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For those that are unsure of why these comments / jokes are disrespectful: Shoto is an independent vtuber. He built his platform from the ground up. He has also mentioned that in the past, he was about to audition for Nijisanji before, but decided against it at the last minute because he wanted to continue being independent and maintain his identity as Shoto. Saying that he's NJSJ EN virtually erases the hard work he made as an indie and says his fame comes from being good friends with the EN members. Also it's annoying to bring him up out of nowhere because it breaks most, if not all, livers' rules about not mentioning livers or topics unrelated to the stream.
And no, it's not the same as the jokes about Oliver-sensei or Mika being part of EN because they're ACTUALLY part of Nijisanji.
Thank you for the explaination, Jun. I don't follow him much so I was confused
To clarify, Shoto was a PNGtuber and he decided to become a Vtuber on October 2nd, 2021. Mika was formally part of Nijisanji ID until the merge happened on April 15th, 2022. Oliver has always been in the Japanese branch. You can view Shoto as an Honorary NijiEN member, but he is NOT part of NijiEN and never will be. Similarly, The "X are part of NijiEN" jokes has been getting old at this point.
Indeed
im pretty sure this is against my comment?? (no hate) but yeah! shoto did made his own platform, to sum it up.. i address this as "annoying" in a good way in a sense that people recognize him as a part of the niji fam bcs they compliment well to each other, shoto is a luxiem etc due to interactions while prof is in lazulight,en etc bcs of his engrish, i'm not into abt their platform whereabouts (prof orig in niji, shoto as indie) i just think they have the same "you're trapped here forever" vibes.. if that made sense..
Plss dont come at me😭 i just find this a bit welcoming and cutee..😭
@@NeopoliSan1111 No, it wasn’t against your comment. This is just a general explanation for people who do not know who Shoto is nor why calling him a part of EN is seen as disrespectful.
mysta's actually great when it comes to addressing serious things, straightforward without making things too awkward. it's unfortunate he has to clarify something so obvious though
I love how mysta directly address things like this. There's no hesitation when he starts talking about serious matters.
Shoto, Honorary Member.
No, he's just a Friend. End of Story.
Thank you
yeah
True, it's disrespectful too for shoto cause he's been working so hard without any company promoting him.
Preech
Hanomori member
Actually
I always love how Mysta doesn't even try to baby anyone. He's such a no-bullshit kind of person and I just love that. It's incredibly needed in any environment.
It’s so obvious too, I don’t know how people can’t take a hint
This is exactly why I decided to rename my compilations to "Nijisanji EN and Friends", since I was including Shoto and other indies and livers from other branches in practically every video, and I was seeing a lot of comments like that. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate everyone who comments of my clips, it's my fault for not doing that from the beginning and passively helping spread this joke further. Finana also talked about this a while ago during one of her zatsudans btw, though in a more low-key way.
I understood perfectly at the beginning that Shoto was not part of either EN or JP it's really annoying when people pressure him to be from EN or even Luxiem, I don't particularly care if he's from EN or not he's still one of my favorites VTubers
(Does Shoto play just for fun and to amuse others? It's really a question of mine I've always had this curiosity but I feel they would curse me if I asked it's quite common for my country to do this I don't know if they would or not but I really don't want to risk it )
I'm sorry I'm bad at writing in English I'll use the translator and pray that it translates right :(
Ehhh well, first. The English here w/ the translator is great. Also shoto streams as a job. He plays not for fun since it’s his job. So yea.
But he does play just to have fun w/ his fans and friends.
@@hvartfallsOh yes thank you, looking at it now it looks stupid it was already kind of in my face I'm just really dumb Thanks again
Hello, your english is good, keep learning, and about Shoto,yes he plays for fun, he's the one who make his schedule and chose the games he'll play in the week
I'm so annoyed of people keep telling and pushing that he should be part of luxiem or EN. Disrespectful. 😒
Am not part of that but how is it disrespectful?
@@mintosnake4290 Shoto is very proud of himself for making it as an independent liver. Saying he should be a part of EN is disregarding his efforts.
