Nioh (Zero Punctuation)
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This week, Zero Punctuation reviews Nioh.
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As an Irishman I can confirm that I'm constantly drunk and see demons.
Are they inner demons?
The daemons being the in-laws
It's not nice to call Protestants demons, you know.
so he got a weapon that the brittish had never seen before?
+Adam Ramon I just started my ng+ on Tales of Berseria, so that comment is even funnier to me
"An Irish sailor with the mysterious ability to see demons and guardian spirits, because he is Irish and therefore constantly drunk", Couldn't have summed it up better myself.
therefore*
Drink spirits to see spirits. Makes sense to me!
Well did you notice in the prologue the Medicine is in a bottle? I thought it was alcohol because medicine was shit back then, so I chugged that shit. It healed him and Williams is Irish so makes sense to me. Plus you can find Divine Bless- I mean Divine Sake laying around to keep William nice and full of alcohol.
therefore
*couldn't've summed et up bettre meself
That titanite line killed me, God bless you Yahtzee you beautiful man
That Titanite comment was hilarious
Tight tonight~
@@AsanpiCh exactly, titanite
"But what about ninjutsu? What about onmyo? Wasn’t he one of the Wombles?"
Godammit Yahtzee I was drinking milk.
So he kinda liked it? I suppose that's a win for Keanu Reeves. Shame the game didn't appeal to him that much.
Pretty sure he liked it, but didn't express as much love for it in the video. He doesn't want to sound redundant by repeating the praises everyone else is making for it, so he'd rather magnify the negative points for comedic effect. I'd advise you to check out Jim Sterling's review of the game wherein he gave it a 10/10 which is very rare for him. I don't want to put words into Yahtzee's mouth, but he's, in a sense, on the same wavelength as Jim Sterling as he once described in a Let's Play of his (I think it was one of the episodes of Let's Drown Out Dark Souls 2), which is why they ran a show together back in the day. So as far as I know, Yahtzee would agree with most of what Jim says, and he has probably read Jim's review before making his own review.
Yeah I'm pretty sure the only games he hasn't said anything negative about were Portal, Paper Mario 2, and Undertale.
NotAnElk and doom
+NotAnElk Let's not forget FIFA 13.
Jim's opinions are kinda shit so I'd advice against checking him out.
"Or a Japanese village in a forest, with a cave. These are sarcastic thoughts."- Yahtzee
I laughed way too hard at the last joke. "All good retailers and some dodgy ones."
"...a bit of scenery can really enhance smacking things about. That's why I put pot plants in my grandma's bedroom!"
Dark.
Just gotta say, the book he wrote is really freaking good. A bit of Douglas Adams style writing.
It's after watching a lot of Yahtzee's reviews can you watch one like this and realize he actually likes it
He liked the boss fights, yes, but not much else.
3:20I have never heard Yahtzee say fuck with such vigor before.
JUST GET TO A MILLION SUBS ALREADY JESUS
Evi1M4chine You're telling me he's not?
he's not at 1 mil? That's surprising
SATAN If I could subscribe twice, I would've already.... Geez, don't yell at me!
Gmayor61 Just subscribe, when you grow up you'll realise judging by the cover is often better than zeropuctuation.
+Gmayor61 The guy who does Judging by the Cover is so much funnier than the guy who does Zero Punctuation.
(Too subtle?)
soulslike genre:
hard difficulty
asymetrical multiplayer
enviormental storytelling via item description, a bonfire system for upgrades and salvation,
and
a souls system:
currency and expirence are same, dropped when die, disappear if die again.
I've been using strategic hack n slash.
I like that a lot.
Furthermore, fucked-up hitboxes, Metroidvania-inspired exploration mechanics, and a remarkably bleak atmosphere.
I don't like that definition (or name, whatever). That's basically just a description of Dark Souls. Some of those features don't even make sense: what on Earth is "hard difficulty"? That describes everything from XCOM to Super Meat Boy to a cryptic crossword. What you mean is high enemy damage, long windups, animation priority and limited health resources.
