People keep saying this is rollkur, but I disagree. Even in Totilas' freewalk, he doesn't stretch much because he has a short neck. When he is in his collected frame, that's the expected roundness of his neck. He's on the bit and not behind the vertical. He does the movements correctly and that's why he was amazing. People view Valegro as a better horse than him simply because to the eye, Valegro's Grand Prix frame and conformation are both nicer. Totilas brought what he could to the table and I think Gal did I good job with him. I personally hate the way Totilas moves because of his conformation. I don't like how short his neck is, but it's all he has.
Emma Jacobs I agree that this isn't rollkur. He really has a short neck so it might look unproportional to the viewers. Nevertheless i never liked watching him because i think the way he was ridden was just awful. Everyone loved totilas just because his front legs went to the ceiling when he moved, but there was no activity on the backhand (i don't know if it it's called like this in english, in Germany it is, so sorry of it's not). There are also enough videos online where you can see that totilas is ridden in rollkur, so i can really understand this 'anti-totilas fraction'...
True, very few times he's behind the vertical. What bothers me is that you see mostly no contraction in his back and stomach, wich results in an inactive hindleg. So he might seem collected when looking at his neck, but his body is telling a different story. Isabell Werth has the same 'problems' with her horses. If you compare the piaffe of Totilas and Weihegold with the one of Valegro you can clearly see that the latter really steps under his center (real collection). I am not a fan of the 'big sport' but there are some, such as Charlotte or Ingrid Klimke, that do ride their horses well and most of the time in a nice and healthy collection/frame. We just need some judges that can tell a truly good and healthy movement from flying legs and high necks.
I see people make comparisons between this horse and Valegro all the time, and this horse definitely looks way more over bent but he is also a completely different stamp to Valegro. Valegro has entirely different conformation, this horse is very short, especially his neck, it can give an entirely different effect
The Kezra I compare the quietness of their tails...Valegro’s tail is still when he’s working whereas Totilas’ is flicking in every direction. I’m not an expert but that’s my observation! :)
The person who bought Toto said he was a "bad investment"....even a novice rider knows that different riders produce different results with the same horse. Toto+Gal combination is simply magical and nothing can beat this...he just floats so gracefully, wish we could see more performances like this.
people just envy this rider. he´s an example of one of the best riders. he made this horse, he took this horse to the next level. Some people that are writing stupid comments like: poor horse, in rollkur and etc. they should look at themselves before commenting on others.
Got to Charlotte Dujardin with her horses, and you’ll see that the necks are at the same angle, with Totilas’s just a bit rounder, because he has a short neck. It’s completely natural with no Rollkur.
Been looking long for this video His best test ever Both horse and rider so relaxed Compared to Charlotte such steady easy hands The horse not once behind the vertical Just brilliant
sorry, but i don't think so. the extended trot was not correct, the back legs should surpass the front Legs , but they don't even reach thr trace of the forehand...
MultiCanaris charlotte is better then any rider who used rollkur will ever be... not of her world records, but of her skill to ride Valegro. I bet if Edward even got close to valegro his score would be -34.
I don't know about u guys, but rollkur is forbidden in the netherlands, so this horse can't be trained with rollkur. If u just take long enough time to train with your horse you will get these results.
I am only recently learning about dressage and Totilas appeared in my feed. I watch these videos repeatedly as these tests are stunning. Trying to understand the rollkur controversy that may apply to this horse. Sad that he was sold. Watching videos with Rath as rider, it seems Totilas never enjoyed Rath as his rider and was heartbroken. Horses are not machines after all.
Okay, let me get one thing clear. Totilas is a warm blood, and his neck is short. He is not wearing a bearing rein, and there is not a Rollkur. Edward Gal is shortening the reins, but there is not a Rollkur. He is just arching his neck. Watch carefully and compare it t pictures of horses with Rollkur sandy you’ll see the difference.
