It's not nuts, it's the "economic" design. Bare minimum to reach the desired specs. That's how you make money. Have a product in mind, built the initial prototype (as say Donn did with his amphibious vehicle) from which you slowly start cutting away until you reach the bare minimum that does all the things the initial prototype was able to do. Sometimes, that's a good thing done, the item is lighter, and can even be made stronger, depending on how you make that structure. Most of the times, it's just to increase the outcome pay you get as a CEO. That tends to happen when a company reaches the "plateau" and the only way to go higher is either reinvent yourself or... start cutting corners. Small companies are able to reinvent themselves, they're agile and they come up with great solutions to the issue, big fat ones cannot, so they grow like a bad cell cluster by buying themselves out of obsolescence while reducing the quality of the product (theirs or the one they bought which had fame for being a great product). You can see that with many, many firms and brands. From basic locks "Master Lock" (which is something you can open with a plastic straw) to something like a once, great mountaineering shoe like the famed Danner mountain light, which they're not re-releasing... at something like 4 hundos... but with the inner construction of a cheap shoe you buy from undemocratic countries with sweatshops. C'est la vie.
Did the exact same thing to an Attex 6X6 years ago. Had a fortune in bearings,seals, and six new tires. Had a 20hp 2cycle air cooled engine in it. Would drive it for an hour and fix it for eight hours! Same type of ladder frame. My advice, beef up any frame work, install a small bilge pump, silicone all joints even if you think it's impossible to leak. Will be watching, brings back memories on this build!! Also by the time your done you will have a sore back from bending over all the time! 🙂
Интересный проект, тем более с вашим знанием и умением в итоге должен выйти хороший вездеход. Буду следить за восстановлением и с нетерпением буду ждать новые серии. Спасибо, всего вам самого хорошего. Всем мира, добра и любви.
I enjoy watching and have more respect for a person who gets the job done in a confined space and not a lot of the fancy gadgets as seen on a good amount of channels here on the Tube. I personal do all my work by myself I small garages and a few times without a roof over my head. Great to see another project. I'm late to check into the channel, but I will be binge watching this rebuild.
Thank you. The main area in my workahop is 35 m2, but the floor space is taken up by 1k62 lathe, work bench, cabinets, milling machine and welder. So I have even less actual work space. I'd like to upgrade workshop wise for sure.
Hope ARGO pays attention, to this series, they will get product improvement ideas. Hopefully they send supplies to Donn, as a thank you. Best wishes. From waaay North and West, of the ARGO factory.
Great to see you back Donn. Like all of your projects, this is going to be so interesting to follow along with. Your filming and editing is second to none. Good on yer man.
The amount of different skills Donn has is impressive. Not only does he know all the mechanical stuff and can weld, he also does his own CNC designs and cuts his videos himself. Also I'm impressed, that Donn finishes his projects, which is something I really struggle with.
Don, as someone who is somewhat familiar with glass fiber body shells, I suggest bracing and securing the top half with some straight (and flat) timbers then storing it horizontally, perhaps by suspending it in your ceiling space. If you keep it on its side, there is a very good chance it'll warp and by the time you get to reassembling the vehicle, everything will be out of alignment.
With channels favorites, I wait for a video series to be completed before watching-not an easy task. At times the hard part is knowing which episode is "the finale." Well; I've waited long enough to see if there would be an Ep. 7. So far I'm glad I waited-good stuff Donn as always. God bless.
If I remember correctly from an article I read on these years back, the Avenger never actually came with the tracks as standard. It was a pretty expensive optional extra that consisted of the tracks, those spacers and the wheel stud extenders. Because of that they were a ridiculously rare piece of kit on the civilian supplied vehicles. A few countries ordered them for their military with the track kits, but found that, with the added leverage that spacing the wheels out caused, the kit put too much load on the front and rear wheel outer bearings, and they could fail alarmingly quickly. There was something in the user manual about the tracks only being for soft/boggy conditions though, and the militaries acknowledged that they'd been using them on ALL TERRAINS with the track kits fitted, so the complaints about premature bearing failure were classed as the users being at fault. I've got a vague memory about talk of an alternative spacer setup to fix this problem. It was either going to add alloy spacers blocks between the bearing carriers and the hull on the front and rear wheels (The middle pairs would still use the original kits spacers and stud extenders), then use longer stub axles, or it involved complete replacement longer bearing carriers, with upgraded bearings spaced further apart, and longer stub axles. I don't know if that redesign ever got passed the planning stage, or if it was something that made it into later versions, but I couldn't see it being that hard to make a kit of parts yourself with the tools and skills you already have.