The only core aspects I would consider genre defining are 3rd person hack 'n' slash with swing arcs (to rule out spectacle fighters and the like), environmental storytelling, persistence after death and boss fights.
P.S. I like "strategic hack 'n' slash"
Would soulsborne be a better name for the genre?
This is, by far, the best video in the Zero Punctuation-series in a LOOOOOONg time! So fun to see that it's back! :D
I'd highly recommend nioh, it's great fun and very good value for money. First playthrough took me 78 hours to plat the game. And there's ng+ and ++ to do too which are stupidly hard. One of the best games this year for sure.
"Nioh" sounds like the noise you make when riding down a street in San Francisco in a shopping cart.
Aren't we calling that genre "Soulsborne"?
Noisemaker50 SoulsBorne refers to Dark Souls, Demon's Souls and Bloodborne. They are all owned by the same company, and thusly refers to their games.
Noisemaker50 No, it's the franchise.
I just thought that was a portmanteau, like how we used to call that structure "Metroidvania" when it was in 2d.
The most common word I heard thrown around is "Souls-Like".
Souls-like makes sense. It's akin to the Roguelike subgenre.
Neetrogen?
Good
_Potassium,_
Still better than pussium, that shit just deflates the whole balloon.
FireB4llz it's obvious I know he's talking about nitrogen I found funny so I brought attention to it :)
My first thought was that neon isn't actually a significant part of Earth's atmosphere. God damn Australians and their butchering of Earth's best language.
So, if my Yahtzeean is up to scratch, he liked it, but he found it flawed and didn't find it to be as enjoyable as From's games.
Seems about right.
I think that's a pretty accurate translation
If my Yahtzeean is on par, I think he liked it, but wished it was less linear and more explorative and he liked the variety of playstyles but could use less weapon drops.
I like how we're having a discussion about the language of Yahtzee.
Care to give me a crash course on yahtzeean? 😁
"That's why I put pot plants in my grandma's bedroom!"
Fucking gold.
This game is basically Ninja Gaijin.
56clockwork good work
56clockwork it's aesthetically gaiden, mechanically souls like.
This pun will fly over the head of most people. Explanation: "gaijin" means "foreigner" in Japanese, and Nioh's developers also made the Ninja Gaiden series. William is a gaijin and accidentally becomes some kind of ninja/samurai, so yeah it's Ninja Gaijin all right 😀
Lolol.
That was an amazing pun.
Well done 👏 👏
"Souls-like" is in my opinion the best name for the genre.
The way you said "shit" at around 4:29 cracked me up.
I'm a huge souls fan and I have been having an absolute blast with the game, it's a little faster paced and the swordplay is fantastic. I've already played for at least 50 hours and I'm still excited to play it when I get the free time to.
I am enjoying it quite a lot, awesome gameplay and 60fps... oh my... amazing
"tight tonight" fell off my chair laughing at that one
just subscribed to you and have watched a few of these and LMFAO is all I need to say. very funny. love it.
I've heard the term "souls-borne" used when referring to this sort of game
Isn't it Souls-like?
and then i actually saw someone refer to zelda (which i'm pretty sure came before dark souls) as "souls-lite"
I'd say Darksiders is much more like Zelda. Dark Souls is more 3D Castlevania.
It is Souls-Like.
Uh....Souls-vania?
"Souls-ian" is what I've heard most.
One of your funniest in a while ! The titanite comment was hilarious. In fact the whole thing was
the description of the frozen village was on point!
"Wasn't he one of the Wombles?" XD
I've been slowly going through the game over the last 2 months, and at this point just going through it now because I've seen the trophy percentages and I'm determined to be one of the 12% who actually finishes it.
Done yet?
done yet?
Damn I wish you did more reviews I really really love your take an humor on MOST things.