The horse is always ridden with the neck elevated. This enables it to have that trademark high stepping action in front. But it all catches up when extensions are called for. Also when tempis are performed. The true classical trainers of old would be spinning in their grave
I have heard this horse was trained by Rollkur and I think that is horrible. But he must be an exceptional horse because he doesn't actually look annoyed in this video at all and moves quite freely. Imagine a horse like this what he could be if trained with humane methods! But just looking at this video I don't see the signs of poor training. Those I had to find out through other outlets. I think when people think he looks annoyed it's because they know the backstory because in reality the horse is not showing the typical signs of angst here that annoyed horses show. Even his passage is less tense than many I've seen. The only telltale sign I see of rollkur is during the free walk he has a hard time stretching and really holding the stretch - which could be many reasons but since I know he was trained with rollkur it makes sense for that reason.
Actually, Edward never used the Rollkur when training Totilas or any of his horses. Under Rath he did got trained with the Rollkur and well.... We all know what happened after that. Edward is an amazing rider and I truly respect him.
The extended trots really reveal impurity of gaits. The hind legs are stuck. A horse like this should have inconceivable overtrick in the extended trots.
I have worked with horses that have been trained with roll kur they have no relaxation in the neck they are tense and do not give well to the rider as the commentators said his exaggerated movements were not tense this horse has quite a thick neck for a dressage horse so it appears that he is being ridden/trained in that style,but when they went into extended walk did you not see how relaxed he was? Another note is that he had so much engagement of his back legs with roll kur the horse does not have that much flexion he does not show the signs like you say he does.
Странная, непрофессиональная съёмка. Абсолютно искажён экстерьер Тотиласа. Сплющенный, укороченный корпус. Шея кажется короткой, а это совсем не так. На качественной съёмке прекрасно виден экстеръер. По завершении фристайла Гал отдаёт повод, и Тотилас сразу расслабляется, вытягивая шею. Она у него длинная, с высоким поставом. Непонятно, зачем сняли так, что Эдвард выглядит нелепо долговязым. У Тотиласа прекрасный экстеръер, идеальные, гибкие ноги, великолепные движения.
Thank goodness this poor horse was retired. I hate to think of how numb his poor mouth was. Poor lad has seen no compassion his whole life, just rolkur and pain. I can't stand Edward Gal's training methods.
If any of the judges that had ever judged their dressage tests thought Edward was using rollkur in his training, they would have been able to see that in their tests. These dressage judges are thoroughly trained to know what to look for & if any thought something was wrong, they would have taken it to the board & council (yes, we have those). He's a horse that has a big crest & even though he WAS trained in rollkur, he was not during the time that Edward rode him. It takes an unimaginable amount of time to untrain horses from that & Edward is an amazing rider.
+Jake Barrett aha .... and you know that right? You are in the dressage circles and indeed know about how Gal rides his horses?Wel obviousely you are not and talking out of your a**** otherwise you would know that Gal is actually quite renowned for his easy Hands. Not like Charlotte Dujardin..a great rider but much more forcefull with her hands (to a very sligh dregree which Amateur riders will never accomplice by thr road)
Jake Barrett plus, I've heard his owners never turn him out cuz he was so expensive! Horses should never be confined to a stall, they are social animals!
TheHaxorusGirl that's not true!! Edward even said in an interview that he didn't go in the fields because he constantly got injured cause of him getting wacko (more horses especially stallions have this problem). BUT never the less he got out for a walk and eating grass 4 times a day for an hour or so. I don't call that animal abuse I call that taking incredibly good care of a horse. If they know such things happen on the field, why let him get injured and be in pain for no reason. Great wellfare at Edward's stables I would say.
totilas is used in rulkar for training when he does those movements he isn't happy your right he is in pain at least now he is retired he can live a life free from this and just be a horse again
you are taliking out of ur ar*** There is sign of stress anywhere in this performance. Your assumption that "he knows no better therefore accepts" is based on what knowledge ?? Please enlighten me. maybe you can surpirse me with soem data , making out of this very adventurous hypothesis something more factual opinion ?
