This is a very relevant historical discussion. I find it hard to understand how people have so little interest in something that could literally change the course of their lives. Regards from Brazil.
For Lenin and Trotsky the proletariat was not really to be understood but rather to be easily moulded to their will . Malleable and biddable in view of it's lack of education and subservient nature initially to the Tsar and church and now to the Commonist party and it's doctrine .
Very insightful, thank you for the conversation. I spent some time in Moscow's archives trying to trace the story of my gggrandfather who was sent to the Solovki gulag prison for being a priest, but didn't know about the Hoover archives. Good to know! Looking forward to more conversations the XX century.
In an elite New England boarding school (Kent School for Boys) in 1968 I had a lecture from a recent Harvard history grad that laid the blame for the Cold War on the West
Excellent discussion between two distinguished historians. I am currently reading *A People's Tragedy* by Orlando Figes, and it takes a far more critical perspective on Lenin than Robert Service does.
Just look up Guillaume Levasseur de Beauplan and his 1639 map with Ukraine marked twice. Muscovy Tartaria had its first school for children established in 1689, about the same time Sir Isaac Newton presented his 'On Mathematical Principles of Natural Philosophy''.
Re Trotsky and the Nazi-Soviet Pact etc. Trotsky still saw Russia as a "worker's state" (albeit of a deformed variety) and as such he argued that Russia had the right to defend itself as best it could. In the late 1930s many people, followed by many modern day historians, saw the policy of the western powers (Britain and France) as encouraging the expansion of Nazi Germany eastwards towards Russia. Stalin would have entered into an alliance with the western powers in 1939 if he thought that they were at all serious about this. Once he realised that they weren't and that his armed forces were monumentally unprepared for war against Nazi Germany what alternative did he have other than to secure a breathing space for Russia by agreeing the Pact with Hitler?
Stalin entered into packt with a goal of re-concurring Russian Empire lands (Baltics, Finland, Poland, Eastern Romania...). Putin has the same idiotic ideas in 2024. Soviet movies of the time were giddily showing Communist state that includes All of Europe. Soviets were hoping for European powers to exhaust themselves in second war with Germany and then Glorious Red army would have rolled over them all the way to Portugal. Bolsheviks all believed in concept of Permanent Revolution and World Wide Communist State. Bolshevik theory expressly argued that it is impossible to sustain Communism just in one country, their ideology was always seeking expansion.
Great interview. I look forward to reading Service's upcoming book on Gorbachev and Yeltsin.
This is a very relevant historical discussion. I find it hard to understand how people have so little interest in something that could literally change the course of their lives. Regards from Brazil.
Delightful interview. Thank you!
Excellent!
Thanks you Sir!
Wonderful interview.
Great interview!
For Lenin and Trotsky the proletariat was not really to be understood but rather to be easily moulded to their will . Malleable and biddable in view of it's lack of education and subservient nature initially to the Tsar and church and now to the Commonist party and it's doctrine .
Robert Service: the legend.
Very insightful, thank you for the conversation. I spent some time in Moscow's archives trying to trace the story of my gggrandfather who was sent to the Solovki gulag prison for being a priest, but didn't know about the Hoover archives. Good to know! Looking forward to more conversations the XX century.
Superb ❤
In an elite New England boarding school (Kent School for Boys) in 1968 I had a lecture from a recent Harvard history grad that laid the blame for the Cold War on the West
McCarthy commission has a lot of unfinished business.
Another Hoover banger.
I was trying to figure out what Robert Service 16 January 1874 - 11 September 1958 the poet was going to say...😊
I haven't watched this yet, but the timing seems very relevant. I hope it is deliberately so.
Lenin seized the moment!
superb
Yes, thank you.
Great History!
Excellent discussion between two distinguished historians. I am currently reading *A People's Tragedy* by Orlando Figes, and it takes a far more critical perspective on Lenin than Robert Service does.
Orlando Figes got schooled and exposed as a hypocritical fool by Alan Woods.
Just look up Guillaume Levasseur de Beauplan and his 1639 map with Ukraine marked twice. Muscovy Tartaria had its first school for children established in 1689, about the same time Sir Isaac Newton presented his 'On Mathematical Principles of Natural Philosophy''.
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interesting.....
I cannot watch this other than on 1.75 - 2.0 speed.
Kamal Harris watched this video many times!
Re Trotsky and the Nazi-Soviet Pact etc. Trotsky still saw Russia as a "worker's state" (albeit of a deformed variety) and as such he argued that Russia had the right to defend itself as best it could. In the late 1930s many people, followed by many modern day historians, saw the policy of the western powers (Britain and France) as encouraging the expansion of Nazi Germany eastwards towards Russia. Stalin would have entered into an alliance with the western powers in 1939 if he thought that they were at all serious about this. Once he realised that they weren't and that his armed forces were monumentally unprepared for war against Nazi Germany what alternative did he have other than to secure a breathing space for Russia by agreeing the Pact with Hitler?
Stalin entered into packt with a goal of re-concurring Russian Empire lands (Baltics, Finland, Poland, Eastern Romania...). Putin has the same idiotic ideas in 2024. Soviet movies of the time were giddily showing Communist state that includes All of Europe. Soviets were hoping for European powers to exhaust themselves in second war with Germany and then Glorious Red army would have rolled over them all the way to Portugal. Bolsheviks all believed in concept of Permanent Revolution and World Wide Communist State. Bolshevik theory expressly argued that it is impossible to sustain Communism just in one country, their ideology was always seeking expansion.
Not invade Poland and not supply Nazi Germany with war materials, i suppose.
Sorry for the dumb question, but what's the name of the intro/outro music?
Not bad for a non-Kotkin
a cure for insomnia
0:32 _"pompously entitled....propaganda"_
Wow, thats some cnn level reportage right there 😂😂