Those boards, and others, are awesome! I used to date a girl who sold real estate in Hollywood, and she brokered a few studio sales over the years. The mixing boards and equipment were always well known to potential buyers. In fact many of the engineers who came with the investors to look at the property, swore they could hear the differences between mixing boards, and could tell you which board was used....in finished recordings!
Small correction: pan and balance are different. A pan pot changes the POSITION of the channel in the stereo panorama (usually seen on mono channels). A balance pot (usually seen on stereo channels) changes the LEVEL of the left and right channels, but it doesn't change the positions (i.e. what is right stays right, what is left stays left). Pan control on a stereo channel would require 2 pots and would allow you to put some of the channel's left (right) signal to the right (left) output bus.
I’ve worked on bi-polar mixers in my past. They have issues, one day they sound good, the next day they might sound bad. You never know which way they might go. Just kidding. Also I love the old Tridents. Like any analog board they need maintenance however. All of the them; Neve, Trident, API, the list goes on. Thanks for bringing back memories.
Solo is different from PFL, not only because it takes place after the fader, but also because it applies to the output bus, i.e. it is destructive to your mix (it's like pushing mute on all other channels). Hence it's full name "Solo-in-Place" (some vendors may no implement it that way and instead have it behave like an AFL). As it names indicates, Pre-Fade Listen is not just about pre-fader (and pre-pan but after EQ and dynamic) but it's also a cueing function ("listen"), it will not destroy the mix (it just affects the monitors, not the output bus).
What do you think of the SSL AWS 900? That was the desk in Studio A at the college where I earned my A.A. (Recording). It might be "dated" now, but - wow - I'd love to own one!
I’ve been following along your DSD videos and I just purchased a new headphone amplifier with DSD decoding… Could you release some sample files of DSD and PCM of some of your tests so that we could hear what it sounds like and the differences? I have never heard a good DSD recording yet to know what all of this excitement is about
Thanks, Steve. How might we do that? If you go to the Octave Record's home page www.psaudio.com/product-category/octave-artist-masters/ you can hear 30 second samples of all our tracks that were recorded in DSD.
@@Paulmcgowanpsaudio This is great! I didn't know you had this page, thanks Paul! However, I don't see a DSD file download. I'm not sure how you would do that. I am brand new to DSD and still exploring it.
@@SteveHartmanVideos Oh, sorry. We don't offer download samples. To download you have to pony up and pay the price to get the full download in DSD and high resolution PCM. And, you need a way to playback the DSD files too.
I made recordings with the small broadcast version of this board of organ music with a stereo pair of Bruel & Kjaet. Best sounding recording I have made. It was not branded Studer but Revox. Same machine. I had the tone control, aux sends, and switches bypassed hard wired (pre fader, post gain) to the master out. You can hear the acoustics sing (rt 60 of 8) and the organ itself is an historical landmark build in 1524-1732.
May I suggest a short audio sampling be offered for your cd's? Most sellers use this approach. I want to make sure the music is to my taste before i pay for it. The trumpet jazzz looks good but I wan to get a taste of it. Does not even need to be super high res for this purpose.
Hi, Paul, can I please ask what will be the frequency response of your mixers and microphones as you well know instruments produce ultrasonics that affect the lower human hearing range, wonder will you be capturing those nuances. Of course the playback system needs to be able to reproduce as well. Best regards.
It is a fact that in all my equipment, always replacing the 5532 has improved the sound. They do not create a solid center image and have problem with transients. For example , older ATC powered speakers used this chip in the crossover, and it affected the center image and created a sharp transient distortion on music that was readily heard in any showroom. An easy replacement even in space limited equipment is to use a Burson 5i chip style and if needed the adapter to DIP format. Several brands of discrete op amps are also popular replacements when space is not an issue. The author Walter Jung was the first to note the problems with the chip in his Audio Amateur articles, 30+ years ago. Yet the chip which is down to 5 or 10 cents is till being used in modern equipment only for its cost. And a heavy current draw in one channel can effect the power to the other channel. Why newer chips have changed their internal designs.
