I've been really enjoying mids (5 speed) and down rounds, especially when life gets too busy to get in more than one or two rounds a month. I love playing rounds where I don't feel like I have to put full beans into long drives but can just focus on position golf. It's really helping my approach game as well. For me that's: Truth, Tursas, Suspect, Maiden, Swan
I would recommend looking into the DGA breaker. Has a good bit a stability but still will push forward. I would also look into a mvp watt for that spot. Love your video and all that you put out.
Armadillo for the Polecat, Gold-X KT Pure for the Luna. Those are some of the best throwing putters out there, like a Buzzz basically. Also as a Wizard guy you could try the Ion in premium plastic. It's basically a suped up Wizard. I prefer plasma if you can find one (prettiest, tackiest, best glide).
So the disc I think you’re looking for is my favorite throwing putter ever. The particle, which is discontinued. I’ve tried a ton of discs trying to find the replacement and currently the closest I’ve found are the mint discs lasso and the kastaplast reko x. A couple of honorable mentions are the p3x from disc mania and the mvp atom.
I'm shocked how people have forgotten. I recall there was some pro on Discmania who fancied himself premium plastic P2:s for throwing, (one of the most copied mold of all time, maybe second only to the destroyer) for their pushing glide and reliable stability, who right now is sponsored by MVP and does not thrown an envy. The P2 has *reinvented* my putter throwing game and I used to not throw putters hardly at all because I just couldn't find any reliably stable enough that wasn't just dumpy overstable.
Maybe bag the Berg for the rest of the year and discover ALL of the shots it is good at. Might try the DGA Breaker in place of that Luna. Premium and base plastic options are available for both discs. I hope that your day is fantastic as well.
I literally had to stop the video and rewind 3 times to realize you said you were going to play the "8" hole loop! My mind is not right. :D Innova Birdie, the Loft Hydrogen (haven't thrown it) or the Super Puppy are the closest options... ( I have some Birdies for you to play with.) Have you tried the Watt for the Luna?
I love the Hydrogen as I have one in base plastic and throw it a lot. It pretty much just goes straight up to 300' with little to no fade at all, but I have accidentally overpowered it a few times and it flips and doesn't come back. But for controlled throws it goes straighter than any other putter type disc I've ever thrown. And I own about 45 different types of putters. I was pretty thorough about trying out different ones when I started. 😅
Tough break for you. I think you were accurate on the 3rd shot of the Par 5. You released it flat. For that shot, you knew that it required a Hyzer. Suggestion. I like you have struggled to throw the Luna with any degree of consistency. Have you considered the Discraft Fierce? The inherent instability of this putter makes you more conscious of the angle required at release. Or go with Electron Envy and Neutron Envy to cover the two options: straight finish and stable fade.
Try a sonic in place of the pole cat. Really floaty, but you should be able to keep it from flipping. And you might like MVP's Nomad in place of the Luna
Have you tried the ringer? I throw the crystal Ledgestone ones and they are money with a straight to slightly overstable flight with a consistent minor finish left.
Try an AGL Acacia in the Alpine plastic! Great glider and truly straight putter with minimal fade at the end. It’s a wizard bottom and AGL Ponderosa top!
Ive never had that issue with throwing putters/approach discs. I throw the same discs i use for putts if i want a straight flight. I throw an approach disc if i want stability and i have an old jawbreaker zone if i need distance but reliably towards the end of the flight. However im not a person that will often reach for a putter on anything more than about 210-220ft. Ill just move up to a mid, which is the strongest part of my game and the part of my bag im most confident in. I have the full range of mid range stability. Stratus (quite understable) Mako3 (slightly understable) m4 (workable either way) compass (straight with a little fade) and Roc3 (straight with fairly reliable fade but dependent on plastic) and i have an archive i take in and out for a little more stability.
So p3x is one of my favorites and then for the second one you could try a parachute, pitch, or range.... I get along with those much more than a glitch personally lol
Try the MVP Watt! It has so much glide and is very shapeable. If you don't like how much glide the Watt has, try a Proxy in Neutron, or Eclipse for a bit more stability.
I love putter rounds! I relax a lot more, don't take in a lot of expectations, and the lower exertion of carrying only a shoulder bag with 3-5 discs and a water bottle helps more than I expected. What do you consider your realistic max distance on the course with a putter only bag? 220-230 for me. When I try to push beyond that with a putter I get a lot of bad releases.