@@MinminYing I mean it could also be praise, like if you compare a indie game to a AAA game you be happy right, and there are many indies that are a little rough.
I'm just thinking out loud and still agree but I think its also about _peRspecTive_
@@yuriusutr7284 the problem isn't it even that, like you said an indie to an AAA regarded as equals is very good for the indie game...thing is when people say 'oh he is part of nijisanji' or 'part of luxiem' it might come across as him disregarding the whole process of applying to the company and that he got his 'fame' for being friends with them ya know?
Because just by numbers, it's easier to come across anyone of nijisanji that is a LOT of people than Shoto who just do his own thing being independent.
Shoto worked hard a lot and even though he is very good friends with Nijisanji people, saying he is part of them is disregarding his work as well insinuating he 'sucked up' to them to be in Nijisanji or Luxiem ya know.
@@yuriusutr7284 but being a corporate VTuber does not mean they are already better, the scale is not linear and I think does not work for the analogy. Shoto can probably choose to get absorbed into an agency any minute, as what ironmouse and other indies did.
As much as I appreciate looking at things from different perspectives, this time the "other side" just feels like juvenile fans who want to insert their favorite "character" to everything all the time. And I'm not gonna lie, this fan behavior has driven me away from looking into shoto's content, despite my initial interest-- I simply wouldn't want to be associated with it.
Yes, this is disrespectful to both sides first nijisanji en is a team and shoto isn’t a member…second shoto worked so hard by himself you can’t say he’s a part of nijisanji en when he doesn’t want to be and he said that!
...You know, this is absolutely true. I think there might've been points where even I've said "Shoto is basically an honourary member of Niji EN at this point", but even though I was never serious, I still feel like I shouldn't say that again. He's gotten where he is completely on his own, and as his fan, I can and should respect that.
(Edit: Just so we're clear, I've never thought for a second that he SHOULD be in Nijisanji, but I still feel bad about my joking around)
Same tho. i never said this in chats bc i mostly just lurk in streams but i have made jokes in the past in yt clips and with other nijisanji fans/friends, smth among the lines of "Not Shoto being accidentally adopted/kidnapped by nijisanji", not bc i thought shoto only got popular by collabing with nijisanji but bc I thought it was wholesome how well he's vibing with them wo well (and how hilarious/crack it is that he's being corrupted by them and gets involved with their shenanigans). Even if my intentions behind the joke was different, probably best to not really bring it up anymore
@@tyronetalam8488 Your reasoning was the exact same as mine! However, looking back, I can totally see why hearing that over and over again must be annoying for him. At least it's been brought to our attention, now
I remember reading that the stream after he addressed that he wasn’t apart of niji again and thought it was pretty disrespectful glad you cleared it up!
To me its like Shoto is that outside "friend is like family" older brother for Luxiem since I'm pretty sure he started streaming before Luxiem. He's close to them, kinda like how some friends are close enough to be considered family but aren't actually family so to speak.
He did it all on his own before he met NijiEN, but a lot still can't help but think of him when they think of Luxiem. Even I like to jokingly think he's like the honorary member, the person who isn't actually a member but is always around because everyone loves him, as they should.
@@xxnelliexx God, I still feel bad...if you wouldn't mind, could you please link me the stream I wrote that so that I can delete that comment?
(I would also like to briefly mention that I never saw the stream where Shoto addressed this, nor did I see anyone clip the moment he did, so at the time, I still thought it was alright to say that. That doesn't make me any less sorry, though)
this just made me remember that a lot of luxiem posts on pinterest would have comments like "where's shoto?". it's a post about luxiem, shoto isn't a part of luxiem 😭
On tiktok too i just wanna throw hand gosh😭
A lot of people tend to clown on Mysta most of the time but I've always appreciated/respected how direct and no bullshit he is about stuff like this. If something needs to be said he'll put his foot down and say it without fear of potential backlash or hate from other people. He'd 100% be the type of friend to call you out on your bullshit when he sees it.