Yes, you are correct. Op amps in chip form often rarely designed with audio in mind and can be a challenge to make sound good. Which is why we generally don't use them in our designs of audio or recording equipment, preferring instead to make our own discrete versions so we can control sound quality.
Too hard to explain to someone who has no Analog mixing experience, but the short answer is in the summing. When you mixdown digital it renders to a perfectly flat image. A multi channel analog mix doesn't do that. It is a combination of layers. The more layers the more distinction or separation of instruments and program you get multiplied by the texture of the pres. This gives you fuller richer, distinctly separated sound-- and that's not even with tape as a capture medium. This happens even with a digital signal. If you want to actually hear the difference check out SSL Origin-- analog v digital. In highend recording there is a return to large format analog consoles combined with digital recording.
No doubt this can produce great audio. Lots of NE5532s with EQ circuits and lots of pots can still work wonders even most other audiophile companies will tell you otherwise.
@@Paulmcgowanpsaudio -- You tried to "do better" before and it didn't work. Good luck with your future attempt(s) -- but I don't have to remind you, it's all about "synergy" so the way those clever Studer folks used those NE5532s needs to studied in detail, because simplistic "chip rolling" ain't gonna cut it!
If there ever was an industry standard component that cover all applications, its the NE5532 hands down! Defacto I suppose, but for good reason im sure. Cant even begin to list all the gear ive come across featuring the NE5532 in all its brands/flavors.
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Those boards, and others, are awesome! I used to date a girl who sold real estate in Hollywood, and she brokered a few studio sales over the years. The mixing boards and equipment were always well known to potential buyers. In fact many of the engineers who came with the investors to look at the property, swore they could hear the differences between mixing boards, and could tell you which board was used....in finished recordings!
Small correction: pan and balance are different. A pan pot changes the POSITION of the channel in the stereo panorama (usually seen on mono channels). A balance pot (usually seen on stereo channels) changes the LEVEL of the left and right channels, but it doesn't change the positions (i.e. what is right stays right, what is left stays left). Pan control on a stereo channel would require 2 pots and would allow you to put some of the channel's left (right) signal to the right (left) output bus.
I’ve worked on bi-polar mixers in my past. They have issues, one day they sound good, the next day they might sound bad. You never know which way they might go. Just kidding. Also I love the old Tridents. Like any analog board they need maintenance however. All of the them; Neve, Trident, API, the list goes on. Thanks for bringing back memories.
Ooh a Zephyr filter intriguing!!
There's that lovely old Revox open reel in the background again :)
Solo is different from PFL, not only because it takes place after the fader, but also because it applies to the output bus, i.e. it is destructive to your mix (it's like pushing mute on all other channels). Hence it's full name "Solo-in-Place" (some vendors may no implement it that way and instead have it behave like an AFL).
As it names indicates, Pre-Fade Listen is not just about pre-fader (and pre-pan but after EQ and dynamic) but it's also a cueing function ("listen"), it will not destroy the mix (it just affects the monitors, not the output bus).
I'm really looking forward to hearing about the Zephyr filter
What do you think of the SSL AWS 900? That was the desk in Studio A at the college where I earned my A.A. (Recording). It might be "dated" now, but - wow - I'd love to own one!
I wouldn't call the AWS 900 dated. It's just not that old.
I’ve been following along your DSD videos and I just purchased a new headphone amplifier with DSD decoding… Could you release some sample files of DSD and PCM of some of your tests so that we could hear what it sounds like and the differences? I have never heard a good DSD recording yet to know what all of this excitement is about
Thanks, Steve. How might we do that? If you go to the Octave Record's home page www.psaudio.com/product-category/octave-artist-masters/ you can hear 30 second samples of all our tracks that were recorded in DSD.
@@Paulmcgowanpsaudio This is great! I didn't know you had this page, thanks Paul! However, I don't see a DSD file download. I'm not sure how you would do that. I am brand new to DSD and still exploring it.