Just saw the first throw...is this torture? Lol! If you don't go right off the fairway, you're golden. But it hurts to watch a putter on that line. Lol! Fun concept for a video.
I think you may need to re-think your throwing putters. You have a lot of "upshot" discs, meaning that none of your throwing putters besides the Luna are actually built for a lot of distance. Pigs don't really have much glide even when beat up, and Polecats are slow to reach their target despite the high glide. Baseline Luna's are really flippy when thrown hard, so it's hard to get distance with them. You need to get something with high glide and a medium to overstable stability. I would recommend trying the Soft Proxy, the Watt, the new Eclipse Pixel, or re-evaluate the Envy in a different plastic. Also, don't hesitate to grab a premium plastic throwing putter. That extra stability with glide is nice! I would recommend outside of MVP, but the only thing I've encountered that really fits that bill lately is a C-line P2, which I don't think has been released outside of the SkyGod 4.
Not sure I've ever commented on TH-cam but I had to mention the Infinite Discs Tomb for a Luna replacement. Torque resistant, flat top, low profile for a putter, nice and straight with a pushing fade, made in tons of plastics, and comfortable forehand or backhand (at least for me). It reminds me more of a small diameter mid than a putter but it's a 3 speed #tombgang
Think I good thing to do is not just say the shape you need but how. I always try to say like I need lef to right walk up, finish last foot there, low to high pull if I need height etc. It is very easy to just focus on the shape (outcome) but nothing on the process to get there (the setup)
The disrespect for the glow envy is wild, did we just forget about the envy after 2021? Glow plastic makes it the most torque resistant bomber putter on the market
Tempo, never had any worry of that disc flipping on me but when thrown hard stays straight for 250+. Little bit more OS than an envy with a lot better hand feel in my opinion.
I love a pilot and agree that it throws similar to a Luna. But he was saying he wanted something with some overstability and a pilot has a little flip up and his dead ass straight
I've found the Doomsday rot to be that slot of putter, buddy has a premium plastic one and is super pretty but seems like is has more flip then my base putter plastic one, I bag and envy as well and think that the Rot is less over stable but still able to be yammed on without burning
Wizard on 5 for 3rd shot to fade? Or a Mint Profit. Actually, get a Pure. You can get an Opto Air for S curves or the hard/medium plastics to get some fade.
Birdie disc golf marvel is what your looking for , get Jake wolf white out is what I throw for os Luna shot or get premium plastic marvel if u don’t want base plastic
I throw the stabilizer from streamline as my slightly over stable. It definitely comes new pretty beefy but nothing too crazy. I bag a Luna and a stabilizer. Luna being my straight to under stable and then stabilizer being slightly over stable. Then for over stable I throw a slammer. I also don’t care for the envy. I’m not sure why but just never cared for it.
I was thinking the exact same thing that although it’s one of those in between discs, it’s like saying I’m gonna play putter only round and you throw zones. I know there’s people on both sides of the equation think different ways, but I definitely feel like the pig from its shape and fly is meant to be some type of approach throwing and I personally would qualify not as a putter only but also not a mid range. Either way after throwing some hot sauce Robbie’s way I really do love the video! Actually played a course recently that was kind of open and decided to throw putters only and was very surprised that there was literally only one hole I couldn’t do better on with a whole bag of Discs! I can definitely say that with an under stable and a torque resistant putter you can probably throw as far as you can other Disc in your bag and it made me realize I need to start taking some of those on the top end out or only use them when I’m trying to do major flex lines, in open areas.
Dude when you said "Youve got this Crawford" it caught me off-guard because I say that for every drive as well! Whats good cuz!?
The proxy throws real nice with a comfortable fade
Pitch for that polecat slot!
I'm doing pretty good. Thank you for asking!
What about an MVP Atom as you're straight pushing disc? The atom in proton plastic is pretty sweet!
Absolutely!! Second vote for the atom it's straight and torque resistant!
@@robertsoliz6821hit chains on a downhill par 4 with one of these
The challenger is my recommendation for that overstable throwing putter. Underrated disc
How you doin Jasper? Thanks Robbie, you’re a legend!
Really, really cool to see you out here before the course changes! And with putters no less, I need to do that more often...
Early to another Robbie C video feels good!
I've been really enjoying mids (5 speed) and down rounds, especially when life gets too busy to get in more than one or two rounds a month. I love playing rounds where I don't feel like I have to put full beans into long drives but can just focus on position golf. It's really helping my approach game as well.