Im new to the fandom, I thought it was just a running joke that they kept asking for Shoto (fanarts and more) even though he’s not Nijisanji EN or part of Luxiem. Turns out it was really annoying for both sides :<
But it looks like Msyta is my oshi omg I just love how he addresses the issue with straightforwardness despite his usual dorky vibe.
Welcome to the rabbit hole I hope u enjoy your stay xd And yes! That's why Mysta is my oshi too, he's all goofy and extra but when it comes to realism, honesty and objective mentality he doesn't miss!
i mean, there is nothing generally wrong with fan art of Shoto and a NIJISANJI EN member. It’s only wrong when people start referring to Shoto AS a NIJIEN member. People make fan art of Shoto and Niji members all of the time and it’s fine otherwise.
Also I agree, while Mysta is not my personal favorite Nijisanji member, he definitely is very forward and direct about things and I have to respect him for it 🧡
@@okthen884 there's been a lot of fanarts of nijiEN asking "where is shoto" and some of this artists have been guilt-trip .
@@okthen884 theres alot of fanart of vox with people in EN. And people saying "where is shoto" or if uki and shu in the same frame of fanart, theres people say "where is shoto". Its kinda annoying for the artist who makes that fanart
I have so much respect for Mysta. He is very straightfoward, and he's there to his friends. He KNOWS that Shoto basically built himself, he's been talking about how much he worked as an independent Vtubber. Mysta just wants people to respect Shoto's work, and everyone in NIJI EN work as well. He's such a nice friend
Honestly it's kinda disrespectful to both Shoto and everyone they keep mentioning him to when they talk about Nijisanji it's like they're invalidating his work by tacking him onto a big company.
This is one of the reasons I appreciate Mysta: He doesn't hesitate to address concerns or issues surrounding the community and actively calls it out
Good on our fox boi for putting his foot down ✨
i love mysta for addressing this. I love shoto but Its so annoying when there is an art/video/meme/tiktok or whatever it is, there's always that one person who goes "but where is shoto 😒?".
Edit: shoto also just made a voice tweet regarding this issue too
THISSS!! BRO
yea, I feel annoyed when the topic is about nijisanji and suddenly someone mention "where is shoto?". like at the mysta tier list nijisanji EN stream, someone mention "where is shoto??", like what? its all about nijisanji EN, shoto is not nijisanji liver- (im sorry for my bad english)💀
yeaa
yup
@@kakatarin7636 i think some people are either just new to njijisanji or just very casual vtuber fans that they actually think he's part of nijisanji just bc he does collab with them a lot
He is the one ALWAYS addressing and being straight on things.
I truly like this.
I understand new fans not know, but it takes SO LITTLE to research
“Shoto is the adopted member of nijisanji EN!!!!” please shut up ohmygod
Besides the disrespectful part, I'm also concerned about the official stuff. I mean, will Sho ever get into any problem with Anycolor if a lot of people misunderstand his identity? I would rather not risk it. I'm 99.9% certain the company won't do anything, but I'm a worrywart. I just want them to continue to be friends and play together comfortably.
yeah that's what I thought too. I mean on one hand it can get awkward when ppl always demand them to do everything together, even though he isn't a member, and on the other hand I am also worried anycolor will be annoyed by it and he'll get into trouble 😭
In the end it boils down to one simple thing: don't demand of streamers do a certain thing or with a certain person. no matter if their own group or not. I am always baffled by how ppl think they have the right to demand certain content from entertainers and spam it all over the place...
Yeah thats what i had in my mind wheh i clicked on this.
While it's insanely annoying, I don't think Anycolor would really take action against it since it's not really having a huge impact for them other than making some chats unbearable. Asking their own talent to distance themselves from him would actually hurt them more since he's bigger than a lot of them (in EN at least).