Well it did look bit weak setup to my eye, it seems i was right. This is ridiculous given the current pricing of these vehicles even with out track kit, let alone part prices for transmission alone. Wondered about getting transmission and building my own but its 3-4K that is more than my cars combined are worth, so no go
@@garthmonday Unfortunately not. I used to buy any random car magazines that took my eye, so the short list pretty much consists of any that were published in the UK between the late 80's to the mid 2010's. It could have been in any of the many classic car mag, one of the handful of military vehicle mags I'd pick up (used to want something like a steyr/puch haflinger, or even a 4x4 pinzgouer, so would buy any mag that had a feature on either), or it could even have been in Practical Performance Car, as they'd often do features on random project cars, and for particularly obscure ones they'd usually give a fair amount of background for the vehicle type in general. About the only things I remember that could help identify the actual article was that the project car they were doing the feature on was bright orange, and there was a rather cringeworthy staged photo of it in a lake, with one of the guys onboard standing up, and casting with a fishing rod.
@@Reman1975 Well, thanks anyway for remembering that level of detail. I've only ever driven later model Argo's with tracks. We gave them quite a bit of abuse. I feel a bit leery in retrospect, considering some of the design shortcomings.
Superb video. Enjoy watching men work on their stuff by themselves. Reminds me of a certain tv show from the 1970’s: “Steve Austin, astronaut: a man barely alive Gentlemen we can rebuild him We have the technology We have the capability to make the worlds first bionic man Steve Austin will be that man Better than he was before Better, Stronger, Faster”
Very ambitious project! Better check those chains for stretch/wear. Count 20 links or so. Look up the nominal pitch. Tension the chain. Measure your counted links. See how much longer your chains are than nominal. There will be a specification for how much stretch/wear is allowable. If the chains are too worn, you will have to replace the sprockets, too, or the new chain will wear out very quickly.
1:14 Tip - Run the chain like you have it, but also around the uprights. Less chance of the chain slipping off the forks. Could also clamp a Vise-Grip to the end of the forks. Drilling a hole in the tip of the fork really weakens it. I like what you're doing. It must be really satisfying to tear down & rebuild things correctly.
Watching you tear that apart I could see your mind planning ahead and saying yeah I'll change that, alter this, scrap that and yeah Im defo gonna fit one of those right there... I can tell already that you're going to have far too much fun with this project 😂😂😂 And I cant wait to watch it all 👍
Welcome back Donn hope you had a nice break. Argo 6x6 and 8x8 loved them in the 60s my neighbour had one a 6x6 it was used as a emergence rescue vehicle it was a fun little thing he made lots of mods for it chain oiler electronic ignition and if i remember right the engine was a diesel. Looking forward to this restore build.
Argocat.. You brave man!! 😂 There are many things that had me scratching my head... And then shaking it in disbelief... When servicing them... Good luck!!! 😊
I had an 82 Argo amphicat 6 wheel it was a total tear down replacing every seal bearing chain you name it but it sure was a pretty machine when I finished it.
Glad you're back posting more epic videos. That machine wasn't exactly "built to last" now, was it? I can't wait to see the improvements you will come up with!
I love it. I must admit i am a bit jealous😁 i hope i get the chance to buy one of theese cheap one day. We used to have two at work, but the new boss decided we dont need them and got rid of them 😑
bien gros travail en perspective toutefois soyez gentil de maitre le système de traduction car tous le monde ne parle pas américain et surtout pas moi j'aime bien ce que vous faites cet engin est très valable moi je demeure autour d'une étendue d'eau et si ça pouvais ce trouver ici quel bonheur mais continuez votre action je vous regarde ..bravo et merci.....
Okay, another interesting project rebuild... I'm in... I like the way you disassemble things to make sure when they go back together, they are perfectly working correctly and look great too... Thumbs Up!
Hey Donn, got another big project to redo and make it better!!! Looking forward to the ride along with you. Thanks for sharing with us. Hope the family is doing fine, stay safe and have fun. Fred.
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Anybody know what size engine that supposed to be how many horsepower or Ccs
@@glbaker5595 the older ones were 650 twin to 850 twin good little engines
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Good to see you back on a project. That inner frame design is just nuts. That the factory did that is even more insane
It's not nuts, it's the "economic" design. Bare minimum to reach the desired specs.
That's how you make money. Have a product in mind, built the initial prototype (as say Donn did with his amphibious vehicle) from which you slowly start cutting away until you reach the bare minimum that does all the things the initial prototype was able to do.