I've watched this video so many times and never have I noticed that tight tonight joke. I just burst out laughing in a dead silent office when I heard it. Brilliant.
"And the level design's kinda shi-*sound between a belch and someone pouring gravel down his windpipe*-it."
The key moment of this review that made me giggle uncontrollably.
"because he's Irish so he's constantly drunk"
😁
4:31 voice crack on the word : "Shiieet"
"These are sarcastic thoughts" had me pissin myself
I like 'Souls-Like' as a descriptor;
"tight tonight"
omg a new book, Jam and Mogworld are my two favourite comedy books of all time can't wait to get stuck into this one.
One of the best reviews to date!
"Souls-like"
Kono NIOH DA!
OH NIOOOOH
Duncan Fenwick
DIOS MIO!
*IT'S NIOH!*
Duncan Fenwick HINJAKU HINJAKU
RYUGA WAGA TEKI WO KURAU!!
Kyaaa! Itai! Yamete onii-chan!
This is one of his best reviews , hands down creative.
Dude that grandma joke literally was the funniest thing ever
I actually quite liked the level design in Nioh. I mean, it was nowhere near as good as Dark Souls, but there was still a lot of variety (bathhouses, ninja strongholds, castles, etc.) which all offered something unique and quite a few interesting sights.
people criticize it far too harshly considering the complete freedom Fromsoft has had making fictional worlds. i think they did great considering those limitations and the flooded temple is absolutely one of my favorite levels in gaming now.
TheBAGman17 flooded temple? you mean itsukushima? it isn't flooded, it is a real place that is built on top of water, actually most of the places are based on history when the castles, but lets not compared real fantasy and high fantasy.
Yahtzee's whole thing is complaining. If he didn't complain it wouldn't be funny. Which is why you can't really listen to his videos as reviews per-se, unless you're horribly cynical and hate all games.
Dark Souls has some of the best level and aesthetic design ever performed. Of course it's not as good. Very little of Nioh is completely garbage, if any of it. But it's not "some of the best level and aesthetic design ever" so yeah. Not up to the standard set by Dark Souls.
I'd say it was better. Dark Souls has some good aesthetics and some areas are great but the rest are meh. Anor Londo is just a straight forward path. Blight Town is terrible. Lost Izalith is cancer. Duke's Archives are straight forward corridors. Then we have Dark Souls 2 + 3 with linear path ways and warping being required to navigate the world because most of the exploration is point A to B (especially in 3).
@@thvvgu2054 I second that. Having finally played Nioh (and all of the dlc) I was extremely impressed not only by the variety within each level's design, but also by the myriad of ways you could approach them based on your playstyle and build.
In contrast, I've gone through all 5 of the souls games over half a dozen times each with different builds each time, yet still wound up going through almost every level exactly the same way irrespective of my stats due to the aforementioned linearity. Granted some levels in the souls games allow for flexible approaches (Huntsman's Copse, most of Demon's Souls' levels, etc.) and some levels in Nioh are more linear than others (Azuchi Castle & Haiji), but on balance, Nioh's level design is tighter and more varied than any Souls game so far.
*sidenote: I'm shocked Yahtzee didn't make an explicit Diablo joke anywhere, given that's the third game Nioh draws its influence from (hence the constant loot, maze-like levels, etc.).
I love the game, but I love this review even more!
*"Will Save the Universe For Food"* is a spectacular book title.
tight-tonite. thanks for the excellent chuckle.
For those of you not versed in Croshawspeak:
It's alright.
That porn hub joke will never die.
Hey Yahtzee, I just finished the book, and it's really good.
that titanite joke had me in keks, Well done sir
A new book by Yahtzee is out? *purchases*
I binged the audiobook in one day and now my thoughts are all in his sarcastic monotone. Send help.
