Hey Myles, "The Protestant!" Here are some quets from the founder of YOUR church (Presbyterian) John Calvin: "The Popish hierarchy I execrate as diabolical confusion, established for the very purpose of making God Himself to be despised, and of exposing Christian religion to mockery and scorn." John Calvin: "Although the devil has long reigned in the Papacy, yet he could not altogether extinguish God's grace: nay, a church is among them." John Calvin: " referred to "Popery" as "patches sewed together, taken out of every kind of superstitions, not only geathen and Jewish, but likewise such as have been recently contrived by Satan." Is. IV:416 Would you like me to bring quotes from John Knox...?
Congrats! You just learned about John Calvin. Impressive. Aside from the remedial error of thinking Presbyterianism started with him lol We go back to the Church of Scotland, but good try. C- effort on your part. And "Presbyterian" is a type of church governance, not a "church." We believe in the one Church that you guys call apostate yet at the same time you ride our coattails and claim to be the true Protestants lol “By the unity of the church, we must understand a unity into which we feel persuaded that we are truly ingrafted. For unless we are united with all the other members under Christ our head, no hope of the future inheritance awaits us. Hence the church is called Catholic or Universal (Augustine, Epist. 48) for two or three cannot be invented without dividing Christ; and this is impossible. All the elect of God are so joined together in Christ, that as they depend on one head, so they are as it is compacted into one body, being knit together like its different members; made truly one by living together under the same Spirit of God in one faith, hope, and charity, called not only to the same inheritance of eternal life, but to participation in one God and Christ. For although the sad devastation which everywhere meets our view may proclaim that no church remains, let us know that the death of Christ produces fruit, and that God wonderfully preserves his church, while placing it as it were in concealment. Thus it was said of Elijah, “Yet I have left me seven thousand in Israel” (1 Kings 19:18).”-John Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion, BOOK 4, CHAPTER 1, SECTION 2 Yeah, John Calvin didn't believe the same thing you do about Babylon and the true Church. He wouldn't have even viewed you as a Christian, guy. ”These Holy Scriptures teach us that in this one sole and simple divine essence, whom we have confessed, there are three Persons: the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit. The Father, first cause, principle, and origin of all things. The Son, his Word and eternal wisdom. The Holy Spirit, his virtue, power, and efficacy. The Son begotten from eternity by the Father. The Holy Spirit proceeding eternally from them both; the three persons not confused, but distinct, and yet not separate, but of the same essence, equal in eternity and power. And in this we confess that which has been established by the ancient councils, and we detest all sects and heresies which were rejected by the holy doctors, such as St. Hilary, St. Athanasius, St. Ambrose, and St. Cyril.”-John Calvin, Gallican (French) Confession His French Confession of Faith literally anathematizes Adventism and Adventists as sectarians out of step with the ancient faith. Didn't say this about Roman Catholics despite his serious frustrations with the magisterial body including the Pope. So he considered Roman Catholics Christians but wouldn't consider Adventists. How ironic considering you citing him. Furthermore, there's American Presbyterianism, German Presbyterianism, etc. And these all refer to movements within the one Church. So the fact that you can't even distinguish between presbyterianism as a movement versus what Presbyterians as individuals believe about the one holy, catholic church, shows you just googled quotes and copy and pasted them. John Calvin would have anathematized you, dude. He denounced all sectarians who departed from the ancient faith contained in the Christian creeds. So citing his denunciations of the Papal office as though that's some revelatory mind blow again only shows you probably don't even know what you're citing from or anything about John Calvin for that matter.
@answeringadventism You keep embarrassing yourself every time you encounter me, Myles. Protestantism did start with John Calvin and John Knox. You can lie to yourself, but don't lie to me. In regads to Calvin's quote. 1538 John Calvin was a "failed pastor," (and by the way, let that be a lesson to you Myles particularly when someone who's young, dumb, and impetus) but Martin Bucer recovered or redeemed Calvin and helped him continue to convert city of Geneva for the Reformation to combat Catholicism. In the cities of Strassburg, where Bucer mentored Calvin to become a proper pastor that God wanted him to be. 1541 Calvin was threatened by Cardinal Jacopo Sadoleto to convert Geneva back to Catholicism. That is when Calvin wrote the most influential work of his lifetime called "Reply to Jadoleto." You should read it, Myles! It will expose how lying hypocrite you are about Calvin and what you're doctrine in regard to Catholicism and your sectarian church that calls herself Presbyterian is all about. You are right about one thing (surprisingly). If John Calvin saw YOU in his church today... He would sink the entire Presbyterian ship to the bottomless pit and set sail in the Adventist bout.
@@russiansvoloch “Protestantism did start with John Calvin” 😂😂 Mercy the amount of historical revisionism and error in your comment is mind boggling. And you apparently believe it to be fact. Calvin’s dialogue with Sadoletto is his most prominent work ever?! 😂😂😂😂😂 No, goober. his Institues are. Without question. Which I just showed you an excerpt from that plainly states he didn’t have the sectarian view of the church that you restorationist heretics have. “Sectarian church called Presbyterian” Again, Presbyterian is a type of church governance, not a church. You’re a clueless goofball. Your own “church” claims to affirm a Presbyterian form of government. LOL You’re an Adventist. You calling others sectarian is rich. All you evidenced here is your ignorance around actual history and that you’re a Google historian. Congrats, you went on Google and regurgitated half baked talking points. John Calvin would have anathematized you, buddy. You can reimagine that he would have followed after your sectarian cult and prophetess but that’s all you’re doing-imagining. The French confession of faith condemns you as a heretic. Calvin was an ardent monergist and his entire framework for theology flows out of that. But yeah, he totally would have been down with your synergistic, anti-creedal, anti-historical, anti-gospel, law gospel distinction denying, restorationist sect that sprang out of false date setting and fanaticism from false prophets. 😂😂😂😂😂
Hi Myles, I live in South Africa and was an SDA at around the time Walter Veith "converted" from being a Catholic to being an SDA. He claims that he was converted by an adventist carpenter who was busy installing new kitchen cabinets for him back in the 90s. I've always suspected him of being a "Jesuit" mole into the SDA church. I left the SDA church back in 2000.
