M8 Greyhound vs King Tiger 1944
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- During the Battle of St. Vith, Belgium, on 18 December 1944, one of the most extraordinary tank actions of the war took place between a little American M8 armoured car and an enormous German King Tiger tank. Find out the full thrilling story here.
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Sources: 'During the Battle of St. With did an M8 Greyhound destroy a Tiger II?' - reddit.com; tanks-encyclopaedia.com.
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The title sounds like an unbalanced War Thunder match
Except it should be "King Tiger vs M1 Abrams"
Company of Heroes in a nutshell
Maus vs M22
*WHO WILL WIN LIKE THE VID AND STALIN WILL TELL YOU...*
War Thunder is Awesome! 😁😊😉😀🤗
I've tried to do this in an M8
It didn't work
*CREW KNOCKED OUT*
*HULL BREAK*
*You have been killed by xXx_MuRiCa_xXx (M8 Greyhound)*
german player then proceeds to get in a bomber and revenge kill the m8 while reeing and listening to erika in his room with iron crosses all over the walls
@@blueberry1c2 How do you know that thats exatly what i do every time
@@blueberry1c2 but then he gets spammed by 500 P-47Ns, P-51Hs, and Spitfire F Mk 24s
German player misses, forgets to set fuzes, kills self
How stupid to be to belive these propaganda
The little M8 that could.
Lol
I'm Australian so I naturally read m8 "Mate" lol
A R I think I can, I think I can, I think I can
*I KNEW I COULD*
The M8 gave itself away by the clanging of the crew's balls...
Tiger tank commander...hey, shut up....you hear that? It's like a clanging noise......?
Oh Christ that was funny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Commander: Fire her up, we`re going after it.
Driver: Hahaha no, seriously.....
Why do I have the feeling they were drunk as hell and went truth or dare. Lol
Quote from the game *Company of Heroes* when you order a Rifleman squad to target a medium/heavy tank
"Sir, with all due respect, are you high?"
"GODDAMNIT JERRY IF WE ARENT EATING KRAUT ASS WITH THAT 37 IN THE NEXT FIVE FUCKING SECONDS"
"The Tiger has only one weak spot, it's ass. You gotta hit it point blank and you gotta hit it from behind ". Oddball, 1944. Fantastic telling of a fantastic story Mark. Thanks.
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@Tranhoang Long True. They are expecting to have support behind them.
John White its side armor is garbage too
"Do you want to hear my Dog impersonation?.."
@Tranhoang Long Dunno how I'm suppose to shoot an Abrams into it's roof with a T-34 made in 1944
Hey, not stupid if it works. - American War Doctrine.
So embarassing... that your 70 ton tank gets destroyed by a go kart with nerf gun
So much for the "king" tiger
More like king kitty
Never heard of "Achilles Heel"?
Hallo Leute, ich bin Deutsch. Englisch:
Hello people i am German , I want to let tell a fact about our tank , "king" tiger was wrongly translated , in German we say Der Panzerkampfwagen VI Ausf. B or informal
" Königstiger , " (Bengal tiger)
@@michaelhawkins1528 i see..thanks for the info! ;)
The Chad m8 vs the Virgin king tiger
Well it wasn't a virgin after that fight for sure.
@@IronRAVENxvx stole what I was gonna say 😂
@@IronRAVENxvx it was raped
The M8 was originally conceived as a Tank Destroyer, but was then used as a Recce vehicle, this one went back to its original vocation ...
Yep. The army realized the 37 mm wasn't powerful enough for a tank destroyer. The M8's turret was too small to fit any larger caliber. So it went off to war as an armored car. But a high-velocity 37 mm round in just the right place could still do some damage.
How did the crew fit their massive balls in such a small vehicle?
I hope those guys in the M8 got some kind of commendation.
.....and new underwear
Whose who dare......
Good chance they did,
The U.S.Army is a little better in recognition than the U.S.Marine's.
But they lived....
And this story will live for a very long time...
And that,
As a Combat Vet is the Best recognition.
The award for the biggest brass balls ever....
"Just doin' our job!"
@@lmyrski8385 Probably. M51 APC wouldn't have been able to penetrate even a Tiger II's rear plate. OTOH- A Panzer iV with its faster traverse rate and better mobility would have been a much more dangerous threat to the little M8.
