I strongly disagree with Campea on Zemo, completely agree with Robert. The way everything fell into place was not because it was planned out exactly as it unfolded, Zemo pushed at certain points and adapted to the situation as it unfolded. He did not need those three people to arrive at the base together. His plan was to lure Tony to the base where he could discover the information on his own. FedEx wouldn't cut it, this way it would be undeniable. Zemo might not even have known Bucky did it, all he needed to know was that Howard was murdered for the super soldier serum which by itself would build on his resentment towards Steve. I assume the mission footage was kept at that base which is why it was important to get there initially. He was investigating what happened that night for most of the film.
+Kaleiohu Lee Exactly. Hell, I even think if the entire team was there instead of their battle at the airport, it would've made things even worse. Tony fueled by rage would've fueled his team to kill Bucky and Steve trying to protect Bucky as well as his other teammates would've done the same. Carnage.
He wanted Spider-Man for his webbing. It can contain your enemy and be used tactically and without a great deal of force. Luke Cage and Jessica Jones are offensive, not defensive. Stark wasn't looking to harm Cap. Also Zemo WAS a vital part to the plot. He was a snake slithering through the film, he didn't need or require a whole lot of screen time. I like that his motivation is revealed in the last act.
I don't see it that way. I think he was fascinated by Peter and sought to help him out. He was gonna need man power anyway so why not pick the guy who you are going to interact with anyway.
+John Curcio One of the things that bugged me about Zemo at the end was why he killed the other Winter Soldiers when during the whole movie we are lead to believe that Zemo wanted to destroy the "empires" of the world so he could take over. But it all made sense when you realize that it was only more bait to turn the Avengers against and destroy each other for a simple personal revenge plot that it wound up being brilliant. I see Zemo as the culmination of the Avengers sins and failures and is my second favorite MCU villain next to Loki.
I still think John is absolutely wrong about Zemo being another wasted Marvel villain. After three viewings, I'm putting Zemo up there with the likes of Loki, Fisk, Kilgrave, and Ward. He's just an amazing villain with great motive, no superpowers, and succeeds where Loki and Ultron haven't, he destroys the Avengers and tears them apart. He is the first villain to actually win and he knows he won, "Did I?" Such an amazing villain and glad he wasn't killed. Very excited for what is to come from him.
+Beastinrocks He wasn't needed for this story. The actor/character was great, but his part in the story was a waste. The conflict could have been fleshed out with more screen time for Tony and Steve had the video just been an online leak from one of the fallen Hydra cells that were taken out by SHIELD.
***** I've seen the movie 3 times. Zemo was not needed, I stand by that. The Sokovia Accords creates division between the Avengers. Cap finds Bucky, tries to bring him in. Tony meets Bucky. Then the video shows up and Tony wants him dead. Pretty simple concept.
Beastinrocks not sure if you will read this because your comment is from 2016 but it’s because of Zemo that the avengers weren’t together when thanos showed up to get the stones. They could have won
+Ramses Ochoa The character was well portrayed, the actor was great, his motivations were great...... BUT I still feel the movie would have been better without him. The same story could have been done by simply having the video leaked online. That in itself is a red flag for how useless a villain was.
Lame villain with not original motivations.... Too many characters with the same stuff.Angry about their killed family just like three more characters in the same movie.... Sorry but MCU dont know how to make good villain,and you fanboys dont know what good villain is. Only on Netflix they did it right,with amazing Kingpin and good Killgrave.
I really liked Zemo. He got overshadowed obviously, but the way he sowed chaos I found very satisfying. Plus, Daniel Bruhl performed very well. For whatever criticism people might have for the character, it's difficult to deny that Bruhl did a great job. And unlike a lot of Marvel villains, he's still alive. Perhaps a situation will present itself where feels he can actually create a force capable of destroying the Avengers. I would love to see more of him.
+vahidrvahidr Agreed. John is really putting it out of proportion. I've seen the film twice and at first i found his inclusion to be a bit forgettable but after seeing it again I actually thought he was pretty good and his plan was pretty crafty. i do have to agree a little about the convenience of the end part with showing iron man the video but overall his presence helped to motivate the characters and he didn't take away from the film at all.
+xmasta105 I realize no one will probably see this message, but I want to write it out anyways. Zemo's plan wasn't even that coincidental because it kept failing on him. If the hydra officer he was interrogating upside down in the sink just told him where the video tape of Stark's parents dying was he would have just gone straight to Siberia, but it failed! That's the beauty. Then he pretends to be the psychiatrist and guess what Captain America and a few others find out he's an imposter really soon so he somewhat fails again, but still manages to escape in the mayhem. Now when he goes to Siberia I don't believe he knew anyone would follow him. My belief is that he just wanted to get the video tape and then reveal to Iron Man at some point, but it just so happened that everyone followed him to Siberia. Most likely because it made for a very dramatic ending. All in all I loved Zemo.
+vahidrvahidr (hot toy)bernet was on point with zemo plans and his actions, he is top villain for MCU and not dead :) Masters of evil later on? i Hope so.
I'm just glad Schnepp gave Zemo props because he was not a throw away. He was the reason black panther did anything in this movie. right now it's my 3rd favorite behind winter soldier & the first avengers. Might change after I see it again
Robert Meyer Burnett is the only dude there that actually paid attention to the film and Zemo. Zemo makes perfect sense and his actions are logically sound. Amazingly complex villain. Right up there with Ledger Joker.
+xblacklacx In ways his plan is like Alexandor Luthors, pitting heroes against each other, but Zemos motives made more sense and Daniel Bruhl played him very human, not like the comic version at all, i loved it.
John watch the film again and see how he methodically goes about his plan and how it makes sense for them to end up at the base. He was planning on having all the avengers there that's why he was behind the blast door.
About the Zemo plan for Tony to be on Cap/Bucky's side in Siberia. Zemo intentionally left the body in the bath tub, so then he had the lady bring up his breakfast and find the dead doctor, then it gets reported on the news and that's how Tony finds out about the actual doctor being killed and Zemo taking his place.
+Jose G (Joe) Said this before. I bet it will be Thunderbolts, since the Avengers are mostly on the run, they will be the Sokovia Accords/UN sponsored team hunting them down.
My favourite line in the entire film: "When you can do the things that I can, but you don't, and then the bad things happen, they happen because of you." -Peter Parker That line told me everything I needed to know about Spider-Man and the way he looks down in sadness before Tony says "You fight for the little guy" spoke to me. All I could think about was him losing Uncle Ben
+Mark Kostecki And this is a young, inexperienced, kind of insecure version of the character, in her best day she could have ended that fight in 2 seconds.
+cubbex Haha yeah that is true, I kinda hate Black Widow every time I See her On screen I lost my suspension of disbelief. That "fire In The hole" scene at The beggining when Crossbones throw The grenade was awfull.