Sometimes, that's a good thing done, the item is lighter, and can even be made stronger, depending on how you make that structure. Most of the times, it's just to increase the outcome pay you get as a CEO.
That tends to happen when a company reaches the "plateau" and the only way to go higher is either reinvent yourself or... start cutting corners.
Small companies are able to reinvent themselves, they're agile and they come up with great solutions to the issue, big fat ones cannot, so they grow like a bad cell cluster by buying themselves out of obsolescence while reducing the quality of the product (theirs or the one they bought which had fame for being a great product).
You can see that with many, many firms and brands. From basic locks "Master Lock" (which is something you can open with a plastic straw) to something like a once, great mountaineering shoe like the famed Danner mountain light, which they're not re-releasing... at something like 4 hundos... but with the inner construction of a cheap shoe you buy from undemocratic countries with sweatshops.
C'est la vie.
Did the exact same thing to an Attex 6X6 years ago. Had a fortune in bearings,seals, and six new tires.
Had a 20hp 2cycle air cooled engine in it. Would drive it for an hour and fix it for eight hours! Same type of ladder frame. My advice, beef up any frame work, install a small bilge pump, silicone all joints even if you think it's impossible to leak. Will be watching, brings back memories on this build!! Also by the time your done you will have a sore back from bending over all the time! 🙂
2 thumbs up!
I live in the Argo capital of the world, Alaska. So this will be fun to watch you work your wizardry on
taking off the front and back wheels was a 200iq move, well done sir.
Интересный проект, тем более с вашим знанием и умением в итоге должен выйти хороший вездеход. Буду следить за восстановлением и с нетерпением буду ждать новые серии. Спасибо, всего вам самого хорошего. Всем мира, добра и любви.
I enjoy watching and have more respect for a person who gets the job done in a confined space and not a lot of the fancy gadgets as seen on a good amount of channels here on the Tube. I personal do all my work by myself I small garages and a few times without a roof over my head. Great to see another project. I'm late to check into the channel, but I will be binge watching this rebuild.
Thank you. The main area in my workahop is 35 m2, but the floor space is taken up by 1k62 lathe, work bench, cabinets, milling machine and welder. So I have even less actual work space. I'd like to upgrade workshop wise for sure.
So good ii boss part2 👍👍👍✌️✌️😊😊
Great video. 👍 One thing is for sure, it will be better than new when you are finished. Looking forward to more episodes.
Hope ARGO pays attention, to this series, they will get product improvement ideas. Hopefully they send supplies to Donn, as a thank you.
Best wishes.
From waaay North and West, of the ARGO factory.
Schön bist wieder da und ein tolles Video ! 😁😁
He's back 🔥
Donn, you chose this project well. I think this series will garner a high viewership.
Always glad to see a new post! Good luck on the new build.
Great to see you back Donn. Like all of your projects, this is going to be so interesting to follow along with. Your filming and editing is second to none.
Good on yer man.
What a beautiful project vehicle! I can't wait to see how you will improve the design to make it more sturdy and reliable 😍
The design needs it!
Радий бачити нове відео, хотілося би частіше.
Ваші проекти завжди цікаво дивитися...
The amount of different skills Donn has is impressive. Not only does he know all the mechanical stuff and can weld, he also does his own CNC designs and cuts his videos himself.
Also I'm impressed, that Donn finishes his projects, which is something I really struggle with.
My sawmill project is unfinished at the moment. But I'm hoping to get back to it soon.😀
Don, as someone who is somewhat familiar with glass fiber body shells, I suggest bracing and securing the top half with some straight (and flat) timbers then storing it horizontally, perhaps by suspending it in your ceiling space.
If you keep it on its side, there is a very good chance it'll warp and by the time you get to reassembling the vehicle, everything will be out of alignment.
With channels favorites, I wait for a video series to be completed before watching-not an easy task. At times the hard part is knowing which episode is "the finale."
Well; I've waited long enough to see if there would be an Ep. 7. So far I'm glad I waited-good stuff Donn as always. God bless.
If I remember correctly from an article I read on these years back, the Avenger never actually came with the tracks as standard. It was a pretty expensive optional extra that consisted of the tracks, those spacers and the wheel stud extenders. Because of that they were a ridiculously rare piece of kit on the civilian supplied vehicles.
