Yeah, I often send a little clip of mine to family and friends just as a 'what I'm upto' and it always generates a conversation and people take a big interest
@@ostosix oops, @scatteredrustyprojects is my other account. I didn;t realize I was signed in there when I replied above. There is some machining on that channel too which you might like to check out.
Nice to see the Shaper doing a precision job. As an apprentice toolmaker I used the shaper to clean the skin off Tool Steel and rough blocks to size for the Tradesmen.
the first time i saw this machine was on Fireball tool youtube page and the guy did a very good job at explaining the ins and outs of how this beasts works.. cheers to all the engineers and machinist who designed and built these beasts
Many old heads were done with shapers and they remained more common than horizontal milling machines for many years at job shops early in the last century. Automobiles are often cruder than one might imagine. If it doesn't leak it's repaired. (Typical modern methods can take shallower cuts but auto engines are disposable these days and it only has to last long enough for the rest of the wear parts in the engine to be expended. By then the rest of the vehicle should also be used up and can go off to the shredder.)
Me hubiera gustado ver cuando entra a los agujeros para ver la reacción de la cuchilla cada vez que pasa por ellos. En lo que ví el esfuerzo de corte es constante
This is likely just a step in the process for the head, logically the next step would be something finer to get a uniform finish like a stone or something similar. I'm not entirely sure about the specifics since using a shaper to flatten a head hasn't been a common method in a long, long time.
This is not the best tool for this work and I think most know this. 7 thousands is probably needed to ensure the entire surface actually gets metal removed for a uniform finish. With other tools you could remove much less or even selectively only remove the highest points while removing 1/3 the metal, but if this works it works. The majority of engines easily last till they reach a throw away status so having these heads push closer to that point after being shaved is fine. Putting 89 instead of 87 in for fuel is hardly the end of the world.
Stroke of the displacement is probably 100 mm, 7 thou change is about 0.35mm. So that is only 1/300 change. Even multiplied by the compression ratio, thats still only a couple percent change in compression ratio.
Planing of discontinuous surfaces does not give a plane, because under load the cutter deforms and SINKS into the part, and impacts with loading are not avoided, not to mention acceleration when the cutter hits the void. For cast iron, this does not work at all...
Perhaps discrepancies are noticed when measuring to a finer degree. In reality, this resurfacing stops the coolant leak into the cylinder thus fixing the problem. Attempting to target accuracy to .000001" would be a waste of time.
@@FirstEliminator So say that this is a pre-treatment followed by grinding. I perform these operations in ONE INSTALLATION on the same milling machine and do not engage in masochism.
If you are so smart, go start your own fucking channel and do things the way you want. If it gets the job done then it's not wrong regardless of what some dickless armchair machinist has to say about it. Your comments about interrupted cuts on a shaper would still apply to a milling machine so your second comment is completely ignorant. There is a gasket that will take up any microscopic imperfections. In reality, he's probably 10 times flatter than he really needs to be after completing this operation.
Why don't you do it your way, and let this guy do it his own way. A shaper will do just fine. You're not trying to mate the cylinder head to the block metal to metal, there is no reason to be that precise, there is a gasket. Why don't you get your own shop and your own tools and then you can do things the way you want, otherwise fuck off.
@@simonworsnop900 Valves are still in too. With the shaper you can just blow off the chips. Good luck ever getting all the grit out of the head without a total teardown. Let alone actually getting it flat when the wheel heats the aluminum up.
Shapers have a use to their own, and are usually a fair bit easier to run than a mill. Yes it takes longer, but it's one tool to change when it gets dull over five or six in a mill. Plus like the guy said, turn it on and you can work on something else as it claps away in the corner This is dated tech, but it's still functional for it's intended purpose.
@@danmoeser3863 Perhaps if you are measuring to the millionth. Take into consideration the application and it does just fine. Lets see a machining video from you.
@@FirstEliminator what ever works for man actually I don't have any videos and I've been machining for 30 years I'm going to have to make a couple now never thought of it 👍👍👍
@@danmoeser3863 ... when the power once only came from Steam, this whas the one and only tool to doo straight surfaces a.s. the slide! Still today only can straighten a slide by this maschine! I love this thing because also it looks soo amazing stylish, very high all over all other Millingmashines!
This was one of the reasons i moved up to a larger shaper, nice to see a real world use rather than just cutting a block down
I don't use it that often, but it sure is handy when I need it. Plus it is the funnest tool in the shop to watch.
Yeah, I often send a little clip of mine to family and friends just as a 'what I'm upto' and it always generates a conversation and people take a big interest
@@ostosix oops, @scatteredrustyprojects is my other account. I didn;t realize I was signed in there when I replied above. There is some machining on that channel too which you might like to check out.
Nice to see the Shaper doing a precision job. As an apprentice toolmaker I used the shaper to clean the skin off Tool Steel and rough blocks to size for the Tradesmen.