I don't think the company would give trouble to shoto, the most they could do is tell niji EN to do less streams with him for a period of time , BUT i can only see this happening under an issue of fans harassing another streamer which has never happened
As for this same people being annoying on JP streams the only fix to that might only be banning the word unfortunately, bc is certainly annoying
@@AldenEmroch idk what you see as harrassing and which other steeamers you mean, but obsessive people definitely have shown up in EN's streams before. Even with hate towards the current liver, in the name of S. But that is just a general thing with obsessive shippers and "fans", not specifically bc they say he is part of EN.
as always, thanks a lot for adressing this kind of issues, Mysta !
i'm part of the guildies and im also a kindred, comfydant, stargazer, and mystake. i love seeing them playing together with shoto but really the joke about shoto being a part of EN needs to stop. aside from it invalidate shoto's effort in building his very own platform until it become this big, it must have been weird for Luxiem too (since he collab a lot with Vox, Mysta, and recently Shu)
especially chat that likes to go out of their boundaries by bringing Shoto's names in every possible chances, you guys really need to stop.
i dont want to see them stop collabing just bcs of this issue. you guys need to accept the fact that he is not part of Niji, he is their friend but not their crewmate. keep the boundaries everyone, dont go too far.
you know it's serious when he bangs the table at the beginning
god i love mysta, i mean bro, Shoto worked so hard to be known as Shoto, he worked his way up to get his supporters, joking about him being in nijisanji probably will make people think that he’s famous cause he’s there, mostly people who are new who have no idea who shoto is, i thinks pretty great when mysta talked about this, people don’t know real jokes smh
The fact that I started delving into the Vtuber community through Shoto. He was the reason I got to discover other Vtubers. I only knew about NijisanjiEN because of one of his collabs with Vox. Shoto, an independent Vtuber, would always be my D1.
I still love Nijisanji though, and the groups/teams they have. I just like to look back where I came from.
I love the fact that Mysta isn't scared to talk about stuff like that. He always addreses the problem and clears things up. Love him🧡🧡🧡
Also Shoto does it too on his streams💜💜💜
Mysta is like one of the few that i at least know, that could speak up straightforwardly like this. Very respectable. Also him bringing this up is a great decision. Well said too. People need to know boundaries like this.
i remember when shu and mysta were doing nijisanji tier lists and someone asked where shoto is and mysta already said there that shoto is 💀
I love how mysta addresses this bcs there are some people who keeps on forgetting it. He's a good friend to most of the EN but he's not part of EN. You, forgetting him being indie vtuber means that you're not acknowledging how much hard work he did and think he's known bcs he's "an EN or close to EN".
I can not fathom how people think its okay to insist that shoto is in nijien... If you have at least watch luxiem for a week you would've know, who is part of luxiem and isn't, even if you're know and just joking that's just disrespectful to shoto unless you did it intentionally to piss him off
The reason is more annoying because people keep saying out of topic shoto related stuff in people stream
And not just mysta stream
Im personally think its not just shoto not part of nijiEN but as general streamer case like this really make both side feel bad, like the rule man..
In all honesty, I've been very put off whenever I saw comments, even fanart of Shoto being in Nijisanji. Yes, he gets along really well with EN members, there are other streamers too that do the same even outside EN. And I'm happy that a lot of people like Shoto, but there's always limit. Back then I thought there were only a few small comments regarding this topic, but the fact that it's reached to this point is really disappointing.
There is one time i saw luxiem fanart and the artist fuckin replace shu with shoto, the disrespect
@@chiara9369 lmao ive seen that and I immediately blocked the artist. The funniest thing is no one in the comments even questioning wheres the OG purple member lol
@@chiara9369 okay that's one is fucked, I generally see Luxiem art with Shoto there as an additional, like some Artists that like both and generally draw Shoto with the boys
@@chiara9369 omg gimme the link please? I'm more of NijiJP side and the only EN I love are Shu and Selen and it hurts me how he's treated like that by the fandom (I'm also sad that he's the lowest subbed member in Luxiem)
@@chiara9369 ARE YOU KIDDING ME??? That’s enraging. Extremely aggravating. As Shu is one of my oshis and comfort streamer that makes me wanna punch air. I’ve noticed how much the fan base just ignores Shu, and it makes me so sad. He’s such a good streamer :( He shouldn’t be treated any less by the fandom than everyone else.
