Olive Oatman: Life among the Mohave
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In 1889 at age 3, my great-grandfather wandered off during the night when his family was moving from central Minnesota to the northern part of the state. They searched for him for a few days but figured he died or was killed by a wolf, so they moved on. Sometime later they heard about a little blond boy living in an Ojibwa village about 100 miles south, and were reunited. They always lived around the Native Americans there, and he was able to converse with the Ojibwa and Chippewa in their languages.
Amazing story!
Moral of the story: don't move to northern Minnesota. lol. Great story, thank you for sharing.
Wow, that's crazy. I'm glad he was reunited. I live in St. Louis and there's a street named Chippewa. 😮
Glad to hear he wasn’t killed out in the wild! That’s a crazy story!!
OMG WHAT
The Tattoos Olive and her Sister received were actually blue and the primary ingredient was a local agave plant. The Mojave didn't tattoo them as a mere "sign of respect", but the meaning runs far, far deeper than that.
In Mojave Cosmology, when the Dead reach the Underworld (all people end up here), the shades of the former living are almost indistinguishable from one another. The facial tattoos the Mojave put on one another, however, remained very distinct and carried into the Underworld: It was the way that the Mojave would be able to recognize one another and live together there.
Thus, the Mojave tattooing Olive and her Sister actually meant that they saw both of them as literal fellow Mojave. The Mojave actually loved the two of them, and Olive's claim in "her" memoir of her experiences (which were in fact dictated to a third party) that the Mojave were cruel and never truly accepted the Oatmans is patently false.
Amazing! Thank you for sharing that!
Karma maybe? Look at all the atrocities committed by supposed God Fearing whites.
They were taught one of the greatest core values of life that so many Native American cultures have built and sustained themselves on for millennia:
Take Care of Each Other
She lost two families. 😔 That must’ve been so hard...
Yeah, that’s rough af 😔
@@leek.3671 Women are more resilient than men. They give birth. Any questions?
@@imouse3246 Life's better when men and women cooperate, instead of compete. Can we stop this divisive "battle of the sexes" bull$h¡t already, please?
@@deadparrot5953 Men are horny, all of the time. Kinda like god screwed things up a bit, no?
@@imouse3246 No, they're not. Not all men have allowed themselves to be influenced by our hypersexualized modern society. Such as my husband. There are good men out there. Please don't tar everyone with the same brush.
I lived a long time in Needles California in the Mojave Desert. The Mohave Tribe has their tribal headquarters there. Just across the Colorado River is Oatman AZ. It is named after Olive and every one in the area knows her story.
Yep.
Amazingly Enough l lived in BHC for years and never heard about until now. Been to Oatman dozens of time too.
I lived in Oatman for 10 years in the 90s! Had a ton of fun there.
@@DesertFernweh Amazing to have lived in Bullhead and gone to Oatman and not have run into this story. Almost every shop in Oatman sells a little book about her. Just like everyone tells about Clark Gable and Carole Lombard spending their honeymoon in the Oatman Hotel. A lot of history along that valley.
I lived in bhc I had no idea about this
Famous last words of American settlers: "We should have waited a few years and taken the train.
Trains were also held up and people murdered/ stolen from. But yeah, much much safer.
@EmperorJuliusCaesar diaper wearing demons
@Rosco P. Coltrane i thought you went exstinked
@EmperorJuliusCaesar muricans for ya
@Rosco P. Coltrane Ow. The edge.
How has the life of Olive Oatman not been made into a movie ? Great work the Biographics team.
I've wondered the same.
@@ShunyamNiketana Probably because in the current political climate, depicting on film Native Americans slaughtering a white family out of greed then enslaving, torturing and raping the female children wouldn't go over well with the extremely left wing people in control of Hollywood. Mr Whistlers version of this story is the rose tinted glasses version or what happened. She was horribly abused, used as little more than a beast of burden who was taunted, beaten and abused by every section of Native society, from the adults to the children. When they fist killed her family they found special enjoyment in tormenting her every time she showed any signs of grief.