Yes. Isn't Veith the one who said "they" have to tell you what "they're" doing? So he lays out the case for Jesuit infiltration again & again & again ad infinitum... Hmm. Is he saying what he's doing? I listened to his testimony of conversion back when I first heard of him (15 years ago?), but I had no idea how kooky SDAism was at that time. I remember him saying he questioned the little box on the wall of RCC sanctuaries that supposedly contain God when the red light is on... Looking back now I'm like: "You're SDA now & you thought THAT was kooky?" I mean it boggles the mind. RCC idiosyncrasies pale in comparison to SDA scifi action-adventure romantic fantasies not to mention green-cord divination & the whole 9 yards.
I can't believe I used to watch this guy (Veith). 🤦🏻♀️ I had NO idea he was SDA, nor that he was promoting & supposedly "proving" SDA eschatology at the time - I just thought it was interesting "hidden history" (re: secret societies & such). Someone had sent me a free set of Amazing Discoveries DVDs & looking back now I realize that the person who sent the DVDs was probably SDA & thought they were "evangelizing" people into SDAism by so doing. Now I thank God that I am not by nature a "joiner" or I very well might have fallen into that trap.
@@kimartist that’s how they win all sorts of people to the “truth.” Conspiracies, half truths, and gnostic ideas of “special” insight and knowledge that no one else has supposedly. So come join them so you can be in the know.
That is how I got introduced to SDA stuff, as well. A coworker started giving me DVDs. I thought nothing of it at first. I had no problem with the idea of watching them. I thought it would be another interesting look into eschatology, as I had been looking at lots of different end-time scenarios at the time. Then I actually watched the DVD, and I was shocked at its looniness. I had forgotten all about that. Thanks for the reminder. SDAs like to project a normal front, but their stuff is absolutely bonkers on the back end. There is no need to mince words about this. Ellen White was crazy and built a system of crazy.
Myles, you'll appreciate this one....."you're a Jesuit plant." lol I cannot tell you how many Adventists respond this way. As if the Roman Catholic Church cares about a group with horrible exegesis, lies about its membership numbers and growth, and models a leadership and tithe structure like their own. If you aren't a former Adventist, then you won't get the Jesuit stuff. It's everywhere in the churches. I think there is at least one or two people in every SDA church that is gobbling up Veith's conspiracies as truth. Ironically enough, Veith is a part of a group of Adventists that condemn the mainstream SDA church lol Anyways, keep up the good work man.
That's what gets me. Sda acts like Christianity is plotting to to get them but the reality is that no one cares. Especially no one cares that they go to church on Saturdays. The only time any of care is when they come accusing us of not loving God, don't want to obey, we are in Babylon etc. Other than that most people don't even know what an sda is.
@@truthingrace3594 SDAs have probably the biggest persecution complex of any group in the world. Their whole system is built on how they're so much better than everyone else because they worship on Saturdays and that everyone else despises them and is out to get them for the same reason, but the reality is that they're one of the least persecuted groups in the world, and have been for most of their history. As you said, most non-SDAs either don't know they exist or are indifferent to them. They puff themselves up on pride and trick themselves into thinking they're some kind of great martyrs by intentionally and hypocritically misinterpreting any form of criticism or irritation at/retaliation for their own habit of bashing non-SDAs as "persecution"...
No one could EVER convince me to be a Sadventist (or any of the other groups that are essentially the same thing: Mormons, JWs or self-proclaimed "Christian Scientists"), even if the alternative to being one was a very unpleasant form of martyrdom...
@@MargaretAshigbadi They don't. All of them started in the 19th Century in the northeastern US as a product of swindlers posing as "prophets" who were taking advantage of the combination of the poor education and addiction to emotionally-driven "revivals" that could peddle just about anything in the name of "revival" and get a huge following out of it, even if their teachings weren't even remotely Christian. Asking "what if they have the truth?" is on the same level of asking "what if you really do get rich quick by giving your life savings to that nice exiled prince of this or that country who 'just needs to borrow your money to help him reclaim his rightful throne'?" Scams are scams, including "religion-flavored" scams...
An adventist is one who believes Jesus is coming again. It's what the word means. The "coming" or "appearance" (the advent of television, for example)..... In Christian theology it means the advent of Jesus (His 2nd coming). By saying you will NEVER be an adventist you are (by your own words) denying the 2nd coming of Jesus. But I really doubt this is the case with you. It's the fact that they believe in the 7th-day Sabbath. For this you believe you can judge them. And this alone goes against Col 2:16.
So has Veith had any recent sermons or videos on the fact his Public Relations Director, Diop has had meeting with the pope and doing the exact thing the Adventiss have been warning people about for nearly 200 years?
Huge surprise for me when I left Adventism was after actually reading the New Testament realizing that Jerusalem is the whore of Babylon. Adventism made me paranoid about Catholics and Catholicism. Now as a Catholic I can say with confidence they were very wrong about Catholicism.
“But but, the Roman’s Catholic Church invented that belief to keep you from REALLY knowing who the whore of Babylon is-THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH! REEEEEEEE!!!!!!!”
@@answeringadventism I straight up thought that by going to mass I was literally going to worship satan… Or that they were going to crucify Christ over and over again somehow… to top it off I straight up believed they were going to come for me once Sunday law was decreed… To those who I don’t know I tell them Adventism is a cult, to those who I know are in the rabbit hole I call it for what I believe it is- sorcery/trickery. All for power and fame. They have made a name for themselves and are losing their money for every Adventist that leaves. They are so autisticly focused on promoting their obscure beliefs in order to keep the cash flow. Used car sales religion. Anyone notice that almost 9 out of 10 sda pastors suffers from some form of high religious narcissism? Their speech is full of pride and slander. Anyway, I can talk ears off, God bless you Myles 🙏🏻
It's amazing when you realize what Babylon is. You will find many won't believe Jerusalem is the whore. They will mock you, attack you and won't accept it's a non salvific matter. ✌️🤠
That guy is in tribulation scripture teaching salvation for the church age, the church is long gone during tribulation, salvation in Revelation is faith and works by keeping the law of Moses........>>>{{{ Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. }}} ↑↑↑↑↑ Commandments and faith, that not Pauls gospel for the church age, Paul is teaching Ephe 2:8-9, Titus 3:5....... What did Paul say about teaching another gospel................