Zemo got the info of Bucky killing Tony's parents when he brainwashed Bucky after the EMP. Remember? He asks him, mission report, december 16 1991... And it cuts to another scene... So his plan was to bomb the sokovia accord meeting(TChaka died) and frame Bucky... So that way, the ones that signed the accord would go after Bucky and would have to fight Cap America. Then, Cap and Bucky thought that he was planning to send 5 other winter soldiers to destroy cities or something... But Zemo really wanted the video of Bucky killing the Starks... Then he got the surprise that Tony was WITH bucky and cap. So he stayed and showed Tony the tape instead of running away without anyone noticing. His plan was to destroy the empire from within. Remember he says that? He ultimately wanted the Avengers divided. And he succeeded for a while. Zemo did NOT plan for Tony to be there with Cap and Bucky, he just went there to kill the other Winter Soldiers(Because death just united the Avengers(Agent Coulson) AND to retrieve the tape of december 16 1991(Bucky killing Starks). That was his plan. To inform Tony of Bucky killing his parents. He knew it would tear the team apart. Zemo is a genius. But ultimately, Cap saved the day. And Tony and Cap are NOT enemies. Which is dope!
+ZEGS i Yes thats what i got from the film I think Zemo even had a a line in the film congratulating Steve for bringing everyone to the location in Siberia. He wasn't betting on it Zemo just evolved with the plot and I feel there was enough on screen to communicate that.
He had plan similiar to Lex.Heroes fighting with each others... His motivations were same like other two characters from movie so his motivations were not original and generic. Panther mad because dad was killed. Zemo mad because kid was killed. Stark mad because dad and mom were killed.
did no one catch falcon saying "when i look out the window i better not see someone flying in that" when his wings was taken. maybe teasing vulture in the upcoming spiderman movie
Spider-Schnepp, Spider-Schnepp, Does whatever a sweaty can. Spins some Docs, any size, Catches comics just like flies. Flavor! Here comes the Spider-Schnepp.
on campea about zemo "magically knowing stark would figure it out and head to siberea". yes. yes he would. stark has been predictably consistent since phase 1 - stark correcta his own mistakes. this is a psychological thriller. zemo showed excellent psychological manipulation. this guy managed to decrypt shield files. he studied the avengers for a year. he knows about bucky and the color of cap's eyes. his plan makes sense.
People forget about the ending of the Winter Soldier - Black Widow released all the Hydra data into the public. Everything, including the information regarding Winter Soldier's operations - everything that was digital was there. The only thing Zemo actually needed is the tape. Every single piece of information that led him to that he was able to decrypt because he has these skills.
glad amy brought up the scene with the pens every review ive watched/read no one has talked about that scene, i think it might have been one of the most important ones. they come to an agreement then tony tells cap about wanda then cap realizes "nope were not on the same page" and thats when he "plants" himself and right there decides to not be moved
I love how I go to these movies high af and have a great time and forget certain things but videos like this allow me to reminisce without paying another 12$
+FKTV They must have been high af as well, because they only went over the highlights and forgot to actually analyze the movie. WOOO! THE FIGHT! WOOO! SPIDERMAN! WOOO! BLACK PANTHER! Oops, I just jizzed in my pants.
Zemo finds the tape at the Siberia base. He couldn't just send the tape by fedex. But he would've if Tony did not go there. Zemo was there to kill the super soldiers first, Tony showing up was a bonus for him. Although he definitely hoped for that to happen since he made the effort to lead Tony there and set up the tape
I really liked that Iron Man/Spider-Man observation Amy did around 33:05 , really cool stuff. That's the kind of stuff that makes films great. Awesome conversation guys and I liked Zemo btw.
I kinda have to disagree with John on the fact that what Zemo did was chance. It wasn't, it was chess. He puts in Buckeys that they he was looking for the other Winter Soldiers(thus the reason Buckey and Cap goes there). He puts into motion Tony believing Cap by basically revealing himself (by tell the made to come up to the room and she finds the body of the real doctor that was supposed to get Buckey). The only thing that was by chance was the fact that Falcon had to tell him the location but even then he knew they weren't pass the point of no return.
Zemo works because he did what Loki and Ultron never did n that was tear the avengers apart. He didn't have to be there as the big baddie but he needed to be there
It was half chance and half calculated. Chance: 1.The guy he killed being chosen to interrogate The Winter Soldier in fact it's unbelievable. The most important security landmark in the world and they do not validate credentials come on that's "FUCKING UNBELIEVABLE". 2. There being a camera in the exact location where Bucky kills his parents again "FUCKING UNBELIEVABLE" as well as the fact that Hydra has a video of it in a bunker located all the way in Russia again "FUCKING UNBELIEVABLE". 3. Zemo getting the book that activates the winter soldier. Why in the fuck is it not with HYDRA. They are still active so they should have known about the Super Soldiers and especially that book. Again "FUCKING UNBELIEVABLE". Just look at how preminent HYDRA is on Agents of SHIELD. 4. Getting the Avengers to destroy each other just buy framing Bucky. It's believable but can not be calculated. 5. Him getting the information to Tony/ Iron Man. That requires so much disbelief. Where would he send it to. Would Tony ever open the information if he never managed to find out where Captain and Bucky were going to. Calculated: 1. Getting the information from the Hydra data dump at the end of the winter soldier. Him decrypting that information to track down the former Hydra agent. 2. Him setting up Bucky and starting the man Hunt. 3. Him trying to get information from December 16th, 1991 that he found in the data dump. Conclusion it requires to much disbelief in order to believe half of what Zemo tries to do. The chances are so low that it would happen that way that it takes away from everything he did in the movie.
+KingofDemise666 lol love your breakdown. loved the movie but after I left the movie I remember thinking, wait a minute - how did he know this or this would happen - hmmm
I disagree with John I thought spiderman being there made sense. Tony didn't want to hurt Cap at that point and having seen what Spiderman could do with his webs I think he thought maybe the kid could restrain cap and bring him in under control. Also disagree with John. I think Tony and crew showing up in Siberia was coincidence. He went there to get the film and when the Avengers show up he's just like, eh screw it lets do it now. I can see his point I just took it differently.
Yeah because Jessica Jones would have said fuck off, Luke cage is hiding his powers and daredevil has no powers, you need more than just parkor to fight and widow and hawk or superspies. Daredevil would have been irresponsible, Parker has powers.
zemo's plan worked very well! he called room service which led to the reveal that real psychiatrist was dead! and let iron man knew Steve was telling truth
Majority feels Zemo was a good villain, I just dnt know what more you want from him. At the end he won, his motivates were legit, then his plan was to drive the Avengers apart was successful. Like how many villains from Fox Marvel Universe, DC and MCU where the villain actual wins at the end and their plan actually succeed? Not that many
He not won lol.He had similiar plan to Lex Luthor.... To force heroes to fight with each other. His motivations were boring and generic.Too many characters had the same motivations in this movie so Zemo had not original at all.
+mrcooldeadly85 Zemo would be better if he was behind registration,if he had costume like in comics,if he was a Baron and leader of Hydra who maybe lost his innocent family,and they should show flashback how Zemo is finding his dead family and looking at Avengers fighting in the sky. Crossbones should be a soldier of Hydra,he should survive entire movie,and then after Zemo is defeated or killed,he have his final laugh,because Crossbones after that would kill Cap or someone else.That would way better. Zemo motivations in movie were the same like many other characters in the same movie,a death of family member,because of that his motivations were not so original and had 0 impact.
I liked your analogy bw the sokovia accords and the winter soldier, I never thought about it that way. Also, I understood more than other arguments, the way Tony and black widow both pretty much stated that they were signing the accords bc if they don't something a lot worse would happen, like internment (i.e. Scarlett witch).