It's actually the opposite of unnatural. The announcers for horse competitions are actually almost professional riders or judges themselves. Therefore, they know what they are looking at & directly say "it was very free & no tension showed at all".
People keep saying this is rollkur, but I disagree. Even in Totilas' freewalk, he doesn't stretch much because he has a short neck. When he is in his collected frame, that's the expected roundness of his neck. He's on the bit and not behind the vertical. He does the movements correctly and that's why he was amazing. People view Valegro as a better horse than him simply because to the eye, Valegro's Grand Prix frame and conformation are both nicer. Totilas brought what he could to the table and I think Gal did I good job with him. I personally hate the way Totilas moves because of his conformation. I don't like how short his neck is, but it's all he has.
Emma Jacobs I agree that this isn't rollkur. He really has a short neck so it might look unproportional to the viewers. Nevertheless i never liked watching him because i think the way he was ridden was just awful. Everyone loved totilas just because his front legs went to the ceiling when he moved, but there was no activity on the backhand (i don't know if it it's called like this in english, in Germany it is, so sorry of it's not). There are also enough videos online where you can see that totilas is ridden in rollkur, so i can really understand this 'anti-totilas fraction'...
I think you are absolutely right!
True, very few times he's behind the vertical. What bothers me is that you see mostly no contraction in his back and stomach, wich results in an inactive hindleg. So he might seem collected when looking at his neck, but his body is telling a different story. Isabell Werth has the same 'problems' with her horses. If you compare the piaffe of Totilas and Weihegold with the one of Valegro you can clearly see that the latter really steps under his center (real collection). I am not a fan of the 'big sport' but there are some, such as Charlotte or Ingrid Klimke, that do ride their horses well and most of the time in a nice and healthy collection/frame. We just need some judges that can tell a truly good and healthy movement from flying legs and high necks.
I see people make comparisons between this horse and Valegro all the time, and this horse definitely looks way more over bent but he is also a completely different stamp to Valegro. Valegro has entirely different conformation, this horse is very short, especially his neck, it can give an entirely different effect
The Kezra I compare the quietness of their tails...Valegro’s tail is still when he’s working whereas Totilas’ is flicking in every direction. I’m not an expert but that’s my observation! :)
The person who bought Toto said he was a "bad investment"....even a novice rider knows that different riders produce different results with the same horse. Toto+Gal combination is simply magical and nothing can beat this...he just floats so gracefully, wish we could see more performances like this.
if only you know what they really did to this horse to make it move like this....
people just envy this rider. he´s an example of one of the best riders. he made this horse, he took this horse to the next level. Some people that are writing stupid comments like: poor horse, in rollkur and etc. they should look at themselves before commenting on others.
Got to Charlotte Dujardin with her horses, and you’ll see that the necks are at the same angle, with Totilas’s just a bit rounder, because he has a short neck. It’s completely natural with no Rollkur.
Spanish horses friesians and lippizans also do look like they get worked in Rollkur but it's just their neck
There is a tangible connection between this rider and this horse. It is truly beautiful to see the respectful conversation going on between the two.
never seen such a relaxed horse on the way out.... fantastic
Unbelievably Beautiful!
Thanks so much for posting, I miss Gal & Totilas
Been looking long for this video
His best test ever
Both horse and rider so relaxed
Compared to Charlotte such steady easy hands
The horse not once behind the vertical
Just brilliant
sorry, but i don't think so. the extended trot was not correct, the back legs should surpass the front Legs , but they don't even reach thr trace of the forehand...
MultiCanaris charlotte is better then any rider who used rollkur will ever be... not of her world records, but of her skill to ride Valegro. I bet if Edward even got close to valegro his score would be -34.
Lisa & Carismo x3 at the extended trot I thought it was his normal trot because he wasn’t even going anywhere
MultiCanaris s
Totilas was amazing, but I agree, his conformation could be better. I love how he floats through his transitions though.
Well done, wasn't it ? You know it's great when you can't wait to watch it again.