King Tiger: I'mma just trundle along this Forest road
M8 armoured car: I'm about to end this tank's career
That's the price of moving an expensive piece of armor through enemy terrain without reconnaissance or infantry support. The Waffen SS must have felt really arrogant that day.
Who would win
A heavy tank which has very thick armour | *one brave boi*
I'd heard of this encounter before, but somehow had missed the detail that it was a *KING* Tiger. Brave bois indeed.
Hahaha
thicc armour*
[_DreamPanzerFahrer_]
Who would win.
Thousands of soviet troops?
Or some Finnish farmer with a sniper?
OWO?
A heavy tank that broke down if you farted at wrong versus one brave boi in a lightly armored vehicle?
Not much of a contest. You can't use that big gun to hit things if that boi is busy pecking away at the rear of your tonk.
The little M8: “I think I can, I think I can, I think I can.”
for the people wondering why the king tiger didn't use its neutral traverse to speeden up the time it takes to turn the gun around: the panthers and king tigers at the end of the war had a high chance of breaking down when using the neutral traverse
they where told to do it in emergency's only which they clearly didnt here
Just turn a little to double down on your angles
@@jammygamer8961 But had they risked it and immobilized the tank, then they would have been surrounded by enemy infantry. The thought must have been to retain mobility at any cost. In that situation, their really is no winning for the Tiger
Thanks! I was wondering why they didn't do that.
The M8 was later renamed,
*"BALLS"*
"Flaming Brass Balls"
" NUTZ"
OF STEEL"
My Dad crewed an M8 in France and Germany. BTW, he NEVER called it Greyhound...it was always just M8, to him. I first read this story years ago...when I told my Dad, it was the first time he had heard about it...he said “somebody must have eaten their Wheaties that day” . The version I read had the tank, described as a Tiger, driving on a sunken road, with the M8 high up on the berm shooting downward at the engine cover. Sounds more likely to me, I’d be surprised to see the 37mm penetrate the downward angled rear armor on the King Tiger.
Dad had no illusions about the capabilities of the 37mm gun, but he did have good things to say about its use on bunkers and buildings. He also liked the canister load for machine gun positions in the hedgerow country at Falaise Gap.
Really, the M8 offered a lot of firepower with its 37mm, it’s 50cal and 30cal machine guns.
The brits were the ones putting names of American tanks, armored cars and tank destroyers. Some of then were only adopted by the Americans after the war.
Engine Shot, what I suspected.
Any M8s left in the inventory ? Sounds perfect for urban warfare.
That close, any High Velocity round can do damage. It might not penetrate, but could cause a spall to break off and maybe bounce around the engine compartment causing a fire. I have never heard of this engagement either in 60 years of WW2 obsession, need more research.
Even, like that is took a lot of balls. your version does sound more plausible. Allot less armor from the top.
I would love to find out if that m8 is still in existence, and if the crew survived the war and is someone ever interviewed them for their action.
I think the last thoughts of the german crew was: "OMG F***ING NOOB CAMPER"
"Bullshit cowards attack me from the front!"- tiger commander
Lol after wrecking one of the most feared German tanks in WW2 with a golf cart equipped with a BB gun, the commander just continues patrolling like nothing happened
"A Tiger has only one weak point: That's it's ASS! You've got to hit it point blank, and you've got to hit it from behind!" Oddball knew what was up.
M4 crew “it’s a Tiger, we're outta here.” M8 crew “hold my frozen canteen cup....”
U.S soldier: There's no way any of us can kill that king tiger.
M8 Gray Hound: HOLD MY BEER!
@bruceownsu ahh, sounds like a typical cuck comment, are you French by any chance? Speaking of cowardly. As for the rest of your comment, show some facts to back up your cuck comment and then we'll discuss, but until then, go back to studying war history, obviously, you're lacking a shit-ton of knowledge
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ah well, quantity over quality it seems
@Dack Hacksaw that my friend will never happen because of the factual fallacy on so many levels. Rather then simulation it would be at the level of COD or BF.
Stop saying "my guy"
LEEROY JENKINS...........