Why do I get the feeling that there is at least one weeb in the world that didn't like dark souls because it didn't seem anime-ish enough or the setting didn't seem all that inspired by Japanese setting. I get that you were joking in all, but I just have this suspicion.
I don't know. Dark Souls is pretty anime, just not *recent* anime. I mean the original Dark Souls could have been "Berserk the video game" and no one would would have been any the wiser. Granted it would have taken a few modifications.
JameboHayabusa dark souls was deliberately referencing Berserk. The director said as much. You can make your character Guts!
The setting of berserk is more western than your typical anime though.
"Souls like" was the expression you were looking for.
The Amrita Kodama's bonus ended up being the only buff I needed from them. After you thrift through the gear you received last mission, just give the shite to them as an offering. Always ended up with a generous handful of elixers (15-30) and unless you sucked, that's really all you'd need to succeed
I liked Nioh, but the biggest turnoff for me was the lack of variety. People gave bloodborne a lot of grief for its weapon variety, but Nioh only has 5 different weapons. You also have already seen every single enemy type in the game (other than bosses obviously) before you're even halfway through the game. Then you're just fighting the same dudes over and over, and while I don't agree with Yahtzee when he says it was terrible, the level design does leave something to be desired
I got terrified encountering Yogi/One-Eyed Yogi for the first time. Now not so much because I've killed them repeatedly. Maybe the sequel will have more enemy varieties. Still love Nioh.
I definitely still liked it, but I was expecting more from it. For example, one thing I was REALLY hoping for was an actual unarmed combat system, with stances and skills and stuff. What we got was a teeny tiny bit better than dark souls, which isn't saying much
Was expecting For Honor...
***** Shit, thanks. I've been watching these for years and I can barely believe I never thought of that.
John Miley 6 pm? Where are you from exactly because in my country, it uploads about 11 am.
6PM GMT is the same time everywhere around the world.... that's the reason he specified the time zone.
Clairvoyant81 oh I didn't know that supposed to mean. Third world education
TyphoonZebra On the site.
Yahtzee's new ZP is on the Escapist website featuring For Honor. Every new video is released every Wednesday. So go there for "For Honor" or wait till next Wednesday to see it on TH-cam.
4:09 ah, Master Toad gave you trouble I see.
3:00
Another reference to porn AND dolphins....I wonder if Yahtzee is trying to tell us what his fantasies are D=
It's more like Ninja Gaiden than Dark Souls.
Nathan Cassidy you're confusing aesthetics with mechanics. the combat was way closer to a souls game. but it looked like a gaiden game. I liked all three.
Not really. I wished it was more like NG
A masterpiece Zero Punctuation once again !
WOOO! NEW BOOK!!!
"Souls like"
Another fun review, I love the dark souls comparison. Nioh sounds like an interesting game. I will definitely see it.
I can't wait to read your book! I loved your e-comic where you plot to take over the world.
When you talked about wombles I thought of Soviet Womble
My complain, personally, with Noihs level design is that it felt, for the most part, very flat. Like, not literally flat (Not that it doesnt approach that at times) but rather that 99% of the playspace can just be strolled onto from somewhere. Not a whole lot of dropping down onto things from above and such. Not a whole lot of loopy terrain that dumps you a shortcut back into an area youd forgotten about that makes things far more interesting (even if there was, it closes when you start the level again, so its not much use either way).
Put simply, the level design is there to benefit the combat, not the exploration, and this is double noticeable when you find a corpse up on a rock somewhere that you have to take a long path to get to only to find a basic loot drop from it.
I can enjoy the game for its Nioh, sure, but i long for the Dark Souls aspects too. The aspect that has us walk through a cathedral, then through the cathedral upper levels, then come back later to find were now going through the cathedrals rafters.
nioh is amazing, not quite DS1 level, but close
also as som1 who has played all the soulsborne series and nioh i still say 1 is my favorite
in terms of combat 2 is the best (though i think niohs combat is better) but the world and story of 1 is so much better then all the rest it just shoots ahead. i dont really get what you mean when you say the zones get worst after anor londo, as imo the best zones are the painted world (which is after anor londo) and the dlc zones, which are also after.
the only zone after anor londo which i would actualy say is genuinly worse then the other areas is lost izalith, and that you can see is clearly just cos they ran out of time.