Many waters where the woman sits: “And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. ” Revelation 17:15 KJV
@@arthurandteresabeem7142 because he’s peddling false conspiracies about Roman Catholicism. Par for the course with Veith who thinks the Jesuits are behind all of the worlds evils.
Myles can u take a time and start teaching us the book of revelation because most words they use are in the bible .so that we can have the correct meaning to it .
He won't. He can't. Unless he can teach prophecy in exact accordance with his church he will be declared anathema/heretic/cut off from Christ. All you will get is a purely denominational view. You won't get anything truly biblically based from him.
What is the de facto message of Revelation 17 without question? Do you have a better interpretation to debunk Veith's? You seem to be hyper focused on what others teach, but you don't seem to know how to teach the scriptures yourself.
Hey Myles "The Protestant." Response to 2:42 of your video.... Rev 17:15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. But you already know that, huh Myles. I don't have to tell you anything you already know. Between us two, Myles, who is Babylon?
@@russiansvoloch hey Russian “the projector,” why don’t you simply do your own homework? answeringadventism.com/who-is-babylon-in-revelation/ On top of the fact that we have numerous videos on the subject. Lazy Adventist
Stop teaching blindly adding and taking away from the already fully completed WRITTEN WORD❤of Christ. The ONLY Teacher and Comforter of this New Earth in Christ; is Jesus himself the Kingdom within the faithful men in The Holy Ghost. You are the very false christs Jesus said, would come in his name (christians) but inward are ravening wolves. You must know that the millenial reign happened in the first thousand years after the END of the Apostles commission that symbolises the END of that First six day created world. We have been in the New Creation in Christ UNSEEN as He has been and is with men in the Holy Ghost. Satan has been loosed again and so is the covering of the face of this New Earth in False christs, False prophets, False teachers, preachers in the name of Christ😏christians.
You keep saying what the SDAs have wrong about their prophetic but you never state what you think the prophecies are actually saying. It's just dis this and dis that but nothing about what the bible actually says. Why is that? Oh and; yada yada yada.
@@OCapologetics There is no yes or no answer to that. The book of Revelation is not the only place where biblical prophecies can be found. For the most part (but with few exceptions) each particular vision/prophecy is usually in chronological order. Daniel chapter 2 is a prime example. But the vision in chapter 2 ends with Jesus' eternal kingdom. So obviously the vision in chapter 7 cannot be chronologically AFTER chapter 2. The 2 prophecies actually run parallel with each other even though the vision in chapter 7 was given after chapter 2, etc. Daniel chapter 11 is another example of a chronological vision (whatever the word is for that). Yet it begins with the Persian empire. Obviously cannot be an event AFTER Jesus' kingdom in chapter 2. Yet he vision was given to Daniel years after Nebuchadnezzar had died. The book of Revelation has several prophecies in it. Naturally the 7 trumpets (chapters 8 and 9 if not mistake) follow in chronological order. So do the 7 last plagues (chapter 16). The events in each vision would be chronological but not necessarily the visions themselves. Of course the plagues of Rev 16 must come AFTER the warning about receiving those plagues in chapter 18.
@@OCapologetics There is no yes or no answer to that. The book of Revelation is not the only place where biblical prophecies can be found. For the most part (but with few exceptions) each particular vision/prophecy is usually in chronological order. Daniel chapter 2 is a prime example. But the vision in chapter 2 ends with Jesus' eternal kingdom. So obviously the vision in chapter 7 cannot be chronologically AFTER chapter 2. The 2 prophecies actually run parallel with each other even though the vision in chapter 7 was given after chapter 2, etc. Daniel chapter 11 is another example of a chronological vision (whatever the word is for that). Yet it begins with the Persian empire. Obviously cannot be an event AFTER Jesus' kingdom in chapter 2. Yet he vision was given to Daniel years after Nebuchadnezzar had died. The book of Revelation has several prophecies in it. Naturally the 7 trumpets (chapters 8 and 9 if not mistake) follow in chronological order. So do the 7 last plagues (chapter 16). The events in each vision would be chronological but not necessarily the visions themselves. Of course the plagues of Rev 16 must come AFTER the warning about receiving those plagues in chapter 18.
There is no yes or no answer to that. The book of Revelation is not the only place where biblical prophecies can be found. For the most part (but with few exceptions) each particular vision/prophecy is usually in chronological order. Daniel chapter 2 is a prime example. But the vision in chapter 2 ends with Jesus' eternal kingdom. So obviously the vision in chapter 7 cannot be chronologically AFTER chapter 2. The 2 prophecies actually run parallel with each other even though the vision in chapter 7 was given after chapter 2, etc. Daniel chapter 11 is another example of a chronological vision (whatever the word is for that). Yet it begins with the Persian empire. Obviously cannot be an event AFTER Jesus' kingdom in chapter 2. Yet he vision was given to Daniel years after Nebuchadnezzar had died. The book of Revelation has several prophecies in it. Naturally the 7 trumpets (chapters 8 and 9 if not mistake) follow in chronological order. So do the 7 last plagues (chapter 16). The events in each vision would be chronological but not necessarily the visions themselves. Of course the plagues of Rev 16 must come AFTER the warning about receiving those plagues in chapter 18.
@@davidstarr6604 yeah, I agree with that, there’s a variance to where eschatology is found within the Bible, absolutely. My second question would be has Gods kingdom already come? Is Jesus already reigning as king and high priest? Is “Gods Kingdom”, established and with us presently?
A serious question, why does Veith preach for hours on end about pagan symbols and statues all around the world but doesn't have the stones to mention the ones on James and Ellie's grave? I mean you can't be one of the most noticeable preachers and preach the exact opposite of what is happening with your own founders.