Native Americans were VERY rapey with captured women, something frequently left out of modern depictions that tend to show them as noble victims, but in reality it was a fairly standard, brutal tribal society. She was nicknamed Spantsa, a Mohave word having to do with unquenchable lust or thirst (or potentially "rotten womb"), which should give you some idea of how she was treated. A childhood friend of hers that she reconnected with after her release later described her as being "in mourning" over her release as she had been "married" (likely at the age of about 15) and bore two sons. In the end she was probably dealing with some form of Stockholm syndrome as well as genuine loss by being separated from her children.
Look up ‘dances with wolves’ it’s not this exact story but a story about a young women who was adopted into a Native American tribe after family massacre and it’s a beautiful love story too.
Because most of her memoir was crap and and the man that wrote the book put a bunch of lies in her book so they could sell more books.
Yes, Stratton was a bullshiter. @@mummler
she has this strange intimidating beauty in the few photos that remain of her. besides her physical attraction, there is something about her eyes and stare... like there is nothing that can bring her down and a sense of measured confidence... I don't know, but it's very admirable. I respect her.
i agree. she was clearly very strikingly beautiful
I agree!
She was a fighter and survivor, and also externally gorgeous as well
That's more of a stare of total hopelessness.
ABSOLUTELY MY FRIEND !!!
I WOULD TRULY DREAD AND FEAR THE VERY THOUGHT OF HAVING TO WALK EVEN ONE MILE IN HER SHOE'S !!!
MAY OUR HEAVENLY FATHER TRULY HAVE MERCY APON HER SOUL !!!
THIS AMAZING YOUNG WOMAN TRULY DESERVES OUR PRAYERS !!!
I lived in the high desert of California for about 10 years. You cannot imagine the beauty of it, the wide open spaces surrounded by mountain ranges that block most weather fronts from penetrating the vastness. There are white light mornings and vanilla sunsets, contrasted with other days of sunrises and sunsets painted from a vivid palette of colors. The heat of Summer contrasts with the wind and sometimes biting cold of Winter, which is followed by a brief but spectacular explosion of colors heralding Spring. Even autumn has its own loveliness, but do not expect the fall foliage of the East Coast. There is little humidity in the desert and even less rainfall. However, the late summer thunderstorms with their flashes of lightning streaking through black low-hanging clouds and followed by sometimes triple full bow rainbows can leave you mute with wonder. I miss living there, so very much.
my california high desert sounds a lot different from yours...
@@BrookeBaubles--I'm sorry that you can't see the innate beauty of the CA high desert. Not everyone feels that every place should be LA, NYC, or Vegas.
@@onemercilessming1342 I literally would never want to live in any of those cities. I'm not sure why you read so much into my reply. You just sound really bitter.
@@BrookeBaubles--You sound really immature. If you read bitterness into a reply, that says sooo much more about you than it does me. You are aware, of course, about assuming things about others, right? POOR YOU.
@@onemercilessming1342 have fun being bitter :p
I have seen her before and knew part of her story but did not know of her brothers struggle. That's real love and dedication.
Olive Oatman was my 14th cousin thrice removed. Many years ago my grandmother gave me the book about her. I don't know if she knew we were related to Olive Oatman or not. Thank you for making this video available for people to watch about my cousin.
This is the very definition of ‘I know a guy’
Oh shut up.
My cousin lol
Read the comments I left above
Well, by your definition, probably half of the U.S. is related to her!
Then there's the Cynthia Parker story. I think a few movies were made based on her life. In Texas there is a state park (Fort Parker) near Mexia built by her family. She was captured there by the Comanches before she was a teen. She became the mother of Comanche chief Quanah. Unlike Olive Oatman she had forgotten how to speak English and never felt comfortable away from her "adoptive" tribe.
A very good book Ride the Wind portreys Cynthia's story sympathetically
@@ScorpionFlower95 > Right. Same concept except that more than a century ago when Parker was kidnapped they didn't have a name for it. The science of psychiatry may not have existed then or was in its infancy, I don't know. She was kidnapped long before Freud was born. Maybe they could call it the Cynthia Parker Syndrome. Then again someone will point out that some ancient people kidnapped the women of their enemies and made them wives who became assimilated. Maybe a Canaanite or Hittite Syndrome, or something? I guess the latest is the greatest. If you can find a shrink who has done a study and can coin a term you get the naming rights I guess.
