu, but have not used it for sketching (yet). My favorite ink for sketching is Faber Castell Cobalt. This ink is well behaved on paper, including adding water to it on Tomoe River paper. It can separate into lovely aqua and pink hues depending on the paper. Would you consider making a video on your favorite blue inks for drawing and sketching?
Thank you! I’ll take a look at the Faber Castell Cobalt. I live blue ink, but don’t use them all that much for drawing. I sometimes use Pilot Iroshizuku Asa-gao. It’s such a lovely color.
Hi and many thanks for a fascinating video. I'm a huge fan of de atrementis document inks and have the other four shades of brown they do, which are excellent too. Also all these inks are intermixable and there is an ink thinner which allows dilution without losing its archival/waterproof qualities. So there is endless fun to be had there as long as one keeps records of mixes and quantities. (Guess how I found that one out ?)
You're most welcome! De Atramentis is a fantastic company, and I have a number of waterproof inks from them. I haven't thought about mixing them however (other than through layering). I'll have to try it.
Nice collection of Brown/Sepia inks and paintings/drawings. I am a little bit of a sucker for Sepia inks.
One more to add to your collection (that personally I find interesting) if you ever get the chance - Platinum Ultra Pigment Brun Sepia.
Thanks! I love Platinum inks and will have to try their Sepia. I watch your channel frequently and it's great!
@@mkompan Pleasantly surprised to read you have been watching my channel - thank you Marc! 💗
Thesse comparison videos that you shared with us are a joy to watch! Though, I don't have as nearly as many types of ink as you do, yet I don't know what does what and which is which. How do you keep track of what is what? Do you have an archive of what ink does what? Like a notebook of some sorts? If so, any recommendation as how you keep them? paper, type of notebook, system of testing, etc...Looks to me that you have many pens inked up at a time, and many of those pens with ink that requires a flushing every 3 months, what's your routine? BTW, your videos has improved vastly compared to the earlier ones. Very professionally done especially the voice over, format and the way your pronounce different brands. Never knew that was how you suppose to say them! Though many of the ink in this video are not archival quality, your videos are archival quality to me! Thanks for putting so much effort into your videos, Marc.
I'd like to mention a brown ink that may be overlooked due to its unfortunate name: Noodler's Red-Black. I've heard that the name exactly represents its formulation, which is exactly Noodler's Red mixed with Noodler's Black. The rsulting color is a very central brown, not leaning towards yellow, orange, or black. Quite useful.
After pooh-poohing others for being cautious with inks put in their fancier pens, I find myself doing the exact same thing. My KoP has become so precious to me that I feel the need to baby it. This is the one pen I don't put permament inks in, choosing to stick with Sailor inks, specifically 680, which is a very dark, near black shade of brown.
If I had a KOP, I would be cautious too, But so long as pen cleans well, I don't think you have to live in fear. My Pilot 743 and 823 get filled with Carbon ink all the time.
Thank you for your very interesting video! I did not understand what you put on the last ink to turn it into yellow ochre ? Thank you very much 🙏
thx so much, Mark .. this was really fascinating !! the deatramentis is a staple for me, as it's one of the few inks that truly is waterproof ( i do a lot of urban sketching , coffee shop sketching, etc) and need a reliable waterproof ink .. I'm also enjoying a rohrer and klinger sketch ink , which is also waterproof ., thx again .. Norakag , here👍👍
You're very welcome! I actually haven't tried R&K sketch ink. Will get some soon!
Delightful!
@@effy2848 thank you!
Thank you so much for the bleach technique... however iam also curious about does it devolve the paper overtime?
You’re welcome! This technique is definitely not archival, but I really don’t know what will happen to the paper over time.
Thanks, Marc. That's a great review of the inks, and the bleach trick is certainly worth a try.
Have you tried Noodler's #41 Bulletproof Brown ? I can't find the standard brown in the UK but #41 is available. I normally use roughly an 80:20 mix of Diamine Saddle Brown and Ochre, but I'd like something with a bit more water resistance.
Thanks again for a great review 🙂
@@daveh3339 my pleasure! I almost bought Noodler’s Brown 41 for this review, but decided to go only with ink I have been using for some time, as opposed to showing an ink I’m not familiar with.