@@OCapologetics What part do you not understand? Gabriel interpreted the prophecy to Daniel in that same chapter. My guess is it's the 2,300 year timeline you don't like. It's the ONLY part of the prophecy Gabriel could not explain at that time because Daniel had fainted and was sick for several days afterwards. Yet Gabriel was commissioned to make Daniel to understand the prophecy. So he had to come back later to finish the interpretation.
@@davidstarr6604 well I’m hoping you can help me understand then, I’d like to tease this out and have some fun with it. Given the context of the chapter would you assume that it’s about kingdoms right? Medes and Persians being overcome by the Greek empire right? So you’d assume that’s the context of the whole chapter, considering it actually says it. Now your interpretation (or SDA) throws that whole historical context out and says straight up that in 1844 Jesus entered the heavenly tabernacle (for arguments sake, I’ll concede that). So my question is after the 2300 days/years and Jesus cleansed the sanctuary, so what was he cleansing? You’ll probably say the “sins”, so further from that how’d sins get into the sanctuary considering you believe in soul sleep and no one is in heaven except Jesus?
@@Donatello-b4x desperate because He has nothing else to focus in life apart from criticizing SDAS, and hoping that his I deas might make him a hero anyway we have employed you a critic tattoos
@@okwijames947 Seventh-day Adventism may look, smell and taste like Christianity, but it is a worm-filled apple, rotten to the core. it needs to be exposed. Please understand that Seventh-day Adventism is a business, an organized religion, not Biblical Christianity. Satan is a master con-artist, a deceiver, whom the Bible warns appears as an angel of light (2nd Corinthians 11:13-15). Literally, the Devil and his sinister ministers are actors, pretending to be of God, but they are satanic. We are all in a spiritual war. SDA does its best to appear as a Christian organization, but it is a woeful deception of the Devil.
@@okwijames947 Just like SDAs and EGW that only thing they know to do in life is to criticize the Pope, the Protestant churches, and Roman Catholic Church! 🤓
Ephesians 5:22-25 that ye put off concerning the Former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; And be renewed in the spirit of our mind; And that ye put on the New Man, which after God is created in righteousness and True holiness.Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour:for we are members One of another "
@@okwijames947 Your thing on tattoo's. Let me be perfectly clear about Miles and tattoo's, I believe that God and washed the inside clean and we can wait for He'll move on that problem of our tattoo's we may have, in his time! Relax. Paul commands the Ephesians to stop living as the old man and instead put on the new man. He points to the means for putting on the new self in Ephesians 4:23, namely, that one be renewed in the spirit of the mind. Similar language is utilized in Romans 12:1-2 as Paul commands the church in Rome to be “transformed by the renewing of your mind.” This renewal is in direct opposition to being conformed to this world. God created the new self “in righteousness and holiness of the truth” (Ephesians 4:24, NASB). It is by truth and a pursuit of righteousness that one must renew the mind. The Bible is that source of truth (Proverbs 2:6; 2 Timothy 3:16-17). As one renews the mind in truth, one is equipped to put off the old self, put on the new self, and “live a life worthy of the calling you have received” (Ephesians 4:1). It's about your internal being not your exterior shell. God will deal with his skin problem. I have a small skin problem to cover another skin problem. I hope the problem doesn't problem you. On the other hand you still have have a sin problem.
This guy is the worst hypocrite. They break the very commands of Jesus to love one another and not bare false wtiness. This guy just lumps ALL and everybody together and charges them with sins all because he goes to church on Saturday. He has no clue what's on the hearts of anyone else regardless of how or when they worship. But we all see his nasty heart. @terrygreenman1540
Prof Walter veith teach the truth ... may God bless you all times to teach the truth ... bible says last days. mockers will come ... now is the time.. truth will will remain constant .. peoplw fight truth and grab half truth which will staisfies their desire but not Gods truth ...
I have watched Veith. He will preach hours about pagan symbols and statues all around the world. He will tell us about obelisks around the world, but he doesn't mention the one the White's grave site? Why is that?
@@claudiafranco4888 Miller was a "Manson"? Was he related to the infamous Charles Manson from a century later? Or did you mean to say Miller was a "Mason", as in a member of Freemasonry?
@@Donatello-b4xThey have this humorous article in the White Estate site talking about how it was just a popular head stone in those days! Why no one was in that club then! Such nonsense. They are liars. That’s why I left.
Hey Myles, "The Protestant!"
Here are some quets from the founder of YOUR church (Presbyterian)
John Calvin: "The Popish hierarchy I execrate as diabolical confusion, established for the very purpose of making God Himself to be despised, and of exposing Christian religion to mockery and scorn."
John Calvin: "Although the devil has long reigned in the Papacy, yet he could not altogether extinguish God's grace: nay, a church is among them."
John Calvin: " referred to "Popery" as "patches sewed together, taken out of every kind of superstitions, not only geathen and Jewish, but likewise such as have been recently contrived by Satan." Is. IV:416
Would you like me to bring quotes from John Knox...?
Congrats! You just learned about John Calvin. Impressive. Aside from the remedial error of thinking Presbyterianism started with him lol
We go back to the Church of Scotland, but good try. C- effort on your part. And "Presbyterian" is a type of church governance, not a "church." We believe in the one Church that you guys call apostate yet at the same time you ride our coattails and claim to be the true Protestants lol
“By the unity of the church, we must understand a unity into which we feel persuaded that we are truly ingrafted. For unless we are united with all the other members under Christ our head, no hope of the future inheritance awaits us. Hence the church is called Catholic or Universal (Augustine, Epist. 48) for two or three cannot be invented without dividing Christ; and this is impossible. All the elect of God are so joined together in Christ, that as they depend on one head, so they are as it is compacted into one body, being knit together like its different members; made truly one by living together under the same Spirit of God in one faith, hope, and charity, called not only to the same inheritance of eternal life, but to participation in one God and Christ.