Del Stanley One of my favorite books is about her, Ride the Wind by Maria St Clare Robson. Excellent book.
Starr Child Possibly, it’s been years since I read it. She has written several books based on historical characters and Native Americans.
I’ll have to read them again!
Good luck finding them 🤞
You can also read Empire of the Summer Moon.
I was born in the Mojave Desert near the banks of th Mojave River and lived there until I was seventeen. It is truly a magical place, awesome with awe-inspiring sounds and smells and sights. I can only imagine the Mojave that Olive knew before the destruction caused by the off-road vehicles that turned a paradise into ruts and dust.
I can't begin to imagine what she must have gone through, but I do admire her fortitude and courage.
@Gipsy Danger she looks like a female dwight schrute....dig the pacific rim yt tag lol
@Gipsy Danger nope that's why i clicked the video...
Detroit I happen to be one of those “damn injuns” (although I belong to one of the five civilized tribes) and I’ll thank you for keeping a civil tongue in your head.
Jaynie Nowell-Snoke My grand daughter married a member of the Cherokee Tribe. His father and mother are both Cherokee. Nations and Bands recognized by the United States government, and representing 250,000 Federally recognized Cherokees whom my grand son in law is one, have headquarters in Tahlequah, Oklahoma. He is in the Army and is a wonderful young man. They have a son who is the spitting image of his dad.
Jaynie Nowell-Snoke My grand daughter married a member of the Cherokee Tribe. His father and mother are both Cherokee. Nations and Bands recognized by the United States government, and representing 250,000 Federally recognized Cherokees whom my grand son in law is one, have headquarters in Tahlequah, Oklahoma. He is in the Army and is a wonderful young man. They have a son who is the spitting image of his dad. Nice to meet you Jaynie. Your pride in being Native American is clear to see. The troll is an idiot.
This was so interesting. I’d never heard this story before.
I lived there for 5years
@@TheAngelGen - On TH-cam?
@Emily White You must read!
For further reading on this time, I’d recommend “Empire of the Summer Moon”. It has a similar story with a girl named Cynthia Ann Parker.
There's a lot you don't know about.
This is just prime for a major film adaptation or mini series on Olive's life. Wow, what a tale.
I agree. I think India Eisley would be ideal for the part of older Olive Oatman. WDYT?
yes, but hollywood would be too fearful to do it.
No way, the woke mob would lose their mind!!
I'm sitting here thinking how shitty my life is, then I read about people from history.
I know what you mean. When I was pregnant and feeling miserable, I read Diaries of Women on the Journey Westward. The part about a a pregnant women delivering a baby in the family's wagon while surrounded by native Americans trying to kill them gave me real pause. No more sympathy for me!
This is one fascinating tale finally heard. Heartbreaking 'as she went to her sister's grave one last time' before leaving with her rescuer.
The show Hell on Wheels had a character based on her. Became fascinated with who she was. Great to see Biographics do an episode on her!
Happy to see another person who watched Hell on Wheels
Me too! Loved that show!
That show had me hooked from the first few minutes
Best series 👏
Our Māori woman still have chin tattoos “moko “ here in New Zealand 🇳🇿 😎👍 I like this story
I shared this video with a friend of mine who really admires your newscaster who got her Maori tattoos and was allowed to keep her job. I couldn't remember this girl's name, but I had been to a small town on the California/Arizona border where she lived so I immediately thought of her when I saw the NZ story.
I saw the moko and clicked as a fellow kiwi
Lizz ES Kia Ora cuzzy Lol 😎👍🇳🇿
So do the Hoopa, Karuk, Yurok, Wiyot, and a few other tribes in Northern California. We call it the 111 (one-eleven).
That is what I thought the story would be about based on the photo. The similarities are intriguing
Members of the Oatman Family are still alive in California. All women and I am one of them. My grandfather was the last of the male Oatmans. They originally were from Holland but I don't remember the exact spelling of the name Oatman.