Beautiful shapers, and without the universal table!
the first time i saw this machine was on Fireball tool youtube page and the guy did a very good job at explaining the ins and outs of how this beasts works.. cheers to all the engineers and machinist who designed and built these beasts
Many old heads were done with shapers and they remained more common than horizontal milling machines for many years at job shops early in the last century. Automobiles are often cruder than one might imagine. If it doesn't leak it's repaired. (Typical modern methods can take shallower cuts but auto engines are disposable these days and it only has to last long enough for the rest of the wear parts in the engine to be expended. By then the rest of the vehicle should also be used up and can go off to the shredder.)
Nice one I've never thought of it that way
Great choice of music.
@Ayden Jameson
Get out of here with your spam.
Thats pretty awesome.
Me hubiera gustado ver cuando entra a los agujeros para ver la reacción de la cuchilla cada vez que pasa por ellos. En lo que ví el esfuerzo de corte es constante
Great way to encourage blow by between cylinders ? We have a shape,but heads are done on the mill
This is likely just a step in the process for the head, logically the next step would be something finer to get a uniform finish like a stone or something similar. I'm not entirely sure about the specifics since using a shaper to flatten a head hasn't been a common method in a long, long time.
Surely it will just traverse across the whole face and the valve gear wouldn't be touched
That is fucking mesmerizing
Trying to raise the compression of the engine? If not, isn't 7 thousandths a bit excessive?
This is not the best tool for this work and I think most know this.
7 thousands is probably needed to ensure the entire surface actually gets metal removed for a uniform finish.
With other tools you could remove much less or even selectively only remove the highest points while removing 1/3 the metal, but if this works it works.
The majority of engines easily last till they reach a throw away status so having these heads push closer to that point after being shaved is fine.
Putting 89 instead of 87 in for fuel is hardly the end of the world.
Stroke of the displacement is probably 100 mm, 7 thou change is about 0.35mm.
So that is only 1/300 change. Even multiplied by the compression ratio, thats still only a couple percent change in compression ratio.
To raise compression significantly, heads are usually milled .020"-.060"
And you just move up to the thicker gasket anyway?
Hydraulic shaper?
Mechanical, a crank shaper.
I hope it doesn't move in that vice
Nice
What about the musik ... it disturb the wonderfull metalicmelody ...
Kitne enchi hai shepar
Nice video.
But why the crappy, too loud music?
Dude, don't knock the ELO! ;-)
Planing of discontinuous surfaces does not give a plane, because under load the cutter deforms and SINKS into the part, and impacts with loading are not avoided, not to mention acceleration when the cutter hits the void. For cast iron, this does not work at all...
Perhaps discrepancies are noticed when measuring to a finer degree. In reality, this resurfacing stops the coolant leak into the cylinder thus fixing the problem. Attempting to target accuracy to .000001" would be a waste of time.
@@FirstEliminator So say that this is a pre-treatment followed by grinding. I perform these operations in ONE INSTALLATION on the same milling machine and do not engage in masochism.
@@СКон-и6й good for you.
If you are so smart, go start your own fucking channel and do things the way you want. If it gets the job done then it's not wrong regardless of what some dickless armchair machinist has to say about it. Your comments about interrupted cuts on a shaper would still apply to a milling machine so your second comment is completely ignorant. There is a gasket that will take up any microscopic imperfections. In reality, he's probably 10 times flatter than he really needs to be after completing this operation.
@@14768 ha ha ha!!! Makes a good day even better....
Enjoyed.
Should use surface grinder for this purpose...
Why don't you do it your way, and let this guy do it his own way. A shaper will do just fine. You're not trying to mate the cylinder head to the block metal to metal, there is no reason to be that precise, there is a gasket. Why don't you get your own shop and your own tools and then you can do things the way you want, otherwise fuck off.
@@14768 Friend I already have my shop n u r welcome to watch n have coffee
@@amarjeetsingh-nw4gd Good, go there and get off the internet. Nobody gives a shit about your opinion.
Surface grinder on aluminium? Good luck with that please share a video on how you get on
@@simonworsnop900 Valves are still in too. With the shaper you can just blow off the chips. Good luck ever getting all the grit out of the head without a total teardown. Let alone actually getting it flat when the wheel heats the aluminum up.
Beautyfuuuulllll
Ahh yes, the shaper.
For those jobs where you don't want speed, or efficiency... 👍
The set-up is easy. Turn it on and do something else.
Shapers have a use to their own, and are usually a fair bit easier to run than a mill. Yes it takes longer, but it's one tool to change when it gets dull over five or six in a mill. Plus like the guy said, turn it on and you can work on something else as it claps away in the corner
This is dated tech, but it's still functional for it's intended purpose.
@@speeddemon4484 ... it was a joke. 😁
Shapers are very useful, like for when all the good machines are broken. 👍
Wrong machine for the Job 😃😊🙂
why is that?
@@FirstEliminator to much tool deflection
@@danmoeser3863 Perhaps if you are measuring to the millionth. Take into consideration the application and it does just fine. Lets see a machining video from you.
@@FirstEliminator what ever works for man actually I don't have any videos and I've been machining for 30 years I'm going to have to make a couple now never thought of it 👍👍👍
@@danmoeser3863 ... when the power once only came from Steam, this whas the one and only tool to doo straight surfaces a.s. the slide! Still today only can straighten a slide by this maschine! I love this thing because also it looks soo amazing stylish, very high all over all other Millingmashines!