I remember seeing a comment somewhere where someone said “Where tf is the honorary member of niji en or luxiem?” pertaining to an official art of LUXIEM released by NIJISANJI OFFICIAL 😭 I have to calmly explain that it is an official art, not a fan art, so of course shoto will never be there because he is not part of Luxiem and NIJI EN 😭
I love Mysta so much for saying this
Mysta is my oshi. He knows his limits when serious topics comes up
Thank you god for bringing this topic up Mysta,it bothers the hell out of me and always when people say things like "Shoto is practically a member of EN" or "Shoto is only famous because he is friends with the EN members" and I always tried to defend him but people literally cursed me and said that I was being clueless and other things,even so I kept saying that,Shoto had tried hard to get there and said that it was because of their friendships,so it's really gratifying to see that Mysta put this on the table,because if it was boring for me,imagine for Shoto,who had all his credits simply taken,Shoto is an indie Vtuber and to the sadness of some,he achieved his fame ALONE,without the support of NIJISANJI or any other platform,FUCK,understand this,is it that hard???
Ps; Shoto was the first gringo Vtuber I met,because I'm Brazilian
Funny how people will act like this in these communities then proceed to hold their fandoms above others... Like those are the kinds of people that would probably unironically call someone toxic or cringe just for watching a different group of vtubers than them which is so ironic considering how damaging their fanbases are being atm. Sorry that happened, sounds like it was a lot of bs. It can suck when you're getting dogpiled on the internet, especially when you know they're wrong about what they're coming at you for.
@@greyscaleadaven just YES,that's exactly it, these kind of people never accept a point of view different from theirs,they always think they are right,even when they are wrong they insist on hitting the same key,and this has been happening since I've known myself,it's so... boring and repetitive that sometimes it gets tired,and I'm like "is it really that hard to admit you're wrong?"
Sometimes the content is not bad but people think it's because of the fans
I knew of Shoto before his collabs with EN and I think it's pretty clear who is part of the company an not. You just need to check their primary platforms for streaming is different.
And talking about that, I checked his debut YT stream live and the HUGE amount of mentions to EN and Vox immediately put me off. Please follow the rules and don't bring other streamers into the chat, I can't imagine how annoying it must have been for him too
and this is why we love mysta😌
I'm glad Mysta seriously addressed this and I hope this message continues to spread. It's absolutely disrespectful for Shoto because of his individual hardwork AND to all the EN members who had to audition and compete to be accepted into their position in Nijisanji. Both of these I'm sure are huge accomplishments that everyone is respectfully proud of.
YES FINALLY IVE BEEN WAITING FOR A NIJISANJI EN MEMBER TO SAY THIS. Mysta was right, it is actually SO disrespectful to say shoto is it EN or whatever. people shoudn't use the joke we use for Oliver Sensei, Even if we say/joke about Oliver, I think its alright since Oliver is still in nijisanji, just not EN. But using that joke for independant vtubers like shoto, is disrespectful. ESPECIALLY when people bring out shoto out of nowhere in streams even if its not related nor talked about in the strream. I honestly agree that it is annoying despite being a shoto and a nijisanji en stanner. It probably already effected shoto's confidence and people pressuring him and calling him as a nijisanji member are just the worst.
annoying that something so blatantly obvious has to be addressed but absolutely love mysta for saying it for those that need to hear it (hopefully they dont need to be told twice)
I love mysta for addressing this thing about shoto, yes i know it was supposed to be a *joke* but it's disrespectful both side, i always see "where's shoto??" when the video or other else is only about luxiem/NIJISANJI, also when it came to Vox ship with others ofc there always be someone ruin it "What about shoto?😭" God i had enough
honestly I think it's the new fans or people who are new to nijisanji that's not aware that shoto's not part of nijisanji nor luxium, because if your someone who is a fan of luxium and nijisanji you have no reason to do that to piss off the streamers so 💀
I think so too 😭😭 When I first got into nijisanji I also got into shoto bc of the collabs they had with him. I found out he wasn’t actually part of nijisanji after checking his twitter. It’s annoying, but I hope most people aren’t doing it on purpose
I'm glad Mysta is someone who puts his foot down. It's important to draw the line, people need to respect the difference - Nijisanji should be respected as Nijisanji and solo Vtubers/Vtubers from indie companies should be respected as they are as well.