@@mkompanMaybe I’ll see if Santa is taking last-minute requests and get a bottle of #41. Thank you for all of your videos throughout 2024. I wish you and your family a happy and peaceful Christmas, and a successful 2025.
Hi Marc!
The ink with the most accurate Sepia color hue is that of the Rohrer and Klingner one. The others are just B. Sienna browns and you can't consider them as Sepia browns.
@creativecolours2022 Sepia is an organic product and there seems to be quite a bit of variation to it. I’ve seen sepia in a variety of shades, some more brown, some more yellow, some more grey. Furthermore this ink undergoes color changes with time, so we don’t know what the original color was. I think It’s best not to worry if the color is authentic. Just choose a color you enjoy.
@@mkompan No objections on regard of enjoying different colours! :)
I've just wanted to point out that Rohrer and Klingner has manage to replicate the exact hue of what is called Sepia colour as Sepia is a very specific hue of brown color. Organic Sepia is a dark grayish "dirty" brown. The variation of the colour comes from the vinegar that they used to add back in the old days as a conservative when they didn't have synthetic colours. So when we talk nowadays about Sepia colour we talk about this exact grayish, cool dark brown and not the warmer, or reddish or lighter or not grayish browns that the majority of manufacturers name Sepia.
So kudos to Rohrer and Klingner for offering an accurate old school synthetic replacement of original Sepia colour. If you want to paint with a Sepia similar to that of the Old Masters, then go for the ROhrer and Klingner one. (and no I'm not affiliated to them! )
@creativecolours2022 Perhaps we’re talking about two different things? Traditional sepia was made from the the ink of cuttlefish and comes in a variety of browns. This is why we see such a range in color in old master drawings done with sepia ink. Are you talking about the color of old photographs, which is the result of a preservative treatment?
@@mkompan No. I was talking about the cuttlefish ink hue ( that is called Sepia because the Greek word for cuttlefish is Soupia - Σουπιά) that Rohrer and Klingner manage to replicate so accurately in its synthetic version. The reason why there are variations of the Sepia colour on the old master's drawings is because the original cuttlefish ink, as an organic ink, is not lightfast and permanent and also needs a preservative. The preservative was vinegar that interacted with the surface of the paper and gave those different hues.
The cuttlefish ink though itself has this brown grayish colour and it smells... what else... like fish! It stinks actually.
I'm saying that because I was experimenting at some point with organic inks and I made Sepia ink following an old recipe, I mean I bought cuttlefish and removed the ink from their sack and mixed it with vinegar. The final result was an ink that had the colour of the Rohrer and Klingner ink, that when it was mixed with water gave that yellowish tints.
The organic cuttlefish is not waterproof either, so you don't need bleach in order to get the yellowish tints.
Old photographs now were tinted with a chemical procedure during the development of the photo. That didn't have something to do with Sepia ink.
I want to mention also that is not very wise to use bleach on your paper in order to change the colour of permanent inks. Better use peroxide but not bleach because bleach will destroy completely your paper in the long run. It will dissolve it to say so, it will turn the paper first brown and then it will make it brittle in the area that you applied it, because bleach increases the paper's PH.
It is the exact problem that all low quality wood pulp papers have, because in order to whiten the otherwise brownish wood pulp manufacturers go for the cheaper and easier way (that is catastrophic for the paper). They add bleach in the mix.
P.s I want to apologize if my comments seem a bit incomprehensible. English is not my first language and I don't use English in my everyday life, so sometimes I'm loosing it in the translation! I'm trying my best though.
@creativecolours2022 thanks for your clarification! I was confused by your comment since we see samples of old master sepia drawings with yellow and red tints to them. I guess I’m wondering whether that’s also due to natural color variations in the ink, and the way it was processed. And of course you’re right that using bleach is not archival, and this is something I mention in the video. However, it is a fun technique that you can use on work meant for reproduction, which is why it was popular with animators.
P.S I wish you a lovely Christmas and all the best for the New Year.
@@veronicavleck1704 thank you! Best holiday wishes in return.
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Is bleach acidic ?
it's actually the opposite, highly alkaline.
I will check. If aliki that's great !