From what I've read there's probably been some embellishment in the story. The rear of the Tiger II tank is protected by 80mm of armour at 60 degrees; the 37mm at best with the M51 Shot would only do 61mm straight on at 500 yards. There's very little chance a M8 could penetrate a Tiger II's rear, unless there was something seriously wrong with the steel in the Tiger II.
Furthermore, there's disagreement that there was even a Tiger II in the area on that day; per German records, no Germans divisions within the area were officially equipped with King Tiger's; the original battle report from what I've read indicated that they've only killed a Tiger, and didn't mentioned which type. In fact, the nearest Tiger II were the ones assigned to SS.Pz.-Abt. 501, which was operating with Kampfgruppe Peiper, of the 1st SS-Pz.Div. LSSAH, which was in 6. Panzer-Armee. Their route was far to the north of St. Vith, way out of the way. While it is possible one Tiger II may have gotten separated from the rest of the unit, I don't think it's likely.
The only other German division that had Tiger II's in the general vicinity was the s.Pz.-Abt. 506, but that division was down near Bastonge and was no where near St. Vith.
However, since battle claims are usually extremely dubious (enemy tanks were frequently mis-identified, and the same battle report also indicated a Ferdinand or an Elephant was also killed, even though none were even in the theater), it could have easily been something less impressive, such as a Panzer III or a Panzer IV. At best, it could have been a Panther, since that looks somewhat similar to a Tiger II, and the rear armour is thin enough that a 37mm could put a shot through. Hell there's even been after-action reports in which American troops have claimed that a bloody StuG was a Tiger...
Edit: Furthermore, it was pointed out to me that every single Tiger II lost by the SS.Pz.-Abt. 501 (the closest unit with Tiger II's) was photographed heavily and documented fairly extensively. Pretty much all of the post-battle photos of St. Vith showed Panzer IV's and StuG's.
Well, when I saw "M8 Greyhound vs King Tiger" I couldn't click fast enough.
Except it wasn't a King Tiger, it was a Tiger I. The Battle report only references a Tiger, the 501st SS panzer division was the only deployment of Tigers during the Arden offensive, and they only had Tiger I tanks. Also Tiger II has 80mm sloped rear armor, a M3 gun could never pen that, even at point blank, Tiger I has 25mm rear armor, doesn't take much to realize which tank it actually was.
apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a952910.pdf#page=23
@@benlzicar7628 there were 3 direct hits at 22m.
@@benlzicar7628 Actually even if it were a Tiger II the ballistic chart for an M6 cannon using APCBC-T APC M51 Shot is rated at 61mm of hardened armor penetration at 500 yards. Given the three shots were literally fired from point blank range and put all three rounds into a small area. It is possible to over match the 80mm rear armor. Or more plausable they fired through one of the two large exhaust stack resonator covers which are much thinner than the main armored panel and are of a simple casting. I never understood why they would cut large holes in the armor for an exhaust resonator instead of just routing it up and over the top of the armor?
but mein kruppstahl
aber mein ...
Normal soldiers "Let the King tiger pass, you'd be stupid to engage it."
M8 Soldiers "Damn, that looks like a nice ass."
I found this so hard to believe, I had to see it from a number of sources. There are quite a few. The courage these guys must have had is the stuff legends are made of. Total respect. Cheeky bastards too.
Was a tiger I, not a king, but still impressive
@@Aldebarean According to who?
@OOM-9 doubtful. Your source is your ass, numerous sources put this as a tiger II. The rears of even tiger IIs was quite weak
@@Aldebarean Most probably a Panzer MK IV as neither Tiger Ausf E or Ausf B were operating in that area.
*Who would win?*
A feared heavy tank with
among the best gun and armor
during all of the war
One 37mm boi
37mm is just a jolt reskin
@@arandomyoutuber6634 but buffed
Tiny but mighty XD I can only be one of those infrantry soldiers and be like
“ what the hell are those idiots doing”
imagine what'S going through that crews heads when the turret was turning and they had to pump out these shots in super quick succsesion: "fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck,"
"Would somebody come take a look at this" lol
captain "hit the gas"
gunner "hit the reverse"
loader "what the fuck is going on"
driver "... captains off his rocker"
infantry "well never mind we didn't need the greyhound"
boom
everyone " da fuq"
HAAAAAX
I can just hear the M8 tank commander yelling “MERICA! HECK YEAH!”