I still think Winter Soldier is a tighter, better story, but Civil War is easily MCUs best -Fantastic writing that balanced over 12 characters -Action on par or somehow better than Winter Soldier -Somehow manages to be the darkest/most serious MCU film AND the funniest (to me) -The best superhero action scene in all of cinema (BvS warehouse/Winter Soldier/ and Spider-Man 2 train fight all come close) -This is Cap 3, Iron Man 4, and Avengers 2.5 and still well balanced -For me, best Spidey hands down! I get Campea's point that we only saw him for 2 scenes, but those 2 scenes captured Spider-Man better than all 5 films (Tobey was fantastic though) -Avoids cliches (Cap, Bucky, and Tony fighting 5 super soldiers) -A good Villian that suffers from no screen time -Perfect introduction to Black Panther -Nothing feels too forced (not even Spider-Man) Cons: -You can nitpick certain things about Zemo's plan -They went over Peggy's death too fast. This is Cap's number one gal who he wanted a future with, but never got the chance to have one. I wanted a little bit more -Bucky and Steve NEVER address Peggy and I found that odd -Steve says Bucky is a victim but we never really see how Bucky's emotionally dealing with it (the line "I remember all of them" was great though)
Zemo was an amazing villan. He was neither a super robot, an alien or a god. He was simply a man. A man filled with hatred, with the patience and cold intelligence to fulfill his vengeance exactly as he wanted. And the best part is that it was the Avengers that essentially created him.
+twistoffate314 I thought his plan was logical enough, he planed for Tony to find the real doc. body so he would learn about Zemo himself and go after them. And he succeed too. No problem with Zemo at all... why people criticize him?
One of the best Collider shows yet and I watch daily! Dude, when Ant Man turned into Giant Man I lost my mind. My jaw dropped and I was like "No freaking way!". Best Marvel movie yet...Winter Soldier is a close, close 2nd to me. Freaking Spider Man...perfect! Freaking Black Panther...awesome! Tony and Steve...holy crap, man...awesome! That's it...I'm going to the theater.....
+anas 233 There's several issues with the movie. It's not even close to as bad as BvS, for sure. But it's not a perfect movie. Pay attention to the background details, and quit jizzing over the action.
As for Zeemo, I don't think him revealing the tape to Ironman was specifically meant to happen in Siberia. I think Zeemo's plan could have happened ANYWHERE, it just happened to happen when it did, because Tony showed up.
+FEBAGames Maybe if they hadn't called him Zemo, it might have come off better. If you follow the comics even a little bit, the name Zemo carries with it certain expectations of and assumptions about the character. It just seemed like they took a generic bad guy, albeit with a justifiable motivation for tearing the Avengers apart, and tacked on the name Zemo because they felt like they needed a baddie from the comics to be the orchestrator of chaos in this movie. In other words, they wasted the name on a generic bad guy when they could have had any vengeful genius-level guy be the one to set things in motion and saved the Zemo people know for later. Maybe by keeping him alive at the end they can still do that in future movies, but until that happens, it was a waste of the name and character of Zemo.
+Cj Concannon I've read the comics since 1969/70. This isn't the comics, it's alternative. Since 2008 they've been adapting from the comics, changing whatever they think is necessary. In this story, the name wasn't necessary, but even though they used it I did not expect the silly mask, nor the history. That would have been too much for the film. However as you say, there's still the future and if they want to use him again they have a brilliant origin story here, the only man to defeat the Avengers. That's a great starting point.
RJCXDOfficial what about thanos killing most of the avengers and antman is like.. wtf should i do... then i goes back and trains wasp to fight thanos...
Everyone in the comments already ranting about Zemo was actually good. I'll add. 😎 How many comic book movie villains have as much depth as Loki? I think the "bad villains in Marvel" comment is Hyperbole. It may be true in some cases, but Redfield was good. Bucky, Ronan, and yes, Ultron were good. Other movies... Obviously, Joker from TDK. But any others really? Magneto is less of a villain in the X-men movies cause he's been working in tandem with the good guys or, now, working for another villain. It's internet hyperbole.
+Avi P Take The Dark Knight trilogy. Ra's al Ghul, Scarecrow, Falcone, Joker, Harvey Dent, Maroni, and Bane were all memorable villains. In three movies, they created twice the memorable villains that Marvel has in 13. I loved Zemo, but Marvel is weaker in the villains department, plain and simple. Bucky is not even a villain anymore, and Loki is more of an antihero, so they took 2 of their best and turned them into non-villains.
Colin Paine Scarecrow wasn't much but a filler for Ra's. Bane? I don't agree. Nobody is wearing Ra's Al Ghul shirts. Dent wasn't a villain until the end. Counter to your point about Bucky. Falcone and Maroni were typical Mafioso's. My point is, that it's more complaining to complain. The movies are great and the villains do what they are supposed to.
+Avi P I suppose they do what they are supposed to do, but that doesn't make them good villains. It just makes them MacGuffins. They're not well defined characters in their own right. Dent may not have been a villain until the end, but the reason I cared was because he was a real character. What was Malekith's motivation? To be a bad guy? Loki, Bucky, and now Zemo are pretty well defined characters. Not many other than those.
+Colin Paine same as Bane's? If you really want to get into motivation, how to do quantify the Joker's motivation as he really has none other than, screw it I'm doing this because I can and want to.
Colin Paine I agree about Malektih. But you agree about Bucky. Who we also cared about. I'm not saying all the MCU villains were good. I'm saying there are good ones but people exaggerate. I didn't care about Maroni, Falcone, or Scarecrow. For that matter, I didn't care about Ra's Al Ghul. He had a wack plan and was just a means for Batman to become a hero. So now you just have Joker. Which goes back to my point. All this talk about the lack of good villains is clouding the fact that villains aren't always as superb as Joker or Loki. Again...hyperbole.
The reason why I say Tom Holland is the best Spider-Man, is because in those scenes I didn't see an actor, or a stuntman in a costume, or written lines. I saw Tony Stark meeting Peter Parker, and then I saw Spider-Man. Everything about him was just exactly how I see that character. I enjoy Toby, and Garfield I really liked but they were never both characters. Toby was a good(not great) Parker. While Garfield was a good(not great) Spider-Man. It felt like the way I did when I first read the Ultimate Spider-Man, just the perfect combination of everything that makes that character great. Spider-Man's trademark is not his quips, it is his unfourtune. Everything that kid does goes somehow to shit, but what makes him great is that he fights against the bad things with his optimism and humor. When he said ''You know I was really having a good day today mr. Stark. Didn't miss my train, this perfectly good dvdplayer was just laying there and algebra test... nailed it.'' That was the most Peter Parker line ever spoken in any movie ever. It says so much about him that these are things that genuenly excites him when he can do the things he can do, and the subtext in that these things really does not happen often. He was perfect.
Zemo, being my favorite villain in the Marvel Comics, even though he was not true to his origin in the slightest was a fantastic villain to this movie. He was pulling the strings behind the scenes (as opposed to kidnapping one of their mothers😒) and he successfully did that. There were no flaws and no conveniences.... It was all Zemo behind the scenes. We haven't seen his full potential yet and I say he was fantastic with the hope that we haven't seen the end of him yet. He will wear the purple crown at some point, I know it. And I've got my fingers crossed for a masters of evil story line.