For although the sad devastation which everywhere meets our view may proclaim that no church remains, let us know that the death of Christ produces fruit, and that God wonderfully preserves his church, while placing it as it were in concealment. Thus it was said of Elijah, “Yet I have left me seven thousand in Israel” (1 Kings 19:18).”-John Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion, BOOK 4, CHAPTER 1, SECTION 2
Yeah, John Calvin didn't believe the same thing you do about Babylon and the true Church. He wouldn't have even viewed you as a Christian, guy.
”These Holy Scriptures teach us that in this one sole and simple divine essence, whom we have confessed, there are three Persons: the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit. The Father, first cause, principle, and origin of all things. The Son, his Word and eternal wisdom. The Holy Spirit, his virtue, power, and efficacy. The Son begotten from eternity by the Father. The Holy Spirit proceeding eternally from them both; the three persons not confused, but distinct, and yet not separate, but of the same essence, equal in eternity and power. And in this we confess that which has been established by the ancient councils, and we detest all sects and heresies which were rejected by the holy doctors, such as St. Hilary, St. Athanasius, St. Ambrose, and St. Cyril.”-John Calvin, Gallican (French) Confession
His French Confession of Faith literally anathematizes Adventism and Adventists as sectarians out of step with the ancient faith. Didn't say this about Roman Catholics despite his serious frustrations with the magisterial body including the Pope. So he considered Roman Catholics Christians but wouldn't consider Adventists. How ironic considering you citing him.
Furthermore, there's American Presbyterianism, German Presbyterianism, etc. And these all refer to movements within the one Church. So the fact that you can't even distinguish between presbyterianism as a movement versus what Presbyterians as individuals believe about the one holy, catholic church, shows you just googled quotes and copy and pasted them.
John Calvin would have anathematized you, dude. He denounced all sectarians who departed from the ancient faith contained in the Christian creeds. So citing his denunciations of the Papal office as though that's some revelatory mind blow again only shows you probably don't even know what you're citing from or anything about John Calvin for that matter.
@answeringadventism You keep embarrassing yourself every time you encounter me, Myles.
Protestantism did start with John Calvin and John Knox. You can lie to yourself, but don't lie to me.
In regads to Calvin's quote. 1538 John Calvin was a "failed pastor," (and by the way, let that be a lesson to you Myles particularly when someone who's young, dumb, and impetus) but Martin Bucer recovered or redeemed Calvin and helped him continue to convert city of Geneva for the Reformation to combat Catholicism. In the cities of Strassburg, where Bucer mentored Calvin to become a proper pastor that God wanted him to be. 1541 Calvin was threatened by Cardinal Jacopo Sadoleto to convert Geneva back to Catholicism. That is when Calvin wrote the most influential work of his lifetime called "Reply to Jadoleto." You should read it, Myles! It will expose how lying hypocrite you are about Calvin and what you're doctrine in regard to Catholicism and your sectarian church that calls herself Presbyterian is all about.
You are right about one thing (surprisingly). If John Calvin saw YOU in his church today... He would sink the entire Presbyterian ship to the bottomless pit and set sail in the Adventist bout.
You tried to say "embarrassing" but it came out as "inbaricing"? How embarrassing...
@@russiansvoloch “Protestantism did start with John Calvin”
😂😂
Mercy the amount of historical revisionism and error in your comment is mind boggling. And you apparently believe it to be fact.
Calvin’s dialogue with Sadoletto is his most prominent work ever?! 😂😂😂😂😂
No, goober. his Institues are. Without question. Which I just showed you an excerpt from that plainly states he didn’t have the sectarian view of the church that you restorationist heretics have.
“Sectarian church called Presbyterian”
Again, Presbyterian is a type of church governance, not a church. You’re a clueless goofball. Your own “church” claims to affirm a Presbyterian form of government. LOL
You’re an Adventist. You calling others sectarian is rich. All you evidenced here is your ignorance around actual history and that you’re a Google historian. Congrats, you went on Google and regurgitated half baked talking points.
John Calvin would have anathematized you, buddy. You can reimagine that he would have followed after your sectarian cult and prophetess but that’s all you’re doing-imagining. The French confession of faith condemns you as a heretic.
Calvin was an ardent monergist and his entire framework for theology flows out of that. But yeah, he totally would have been down with your synergistic, anti-creedal, anti-historical, anti-gospel, law gospel distinction denying, restorationist sect that sprang out of false date setting and fanaticism from false prophets. 😂😂😂😂😂
@@DamonNomad82 Not embarrassed to it all, Consider english is my fourth language
Hi Myles, I live in South Africa and was an SDA at around the time Walter Veith "converted" from being a Catholic to being an SDA. He claims that he was converted by an adventist carpenter who was busy installing new kitchen cabinets for him back in the 90s. I've always suspected him of being a "Jesuit" mole into the SDA church. I left the SDA church back in 2000.
Amen 🎉
I am sure that the Jesuits don't have "moles." LOL
Yes. Isn't Veith the one who said "they" have to tell you what "they're" doing? So he lays out the case for Jesuit infiltration again & again & again ad infinitum... Hmm. Is he saying what he's doing? I listened to his testimony of conversion back when I first heard of him (15 years ago?), but I had no idea how kooky SDAism was at that time. I remember him saying he questioned the little box on the wall of RCC sanctuaries that supposedly contain God when the red light is on... Looking back now I'm like: "You're SDA now & you thought THAT was kooky?" I mean it boggles the mind. RCC idiosyncrasies pale in comparison to SDA scifi action-adventure romantic fantasies not to mention green-cord divination & the whole 9 yards.
@@jimmu2008 only a Jesuit would know if the Jesuits don't have moles lol jk Ahh the Jesuits....
@@WalkingtheNarrowWay360 sorry. I didn't see the lol and the jk.
Walter can only be described as a SDA Basket Case 😮😊
RIGHT!!! 👍
I can't believe I used to watch this guy (Veith). 🤦🏻♀️ I had NO idea he was SDA, nor that he was promoting & supposedly "proving" SDA eschatology at the time - I just thought it was interesting "hidden history" (re: secret societies & such). Someone had sent me a free set of Amazing Discoveries DVDs & looking back now I realize that the person who sent the DVDs was probably SDA & thought they were "evangelizing" people into SDAism by so doing. Now I thank God that I am not by nature a "joiner" or I very well might have fallen into that trap.