@@SteveHartmanVideos Oh, sorry. We don't offer download samples. To download you have to pony up and pay the price to get the full download in DSD and high resolution PCM. And, you need a way to playback the DSD files too.
is it a 904? we just did an extensive video about a 904a. Great Console!!
It is!
I made recordings with the small broadcast version of this board of organ music with a stereo pair of Bruel & Kjaet. Best sounding recording I have made. It was not branded Studer but Revox. Same machine. I had the tone control, aux sends, and switches bypassed hard wired (pre fader, post gain) to the master out. You can hear the acoustics sing (rt 60 of 8) and the organ itself is an historical landmark build in 1524-1732.
I'll bet that must have been great. Truly, the Studer is a wonderful sounding board. Thanks for chiming in.
May I suggest a short audio sampling be offered for your cd's? Most sellers use this approach. I want to make sure the music is to my taste before i pay for it. The trumpet jazzz looks good but I wan to get a taste of it. Does not even need to be super high res for this purpose.
Hi, Paul, can I please ask what will be the frequency response of your mixers and microphones as you well know instruments produce ultrasonics that affect the lower human hearing range, wonder will you be capturing those nuances. Of course the playback system needs to be able to reproduce as well. Best regards.
It's a great question. Our electronics extend well into the ultrasonics but the microphones are the limiting factors.
It is a fact that in all my equipment, always replacing the 5532 has improved the sound. They do not create a solid center image and have problem with transients. For example , older ATC powered speakers used this chip in the crossover, and it affected the center image and created a sharp transient distortion on music that was readily heard in any showroom. An easy replacement even in space limited equipment is to use a Burson 5i chip style and if needed the adapter to DIP format. Several brands of discrete op amps are also popular replacements when space is not an issue. The author Walter Jung was the first to note the problems with the chip in his Audio Amateur articles, 30+ years ago. Yet the chip which is down to 5 or 10 cents is till being used in modern equipment only for its cost. And a heavy current draw in one channel can effect the power to the other channel. Why newer chips have changed their internal designs.
Yes, you are correct. Op amps in chip form often rarely designed with audio in mind and can be a challenge to make sound good. Which is why we generally don't use them in our designs of audio or recording equipment, preferring instead to make our own discrete versions so we can control sound quality.
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DAC, Analog mixer, ADC: How can this be better than all digital?
Too hard to explain to someone who has no Analog mixing experience, but the short answer is in the summing. When you mixdown digital it renders to a perfectly flat image. A multi channel analog mix doesn't do that. It is a combination of layers. The more layers the more distinction or separation of instruments and program you get multiplied by the texture of the pres. This gives you fuller richer, distinctly separated sound-- and that's not even with tape as a capture medium. This happens even with a digital signal. If you want to actually hear the difference check out SSL Origin-- analog v digital. In highend recording there is a return to large format analog consoles combined with digital recording.
Every time he leans on the desk the microphone freaks out
No doubt this can produce great audio. Lots of NE5532s with EQ circuits and lots of pots can still work wonders even most other audiophile companies will tell you otherwise.
Yup. Great audio comes out of this vintage board. We can do better, and will, but for now it makes amazing music.
@@Paulmcgowanpsaudio -- You tried to "do better" before and it didn't work. Good luck with your future attempt(s) -- but I don't have to remind you, it's all about "synergy" so the way those clever Studer folks used those NE5532s needs to studied in detail, because simplistic "chip rolling" ain't gonna cut it!
If there ever was an industry standard component that cover all applications, its the NE5532 hands down! Defacto I suppose, but for good reason im sure. Cant even begin to list all the gear ive come across featuring the NE5532 in all its brands/flavors.
DsD other than the noise
Ah… the old cobbler’s shoes adage …
What is the model number of this Studer board?
963 Studer.
@@Paulmcgowanpsaudio Thanks
I'm just not convinced there's a better way to mix DSD, don't retire the Studer!!!