The thing that tied Tony into the final scene was finding the body of the original psychologist in the BNB. Zemo called ahead to set up his breakfast delivery, revealing the dead body and the Bucky mask. That was the trigger that pulled Tony away from chasing Bucky and believing the Cap/Bucky story that he was being framed.
It's like Campea didn't even pay attention to the movie. Thank god that the guy to the left of him actually paid attention to what was going on with Zemo. Campea's been bitchin about Zemo on all the Collider shows and It's nice to read the comment sections and see everyone calling him on it.
I bummed no one on the panel talked abt Cap hero moment... "Chopper Scene". Cap brought down a freaking Helicopter. How insanely cool was that scene...
You guys never talk about Tony's final words to Steve: "That shield doesn't belong to you. You don't deserve it. My father made that shield!". I'd like to hear your opinions on that.
Can we talk about how beautiful the trailers set everything up and yet revealed so little? the way that they put audio on a few off shots, and things like painting it like it was Bucky who shot down WarMachine, and the total surprise that this has anything to do with IronMan's dad?
Great discussion. I think Peter Parker was put into the universe perfectly and that the flow felt right. Especially with how Tony Stark operates. And even though he was only in the movie for about 20 minutes, I don't think it's jumping the gun or being presumptuous to say he's the best there's ever been. That was all it took to realize that he's better than the previous attempts to bring that character to life on screen. And Zemo was by far the most intelligent, well-done villain in any of the Marvel movies. They used him brilliantly, and he tied this movie together so well, and he was completely necessary in the movie.
+Marcelo Zacarias true but he puts it out like its gospel... jthen he looks around while he's talking about it like he wants others on the panel to agree
This show has really hit its stride quite well now that Amy Dallen and Robert Meyer Burnett have for the most part become a regular part of the show. They have great insightful views that others miss and make great points to support those views. They are also on the show to talk about heroes and what they love and not to push some personal agenda that some guests have used this show for.
Spidey's introduction was fairly organic. It's a little bit that Tony wants to be a mentor, but it's also that he KNOWS that Cap isn't going to hurt a kid. It's kind of a cheap move, but it makes a lot of sense. Also... Zemo was introduced in Cap 2. :-) He's one of the hostages at the beginning.
I strongly disagree with Campea on Zemo, completely agree with Robert. The way everything fell into place was not because it was planned out exactly as it unfolded, Zemo pushed at certain points and adapted to the situation as it unfolded. He did not need those three people to arrive at the base together. His plan was to lure Tony to the base where he could discover the information on his own. FedEx wouldn't cut it, this way it would be undeniable.
Zemo might not even have known Bucky did it, all he needed to know was that Howard was murdered for the super soldier serum which by itself would build on his resentment towards Steve. I assume the mission footage was kept at that base which is why it was important to get there initially. He was investigating what happened that night for most of the film.
+Kaleiohu Lee Exactly. Hell, I even think if the entire team was there instead of their battle at the airport, it would've made things even worse. Tony fueled by rage would've fueled his team to kill Bucky and Steve trying to protect Bucky as well as his other teammates would've done the same. Carnage.
He wanted Spider-Man for his webbing. It can contain your enemy and be used tactically and without a great deal of force. Luke Cage and Jessica Jones are offensive, not defensive. Stark wasn't looking to harm Cap. Also Zemo WAS a vital part to the plot. He was a snake slithering through the film, he didn't need or require a whole lot of screen time. I like that his motivation is revealed in the last act.
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I don't see it that way. I think he was fascinated by Peter and sought to help him out. He was gonna need man power anyway so why not pick the guy who you are going to interact with anyway.
exactly.
+John Curcio One of the things that bugged me about Zemo at the end was why he killed the other Winter Soldiers when during the whole movie we are lead to believe that Zemo wanted to destroy the "empires" of the world so he could take over. But it all made sense when you realize that it was only more bait to turn the Avengers against and destroy each other for a simple personal revenge plot that it wound up being brilliant. I see Zemo as the culmination of the Avengers sins and failures and is my second favorite MCU villain next to Loki.
+Redpoppy when he said he wanted to "see an empire fall"' he was referring to The Avengers themselves.
These were the golden days. I'm seeing Endgame tonight. Wish you were here to see it Schnepp!
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+Jeremy Villaroman OOOOHHHHHH good burn!!!!
I still think John is absolutely wrong about Zemo being another wasted Marvel villain. After three viewings, I'm putting Zemo up there with the likes of Loki, Fisk, Kilgrave, and Ward. He's just an amazing villain with great motive, no superpowers, and succeeds where Loki and Ultron haven't, he destroys the Avengers and tears them apart. He is the first villain to actually win and he knows he won, "Did I?"
Such an amazing villain and glad he wasn't killed. Very excited for what is to come from him.
+jason evelio funny how marvel is allowed to set shit up
+Mega Deuce thing is they know how to set things up, unlike DC or sony did
+Beastinrocks He wasn't needed for this story. The actor/character was great, but his part in the story was a waste. The conflict could have been fleshed out with more screen time for Tony and Steve had the video just been an online leak from one of the fallen Hydra cells that were taken out by SHIELD.
***** I've seen the movie 3 times. Zemo was not needed, I stand by that. The Sokovia Accords creates division between the Avengers. Cap finds Bucky, tries to bring him in. Tony meets Bucky. Then the video shows up and Tony wants him dead. Pretty simple concept.
Beastinrocks not sure if you will read this because your comment is from 2016 but it’s because of Zemo that the avengers weren’t together when thanos showed up to get the stones. They could have won
Totally skipped the Villain conversation to avoid campea crying about Zemo. Great villain. Period
+Ramses Ochoa The character was well portrayed, the actor was great, his motivations were great...... BUT I still feel the movie would have been better without him. The same story could have been done by simply having the video leaked online. That in itself is a red flag for how useless a villain was.
translation: I don't want to hear campea disagree with my opinion.
Lame villain with not original motivations....
Too many characters with the same stuff.Angry about their killed family just like three more characters in the same movie....
Sorry but MCU dont know how to make good villain,and you fanboys dont know what good villain is.
Only on Netflix they did it right,with amazing Kingpin and good Killgrave.
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+Ramses Ochoa I agree, I felt like he was a way better villain than others. He did so much more to the Avengers than any other villain has.
I really liked Zemo. He got overshadowed obviously, but the way he sowed chaos I found very satisfying. Plus, Daniel Bruhl performed very well. For whatever criticism people might have for the character, it's difficult to deny that Bruhl did a great job. And unlike a lot of Marvel villains, he's still alive. Perhaps a situation will present itself where feels he can actually create a force capable of destroying the Avengers. I would love to see more of him.
I don't get why Zemo's plan doesn't make sense. It makes perfect sense to me.
+vahidrvahidr Agreed. John is really putting it out of proportion. I've seen the film twice and at first i found his inclusion to be a bit forgettable but after seeing it again I actually thought he was pretty good and his plan was pretty crafty. i do have to agree a little about the convenience of the end part with showing iron man the video but overall his presence helped to motivate the characters and he didn't take away from the film at all.