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George S. Patton
I hope they put some "Tiger Slayer" art work on that M8.
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Wonder why the Tiger didn’t just turn around? The M8 Boss! OK boys, its Miller time! Dad told me a story about a man on a Grizzly Bear hunt that found some tracks and went trailing one. When later he came to camp and they asked him, where’s the Bear? He replied, I decided to let him go, the Tracks started getting a little too fresh! Thanks Mark! Great as usual!🤔
so the navy has Destroyer Escorts that fight like Battleships yet the army has pickups the fight like heavy tanks
The History Guy put up a video a couple of weeks ago on this action. In terms of facts quite similar. A story like this needs to be told often so it is not forgotten. Thank you History Guy, thank you Mark Felton.
A pleasure
My grandfather was 83rd armored recon...not a unit you want go be in if you wanted to survive the war.One of there vehicles was the M8 greyhound.Thanks for the upload
My father was in the 91st with the 1st Armored Div. Joined them at Salerno and went to the top of the boot. Was wounded at Casino and one of his 3 out of 5 brothers that served in WWII, found him on the beach at Anzio. The brother was in a 4.2" mortar unit with the Rangers. Small war, wasn't it?
Super Pershing fails to kill a tiger, m8: hold my spare tire
Can you imagine the Tiger crew trying to explain what killed their tank to other German POW's. Well, this armored car came up behind us...
I'm surprised the crew in the tiger didn't hear the sound of those massive clanking balls coming down the road.
2:50 I’m sure that engine sounded like a guy yelling, “LEEEROOOOY JENKINS!!!”
"It's not the size that matters, it's how you use it that counts."
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A great many thanks
The guy commanding that M8 had epic balls.
Never heard of this engagement, thanks. Though I wouldn't think a 37mm would penetrate any part of a King Tiger.
Me neither, let alone have enough energy left to penetrate past the engine and into the fighting compartment! truly an unbelievable moment, the crew of that M8 must've needed a change of trousers.
Yeah considering the rear plate is sloped too 30° and is still 80mm without taking into account effective thickness from the slope. I don't know the pen value of the greyhounds gun ....but I'd say 50mm of my head.... This may very well be one of them propaganda stories.... need a source
Nearly all of Germany's heavy tanks were destroyed in the war, and nearly none of the allies' guns were capable of destroying them. On paper.
After reading reports on the gun ...... There is no way this happened. . If the gun couldn't pen a possible stug at 75 yards no way it kill that tiger. Here is a report of a stug attack
"Later in the day, the Germans attempted to retake the hill with one heavy assault gun (est 105mm) and a few infantry men and succeeded in penetrating our position. From 100 yards he knocked out two light tanks. However, the advance of "A" company's tanks concentrated so much fire on him and held their ground so effectively that he lost his nerve and retired from the fight, with his supporting troops, if he had any left. The 37mm gun on the Light Tanks did no appreciable damage to the German self-propelled weapon, although over 100 direct hits were placed on him from ranges varying from 75 to 500 yards." [21]
You wouldn't survive a rank battle. Situational awareness is gold, even if there's armor, if the distance 25 yards as stated and the armor is 30°, if that close with your turret facing down, you're basically aiming at a wall. The back is armor, but not just armor, it has mufflers, and hosing, etc... if the explosion happened in the outside, the shockwave, and some shrapnel and some of the explosion would've pushed it self into the engine compartment, and damaged the engine. Which would either casatrophicaly fail or just die on them. If you're bias, you'll find bias. It's plausible.
Even reading the Title, in my best python .
"Run Awayyyyy"
Came to mind.
LOL
that scene of the holy grail was funny af
U.S army: M8, nothing can stop that king tiger
M8: Hold my beer
The American Army. Making the Impossible Possible since 1776. lol
Who would win?
The most armored heavy tank of WW2
Or
An absolute mad lad
imagine the smug ass look that crew had when they rolled back to their starting position.
Next up:
*M2 Light vs. Maus*
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I think the guys in the M8 were fighting for their lives. "If we don’t knock out that Tiger, it’s going to kill us".