@@kimartist that’s how they win all sorts of people to the “truth.” Conspiracies, half truths, and gnostic ideas of “special” insight and knowledge that no one else has supposedly. So come join them so you can be in the know.
I’ve had lunch with him and worked a 4 day weekend when he came to our church years ago… glad I got out!
He certainly deceived my brother. He almost left Adventism and then along comes Walter Veith and he stayed and become a fanatic.
If I was still an adventist this go would be my daily destruction and making me obnoxious to my friends.
That is how I got introduced to SDA stuff, as well. A coworker started giving me DVDs. I thought nothing of it at first. I had no problem with the idea of watching them. I thought it would be another interesting look into eschatology, as I had been looking at lots of different end-time scenarios at the time. Then I actually watched the DVD, and I was shocked at its looniness. I had forgotten all about that. Thanks for the reminder. SDAs like to project a normal front, but their stuff is absolutely bonkers on the back end. There is no need to mince words about this. Ellen White was crazy and built a system of crazy.
Myles, you'll appreciate this one....."you're a Jesuit plant." lol I cannot tell you how many Adventists respond this way. As if the Roman Catholic Church cares about a group with horrible exegesis, lies about its membership numbers and growth, and models a leadership and tithe structure like their own. If you aren't a former Adventist, then you won't get the Jesuit stuff. It's everywhere in the churches. I think there is at least one or two people in every SDA church that is gobbling up Veith's conspiracies as truth. Ironically enough, Veith is a part of a group of Adventists that condemn the mainstream SDA church lol Anyways, keep up the good work man.
@@WalkingtheNarrowWay360 I’ve only been called one about 1000 times myself 😅
@@answeringadventism hey, aren't you a little young to be a Jesuit plant?
My response to that would be "and you're a dollar store imitation Mormon"...
That's what gets me. Sda acts like Christianity is plotting to to get them but the reality is that no one cares. Especially no one cares that they go to church on Saturdays. The only time any of care is when they come accusing us of not loving God, don't want to obey, we are in Babylon etc. Other than that most people don't even know what an sda is.
@@truthingrace3594 SDAs have probably the biggest persecution complex of any group in the world. Their whole system is built on how they're so much better than everyone else because they worship on Saturdays and that everyone else despises them and is out to get them for the same reason, but the reality is that they're one of the least persecuted groups in the world, and have been for most of their history. As you said, most non-SDAs either don't know they exist or are indifferent to them. They puff themselves up on pride and trick themselves into thinking they're some kind of great martyrs by intentionally and hypocritically misinterpreting any form of criticism or irritation at/retaliation for their own habit of bashing non-SDAs as "persecution"...
No one could EVER convince me to be a Sadventist (or any of the other groups that are essentially the same thing: Mormons, JWs or self-proclaimed "Christian Scientists"), even if the alternative to being one was a very unpleasant form of martyrdom...
What if the have the Truth.?
@@MargaretAshigbadi They don't. All of them started in the 19th Century in the northeastern US as a product of swindlers posing as "prophets" who were taking advantage of the combination of the poor education and addiction to emotionally-driven "revivals" that could peddle just about anything in the name of "revival" and get a huge following out of it, even if their teachings weren't even remotely Christian. Asking "what if they have the truth?" is on the same level of asking "what if you really do get rich quick by giving your life savings to that nice exiled prince of this or that country who 'just needs to borrow your money to help him reclaim his rightful throne'?" Scams are scams, including "religion-flavored" scams...
How many times does a movement have to be wrong to have the truth?
@@Donatello-b4x what a exactly have they gotten wrong ,Do all denomination have the same doctrine.
An adventist is one who believes Jesus is coming again. It's what the word means. The "coming" or "appearance" (the advent of television, for example).....
In Christian theology it means the advent of Jesus (His 2nd coming).
By saying you will NEVER be an adventist you are (by your own words) denying the 2nd coming of Jesus.
But I really doubt this is the case with you. It's the fact that they believe in the 7th-day Sabbath. For this you believe you can judge them. And this alone goes against Col 2:16.
So has Veith had any recent sermons or videos on the fact his Public Relations Director, Diop has had meeting with the pope and doing the exact thing the Adventiss have been warning people about for nearly 200 years?
Is it any coincidence that Veith acts like the very infiltrator that he's **warned** about (cough cough) since the beginning of his "ministry"?
Huge surprise for me when I left Adventism was after actually reading the New Testament realizing that Jerusalem is the whore of Babylon.
Adventism made me paranoid about Catholics and Catholicism. Now as a Catholic I can say with confidence they were very wrong about Catholicism.
“But but, the Roman’s Catholic Church invented that belief to keep you from REALLY knowing who the whore of Babylon is-THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH! REEEEEEEE!!!!!!!”
@@AbuSefein89 You nailed it. Old Jerusalem is Babylon
@@answeringadventism I straight up thought that by going to mass I was literally going to worship satan… Or that they were going to crucify Christ over and over again somehow… to top it off I straight up believed they were going to come for me once Sunday law was decreed…
To those who I don’t know I tell them Adventism is a cult, to those who I know are in the rabbit hole I call it for what I believe it is- sorcery/trickery. All for power and fame. They have made a name for themselves and are losing their money for every Adventist that leaves. They are so autisticly focused on promoting their obscure beliefs in order to keep the cash flow. Used car sales religion. Anyone notice that almost 9 out of 10 sda pastors suffers from some form of high religious narcissism? Their speech is full of pride and slander.
Anyway, I can talk ears off,
God bless you Myles 🙏🏻
@@alongcamejones309 glory to God, yes and when I found that out I had a major “scales falling off” moment.
God bless you 🙏🏻
It's amazing when you realize what Babylon is.
You will find many won't believe Jerusalem is the whore. They will mock you, attack you and won't accept it's a non salvific matter.