+xmasta105 I realize no one will probably see this message, but I want to write it out anyways.
Zemo's plan wasn't even that coincidental because it kept failing on him. If the hydra officer he was interrogating upside down in the sink just told him where the video tape of Stark's parents dying was he would have just gone straight to Siberia, but it failed! That's the beauty.
Then he pretends to be the psychiatrist and guess what Captain America and a few others find out he's an imposter really soon so he somewhat fails again, but still manages to escape in the mayhem.
Now when he goes to Siberia I don't believe he knew anyone would follow him. My belief is that he just wanted to get the video tape and then reveal to Iron Man at some point, but it just so happened that everyone followed him to Siberia. Most likely because it made for a very dramatic ending. All in all I loved Zemo.
+vahidrvahidr (hot toy)bernet was on point with zemo plans and his actions, he is top villain for MCU and not dead :)
Masters of evil later on? i Hope so.
+josh arteseros one last thing. they said it was so coincidental that iron man showed up alone. he didn't. black panther showed up too.
I'm just glad Schnepp gave Zemo props because he was not a throw away. He was the reason black panther did anything in this movie. right now it's my 3rd favorite behind winter soldier & the first avengers. Might change after I see it again
very true
jakeisdope I'm not sure but I don't think so
Favorite moment, when the two sides were rushing down for the airport fight and Spidey says "they're not stopping..."
Robert Meyer Burnett is the only dude there that actually paid attention to the film and Zemo. Zemo makes perfect sense and his actions are logically sound. Amazingly complex villain. Right up there with Ledger Joker.
+xblacklacx In ways his plan is like Alexandor Luthors, pitting heroes against each other, but Zemos motives made more sense and Daniel Bruhl played him very human, not like the comic version at all, i loved it.
Loved Spider-Man
Loved Giant Man
Loved Black Panther
Loved Vision
Loved Zemo
Loved the whole damn movie!
Daniel Bruhl is such a terrific actor he was awesome as Zemo can't wait to see him in the purple mask wielding a badass Sword in all his glory!!!
+Keemo Smith me too!
Revisiting.... RIP King Of Sweaties ❤ Before Endgame, I wanted to hear from Schnepp. I will miss not seeing your review.
Just tuned just to experience schnepp again. We all miss you bto!
John watch the film again and see how he methodically goes about his plan and how it makes sense for them to end up at the base. He was planning on having all the avengers there that's why he was behind the blast door.
Disagree about the villain. I think he's one of marvels best, he broke the avengers.
About the Zemo plan for Tony to be on Cap/Bucky's side in Siberia. Zemo intentionally left the body in the bath tub, so then he had the lady bring up his breakfast and find the dead doctor, then it gets reported on the news and that's how Tony finds out about the actual doctor being killed and Zemo taking his place.
I think Campea's exaggerating the conveniences with Zemo.
The conveniences are there but I'm willing to overlook and forgive because it leads to a great story and an awesome climax.
I'm sorry, but that one scene with Peter and Tony was the best Spidey scene I've ever seen.
Zemo is a great villain maybe we can get master of evil or thunderbolts movie finger cross
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+Jose G (Joe) yes!, maybe with abomination, klaw, radioactive man, and maybe a spiderman villain
+Jose G (Joe) I know, I thought he was great as a villain, the critics are wrong on this one.
+Jose G (Joe) Said this before. I bet it will be Thunderbolts, since the Avengers are mostly on the run, they will be the Sokovia Accords/UN sponsored team hunting them down.
+Continual Soiree 👍
All these years later, miss Schnepp!!!!!
Civil War is MCU's best movie up to date.
I still like Avengers 1 better
+Hingle McCringlebaby This and winter soldier go hand to hand in my opinion
+Thompson5893 Na not imo avengers is my 3 rd fav or 4th
Avengers is basically flawless in my mind.
1. Avengers
2. Winter Soldier
3. Civil War
Sankalp Sharma
winiter solider is not better imo fuck me dead
My favourite line in the entire film:
"When you can do the things that I can, but you don't, and then the bad things happen, they happen because of you." -Peter Parker
That line told me everything I needed to know about Spider-Man and the way he looks down in sadness before Tony says "You fight for the little guy" spoke to me. All I could think about was him losing Uncle Ben
Scarlet Witch did send Black Panther flying 40 feet in the air lol. Only time he was really bested
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+Mark Kostecki To be fair, Scarlet Witch owns everybody lol.
CinematicGalaxy for sure. THE strongest character
+Mark Kostecki And this is a young, inexperienced, kind of insecure version of the character, in her best day she could have ended that fight in 2 seconds.
+cubbex Haha yeah that is true, I kinda hate Black Widow every time I See her On screen I lost my suspension of disbelief. That "fire In The hole" scene at The beggining when Crossbones throw The grenade was awfull.
Zemo got the info of Bucky killing Tony's parents when he brainwashed Bucky after the EMP. Remember? He asks him, mission report, december 16 1991... And it cuts to another scene... So his plan was to bomb the sokovia accord meeting(TChaka died) and frame Bucky... So that way, the ones that signed the accord would go after Bucky and would have to fight Cap America. Then, Cap and Bucky thought that he was planning to send 5 other winter soldiers to destroy cities or something... But Zemo really wanted the video of Bucky killing the Starks... Then he got the surprise that Tony was WITH bucky and cap. So he stayed and showed Tony the tape instead of running away without anyone noticing. His plan was to destroy the empire from within. Remember he says that? He ultimately wanted the Avengers divided. And he succeeded for a while. Zemo did NOT plan for Tony to be there with Cap and Bucky, he just went there to kill the other Winter Soldiers(Because death just united the Avengers(Agent Coulson) AND to retrieve the tape of december 16 1991(Bucky killing Starks). That was his plan. To inform Tony of Bucky killing his parents. He knew it would tear the team apart. Zemo is a genius. But ultimately, Cap saved the day. And Tony and Cap are NOT enemies. Which is dope!
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+ZEGS i Yes thats what i got from the film I think Zemo even had a a line in the film congratulating Steve for bringing everyone to the location in Siberia. He wasn't betting on it Zemo just evolved with the plot and I feel there was enough on screen to communicate that.
pretty much what I saw as well. Zemo didn't fail. He divided the Avengers.
He had plan similiar to Lex.Heroes fighting with each others...
His motivations were same like other two characters from movie so his motivations were not original and generic.
Panther mad because dad was killed.
Zemo mad because kid was killed.
Stark mad because dad and mom were killed.
Good analysis.
did no one catch falcon saying "when i look out the window i better not see someone flying in that" when his wings was taken. maybe teasing vulture in the upcoming spiderman movie
Very good!
hmmmm considering Black Panther made his wings in the comics those Vulture rumors are looking a bit more legit. Nice
+sigbin tinapay
I like it.
Spider-Schnepp, Spider-Schnepp,
Does whatever a sweaty can.
Spins some Docs, any size,
Catches comics just like flies.