TL:DR
1 definetly had weaker combat then 2 and nioh, but the story and world design is the best of all the games, and that pushes it above imo
nioh having the ebst combat of the games makes it a runner for 2nd.
and unpopular opinion of the day, DS3 is by a massive margin the worst. it threw out everything that made the souls series good, its far too fast paced, there is no poise so your restricted in builds, the world design is mediocre at best and nostalgia bait at worst, the story is flat out just nostalgia bait and threw away all the progress in story 2 made despite 2s story being great. weapon arts added nothing, even ignoring the fact combat was more bloodborne then souls it was still worse then both BB and DS2. only thing it did well was boss design, and even then it fell flat in practice because of the combat turning every boss into a boring zerg rush
BB was good, but im more a fan of the slower game so its a little behind 1 and 2 for me
i didnt really enjoy anything from 3 all that much
leagues worse then the others for me
and i quite like the tomb of giants, dont think its that bad an area
but izalith is definetly bad
The Guy As someone who played DS1 last in the series, I can confirm that is indeed NOT blind nostalgia. That game is just incredible.
BEast Sauce, But it hardly compares to Nioh or the rest of the Souls series. Nioh beats them all in combat with the exception perhaps being Bloodborne. Dark Souls 1 still plays good but after the newer games, its flaws become apparent with the four directional rolling, delayed inputs and the easy to pull off backstabs, not to mention it lacks the complexity of the combat in the later games with a heavy weapon's heavy attack pretty much being able to stun everything (even giant Orienstein).
"That's why I put pot plants in my grandma's bedroom." Fucking lol.
3:19 The bigwheel gang is where it's at, thank you.
"Nioh is to Dark Souls as the Order of Ecclesia is to Symphony of the Night"
I don't think anything better could have been said to make me entirely uninterested in Nioh.
That wheel demon does suck.
"Clutching my toddler with renewed vigor!"
5:00 best zp quote
This game is a Souls, Ninja Gaiden, Onimusha, Diablo, Bushido-Blade, Bloodborne-like. If your going compare it to DarkSouls at least compare it to the other games it draws from as well.
STRome he directly compared it to bloodborne and ninja gaiden in this video. there's a chance he's not as familiar with the others for him to make a comparison, but don't act like he only compared it to dark souls.
STRome But it's clearly most similar to Dark Souls.
Lol 👌
STRome Nah its mostly like dark souls
STRome you're*
The hitboxes in Nioh are in no way fucked. I'm curious how you came to the conclusion that they are.
Eh. They're pretty good, but I've definitely hit enemies behind me more than a few times, and been hit with phantom range spears a few. Also, the "aura" on some attacks, like Hino-Enma's spin attack, gets really annoying after a while.
Gunk And thats who I'm still stuck on, that 🌂 wielding bat lady
I don't think you're alone, dude. Anyway, stay at a medium distance from her, listen for the sound queue for her paralyzing scream, dodge as late as possible when she charges you, always have antiparalytic needles on your hotbar in case you mess up, hit her two or three times after her kick combo or umbrella combo, if she stays in the air for too long you can run under her to make her try to drop down on you, you CAN also shoot her down with shuriken or kunai if you can throw enough to drain all of her stamina. Oh, and stay in low or medium stance, preferably low.
twin swords with the rush attack . you can hit her and run past most of the time . then at 1/4 life living weapon .
What is with hitboxes in games, anyways? Just map the boxes to the textures, problem fucking solved.
I imagine he'll be coming back to this for Sekiro.
I think this is the high-water mark for Zero Punctuation. The best ever. Snarky, witty, insightful and irreverent perfectly executed.