Thank you
The king Totilas!❤
He's not trained with rollkur. He's a damn warmblood. when he's collected, his neck looks like that.
beautyful horse left us RIP Totilas ;(
So wonderful, but...
Totilas must have become so traumatised by the separation from Edward, that he will never find this level and joy again.
those transitions tho 😘😍
I don't know about u guys, but rollkur is forbidden in the netherlands, so this horse can't be trained with rollkur. If u just take long enough time to train with your horse you will get these results.
Yourbraindamage. Just because it's forbidden it doesn't mean they don't use it... His last rider even admitted to it
I am only recently learning about dressage and Totilas appeared in my feed.
I watch these videos repeatedly as these tests are stunning.
Trying to understand the rollkur controversy that may apply to this horse.
Sad that he was sold. Watching videos with Rath as rider, it seems Totilas never enjoyed Rath as his rider and was heartbroken. Horses are not machines after all.
test in Olympia Edward just beautiful.
He fit so perfectly with this horse. Incredible.
Forget Vallegro! This is the best ever!!
Okay, let me get one thing clear. Totilas is a warm blood, and his neck is short. He is not wearing a bearing rein, and there is not a Rollkur. Edward Gal is shortening the reins, but there is not a Rollkur. He is just arching his neck. Watch carefully and compare it t pictures of horses with Rollkur sandy you’ll see the difference.
Pure art...
The horse is always ridden with the neck elevated. This enables it to have that trademark high stepping action in front. But it all catches up when extensions are called for. Also when tempis are performed. The true classical trainers of old would be spinning in their grave
Dancing beauty! 🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟
That a great job i looove it si much 🤗❤️❤️❤️
Damn. Totilas had better moves than I do.
I have heard this horse was trained by Rollkur and I think that is horrible. But he must be an exceptional horse because he doesn't actually look annoyed in this video at all and moves quite freely. Imagine a horse like this what he could be if trained with humane methods! But just looking at this video I don't see the signs of poor training. Those I had to find out through other outlets. I think when people think he looks annoyed it's because they know the backstory because in reality the horse is not showing the typical signs of angst here that annoyed horses show. Even his passage is less tense than many I've seen. The only telltale sign I see of rollkur is during the free walk he has a hard time stretching and really holding the stretch - which could be many reasons but since I know he was trained with rollkur it makes sense for that reason.
Actually, Edward never used the Rollkur when training Totilas or any of his horses.
Under Rath he did got trained with the Rollkur and well.... We all know what happened after that.
Edward is an amazing rider and I truly respect him.
Well said, thank you.
Of course! He is the best rider ever!
The extended trots really reveal impurity of gaits. The hind legs are stuck. A horse like this should have inconceivable overtrick in the extended trots.
The best ever!👏👏👏👏👏
The best rider and the best horse ever inklusive Vallegro!
The best horse and the best rider ever!!
Кто скажет, что за произведения звучат в выступлении Тотиласа?
Умер Тотилос 14 декабря. 2020 года. От колик. Rip Totilos 14 December 2020
Didn’t Charlotte durjion or whatever do the same thing but for fei like the same song they didn’t do the same moments did they?
This is totillas?
Yes
Yes!The king Totilas!
COOLIO!!!!
It's so sad that this extraordinary horse was a victim of rollkur.
I agree
his chin is NOT tucked into his neck. There is plenty of room.
What does rollkur means?
MetronomeMagic
I have worked with horses that have been trained with roll kur they have no relaxation in the neck they are tense and do not give well to the rider as the commentators said his exaggerated movements were not tense this horse has quite a thick neck for a dressage horse so it appears that he is being ridden/trained in that style,but when they went into extended walk did you not see how relaxed he was? Another note is that he had so much engagement of his back legs with roll kur the horse does not have that much flexion he does not show the signs like you say he does.