For me that's: Truth, Tursas, Suspect, Maiden, Swan
I love my Kratos as a throwing putter. Feels so good in the hand and doesn’t try to burn over like a Luna.
Really loved this video and type of content. Good stuff Mr. Crawford.
Maiden. It’s my favorite throwing putter. It’s great. Fairly torque resistant. Highly recommend
Praxis makes perfect. I use it as a throwing and putting putter.
Give the ECLIPSE Envy a try as a throwing putter in place of the Luna. Great distance, flys straight with a reliable fade.
Exactly! Lunas are flippy as hell and Glenvy's are the most roque resistant.
Kastaplast reko for that Luna slot or reko X
I would recommend looking into the DGA breaker. Has a good bit a stability but still will push forward. I would also look into a mvp watt for that spot. Love your video and all that you put out.
I always thought you just said random names at the start, but I KNOW THAT JASPER! 😂
Bro throw the k1 reko in the luna slot, suuuper slept on throwing putter
Armadillo for the Polecat, Gold-X KT Pure for the Luna. Those are some of the best throwing putters out there, like a Buzzz basically.
Also as a Wizard guy you could try the Ion in premium plastic. It's basically a suped up Wizard. I prefer plasma if you can find one (prettiest, tackiest, best glide).
So the disc I think you’re looking for is my favorite throwing putter ever. The particle, which is discontinued. I’ve tried a ton of discs trying to find the replacement and currently the closest I’ve found are the mint discs lasso and the kastaplast reko x. A couple of honorable mentions are the p3x from disc mania and the mvp atom.
I’ve been looking for this same thing! The Chief is what I just put in that system and it rocks!
I came here to say the chief OS. I do love the chief, but I love the lil lip on the OS for flicks. Both slept on discs.
You can try the Finish line Pace! I've seen Drew throw those and they look like something you'd be interested in!
Soft Neutron Proxy....it is the most stable Proxy...nice flights for forehand and backhand
Couldnt agree more. Add in an eclipse proxy for as a second. My e lipse is flippy and my neutron is beefy
The RPM Takapu is a fantastic stable throwing putter that’s worth a try. I bag two, one in the platinum and the other in glow
I'm shocked how people have forgotten. I recall there was some pro on Discmania who fancied himself premium plastic P2:s for throwing, (one of the most copied mold of all time, maybe second only to the destroyer) for their pushing glide and reliable stability, who right now is sponsored by MVP and does not thrown an envy. The P2 has *reinvented* my putter throwing game and I used to not throw putters hardly at all because I just couldn't find any reliably stable enough that wasn't just dumpy overstable.
Maybe bag the Berg for the rest of the year and discover ALL of the shots it is good at. Might try the DGA Breaker in place of that Luna. Premium and base plastic options are available for both discs.
I hope that your day is fantastic as well.
I just got a DGA Breaker. 3/3/0/3 it is very true to those numbers. Nice shallow reliable putter. I would try it out if I were you.
I literally had to stop the video and rewind 3 times to realize you said you were going to play the "8" hole loop! My mind is not right. :D Innova Birdie, the Loft Hydrogen (haven't thrown it) or the Super Puppy are the closest options... ( I have some Birdies for you to play with.) Have you tried the Watt for the Luna?
I love the Hydrogen as I have one in base plastic and throw it a lot. It pretty much just goes straight up to 300' with little to no fade at all, but I have accidentally overpowered it a few times and it flips and doesn't come back. But for controlled throws it goes straighter than any other putter type disc I've ever thrown. And I own about 45 different types of putters. I was pretty thorough about trying out different ones when I started. 😅
Tough break for you. I think you were accurate on the 3rd shot of the Par 5. You released it flat. For that shot, you knew that it required a Hyzer. Suggestion. I like you have struggled to throw the Luna with any degree of consistency. Have you considered the Discraft Fierce? The inherent instability of this putter makes you more conscious of the angle required at release. Or go with Electron Envy and Neutron Envy to cover the two options: straight finish and stable fade.
hilarious listening to your self-talk. Sad but brings a smile. We are rather self-deprecating in our self-talk, especially if we are verbalizers.
Try a sonic in place of the pole cat. Really floaty, but you should be able to keep it from flipping. And you might like MVP's Nomad in place of the Luna
I agree it doesn't flip like the Luna.
Have you tried the ringer? I throw the crystal Ledgestone ones and they are money with a straight to slightly overstable flight with a consistent minor finish left.
Try an AGL Acacia in the Alpine plastic! Great glider and truly straight putter with minimal fade at the end. It’s a wizard bottom and AGL Ponderosa top!