You nailed this one PERFECTLY, i laught my ass off to this one. Hats of my god sir, you made my day. This is liquid gold, a real masterpiece (the video, not the game). Keep up the good work!
2:04 The first letter of every word spells "very fat".
The one level where the house is normal but then the second half the level is the same house but upside down was pretty cool
Just came across your channel my friend, and all I can say is New Sub..👍🏾😉
Having jumped onto this game 4 years after the fact, I can confirm that most of Yahtzee's complaints are entirely correct even less than 2 hours into the game. I HATE the way equipment drops every 5 seconds so I need to find a safe corner to stop and compare it with my current gear so I can struggle to work out whether or not it's better (not always an obvious proposition when you don't know what all the stats actually DO or how much difference a few points either way will make) and the combat system is massively overcomplicated, with far too many abilities to unlock, some of which you don't even know if you'll use or not, especially when you have to unlock them separately for every individual weapon. And having to remember to use Ki Pulse after every single attack combo is just a chore more than anything else.
And then you remember Nioh was in developement before even Demon souls was a thing and everyone using the term "Dark Souls clone" has somne serious egg on their face.
Quixe Bee True but to think a game that started development in 2004 and went through multiple revisions that was only released this year didn't draw inspiration from popular games released during those 13 years of development would just be wrong.
"What about Omyo:wasn't he one of the Wombles?" PMSL
Has anyone ever tried to watch one of these with out sound? It's especially fun when your blazed as fuck.
Meh I fine Japanese theme worlds to be kind of boring and overuse honestly. Maybe its because the Japanese culture has never appeal to me all that much but I just feel like we don't use enough cultures in the world. Hell we don't use Christianity all that much because we are afraid we might offend someone, come on I want to see Jesus use his continental slicing sword in a game.
"we don't use enough cultures in the world" It's a Japanese game
The genre is "action RPG". Lets not get all abstract with subgenres just because Dark Souls is edgy. It's irritating enough tolerating all those meaningless music subgenres...
But the rpg mechanics are pretty simple in the souls game though. I think think it's fair to classify them differently then, say, fallout, because the level design, character progression, and healing are all handled in pretty unique ways.
SiCKenz people will know what you meanean when you say souls like. action RPG could be anything. there's nothing wrong with describing things using comparisons. stop being pretentious. souls isn't edgy. it's just much loved, and highly regarded. people who shit on it are the ones trying to be edgy.
Genres are for categorizing things with similar styles together. "Souls-like" doesn't describe anything at all. People tried to call Dragons Dogma a "souls-like". Its not. Its an RPG, with action driven gameplay. Just like Souls. This is opposed to something like Baldurs Gate which would just be a RPG, or Mass Effect (or Fallout), which would be an FPS RPG.
Also, dark fantasy filled with themes of loss, regret, sadness etc... Yeah. Souls is edgy as fuck. All it needs to go with it is a Linkin Park album and a Hot Topic gift card. And I'll go ahead and say it... DS1 is overrated, DS2 is trash, DS3 is the best Dark Souls. Bloodborne is the best aRPG Fromsoft has made. And it is edgy as fuck as well.
SiCKenz Thing is Dragons Dogma isn't a souls like. but the subgenre exists. Soulslikes are a checkpoint based action rpg with death punishment mechacs. That's all.
Mass effect isn't an FPS though. Souls-like describes a specific kind of action RPG. If you play a game like Nioh and compare it to Dark Souls you can see why lumping them all into their own sub-sub genre might be useful.
What an edgy as fuck opinion.
that titanite joke fucken killed me.
Lots of people have adopted Vaatividya's "Souls-like" to refer to, well, Dark Souls-like games.
yesss a new book!
spot on and hilarious
Walks into house from college, pours drink and then sees a new video. Winning.
"That's why I put pot plants in my grandma's bedroom" I'm fucking dead