Flavor! Here comes the Spider-Schnepp.
on campea about zemo "magically knowing stark would figure it out and head to siberea". yes. yes he would. stark has been predictably consistent since phase 1 - stark correcta his own mistakes. this is a psychological thriller. zemo showed excellent psychological manipulation. this guy managed to decrypt shield files. he studied the avengers for a year. he knows about bucky and the color of cap's eyes. his plan makes sense.
this
+Moist Von Lipwig I agree with campea 100%. major plot hole
+Rodimusbill ofcourse you agree with campea lol your avatar is all we need.... i am not even ask what plot hole is... get over the sulking DC fan boy
+Hugo GONÇALVES I love both marvel and dc. if you can't see the plot holes in civil war then your a marvel fanboy and should not be taken seriously
Rodimusbill you are a dc fanboy am i asking you about it? I didnt say there werent... i said that is you that cant be taken seriouslly
People forget about the ending of the Winter Soldier - Black Widow released all the Hydra data into the public. Everything, including the information regarding Winter Soldier's operations - everything that was digital was there. The only thing Zemo actually needed is the tape. Every single piece of information that led him to that he was able to decrypt because he has these skills.
I don't care what anyone says, Zemo was a very good villain. He was never advertised nor made out to be a super powered villain.
+Ali Khan for some reason everyone wants a joker/loki villan this days...
glad amy brought up the scene with the pens every review ive watched/read no one has talked about that scene, i think it might have been one of the most important ones. they come to an agreement then tony tells cap about wanda then cap realizes "nope were not on the same page" and thats when he "plants" himself and right there decides to not be moved
Exactly, people who say the motives were weak need to pay attention to this lol.
I love how I go to these movies high af and have a great time and forget certain things but videos like this allow me to reminisce without paying another 12$
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+FKTV They must have been high af as well, because they only went over the highlights and forgot to actually analyze the movie. WOOO! THE FIGHT! WOOO! SPIDERMAN! WOOO! BLACK PANTHER! Oops, I just jizzed in my pants.
+FKTV Precisely! I had a pcookie and don't remember the movie... but now I do that they reminded me lol
Ayy lmao dank 👽
You guys are too good. I had smiles throughout this like the movie.
100% agree with Schnepp on Zemo. Sorry Campea.
This show was awesome - thanks guys! a nice hour of geeking out!
Zemo finds the tape at the Siberia base. He couldn't just send the tape by fedex. But he would've if Tony did not go there. Zemo was there to kill the super soldiers first, Tony showing up was a bonus for him. Although he definitely hoped for that to happen since he made the effort to lead Tony there and set up the tape
I really liked that Iron Man/Spider-Man observation Amy did around 33:05 , really cool stuff. That's the kind of stuff that makes films great. Awesome conversation guys and I liked Zemo btw.
I kinda have to disagree with John on the fact that what Zemo did was chance. It wasn't, it was chess. He puts in Buckeys that they he was looking for the other Winter Soldiers(thus the reason Buckey and Cap goes there). He puts into motion Tony believing Cap by basically revealing himself (by tell the made to come up to the room and she finds the body of the real doctor that was supposed to get Buckey). The only thing that was by chance was the fact that Falcon had to tell him the location but even then he knew they weren't pass the point of no return.
Zemo works because he did what Loki and Ultron never did n that was tear the avengers apart. He didn't have to be there as the big baddie but he needed to be there
It was half chance and half calculated.
Chance:
1.The guy he killed being chosen to interrogate The Winter Soldier in fact it's unbelievable. The most important security landmark in the world and they do not validate credentials come on that's "FUCKING UNBELIEVABLE".
2. There being a camera in the exact location where Bucky kills his parents again "FUCKING UNBELIEVABLE" as well as the fact that Hydra has a video of it in a bunker located all the way in Russia again "FUCKING UNBELIEVABLE".
3. Zemo getting the book that activates the winter soldier. Why in the fuck is it not with HYDRA. They are still active so they should have known about the Super Soldiers and especially that book. Again "FUCKING UNBELIEVABLE". Just look at how preminent HYDRA is on Agents of SHIELD.
4. Getting the Avengers to destroy each other just buy framing Bucky. It's believable but can not be calculated.
5. Him getting the information to Tony/ Iron Man. That requires so much disbelief. Where would he send it to. Would Tony ever open the information if he never managed to find out where Captain and Bucky were going to.
Calculated:
1. Getting the information from the Hydra data dump at the end of the winter soldier. Him decrypting that information to track down the former Hydra agent.
2. Him setting up Bucky and starting the man Hunt.
3. Him trying to get information from December 16th, 1991 that he found in the data dump.
Conclusion it requires to much disbelief in order to believe half of what Zemo tries to do. The chances are so low that it would happen that way that it takes away from everything he did in the movie.
+KingofDemise666 lol love your breakdown. loved the movie but after I left the movie I remember thinking, wait a minute - how did he know this or this would happen - hmmm
they didnt see that coming
I disagree with John I thought spiderman being there made sense. Tony didn't want to hurt Cap at that point and having seen what Spiderman could do with his webs I think he thought maybe the kid could restrain cap and bring him in under control.
Also disagree with John. I think Tony and crew showing up in Siberia was coincidence. He went there to get the film and when the Avengers show up he's just like, eh screw it lets do it now. I can see his point I just took it differently.
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+Justin Carpenter Yup, but the rest of Campea's points were very good. I ADORED this movie.
Yeah because Jessica Jones would have said fuck off, Luke cage is hiding his powers and daredevil has no powers, you need more than just parkor to fight and widow and hawk or superspies. Daredevil would have been irresponsible, Parker has powers.
+Shawn Deezy Black Widow and Hawkeye have no powers.
Holy fucking shit just randomly checked the feed and this was here! What an amazing sweaty surprise!!!
Same here. I'm glad they didn't do this on Heros yesterday. Awesome surprise.
DustingBread
Yeah, I like that we had a traditional Heroes show yesterday so we could have this full on Special surprise haha
+Tony LeeIm Normally I wouldn't class a "sweaty surprise" as something good, this however, is indeed an amazing sweaty surprise!!!
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Hahahaha Right?! Very good point, this is the epitome of a good "sweaty surprise"..
i’m here again just to hear and see Jon
zemo's plan worked very well! he called room service which led to the reveal that real psychiatrist was dead! and let iron man knew Steve was telling truth
Robert really nailed Civil War in his first statement. perfectly put.
That Spider-Man sweater tho
+Jordan Wayne Hahaha the Amazing Schnepp
I really love this Show! ... And I really loved this conversation on Captain America, Civil War.
Majority feels Zemo was a good villain, I just dnt know what more you want from him. At the end he won, his motivates were legit, then his plan was to drive the Avengers apart was successful. Like how many villains from Fox Marvel Universe, DC and MCU where the villain actual wins at the end and their plan actually succeed? Not that many
half of his plan
He not won lol.He had similiar plan to Lex Luthor....
To force heroes to fight with each other.
His motivations were boring and generic.Too many characters had the same motivations in this movie so Zemo had not original at all.
+mrcooldeadly85 Zemo would be better if he was behind registration,if he had costume like in comics,if he was a Baron and leader of Hydra who maybe lost his innocent family,and they should show flashback how Zemo is finding his dead family and looking at Avengers fighting in the sky.
Crossbones should be a soldier of Hydra,he should survive entire movie,and then after Zemo is defeated or killed,he have his final laugh,because Crossbones after that would kill Cap or someone else.That would way better.
Zemo motivations in movie were the same like many other characters in the same movie,a death of family member,because of that his motivations were not so original and had 0 impact.