A few countries ordered them for their military with the track kits, but found that, with the added leverage that spacing the wheels out caused, the kit put too much load on the front and rear wheel outer bearings, and they could fail alarmingly quickly. There was something in the user manual about the tracks only being for soft/boggy conditions though, and the militaries acknowledged that they'd been using them on ALL TERRAINS with the track kits fitted, so the complaints about premature bearing failure were classed as the users being at fault. I've got a vague memory about talk of an alternative spacer setup to fix this problem. It was either going to add alloy spacers blocks between the bearing carriers and the hull on the front and rear wheels (The middle pairs would still use the original kits spacers and stud extenders), then use longer stub axles, or it involved complete replacement longer bearing carriers, with upgraded bearings spaced further apart, and longer stub axles.
I don't know if that redesign ever got passed the planning stage, or if it was something that made it into later versions, but I couldn't see it being that hard to make a kit of parts yourself with the tools and skills you already have.
Well it did look bit weak setup to my eye, it seems i was right. This is ridiculous given the current pricing of these vehicles even with out track kit, let alone part prices for transmission alone. Wondered about getting transmission and building my own but its 3-4K that is more than my cars combined are worth, so no go
Do you remember where/when that article was?
@@garthmonday Unfortunately not. I used to buy any random car magazines that took my eye, so the short list pretty much consists of any that were published in the UK between the late 80's to the mid 2010's. It could have been in any of the many classic car mag, one of the handful of military vehicle mags I'd pick up (used to want something like a steyr/puch haflinger, or even a 4x4 pinzgouer, so would buy any mag that had a feature on either), or it could even have been in Practical Performance Car, as they'd often do features on random project cars, and for particularly obscure ones they'd usually give a fair amount of background for the vehicle type in general.
About the only things I remember that could help identify the actual article was that the project car they were doing the feature on was bright orange, and there was a rather cringeworthy staged photo of it in a lake, with one of the guys onboard standing up, and casting with a fishing rod.
@@Reman1975 Well, thanks anyway for remembering that level of detail. I've only ever driven later model Argo's with tracks. We gave them quite a bit of abuse. I feel a bit leery in retrospect, considering some of the design shortcomings.
Comment of author about disassembling sometimes more interesting then disassembling work😄 Thanks!
Wow Donn it’s been a long time between drinks (videos). I sincerely hope that you and your family are safe and well?
We are, thanks for the concern.
Superb video. Enjoy watching men work on their stuff by themselves.
Reminds me of a certain tv show from the 1970’s:
“Steve Austin, astronaut: a man barely alive
Gentlemen we can rebuild him
We have the technology
We have the capability to make the worlds first bionic man
Steve Austin will be that man
Better than he was before
Better, Stronger, Faster”
I’m going to like this series!
Nice to see you got one.
Very ambitious project!
Better check those chains for stretch/wear. Count 20 links or so. Look up the nominal pitch. Tension the chain. Measure your counted links. See how much longer your chains are than nominal. There will be a specification for how much stretch/wear is allowable. If the chains are too worn, you will have to replace the sprockets, too, or the new chain will wear out very quickly.
Great to see an Argo 8 on this channel
Annddd we are back!! Woohoo!!! Excited to see how you beef it up.
The best that could happen to this vehicle, getting in your hands!
👍👍👍
Скорей бы продолжение, просто всегда приятно посмотреть 👍👍👍
That baby wants a tonne of love- your the man, Donn!
Wow, interesting project Donn. I've always wanted to see how the internals of those things work!
1:14 Tip - Run the chain like you have it, but also around the uprights. Less chance of the chain slipping off the forks. Could also clamp a Vise-Grip to the end of the forks.
Drilling a hole in the tip of the fork really weakens it.
I like what you're doing. It must be really satisfying to tear down & rebuild things correctly.
Watching you tear that apart I could see your mind planning ahead and saying yeah I'll change that, alter this, scrap that and yeah Im defo gonna fit one of those right there...
I can tell already that you're going to have far too much fun with this project 😂😂😂
And I cant wait to watch it all 👍
8x8 and tracked? Now, that's just overkill.
Welcome back been a hard winter ☃️
Welcome back. Good job 👍👍👍Thank you for sharing. Be safe 🇨🇦
Thank you, an another project to follow ,always a pleasure watch your project 👍👍👍👍
Pretty good.
Thanks for sharing
This is going to be one heck of an awesome project. Can't wait to see full restoration of this beast. 😊
Enjoyable video. I live 15 minutes from Argo in Canada
Back in with you on this one bud
Glad to see you back videoing again. Missed your content.🇨🇦👍
Welcome back Donn hope you had a nice break. Argo 6x6 and 8x8 loved them in the 60s my neighbour had one a 6x6 it was used as a emergence rescue vehicle it was a fun little thing he made lots of mods for it chain oiler electronic ignition and if i remember right the engine was a diesel. Looking forward to this restore build.