Странная, непрофессиональная съёмка. Абсолютно искажён экстерьер Тотиласа. Сплющенный, укороченный корпус. Шея кажется короткой, а это совсем не так. На качественной съёмке прекрасно виден экстеръер. По завершении фристайла Гал отдаёт повод, и Тотилас сразу расслабляется, вытягивая шею. Она у него длинная, с высоким поставом. Непонятно, зачем сняли так, что Эдвард выглядит нелепо долговязым. У Тотиласа прекрасный экстеръер, идеальные, гибкие ноги, великолепные движения.
he's a gorgeous horse but i can't help but notice how his front is high and floaty but his back is very... mediocre.
They were legendary!!!! Then someone ruined totillas with the Rokar method.
Isn't his horse a bit behind the vertical?
💧💧💧💧💧💧
Thank goodness this poor horse was retired. I hate to think of how numb his poor mouth was. Poor lad has seen no compassion his whole life, just rolkur and pain. I can't stand Edward Gal's training methods.
You know Edward doesn't use the Rollkur right? He's a very gentle rider with alot of patience. Rath is a complete other story though...
If any of the judges that had ever judged their dressage tests thought Edward was using rollkur in his training, they would have been able to see that in their tests. These dressage judges are thoroughly trained to know what to look for & if any thought something was wrong, they would have taken it to the board & council (yes, we have those). He's a horse that has a big crest & even though he WAS trained in rollkur, he was not during the time that Edward rode him. It takes an unimaginable amount of time to untrain horses from that & Edward is an amazing rider.
+Jake Barrett aha .... and you know that right? You are in the dressage circles and indeed know about how Gal rides his horses?Wel obviousely you are not and talking out of your a**** otherwise you would know that Gal is actually quite renowned for his easy Hands. Not like Charlotte Dujardin..a great rider but much more forcefull with her hands (to a very sligh dregree which Amateur riders will never accomplice by thr road)
Jake Barrett plus, I've heard his owners never turn him out cuz he was so expensive! Horses should never be confined to a stall, they are social animals!
TheHaxorusGirl that's not true!! Edward even said in an interview that he didn't go in the fields because he constantly got injured cause of him getting wacko (more horses especially stallions have this problem). BUT never the less he got out for a walk and eating grass 4 times a day for an hour or so. I don't call that animal abuse I call that taking incredibly good care of a horse. If they know such things happen on the field, why let him get injured and be in pain for no reason. Great wellfare at Edward's stables I would say.
"Such natural movement" YES LETS WATCH THE HIND END TRAIL BEHIND A FRONT END DANCING ONLY FROM ABUSE
totilas is used in rulkar for training when he does those movements he isn't happy your right he is in pain at least now he is retired he can live a life free from this and just be a horse again
*rollkur...
Denise Shephard apparently rollkur is illegal in the Netherlands so if that is true it would be impossible for him to be trained in that way
Denise Shephard but I'm not sure
@@b0nedad illegal things are done all the time lol
Not really a great video ! You can barely hear the music
rollkur :{
this horse is in pain. anyone can tell that. poor horse.
I agree the poor horse has been beaten to perform. The tail going is expressing his anger. So sad
+Of A Lark i think just because of that is Valegro much better Charlotte Duhardin can train this horse and in the same time it can be itself
he's trained in rolkur, he's swishing his tail exesicly but he's not pinning, which means he doesn't know any other way and he a
sadly excepts it
you are taliking out of ur ar***
There is sign of stress anywhere in this performance.
Your assumption that "he knows no better therefore accepts" is based on what knowledge ?? Please enlighten me. maybe you can surpirse me with soem data , making out of this very adventurous hypothesis something more factual opinion ?
Poor horse. It looks so unnatural. And he beats with the tail all the time. 😠🙁
It's actually the opposite of unnatural. The announcers for horse competitions are actually almost professional riders or judges themselves. Therefore, they know what they are looking at & directly say "it was very free & no tension showed at all".
But unnatural must not be bad..
Btw u r western rider?
Horses beat with the tail to help them balance, it's not automatically an expression of annoyance or discomfort.
Ida Mörk xDDD
Abuse on the horse