Thank you so much for clipping this, i hope people are spreading this all around social media
ah yes the natori sana effect. collabs with a shit ton of members so they keep getting mistaken as a member. this happens quite a lot.
Whenever some of the NijiEN talk about the other members, there's always that one person spamming, 'what about Shoto?' or 'what do you think about Shoto?'. It's so annoying. Obviously, many people are friends with Shoto, but he's not part of NijiEN.
I knew shoto back when he was a pngvtuber and only had around 100 views per stream. He worked hard and built himself up from NOTHING. Sure he is very popular now Coz of his collab with nijisanji but he is and always an INDIE vtuber, he doesn't want to restart his identity, be bound to a company and it is very annoying to long time fans, as myself constantly seeing his chat mention nijisanji en or Vox or whatever. I feel like he doesn't interact with chat as much as he did before coz all the messages are the same. So please. Be mindful of whoevers chat you're in. Don't mention other streamers unless they talk about them first. Or companies whatever.
Thanks for comming to my ted talk
im sorry but he's not popular because of his collabs with niji en, he worked his ass of for his viewers on his own, if what you said is the case, shoto shouldn't be pulling more viewers than niji
@@iliveoffblmanhwas4913 i know but alot of viewers came from niji fans and blew up for abit! I definitely do know he worked so much for his streams and fans.
@@cindyluu8523 You could've just said that Shoto has so many fans now because he worked on his own with his effort, it sounds like you're disregarding his effort. A lot of new fans of shoto and guildies also got interested in Niji EN, You could say that both benefited from collabing.
Yes I remembered that he said that he tried to audition for a company but he then retracted(?) the form cause he love his persona. He love being shoto.
this was especially annoying to me when i was watching the EN members do tierlists (selen's and shu-mysta's streams)
SO many people actually asked "why is shoto not in this?" and even when others replied with "shoto's not nijien" they would reply back with "yes but he's basically a member at this point" 🙄🙄
I wouldn't know Shxto if it wasn't for NijiEN especially the Luxiem. But trying to push him as part of Niji is really annoying. You don't say this on other vtubers or streamers like RpR or Sykkuno or Monarch who mostly collabs with NijiEN. It's like Shoto is an exception to say he is now part of Nijisanji when he isn't. It also sounds disrespectful to the company fr.
Shoto and mysta already said that thing multiple times.. but people keep bring that things up. Smh.
i first discovered vtuber with shoto and vox collab and that's how i was introduced to niji, i thought he was also part of niji but i noticed how different his character's animation to niji and that's how i know he's not part of niji.. its as simple as that, why can't some people notice it?
Not only for EN, its soo disrespectful for Shoto too. He do nothing but hardwork as indie vtuber, people should knowledge that.
I mean Mysta’s youtube channel name literally has ‘Nijisanji’ in it while Shoto’s doesn’t so yeah if people take the time to look or whatever yeah it shouldn’t be that hard to figure out who’s apart of Niji and who’s not
Yup! Speak louder, sweety! You absolutely right!!
It's disrespectful to address him as EN when he builds his own channel from the very ground he is as PNGtuber. He was big even before he became close to Nijisanji livers like now. He is there just to have fun with friends like everyone else, not to make himself known as indie vtuber. That guy is really entertaining that he could make himself big from a scratch.
I have noticed this too, it's really annoying.
Shoto not being part of EN doesn’t take from any of their closeness with each other. You could view it as nijisanji’s relationship with each other is co workers at base, and nijisanji’s relationship with shoto is friends.
thank you for clipping! I thought he was an indie but I honestly kept getting confused because many people were saying he was a part of nijiEN but many were also saying he wasn't so this just cleared my confusion :)
YEAH MYSTA MY MAN SAY IT LOUDER
FINALLY!! someone talk about this situation, i also find it very annoying when i watch vids about luxiem and nijisanji , someone in the comment said "where's Shxto?" "Shxto is the adopted son of nijisanji,..or smt abt Shxto. I mean wtf ,are they blind or do you not notice and care about that? .You don't get any benefit by doing that but you'll bring more anti to them. I'm so sick of that , it's so disrespectful, Shoto built it all by himself, it's not from a company or anything and just because Shoto is close to people in Luxiem or Nijisanji members doesn't mean he's a part of it.