If you were to literaly translate Oatman to dutch it would be Haverman, though it could also be that they only changed some letters to make it easier to say in english. A possibility that come to mind is Ootman/Ottman or other variations of this in which it can be spelled, of which Ootman would sonically be the most similar to Oatman
@@sjoerdboogert9896 almost the same as swedish oat translates to havre
Ok Srerling
@@sjoerdboogert9896 My Danish ancestors weren't that sharp when they came to the US.
Hello there am Mojave Indian born and raised in Needles,CA ...we all know of the story of Olive Oatman, that's cool she's your family...the descendant of the Family who took care of her are still here, the Oach Family
Thank you Simon and Shell! You guys are keeping a huge part of my sanity intact during this pandemic quarantine. Please stay safe and healthy, wherever you are. Also, PLEASE keep doing videos forever??? Cheers!
Best bio you've produced that I've watched in a long time.
The author of the book I read about Olive Oatman believed she was happy with the Mohave.I concluded she was a person who was able to adapt to what ever circumstances she found herself in, hence the reason she was able to comfortably return to "civilised" life.
A book also worth checking out:
'Scalp Dance: Indian Warfare on the High Plains, 1865-1879'
Based on first hand accounts and drawn from primary sources of the settling of the American West.
Just noted it in me Goodreads! Thanks.
@BULL SCHEIST Makes one reconsider the Liberal myth of the pure and innocent Noble Savage. Were there stories of those who were happy to go native? Sure. But you were more likely to end up the opposite. And if you were female a village slave, used for labor. And used for sex by the men and hated by the women.
The Blue Tattoo is an in-depth book about Olive's experience.
In my teens I read a book (probably long out of print) titled "Death on Horseback", which gave detailed information about the Indian wars. Very informative, also very graphic and gruesome.
And the immigrant muslims have a kind-of twisted view of Americans! Check it out?
Any hell on wheels fans in here ???
Great series. The Swede was an incredible villain.
here!
Right here, my man!
One of the best series in years. Really miss it.
That’s why I clicked on this video :)
Simon, your voice entrances me! I listen to your shows every morning on the drive to work. You’ve completely replaced radio talk shows for me! Keep it up!!!❤️❤️❤️
"Wow" that is all i can say. Great story Thank you for all you do to bring us this program.
1:35 - Chapter 1 - The road to hell is paved with good intentions
4:40 - Chapter 2 - Just a few names among the dead
10:10 - Mid roll ads
11:50 - Chapter 3 - From slave to treasure
15:55 - Chapter 4 - The desperate search of a heartbroken brother
I think this is my favorite bio yet. I had heard of Olive, but thanks for fleshing the story out, Simon.
that was the most fascinating video you've done so far! LOVED IT.
Very much like “I’ll be right back” in a horror film, hearing “let’s take a shortcut” never seems to end well.
Not to mention a man who thinks it's a good idea for a woman nine months pregnant to be tossed around in a wagon all day.
"this one goes to 11" You are always head and shoulders above the crowd but in this biography you were truly exceptional. Having left England college, at 28😏, for California. 20+ years on I often find intellectually fulfilling, never mind inspiring, experiences beyond my own, my grown sons and a small, very small, circle of friends. The content, rich details, your commitment to including only the facts you can verify and, honestly, your presentation which was as near to perfect as we humans can reach. Dude, you were in "the Jeopardy zone"! This sense of mental contentment, that there is no more to seek, is such an unfamiliar state for me. Thank you for your dedication, high standards and, of course, all the content on your outstanding channels. I and my boys have learned so much through this "entertainment"... inspiring!
What a total warrior. I am in awe of her experience.
One of your best videos.I visited the town of Oatman several years ago and became fascinated by the story of Olive and her family.
That was fascinating
My man
The The of
Watching updates on West Taiwan later.
This reminds me of the book Follow The River. These stories are devastating and yet so inspiring. Hard times..
What an absolutely amazing story. I several times in my life have seen the old Daguerreotype of the "tattooed While Girl" and would have never guessed she had the intense life that she did. Not ever. Thank you for bringing these details to life, delivered with both a refreshing, intense wit and a natural, splendid Anglo accent. Love your uploads, keep up the dazzling work.