✌️🤠
That guy is in tribulation scripture teaching salvation for the church age, the church is long gone during tribulation, salvation in Revelation is faith and works by keeping the law of Moses........>>>{{{ Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. }}}
↑↑↑↑↑ Commandments and faith, that not Pauls gospel for the church age, Paul is teaching Ephe 2:8-9, Titus 3:5....... What did Paul say about teaching another gospel................
Many waters where the woman sits: “And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. ”
Revelation 17:15 KJV
There is a teaching from paster jeff i want ur reply on that
I don't understand what he's talking about? Women can't be priests. A woman with a cup? I've never seen that.
@@arthurandteresabeem7142 because he’s peddling false conspiracies about Roman Catholicism. Par for the course with Veith who thinks the Jesuits are behind all of the worlds evils.
@@answeringadventism Tell that to those who died during the Inquisition.
Myles can u take a time and start teaching us the book of revelation because most words they use are in the bible .so that we can have the correct meaning to it .
He won't. He can't. Unless he can teach prophecy in exact accordance with his church he will be declared anathema/heretic/cut off from Christ.
All you will get is a purely denominational view. You won't get anything truly biblically based from him.
Myles is a prophetic illiterate. He has no clue about the meaning of prophecy. I suggest you go to “Patmos Papers” and study for yourself.
Myles, you're wasting your time Hahahahahaha....
But isn't he, in fact, trolling? And he's surely making money with his events.
What is the de facto message of Revelation 17 without question? Do you have a better interpretation to debunk Veith's? You seem to be hyper focused on what others teach, but you don't seem to know how to teach the scriptures yourself.
Indeed, Myles is always quoting out of his orthodox library.
Rev 17:15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
Hey Myles "The Protestant." Response to 2:42 of your video.... Rev 17:15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
But you already know that, huh Myles. I don't have to tell you anything you already know.
Between us two, Myles, who is Babylon?
@@russiansvoloch hey Russian “the projector,” why don’t you simply do your own homework?
answeringadventism.com/who-is-babylon-in-revelation/
On top of the fact that we have numerous videos on the subject.
Lazy Adventist
Stop teaching blindly adding and taking away from the already fully completed WRITTEN WORD❤of Christ. The ONLY Teacher and Comforter of this New Earth in Christ; is Jesus himself the Kingdom within the faithful men in The Holy Ghost. You are the very false christs Jesus said, would come in his name (christians) but inward are ravening wolves. You must know that the millenial reign happened in the first thousand years after the END of the Apostles commission that symbolises the END of that First six day created world. We have been in the New Creation in Christ UNSEEN as He has been and is with men in the Holy Ghost. Satan has been loosed again and so is the covering of the face of this New Earth in False christs, False prophets, False teachers, preachers in the name of Christ😏christians.
You keep saying what the SDAs have wrong about their prophetic but you never state what you think the prophecies are actually saying.
It's just dis this and dis that but nothing about what the bible actually says.
Why is that?
Oh and; yada yada yada.
Do you interpret revelation chronologically as a sequence of events?
@@OCapologetics There is no yes or no answer to that.
The book of Revelation is not the only place where biblical prophecies can be found.
For the most part (but with few exceptions) each particular vision/prophecy is usually in chronological order. Daniel chapter 2 is a prime example.
But the vision in chapter 2 ends with Jesus' eternal kingdom. So obviously the vision in chapter 7 cannot be chronologically AFTER chapter 2. The 2 prophecies actually run parallel with each other even though the vision in chapter 7 was given after chapter 2, etc.
Daniel chapter 11 is another example of a chronological vision (whatever the word is for that). Yet it begins with the Persian empire. Obviously cannot be an event AFTER Jesus' kingdom in chapter 2. Yet he vision was given to Daniel years after Nebuchadnezzar had died.
The book of Revelation has several prophecies in it. Naturally the 7 trumpets (chapters 8 and 9 if not mistake) follow in chronological order. So do the 7 last plagues (chapter 16). The events in each vision would be chronological but not necessarily the visions themselves.
Of course the plagues of Rev 16 must come AFTER the warning about receiving those plagues in chapter 18.
@@OCapologetics There is no yes or no answer to that.
The book of Revelation is not the only place where biblical prophecies can be found.
For the most part (but with few exceptions) each particular vision/prophecy is usually in chronological order. Daniel chapter 2 is a prime example.
But the vision in chapter 2 ends with Jesus' eternal kingdom. So obviously the vision in chapter 7 cannot be chronologically AFTER chapter 2. The 2 prophecies actually run parallel with each other even though the vision in chapter 7 was given after chapter 2, etc.
Daniel chapter 11 is another example of a chronological vision (whatever the word is for that). Yet it begins with the Persian empire. Obviously cannot be an event AFTER Jesus' kingdom in chapter 2. Yet he vision was given to Daniel years after Nebuchadnezzar had died.
The book of Revelation has several prophecies in it. Naturally the 7 trumpets (chapters 8 and 9 if not mistake) follow in chronological order. So do the 7 last plagues (chapter 16). The events in each vision would be chronological but not necessarily the visions themselves.
Of course the plagues of Rev 16 must come AFTER the warning about receiving those plagues in chapter 18.
There is no yes or no answer to that.
The book of Revelation is not the only place where biblical prophecies can be found.
For the most part (but with few exceptions) each particular vision/prophecy is usually in chronological order. Daniel chapter 2 is a prime example.
But the vision in chapter 2 ends with Jesus' eternal kingdom. So obviously the vision in chapter 7 cannot be chronologically AFTER chapter 2. The 2 prophecies actually run parallel with each other even though the vision in chapter 7 was given after chapter 2, etc.
Daniel chapter 11 is another example of a chronological vision (whatever the word is for that). Yet it begins with the Persian empire. Obviously cannot be an event AFTER Jesus' kingdom in chapter 2. Yet he vision was given to Daniel years after Nebuchadnezzar had died.