-sorry, I'm verry bad at English
Thank you mysta for addressing it !.
I also had enough about this "Shoto is a part of niji EN" jokes. and they also mention Shoto on koshien draft yesterday, and I was very dissapointed with this behaviour. it really disrespect both the boys and Shoto himself....
It's good that mysta brought it up, shoto worked hard to get where he is, especially being an independent v-tuber, some v-tubers who are independent have a hard time getting out there and seen, so saying that shoto is a part of NijiEN is like turning a blind eye and throwing all his hard work to the wind in a sense. Still hopefully this won't have to be addressed again, but I think that'd just be hoping.
Being EN and being in the friend group are 2 different things. Being EN means you auditioned and got in. Being in the friend group means that you are friends with a certain group of people.
It's disrespectful for Shoto's own hard earned career, he's not supported by any company and to make jokes abt him like these makes both sides uncomfortable
it usually starts off as a joke, but if it drags on and gets too far. that's when it's disrespectful.
Yeah its started as a joke. Until there are a lot of new fans who doesnt know its a joke and think that its real and started spamming toxic things
I really didn't expect this but it's because I met Shoto first.
In fact, I knew Nijisan from the collaborations with shoto
then I was surprised that seriously they did not deign to investigate their work a bit
Mysta is right. People really need to respect that Shoto is an *INDEPENDENT VTUBER*
😂Naw cos I'd be embarrassed if I was the person that brought up shoto in the comments that resulted in Mysta finally snapping about people saying Shoto's part of Luxiem or Nijisanji EN
They're friend/best friend but still they're different, i agree it is really disrespecful for both side (maybe especially to shoto) because people always joking like that. I don't want them to be akward of each other because of the joke. Tbh i knew shoto because he's often collab with nijisanji especially with EN member but after that i searching all about him, who was he actually and then i know he's a great person. Thank you Mysta for mentioning this.
Glad he addressed this though. People need to stop in respect for shoto.
I think vox brought this up at some point too, not completely the same words but it was kind of connected to what mysta's saying
I was there for this.. can’t believe some people do that 😭😭
Shoto is just Shoto. He worked hard to independently get to where he is now. 💜
THIS, I WAS THINKING ABOUT THIS THE OTHER DAY like so many people seem to not understand this and it BUGS ME
Yes, respect to mysta for laying it out straight
i really like how actively EN branches and independents and english speakers in general collaborate as though they're living next door to one another
i am not the biggest fan of shoto but it was just so disrespectful to bring him up every chance they get. i feel like the majority are voxto fans who bring shoto up in streams he isn't even in and try to bring in a shipwar or telling the other streamer (if you know you know) to say that vox is shoto's repeatedly. i am glad mysta has finally put his foot down about this when others were too polite to address this
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Thank you so much mysta you are exactly right! Does this ppl even search who is shoto?? Did they not watch luxiem or any niji en debut ?? i guess they dont, just watching the stream lol
Awesome of him to clarify, because I wasn't consciously aware that Shxoto wasn't NijiEN. I gather he's part of another group then? Or is he independent? (Is it rude to ask that? I'm so new to this scene...)
He's independent
Shoto is indie vtuber. However he is friend with several Niji members for many years before they joined Niji so that’s why he is very friendly with EN
@@aeriann1229 Oh, cool! That's so good to know; thanks so much. :D
@@Momocham23 I gotcha! That's good to know. I kinda want to try VTubing, but I wasn't sure if you could make it as an independent streamer. Guess I'll have to reconsider.