Great job of Narration and Info., Simon! Always look forward to your videos!
You always go deeper into the subject. Thanks!
For anyone wondering, Olive is buried in Sherman, Texas. You can freely visit the cemetery. It is about an hour North of Dallas. The cemetery is located just West of Hwy 75, near downtown.
I clicked on this by mistake as i put my phone on the side as i went to brush my teeth.
Engrossed immediately. Wow what a brave women
I just love the work you do. They are so interesting and well explained. Please keep it up.
Very interesting and educational, well presented. great job, keep up the good work!
I loved hell on wheels and had no idea that there was any historical truth to that character!
but in hell on wheels she is called eva
@Duke of Haphazard - But is it based on her?
@@suprcrzy Eva was Mormon in the series, and it's a similiar story. Same tattoo. Eva's story took place in another area of the United State's. That's how she is based on Olive Oatman. The specifics are a bit different
@@bradalguire4039 - Thank you for the details. I was just joking with them, but I may need to give the series a watch! Im currently re watching the Sopranos, but I may have found something else to watch after that 🙂
suprcrzy hell on wheels is good, it was filmed not far from where I live in Canada 👌🏻
Great storytelling and back history. I've been to Oatman, Arizona and even bought & read the book about their story. Such times they endured.
I've heard this story so many times. But it's just something about they way Simon presented it, which struck me of how profound her story is.
10/10 👌👌
One of my residents a 90 year old lady has a picture of Olive on her wall. Similar to the one at 14:30
Shaun M Did you ask her why?
I first heard this story last night on travel channel mysteries at the museum. Your video was much more in depth and informative. 👍🏾
I loved that show!
What's ironic is I recently began binge watching Hell on Wheels for second time, there's a character in the series based upon Olive Oatman. I didn't realize this character was inspired by an actual historical figure.
Thank you. That was very interesting. I grew up seeing her picture in history books but never read anything so detailed like your documentary.
She was the real "Stands With a Fist".
Loved that story.
Thought the sane thing.
I’ve been looking for olive for months now and this just so happens to pop into my recommendations
Whenever I go on road trips, I’m always thankful for being born in today’s world. It usually takes us six hours of driving to get out of Texas, I couldn’t imagine how long it would take to get out of here on wagon.
NICE JOB!
Thanks for the video
Excellent video. Very interesting.
She looks like she's about to snap half the life out of the cosmos.
RennjiTheDK Oh my GOD lmao!!
RennjiTheDK she’s fairly strong, wouldn’t put it past her,
That looks like what they call the "thousand yard stare."
Thanks, I knew a bit about Olive Oatman since one of my favorite dinning places when we were out and about was the Olive Oatman Hotel in Oatman Arizona, they have the best "Navajo Taco's" I have ever chowed down on, and those burro's that inhabit Oatman about half the day are more then entertainment, they are a reason to take the drive up the Oatman Highway, a part of the old Route 66 that meanders over mountain and through the deserts of the Southwestern part of these United States. GOD HOW I MISS ARIZONA! this will probably be chiseled into my headstone when it is planted in the grave yard, perhaps in the not to distant future. Thanks for a look into the history of one of my favorite characters of the old west. Oh by the way, the Olive Oatman Hotel used to be a favorite of many of the movie stars of old, and is said to be haunted by a piano player who lived back in the day. The decor is fabulous, I drooled at the old rolling block Remington rifle that hangs on the wall above my favorite booth in the Olive Oatman!
Well, the correct name is just the "Oatman Hotel", without the Olive. Unless you are referring to the "Olive Oatman" restaurant, across the street, which makes more sense to me, because the nice people who own the restaurant are kind of known for their fry bread, and Navajo tacos. And, having once worked for them, I can confirm that those tacos are the best!
Wow! What an unbelievably tragic, yet at same time, uplifting story! I'd never heard of this before either.
Great video, extremely interesting. Thank you. :)
So basically they survived by the kindness of all the native women and girls.
Not all. Just two.
Taydra Cole-Williamson girls gotta look out for each other
@@tikimillie not all. Just two.
@@tikimillie gurrrl code!