Robbie! Get your hands on the OOP Discmania mold the P3. It's a slower zone. Not p3x just p3
Gateway Chief OS, you're welcome.
Fantastic disc!
Exactly what I was going to mention.
All the yes to that
Ive never had that issue with throwing putters/approach discs. I throw the same discs i use for putts if i want a straight flight. I throw an approach disc if i want stability and i have an old jawbreaker zone if i need distance but reliably towards the end of the flight. However im not a person that will often reach for a putter on anything more than about 210-220ft. Ill just move up to a mid, which is the strongest part of my game and the part of my bag im most confident in. I have the full range of mid range stability. Stratus (quite understable) Mako3 (slightly understable) m4 (workable either way) compass (straight with a little fade) and Roc3 (straight with fairly reliable fade but dependent on plastic) and i have an archive i take in and out for a little more stability.
When I play new courses. I play midrange and putter only rounds at least two to three times. Learned that years ago from a friend Adam "hambone" H.
So p3x is one of my favorites and then for the second one you could try a parachute, pitch, or range.... I get along with those much more than a glitch personally lol
Discmania "Cosmic Fury" Logic has filled my straight throwing putter slot.
Mint discs Lasso!!!!
Came here to say this. It’s so underrated.
Mint Disc Lasso is so underrated. It’s exactly what you’re looking for.
Try a tomb for the luna replacement. Straight with a little fade. You won't have to worry about it flipping
Replace the Luna with a Titanium Zone GT
Try the MVP Watt! It has so much glide and is very shapeable. If you don't like how much glide the Watt has, try a Proxy in Neutron, or Eclipse for a bit more stability.
Have you tried the Streamline Pilot or Axiom Proxy? I like my Pilot in proton and just got (but liking it) Fission Proxy.
I love putter rounds! I relax a lot more, don't take in a lot of expectations, and the lower exertion of carrying only a shoulder bag with 3-5 discs and a water bottle helps more than I expected.
What do you consider your realistic max distance on the course with a putter only bag? 220-230 for me. When I try to push beyond that with a putter I get a lot of bad releases.
Shaman!!!
What about Aviar X3 to be what you wanted the Luna to be? Is that too beefy?
Replacement for luna, stabilizer? Envy? For polecat, rhyno?armadillo?
Have you tried the Axiom Tempo? In my opinion it’s not as overstable as I think it’s going to be but it’s still got some finish
have you thrown an aviar driver or an aviar x3?
Just saw the first throw...is this torture? Lol! If you don't go right off the fairway, you're golden. But it hurts to watch a putter on that line. Lol! Fun concept for a video.
The only throwing putter I enjoy puting some power behind is the Lasso from Mint. It’s deep but actually will have some hookup at the end
Neutron proxy is pretty nice. The eclipse proxy has potential to be flippy too
I think you may need to re-think your throwing putters. You have a lot of "upshot" discs, meaning that none of your throwing putters besides the Luna are actually built for a lot of distance. Pigs don't really have much glide even when beat up, and Polecats are slow to reach their target despite the high glide. Baseline Luna's are really flippy when thrown hard, so it's hard to get distance with them. You need to get something with high glide and a medium to overstable stability. I would recommend trying the Soft Proxy, the Watt, the new Eclipse Pixel, or re-evaluate the Envy in a different plastic. Also, don't hesitate to grab a premium plastic throwing putter. That extra stability with glide is nice! I would recommend outside of MVP, but the only thing I've encountered that really fits that bill lately is a C-line P2, which I don't think has been released outside of the SkyGod 4.
Have you thrown the TSA Muse? I think you might like that one
Already a big Wizard guy. How about showing Gateway some more love? Robbie C “The Big Chief” Chief OS in a special Robbie C blend? 🤷♂️
Try to use the opto Sinus I’ve been using it since they rereleased it in opto. Don’t worry about dumping it to the right.