@@TJtheBee well if you want to be indie, it is harder compare to being in company since they get way more promotional off the bat but trade off is that indie have more control over their contents so its up to you. Shoto and Bao are doing very well now but it did took them several years to get to this position so you really have to be serious about the grind
more people should know this
This might sound weird but goddamn it's so hot when people set boundaries, address important stuff and stand for others like this, I'm completely simping
thank god i cant take this shit anymore. everywhere theres shoto fans (more like new fans or more specifically new voxto fans) that keeping saying hes EN. its so so annoying. shoto didnt ask for this hes just having a good time with his friends.
Shoto just made a voice tweet about this issue too. So please check it out.
He said that its disrespectful and annoying when ppl mention his name on nijisanji stream thats not related to him. He is an indie vtuber who built his popularity from 0 without any support from any company. Please stop bringing up his name in nijisanji. Thanks
I see it all the time on tiktok, people always ask why shoto isn't included in luxiem posts and niji posts, how can you be a fan of a Vtuber and not know they're not under a label?
GOD FUCKING DAMNIT FINALLY!
SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK! It’s so disrespectful for both Shoto and NIJIEN. Sho has different rules, manages himself and streams on twitch as a main platform. It is disrespectful to him when you’re basically ignoring the fact that he build his name and brand from the ground up. And you’re also breaking the NIJIEN streamer’s rules not to mention liver that have nothing to do with the topic and context at that point.
I just want to add not being familiar with community and making jokes in the heat of the moment is very understandable and human. What's important is listening to Mysta and Shoto when they say these jokes make them uncomfortable and stop these spreading the jokes, now that you've understood it was making them awkward.
Making mistakes is ok. Everyone is human. No one has to pretend they didn't make this mistake, it's only called being a human and not knowing. It takes time for people (even parasocially) to know each other and learn where the boundaries and lines are, and doing your best to not consciously step over them.
Bro I wholeheartedly thought shoto was part of ninisani, I suppose that shows how much people say he is 💀
ive been a fan of shoto for the longest even before I got into nijisanji and before shoto even started doing big collabs with them, it was kinda funny at first because of how well he gets along with them but now it so over used and annoying. it's like the whole thing with everyone saying Prof is EN and not JP. it's very disrespectful especially towards his own Jp members, and very misleading.
As someone who didn't know who Shoto was I felt left out when I watch collab stream with him. it would've been nice if this was clarified earlier.
Literally Nijisanji EN luxiem members only have 5, so i'm not sure how people think he's part of Niji EN 💀
this is definitely different case compare to Oliver is EN thing because Oliver IS from Nijisanji,you can't do that joke to the people outside of Nijisanji
It’s so upsetting that people assume or pressure him that he is part of NIJI EN. Shoto is NOT part of either NIJI or Luxiem, he is his own person/VTuber. He is independent VTuber, people have to understand that. It’s good that Mysta was able to address the problem from his point of view.
Though i've said smth like "Shoto is a honorary Nijisanji" for lolz, this getting real frustrating when people actually think Shoto is a part of EN when he's actually not.
I'm glad Mysta speaks about this, it's just disrespectful to Shoto's status as independent vtuber.
I won't say any jokes like that again, i feel bad actually.
everytime I search for buying something from luxiem there is shoto, it happens a lot
EXACTLY
Feel kinda bad now, cuz I genuinely thought he was lmao. Never actually stopped to think about it until now.
Yeah.. It kind of made me feel irritated to see delulus keep going on and on about Shoto being part of Niji EN. Don't get me wrong, I love Shoto and I love how he interacts with Nijisanji Family. But please drop the talks of him being in Nijisanji, or an Honorary member cause he's not. He worked hard and gave a lot of effort as an indie Vtuber, it's like y'all are disregarding that fact with all those talks. HE'S GOOD FRIENDS WITH NIJI LIVERS, BUT HE'S INDIE DON'T FORGET THAT. Stop making things so awkward between them just because you want it.
At least it'll be clipped for a good reason--SO PEOPLE WOULD KNOW ABOUT THIS TOO.
How the hell some of them did not know or ignore that Shoto isn't Nijisanji EN, Shoto is a solo vtuber