@History with Felix
Your kind have no kindness for your own "kind" by far LOL.
Very cool video! On my grandpa's side of the family one of my great great (uncle or grandpa) married her cousin.
I live very close to Oatman, it has a lot of history, and it's full of old west buildings. There's pictures everywhere of Olive, and all about her life. Clark Gable, spent a night of his honeymoon, at the Oatman Hotel, and you can see the room they stayed in. My family goes there often for the history, and a fun day out. ✌
Wow ! Thanks for filling in the gaps of this story that I've heard many times . Most interesting 😉
Also, this is one of the more poetic of all the scripts I've watched you read Mr. Whistler! Macabre as it may be, I am enjoying this gruesome entertainment.
There is actually a town in Arizona named for her. Not really is so much of a town anymore than it is a tourist attractionbut I really enjoyed going to oatman when I was in Arizona during Christmas
I didn't realize Oatman was named after her. It's a cute town, I used to ride up there for spring runs and look at the burros.
I'm born and raised in Arizona. I live in Mohave County not far from Oatman, AZ. Love the video! Thanks Simon!
Thank you for the interesting story!
Please consider doing videos about Upton Sinclair, Jack London and Dennis Rader.
At least he told us how many times to click the fast forward threw the add.
Through
Thank you .
@@mule-RIA no problem, you obviously just made a common mistake I have made myself many times
HA! Word..
Never heard this story before, so interesting. Love this channel
I really enjoyed this biography
The character of Eva in the show Hell on Wheels was inspired by Olive Oatman.
There is a short film called “The Tonto Woman” based on an Elmore Leonard short story, it was up for an academy award. It’s about one woman’s difficulty returning to her former husband after living with the Tonto tribe. Very good film.
I have a ton of respect for the pioneers. I have a hard time just waking up for work.
Another awesome video..ty
Mohave Chief to Francisco: "This is not the girl you are looking for. We can go about our business. Move along."
Sky Den hahaha
@Sky Den The Force is strong with you.
Ive always loved how this channel brings to light the strong and sometimes forgotten women throughout history. Longtime fan and supporter of everyones dilligent and unbiased work here on biographics. Thanks for making the lesser known more then a headstone and footnote. Keep it up 🤘
beautiful story. thank you
This is your best channel yet!!!
I have driven in that area many times, I can't imagine trying to walk it or go over it in a oxen pulled wagon. The place is brutal.
I JUST went on a Google deep dive on Olive's life last night! I'm from AZ, so she has always interested me. Thank you for this great video!
If you are able to make it out to the burial site it is trip I would say you have to do. It so isolated yet breath taking at the same time.
Simon you are great!! I love the work that you and your team do - I look for all of your videos on all of your channels. You're a natural presenter and teacher. Keep up the good work! (But why Prague?)
Simon!! This is my first BIO Graphics video viewing and I'm pleasantly surprised to find out it's hosted by you! 😄
This story is hard to pin down because there was much fictionalization over the years.
I wonder about the family supposedly going to La Jolla, California. El Camino Real, the Royal Road, was the Catholic mission system from Mission San Diego to Mission San Francisco. I noticed a sign naming Mission San Gabriel in the video. That is in/at Los Angeles.
In the 1850's there was a boom in cattle prices due in part to gold mining in the north and other factors. This had to do with increased development of Spanish land grant ranchos in the La Jolla area. I married into a land grant family.
El Camino Real would not have been a 'road' from Arizona to California. The Oatman massacre is memorialized in Arizona and other than the Mojave native connection I have never heard the family had California connections.
The San Diego/La Jolla area was being developed. My in-laws had ranchos in the area at the time. It seems had the Oatmans made it to La Jolla, they would have stayed rather than blunder back across the desert to reach Arizona.
Native Californians had a diet based on acorns so I wonder is the 'jar of hazel nuts' was a jar of acorns? There is an American species of hazel nut but it is native to eastern and central US. It has small nuts.