+mrcooldeadly85 Watchmen is from DC,and that movie had bad,shocking ending,very brave and original.
Tnx guys.. Great show. Awesome geek out fest over everything Civil War! :D And, of course, enthusiamy sweet as ever. ^^ Keep it sweaty :D
Zemo is my favorite MCU villian tbh.
yea he was cold throughout the movie. He was wasted in the third act tho
Jason Becker I agree
Here for schnepp...Miss him so much
I wanna know where Schnepp got that Spider-Man sweater...great sweat filled review by the way!
I liked your analogy bw the sokovia accords and the winter soldier, I never thought about it that way. Also, I understood more than other arguments, the way Tony and black widow both pretty much stated that they were signing the accords bc if they don't something a lot worse would happen, like internment (i.e. Scarlett witch).
What a great surprise
+Thomas Dixon No it wasn't, everyone knew about it.
THIS is the sweaty spoiler review I've been waiting for!!!
best Superhero movie to date, and Zemo was a great villain. He actually succeeds and is still alive. That's a win, maybe he'll come back.
Best scene from the airport is Black Panther letting the arrows blow up in his face and when he just goes "I don't care" when Clint introduces himself
I still think Winter Soldier is a tighter, better story, but Civil War is easily MCUs best
-Fantastic writing that balanced over 12 characters
-Action on par or somehow better than Winter Soldier
-Somehow manages to be the darkest/most serious MCU film AND the funniest (to me)
-The best superhero action scene in all of cinema (BvS warehouse/Winter Soldier/ and Spider-Man 2 train fight all come close)
-This is Cap 3, Iron Man 4, and Avengers 2.5 and still well balanced
-For me, best Spidey hands down! I get Campea's point that we only saw him for 2 scenes, but those 2 scenes captured Spider-Man better than all 5 films (Tobey was fantastic though)
-Avoids cliches (Cap, Bucky, and Tony fighting 5 super soldiers)
-A good Villian that suffers from no screen time
-Perfect introduction to Black Panther
-Nothing feels too forced (not even Spider-Man)
Cons:
-You can nitpick certain things about Zemo's plan
-They went over Peggy's death too fast. This is Cap's number one gal who he wanted a future with, but never got the chance to have one. I wanted a little bit more
-Bucky and Steve NEVER address Peggy and I found that odd
-Steve says Bucky is a victim but we never really see how Bucky's emotionally dealing with it (the line "I remember all of them" was great though)
the interaction between T'challa and Hawkeye during the airport scene was pretty good as well
If Kevin Feige is our lord and savior, then RM Burnette is our Holy Ghost
Zemo was an amazing villan.
He was neither a super robot, an alien or a god.
He was simply a man.
A man filled with hatred, with the patience and cold intelligence to fulfill his vengeance exactly as he wanted.
And the best part is that it was the Avengers that essentially created him.
it still bothers me how Robert keeps saying the Slovakia Accords... its Sokovia, c'mon Hot Toys
lol hot toys
Awesome Surprise Thanks Schnepp!!
I think Zemi went over your head, he was awesome and he won
Yea I loved him
me2 I thought he was justified in what he did
+twistoffate314 I thought his plan was logical enough, he planed for Tony to find the real doc. body so he would learn about Zemo himself and go after them. And he succeed too. No problem with Zemo at all... why people criticize him?
same can be said for lex, many people just saw the way he acted, but not his motivation
One of the best Collider shows yet and I watch daily! Dude, when Ant Man turned into Giant Man I lost my mind. My jaw dropped and I was like "No freaking way!". Best Marvel movie yet...Winter Soldier is a close, close 2nd to me. Freaking Spider Man...perfect! Freaking Black Panther...awesome! Tony and Steve...holy crap, man...awesome! That's it...I'm going to the theater.....
campea is trying so hard to find cons in the movie.
Nah. They are there. There is actually a lot.
anas 233 sorry. Just my opinion.
+anas 233 There's several issues with the movie. It's not even close to as bad as BvS, for sure. But it's not a perfect movie. Pay attention to the background details, and quit jizzing over the action.
As for Zeemo, I don't think him revealing the tape to Ironman was specifically meant to happen in Siberia. I think Zeemo's plan could have happened ANYWHERE, it just happened to happen when it did, because Tony showed up.
I think Cap will get a new shield from T'Challa in the Black Panther movie.
+David Del Pozo Filíu ooooooooooooooooooo l like the way you think
MsLm97 I usually do, too XD (Thanks)
I liked this video before even clicking play because I've been waiting for this since I saw the movie :D
Campea is entitled to his opinion, but I disagree with him about Zemo.
Same here. He is the only villain to actually have his plans succeed and tore the Avengers apart.
+FEBAGames I understand why you say that but I'm with John, but personally I think if there was no Zemo I feel I would like it better.
+FEBAGames
Maybe if they hadn't called him Zemo, it might have come off better. If you follow the comics even a little bit, the name Zemo carries with it certain expectations of and assumptions about the character. It just seemed like they took a generic bad guy, albeit with a justifiable motivation for tearing the Avengers apart, and tacked on the name Zemo because they felt like they needed a baddie from the comics to be the orchestrator of chaos in this movie. In other words, they wasted the name on a generic bad guy when they could have had any vengeful genius-level guy be the one to set things in motion and saved the Zemo people know for later. Maybe by keeping him alive at the end they can still do that in future movies, but until that happens, it was a waste of the name and character of Zemo.
+Cj Concannon I've read the comics since 1969/70. This isn't the comics, it's alternative. Since 2008 they've been adapting from the comics, changing whatever they think is necessary.
In this story, the name wasn't necessary, but even though they used it I did not expect the silly mask, nor the history. That would have been too much for the film.
However as you say, there's still the future and if they want to use him again they have a brilliant origin story here, the only man to defeat the Avengers. That's a great starting point.
+tonybcamara Well, we'll agree to differ :-)
Hey guys, so you know, and im referring to 49:00, the antman and wasp movie will be out AFTER avengers infinty war part 1!
Which is weird. I wanna know how that ties in to infinity war part 2 if it does at all.
RJCXDOfficial what about thanos killing most of the avengers and antman is like.. wtf should i do... then i goes back and trains wasp to fight thanos...
I love Zemo and I think he'll be a big player in later films
+Joel Dalangin Zemo is going to be the main villain in Suicide Squad and Dr. Strange.
Stan Lee had one of the most quotable lines in the movie with the "Tony Stank" line
Everyone in the comments already ranting about Zemo was actually good. I'll add. 😎 How many comic book movie villains have as much depth as Loki? I think the "bad villains in Marvel" comment is Hyperbole. It may be true in some cases, but Redfield was good. Bucky, Ronan, and yes, Ultron were good. Other movies... Obviously, Joker from TDK. But any others really? Magneto is less of a villain in the X-men movies cause he's been working in tandem with the good guys or, now, working for another villain. It's internet hyperbole.
+Avi P Take The Dark Knight trilogy. Ra's al Ghul, Scarecrow, Falcone, Joker, Harvey Dent, Maroni, and Bane were all memorable villains. In three movies, they created twice the memorable villains that Marvel has in 13. I loved Zemo, but Marvel is weaker in the villains department, plain and simple. Bucky is not even a villain anymore, and Loki is more of an antihero, so they took 2 of their best and turned them into non-villains.