Argocat.. You brave man!! 😂 There are many things that had me scratching my head... And then shaking it in disbelief... When servicing them... Good luck!!! 😊
Now I'm excited. Love those argo 8wheelers. I'll be looking for the next episode for sure.
An electric conversion of this would be awesome. A motor for each track would simplify things too.
I'm only here for those occasional super awesome kickflips... 😎👍
Excited to see how you "Donn-ify" this to make it more robust.
I had an 82 Argo amphicat 6 wheel it was a total tear down replacing every seal bearing chain you name it but it sure was a pretty machine when I finished it.
What an excellent project.😀👍
Yayyyy, a new project to look forward to every week! Love watching your videos, greetings for central Texas.
Missed you Donn, glad you are back!
Glad you're back posting more epic videos. That machine wasn't exactly "built to last" now, was it? I can't wait to see the improvements you will come up with!
Excellent. Great project!
Good to see you again Donn! Thank you for showing us your projects!
I love it. I must admit i am a bit jealous😁 i hope i get the chance to buy one of theese cheap one day. We used to have two at work, but the new boss decided we dont need them and got rid of them 😑
What a find, I have seen a few wheeled Argos, but not one with the tracks on. Wonderful start Sir, and looking forward to the rest of it.
thank you my friend...
Enjoyed watching all the projects and how you have built your channel over the years ... all the best from Arkansas!!!
bien gros travail en perspective toutefois soyez gentil de maitre le système de traduction car tous le monde ne parle pas américain et surtout pas moi j'aime bien ce que vous faites cet engin est très valable moi je demeure autour d'une étendue d'eau et si ça pouvais ce trouver ici quel bonheur mais continuez votre action je vous regarde ..bravo et merci.....
Your back! My heart is now whole again!
This should be a fun one. Thanks for sharing!
You'll make it real nice!😎
Man I remember when u had like 5 thousand subscribers. Congrats on all your hard work !
Love an argo cat a very handy bit of kit
Looks like a fun project, looking forward to this series.
Yeah!! Your back. Hope all is well
Hello from Finland 👋😃
We've missed you Donn, Glad to see you're back.
Okay, another interesting project rebuild... I'm in... I like the way you disassemble things to make sure when they go back together, they are perfectly working correctly and look great too... Thumbs Up!
I'm sure you will remake the poorly designed suport frame so it's better than new looking forward to part 2 allready 😊
Great video, you are very knowledgeable and thank you for sharing, Mark from Australia! 😀👍
I can say if for some reason I need work done I’m going to this guy. Now I have to find the next part of this rebuild.😂
Awesome video as always! thanks!!
Glad to see you again! Hope everything is okay ❤
Cool! A new entertainment from your chanel 😀 have fun and stay safe ❤🎉
Looks like a fun project, you see a bunch of them here in Minnesota,especially up north. Can’t wait to see it done.
Pozdrav iz Slovenije Ljutomer 👍👍👍👍
Офигенно, с дымком...
Looks like you're gonna be busy !
J'ai hâte!! Nous verrons la suite avec plaisir. I ritte it in French for youre pleasure man!
Excited to see the notification of a new video!
Hello from the Netherlands.
thanks for the video Donn .
Sincerely Hollandduck
Great project 👍
Hello Donn very interesting project good job well done
We should make a list of silly "upgrades" for him to design in, as part of the rebuild. Like an old fashion goose gun mounted on the bow... ;)
Gonna need lots of Donny love.
Great video! I'm in the middle of a rebuild on a very similar model (750 HDI). Same broken frame issue - very common. Can't wait to see some more!
Tere tulemast tagasi. Rõõm näha.
Käisid juba igasugu mõtted siin peast läbi.
Tervitused Õismäelt, Kadrinast ja Pärnust!
Génial, vivement la suite 👍👍👍
hard at it, I see. This one's going to take some skills.
Big job! Lots of episodes. Keep ‘em coming!
Love to watch your channel donn using a snow plow power angle idea I totally stole from you thanks man
Argo - Made in Canada. New Hamburg - about 1.5 hours from my place
Man it's great seeing you back 😮 been a good while
I like your trailer set up
Always great to see you Donny .
This should be fun. 👍🏻👏
Hey Donn, got another big project to redo and make it better!!! Looking forward to the ride along with you. Thanks for sharing with us. Hope the family is doing fine, stay safe and have fun. Fred.
When we know that you made your own amphibious vehicle, the restoration of this one promises to be very interesting 😁🤩👍