The book of Revelation has several prophecies in it. Naturally the 7 trumpets (chapters 8 and 9 if not mistake) follow in chronological order. So do the 7 last plagues (chapter 16). The events in each vision would be chronological but not necessarily the visions themselves.
Of course the plagues of Rev 16 must come AFTER the warning about receiving those plagues in chapter 18.
@@davidstarr6604 yeah, I agree with that, there’s a variance to where eschatology is found within the Bible, absolutely. My second question would be has Gods kingdom already come? Is Jesus already reigning as king and high priest? Is “Gods Kingdom”, established and with us presently?
With all due respect, you can't understand because you can not interpret prophecy in the books of Daniel & Revelation.
Interpret ALL of Daniel 8, what’s the SDA view on this whole chapter, I’d love to discuss
@@Lmfc7Icelander lol you guys are gnostics
A serious question, why does Veith preach for hours on end about pagan symbols and statues all around the world but doesn't have the stones to mention the ones on James and Ellie's grave? I mean you can't be one of the most noticeable preachers and preach the exact opposite of what is happening with your own founders.
@@OCapologetics What part do you not understand? Gabriel interpreted the prophecy to Daniel in that same chapter.
My guess is it's the 2,300 year timeline you don't like. It's the ONLY part of the prophecy Gabriel could not explain at that time because Daniel had fainted and was sick for several days afterwards. Yet Gabriel was commissioned to make Daniel to understand the prophecy. So he had to come back later to finish the interpretation.
@@davidstarr6604 well I’m hoping you can help me understand then, I’d like to tease this out and have some fun with it. Given the context of the chapter would you assume that it’s about kingdoms right? Medes and Persians being overcome by the Greek empire right? So you’d assume that’s the context of the whole chapter, considering it actually says it. Now your interpretation (or SDA) throws that whole historical context out and says straight up that in 1844 Jesus entered the heavenly tabernacle (for arguments sake, I’ll concede that). So my question is after the 2300 days/years and Jesus cleansed the sanctuary, so what was he cleansing? You’ll probably say the “sins”, so further from that how’d sins get into the sanctuary considering you believe in soul sleep and no one is in heaven except Jesus?
Desperate
Yes you are.
@@Donatello-b4x desperate because He has nothing else to focus in life apart from criticizing SDAS, and hoping that his I deas might make him a hero anyway we have employed you a critic tattoos
@@okwijames947 Seventh-day Adventism may look, smell and taste like Christianity, but it is a worm-filled apple, rotten to the core. it needs to be exposed.
Please understand that Seventh-day Adventism is a business, an organized religion, not Biblical Christianity. Satan is a master con-artist, a deceiver, whom the Bible warns appears as an angel of light (2nd Corinthians 11:13-15). Literally, the Devil and his sinister ministers are actors, pretending to be of God, but they are satanic. We are all in a spiritual war. SDA does its best to appear as a Christian organization, but it is a woeful deception of the Devil.
@@okwijames947
Just like SDAs and EGW that only thing they know to do in life is to criticize the Pope, the Protestant churches, and Roman Catholic Church! 🤓
Look out, Okapi! There's a tattoo sneaking up behind you!
Ephesians 5:22-25 that ye put off concerning the Former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; And be renewed in the spirit of our mind; And that ye put on the New Man, which after God is created in righteousness and True holiness.Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour:for we are members One of another "
whoops, Ephesian 5:22-25. I think you meant to say Ephesians 4:22-25
@@terrygreenman1540 thanks for the correction but the message is for tattoos outfit " let him leave the old man in himself 😠 anger,lies, strife
@@okwijames947 Your thing on tattoo's.
Let me be perfectly clear about Miles and tattoo's, I believe that God and washed the inside clean and we can wait for He'll move on that problem of our tattoo's we may have, in his time!
Relax.
Paul commands the Ephesians to stop living as the old man and instead put on the new man. He points to the means for putting on the new self in Ephesians 4:23, namely, that one be renewed in the spirit of the mind. Similar language is utilized in Romans 12:1-2 as Paul commands the church in Rome to be “transformed by the renewing of your mind.” This renewal is in direct opposition to being conformed to this world.
God created the new self “in righteousness and holiness of the truth” (Ephesians 4:24, NASB). It is by truth and a pursuit of righteousness that one must renew the mind. The Bible is that source of truth (Proverbs 2:6; 2 Timothy 3:16-17). As one renews the mind in truth, one is equipped to put off the old self, put on the new self, and “live a life worthy of the calling you have received” (Ephesians 4:1).
It's about your internal being not your exterior shell.
God will deal with his skin problem. I have a small skin problem to cover another skin problem. I hope the problem doesn't problem you.
On the other hand you still have have a sin problem.
This guy is the worst hypocrite. They break the very commands of Jesus to love one another and not bare false wtiness. This guy just lumps ALL and everybody together and charges them with sins all because he goes to church on Saturday. He has no clue what's on the hearts of anyone else regardless of how or when they worship. But we all see his nasty heart. @terrygreenman1540
Prof Walter veith teach the truth ... may God bless you all times to teach the truth ... bible says last days. mockers will come ... now is the time.. truth will will remain constant .. peoplw fight truth and grab half truth which will staisfies their desire but not Gods truth ...
I have watched Veith. He will preach hours about pagan symbols and statues all around the world. He will tell us about obelisks around the world, but he doesn't mention the one the White's grave site? Why is that?
@@Donatello-b4x
Exactly! And he never mentions that William Miller was a Manson too.
@@claudiafranco4888 Miller was a "Manson"? Was he related to the infamous Charles Manson from a century later? Or did you mean to say Miller was a "Mason", as in a member of Freemasonry?
@@Donatello-b4xThey have this humorous article in the White Estate site talking about how it was just a popular head stone in those days! Why no one was in that club then! Such nonsense. They are liars. That’s why I left.
Yes, you are Babylon or daughter of Babylon the Great, if you repeat any false doctrine of the Catholic Church. Sorry, but the truth is the truth.
Catholics breathe air, drink water and eat food. You'd better stop doing all three of those, or you're just a "daughter of Babylon the Great"...
@@DamonNomad82😂😂😂