Not sure I've ever commented on TH-cam but I had to mention the Infinite Discs Tomb for a Luna replacement. Torque resistant, flat top, low profile for a putter, nice and straight with a pushing fade, made in tons of plastics, and comfortable forehand or backhand (at least for me). It reminds me more of a small diameter mid than a putter but it's a 3 speed #tombgang
I'll be playing it Friday! Probably the last time in it's present format. :(
Think I good thing to do is not just say the shape you need but how. I always try to say like I need lef to right walk up, finish last foot there, low to high pull if I need height etc. It is very easy to just focus on the shape (outcome) but nothing on the process to get there (the setup)
Lone star Benny - it’s like a domey stable luna that’s torque resistant enough for you to put some heat on it
Stick with your Gateway connection and pick up a Chief OS. Straight with a reliable fade that really resists turning over
The disrespect for the glow envy is wild, did we just forget about the envy after 2021? Glow plastic makes it the most torque resistant bomber putter on the market
Tempo, never had any worry of that disc flipping on me but when thrown hard stays straight for 250+. Little bit more OS than an envy with a lot better hand feel in my opinion.
have you tried an eclipse proxy?
The dillo for pole cat replacement and the pilot from streamline for the Luna
I love a pilot and agree that it throws similar to a Luna. But he was saying he wanted something with some overstability and a pilot has a little flip up and his dead ass straight
PA2, Shield, Pilot, Ohm, Atom, Kratos. Shield is a hidden gem. I currently throw Atoms. They are slightly more stable than their numbers.
Try the Lucid Ice Warden or the classic moonshine Warden great throwing putter
putters from the short tees, then mid range discs from the long tees would be quite satisfying for all of us
P3x for the Luna
I tried Glitch then Spore landed on the Notion as my glidier understable thrower
Lucid wardens are straight to slightly stable deep dish putters.
Q-Mega for straight & BigZ Challenger OS for stability
How about a premium plastic judge for the polecat replacement?
I've found the Doomsday rot to be that slot of putter, buddy has a premium plastic one and is super pretty but seems like is has more flip then my base putter plastic one, I bag and envy as well and think that the Rot is less over stable but still able to be yammed on without burning
Rhyno gang! R-pro is exactly what you are describing and
Kratos, it's just a little more stable than a Luna but it won't flip over like a Luna does. (That's if you don't mind the bead)
Try the cosmic fury 2 (logic) or the 1. The 2 is a bit straighter and flatter the 1
Finish line Pace.
Wizard on 5 for 3rd shot to fade? Or a Mint Profit. Actually, get a Pure. You can get an Opto Air for S curves or the hard/medium plastics to get some fade.
Tunnel shot and H13 disc golf Embark
S line Discmania P3X. Stable and pushy but not dumpy. Super reliable.
Parachute for polecat and Star aviar. As a Luna guy trust me to give up on the Luna
Try the Mint disc lasso instead of the Luna.
I have a plasma proxy that never turns for me (even though my eagle envy does) but has a dependable fade.
Mint discs bullet for the luna replacement
Birdie disc golf marvel is what your looking for , get Jake wolf white out is what I throw for os Luna shot or get premium plastic marvel if u don’t want base plastic
Try Pa-3 it will hold with a nice fade on a any shot
P2 to replace the Luna and Watt to replace the Polecat
You need a P3x! Glides for days but finishes with good stability.
I’ve been throwing the Doomsday Rot for my OS throwing putter. I’ve hated every other Doomsday putter I’ve thrown, but the Rot is money.
I throw the stabilizer from streamline as my slightly over stable. It definitely comes new pretty beefy but nothing too crazy. I bag a Luna and a stabilizer. Luna being my straight to under stable and then stabilizer being slightly over stable. Then for over stable I throw a slammer. I also don’t care for the envy. I’m not sure why but just never cared for it.
Hope or Judge in Luna spot?
SIMON LINE PIXEL!!
Yay I’m early to a video!
I use a prodigy pa3 for that Luna spot
Robbie, you NEED the Mint Disc Apex Bullet, will change your life
Try the c line logic cosmic stone it is really good❤
Hot take - The Pig is not a putter; it's a mid-range.
I was thinking the exact same thing that although it’s one of those in between discs, it’s like saying I’m gonna play putter only round and you throw zones. I know there’s people on both sides of the equation think different ways, but I definitely feel like the pig from its shape and fly is meant to be some type of approach throwing and I personally would qualify not as a putter only but also not a mid range.
Either way after throwing some hot sauce Robbie’s way I really do love the video!
Actually played a course recently that was kind of open and decided to throw putters only and was very surprised that there was literally only one hole I couldn’t do better on with a whole bag of Discs! I can definitely say that with an under stable and a torque resistant putter you can probably throw as far as you can other Disc in your bag and it made me realize I need to start taking some of those on the top end out or only use them when I’m trying to do major flex lines, in open areas.
Need a rhyno or a tank. I use my eclipse proxy for that but u probably have more power
You should try the break 68