Colin Paine Scarecrow wasn't much but a filler for Ra's. Bane? I don't agree. Nobody is wearing Ra's Al Ghul shirts. Dent wasn't a villain until the end. Counter to your point about Bucky. Falcone and Maroni were typical Mafioso's. My point is, that it's more complaining to complain. The movies are great and the villains do what they are supposed to.
+Avi P I suppose they do what they are supposed to do, but that doesn't make them good villains. It just makes them MacGuffins. They're not well defined characters in their own right. Dent may not have been a villain until the end, but the reason I cared was because he was a real character. What was Malekith's motivation? To be a bad guy? Loki, Bucky, and now Zemo are pretty well defined characters. Not many other than those.
+Colin Paine same as Bane's? If you really want to get into motivation, how to do quantify the Joker's motivation as he really has none other than, screw it I'm doing this because I can and want to.
Colin Paine I agree about Malektih. But you agree about Bucky. Who we also cared about. I'm not saying all the MCU villains were good. I'm saying there are good ones but people exaggerate. I didn't care about Maroni, Falcone, or Scarecrow. For that matter, I didn't care about Ra's Al Ghul. He had a wack plan and was just a means for Batman to become a hero. So now you just have Joker. Which goes back to my point. All this talk about the lack of good villains is clouding the fact that villains aren't always as superb as Joker or Loki. Again...hyperbole.
Schnepp nailed it, the way spider-man crawls across giant man's mask was my favorite Spidey moment!
"Come on man, Bird costume?"
Great video. I enjoyed the conversation.
I bet my roommate $5 Giant-Man would show up in the movie. During the Airport sequence he threw his money in the air 😂😂
+MacMe.143 Did he scream "TOTALLY WORTH IT!!!"
+MacMe.143 If only he knew you cheated.
Y'all knocked it out of the park today.
The reason why I say Tom Holland is the best Spider-Man, is because in those scenes I didn't see an actor, or a stuntman in a costume, or written lines. I saw Tony Stark meeting Peter Parker, and then I saw Spider-Man. Everything about him was just exactly how I see that character. I enjoy Toby, and Garfield I really liked but they were never both characters. Toby was a good(not great) Parker. While Garfield was a good(not great) Spider-Man. It felt like the way I did when I first read the Ultimate Spider-Man, just the perfect combination of everything that makes that character great. Spider-Man's trademark is not his quips, it is his unfourtune. Everything that kid does goes somehow to shit, but what makes him great is that he fights against the bad things with his optimism and humor. When he said ''You know I was really having a good day today mr. Stark. Didn't miss my train, this perfectly good dvdplayer was just laying there and algebra test... nailed it.'' That was the most Peter Parker line ever spoken in any movie ever. It says so much about him that these are things that genuenly excites him when he can do the things he can do, and the subtext in that these things really does not happen often. He was perfect.
Zemo, being my favorite villain in the Marvel Comics, even though he was not true to his origin in the slightest was a fantastic villain to this movie. He was pulling the strings behind the scenes (as opposed to kidnapping one of their mothers😒) and he successfully did that. There were no flaws and no conveniences.... It was all Zemo behind the scenes. We haven't seen his full potential yet and I say he was fantastic with the hope that we haven't seen the end of him yet. He will wear the purple crown at some point, I know it. And I've got my fingers crossed for a masters of evil story line.
Yeah I know, I know. lol. Yes! That would be SO cool!
Campea= the man who says Zemos plan was pointless but argued that Lex Luthers plan made sense.
The thing that tied Tony into the final scene was finding the body of the original psychologist in the BNB. Zemo called ahead to set up his breakfast delivery, revealing the dead body and the Bucky mask. That was the trigger that pulled Tony away from chasing Bucky and believing the Cap/Bucky story that he was being framed.
Yo can we get the collider heroes cast to do comic book movie commentaries? that would be awesome!
"Living splash page" perfect
He is the first Peter Parker/Spiderman that sounds like he comes from Queens.
Nope i'm from Sweden, but I'm studying English at university.
I could talk about this movie for hours.
You saved my boring Wednesday!
+DustingBread You wasn't planning to do anything exciting today?
+A New Challenger I have no life :(
It's like Campea didn't even pay attention to the movie. Thank god that the guy to the left of him actually paid attention to what was going on with Zemo. Campea's been bitchin about Zemo on all the Collider shows and It's nice to read the comment sections and see everyone calling him on it.
Gosh so glad John is gone from Movie Talk.
Not just me then?
+Michele Fusco He brought balance and credibility to the show. Not it's only a fanfest for Marvel.
+plExEFile
It's not a fan fest for Marvel now.
I bummed no one on the panel talked abt Cap hero moment... "Chopper Scene". Cap brought down a freaking Helicopter. How insanely cool was that scene...
You guys never talk about Tony's final words to Steve: "That shield doesn't belong to you. You don't deserve it. My father made that shield!". I'd like to hear your opinions on that.
+chimofcb92 good point. would be nice to hear their opinion on that
Can we talk about how beautiful the trailers set everything up and yet revealed so little? the way that they put audio on a few off shots, and things like painting it like it was Bucky who shot down WarMachine, and the total surprise that this has anything to do with IronMan's dad?
Did any one else get that Buick commercial?
I get that Damn Buick commercial every time I watch a video! I will NEVER buy one for sure now!
+Master Edi lmao
if i ever meet that actress in person am going to jail
+Doug Habte
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Great discussion.
I think Peter Parker was put into the universe perfectly and that the flow felt right. Especially with how Tony Stark operates. And even though he was only in the movie for about 20 minutes, I don't think it's jumping the gun or being presumptuous to say he's the best there's ever been. That was all it took to realize that he's better than the previous attempts to bring that character to life on screen.
And Zemo was by far the most intelligent, well-done villain in any of the Marvel movies. They used him brilliantly, and he tied this movie together so well, and he was completely necessary in the movie.
Campeas hate on Zemo is starting to piss me off
He's no Loki, but this version of Zemo is probably the second best villain they've had.
+Gabe McDowell I wish they'd put a time mark to skip it... and do it in every video from now on.
+Marcelo Zacarias true but he puts it out like its gospel... jthen he looks around while he's talking about it like he wants others on the panel to agree
An extra Collider Heroes and it's dedicated to Civil War to boot!! Most excellent!
James? Falcon's name is Sam Wilson
+TrueFatherSankofa Rhodey and Bucky are both James
so used to War Machine being called Rhodey I forgot his name was James, lol
This show has really hit its stride quite well now that Amy Dallen and Robert Meyer Burnett have for the most part become a regular part of the show. They have great insightful views that others miss and make great points to support those views. They are also on the show to talk about heroes and what they love and not to push some personal agenda that some guests have used this show for.
Zemo was unbelievably great he's what Lex Luthor should've been in BVS and in the end he won he broke the avengers
Spidey's introduction was fairly organic. It's a little bit that Tony wants to be a mentor, but it's also that he KNOWS that Cap isn't going to hurt a kid. It's kind of a cheap move, but it makes a lot of sense.
Also...
Zemo was introduced in Cap 2. :-) He's one of the hostages at the beginning.