Simon: Another pioneer story you might want to research and use is the 'Lost Meeks' who 'discovered' the Blue Bucket 'mine' while staggering across southern Oregon in a drought year. They were dying of malnutrition, some disease picked up along the way, etc., etc., etc. There isn't actually a mine. I have spent a lot of time in these areas and have done some actual research on the ground. I was told a 'secret' about the 'mine' but as I said, it was never a mine. (Probable location of the gold find, IMO, is what is now a large ranch in central Oregon.) These pioneers -- that I refer to erroneously as the Blue Bucketeers -- allegedly had NO, ZERO, ZILCH idea what raw gold looked like. Fantastic tales are told about nuggets being used for sinkers on fishing lines and even door stops.
Anna Morris I think you just figured out how historically inaccurate these videos are.
(Lorenzo lived another 40 something years after he found his sister!)
California has native hazel nuts but they definitely don’t grow in the Mojave desert.
@@xiaoka These videos are entertaining. It is hard to put together so many videos on historic subjects since lots of these subjects take days and weeks to fully grasp. This particular story is long known to have been confused, fictionalized and embellished and I am not sure any accurate report can be done. That said I am still trying to figure out how El Camino Real took the family to La Jolla, CA but they turned around and got massacred near Yuma, AZ. If I understood the video....?
Anna Morris Could they be confused with live oak acorns? And I agree with your thoughts about them staying in La Jolla. Why decide to go back again east once they reached the west?
Yes--there's some confusion when el Camino Real gets introduced. The Oatman family (as such) never made it to California. Perhaps you are confusing Las Vegas, NM with Las Vegas, NV and La Joya, NM with La Hoya, CA? All my reading indicates the Oatman family traveled SW from Santa Fe to Socorro and south to Tubac and Tucson (now AZ) along a route that was also known in New Mexico as el Camino Real.
Anyone remember the movie "A man called horse" ?
Yeah great movie ill never forget the manhood test in it.
Yes wasn't that Richard Harris?Interesting movie.I can't believe somene else remembers it.Good memory.
I know the story but havent seen it. My father really liked the film. Thanks for reminding me. With the internet today I'm sure I can find it. We never could find it for him to watch again.
Wolfmonkey
That movie scarred me for life. I remember being a little bitty kid watching the scene with the tree branches connected to his nipples. Let’s just say the only thing pierced on me are my ears, and I don’t even wear earrings anymore.
Melanie Toth it is on my Roku channel!
excellent video, very informative
Excellent! Thanks!
A book called, “Captured” by Scott Zesch, is a fascinating book about kidnapped frontier children. It examines how and why children were taken by tribes, what happened during and after they were released. We want clear good verses evil but humans are complex and experiences shape us. History can never be told in a box.
Carrise Moon Well said.
I always died of dysentery or my wagon was flooded, damn you Oregon Trail!
I loved that game simply for the hunting! I would play until my teacher kicked me off the computer! 😅
I always drowned trying to ford the river! Man, those were some good times...
@@tarajh I did that more than a few times! The times you made it make it worth it tho! 😅
Did you forget to stock up on your quinine?😉
@@mangot589 Quinine is for malaria. Not dysentery.
wow extremely entertaining. Your TH-cam channel is the best
Wow 👏 you are fantastic! Thank you 💜
Sounds like John Wayne's movie, The Searchers was inspired by this movie
Maybe even Tommy Lee Jones's, The Missing
I think it’s sad that she was forced to leave her second family. They treated her with kindness and treated her as one of their own. She learned their language and adopted their culture, but was forced back into a culture that probably only reminded her of her dead parents.
The European- American culture gave no rights to women ... among the hunter-gatherers women had freedom
@@johnbrennick8738 lol. Romantic nonsense. It varied tribe to tribe. The more primitive tribes lived as stone age people with little compassion or peace, not far removed from animals.
Absolutely fascinating.
Your voice and this story... excellent!
Ii highly suggest you read the book Empire of the Summer Moon, a really good book. I grew up in Kansas so native American history was mandatory learning in our state.
The original book states that the father Royce was hurt while helping build a well. As a result, his back hurt terribly in cold weather. So that was either an additional reason or the main reason why he wanted to go to the Southwest for a more arid climate.
The original book is full of sensationalism.
Remarkably interesting! Subbed!