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The M8 greyhound armored car was Dad's favorite vehicle in ww2. Soldiers actually would have races against each other in those things to entertain themselves and kill time. Sometimes the races could result in deadly wrecks. Most of the duties were usually fairly mundane. They were not heavy fighters, and usually employed against light opposition.
I am a WWII history buff, but I had never heard or read this account before. Thanks for sharing this incredible story of daring audacity in the face of overwhelming odds! These were typical U.S. Cavalry Troopers; I have met a few during my career and they are crazy.
Truly gutsy and amazing that the king Tiger got knocked out so easily.... bigger is not always better.
Amazing how many stories are out there of lone tank actions. Ordinarily a tank never operates by itself, but always as part of a tank platoon/troop. There should have been at least two other tigers supporting the first one, using fire and movement tactics (2 tanks assume a hull down position while the other 2 [sometimes just 1] moves forward to the next position from which to support the others in turn). And where there’s a tank platoon, there’s always a tank company/squadron, itself part of a battalion and regiment. This tank sounds like it was lost trying to catch up to its unit, rather than acting as the spearhead of an attack.
Just what I was thinking
Part of a heavy tank battalion was there only because of traffic jam at the main axis of advance of the army-group it actually belonged to and the force tried to find an alternative route. Which can explains a lonely heavy tank as it's just scouting ahead as the heavy tank battalion in this stage of the war apparently only consisted of heavy tanks. As the unit's around it are from another sector coordination would be bad. Also the wooded and hilled terrain made your proposed fire and movement tactics hard to pull off and it would slow the unit further down while it's already behind schedule. War is chaos were textbook procedures and plans are quickly thrown out of the window as they do not match the reality.
@@barthoving2053 Actually no. At the late stages of the war a heavy tank Bn. or Co. would have had a variety of models. Lots of Pz. IVs etc. in adhoc kampfgruppen. And using a (at this stage priceless) heavy tank as a scout wandering around by itself is a good way to lose your heavy tank. Even in the chaos of war stupid is still stupid. It was probably just lost.
the M8 was a recon. scout car. they didn't have a brass band with them.
The crew commander had massive balls of solid adamantium. I’m surprised they fit in the turret. ;-))
Did anyone notice the 3rd more soldier winking at the camera?
4:33
"...and the award for 'Big Steel Ones with Valor' goes to..."
It was not the noise of the engine but the sheer cacophony of brass balls knocking around in that M8 that alerted the king tiger commander. No way would I have been ok with my commander saying let's chase after a king tiger. That is some insane levels of courage.
"Not go after a King Tiger? Are you kidding me? Here. Hold my beer."
--M8 Armored Car Commander
Real question is how did the M8 crew operate so well with such massive balls ? Wouldn't they get in the way ?
At first the Greyhound was;
- “Come on, Go!”
Then as they opened fire at the Konig's Tiger;
- “Come one! Hit those bastards!”
After killing the enemy tank;
- “Yahoo, we've earned our stripes!”
All those quotes are from the Company of Heroes 2 for the M8 Greyhound, I just saw it befitting for them to be inserted in this instance.
Great job as usual, Mark. This story is one for the books; one I'd not heard of before either. Thanks!
so near the end of the war hitler was demanding bigger tanks, the allies where demanding crews with balls of steel
My hat is off to the brave m_8 crew. That took some balls to do what they did.
Three rounds before the turret could even traverse 180 degrees. That took some stones to engage the tiger and win.
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King Tiger: Oh boy I sure do love being a massive tank that I am not having to worry about American armor at all. Perhaps I will continue down this road to find another target to shoot at.
*M8 fires up engine*
King Tiger: Wait...what's that sound?
What a story!
Thanks Mark
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Lemme fix that for ya
Hahaha, what a story, Mark
King tiger : passes by
M8 Greyhound : Swaggity Swooty I'm coming for that booty.
You make these glimpses of real action so enthralling. They are fascinating to watch. Bravo on your research work.
This is one of the first I watched when I found Mark's channel last year. Good enough to see again.
This engagement is the meaning of Courage, Well done Lads, Well Done!!
That thing is adorable compared to the glorious tiger
The german commander must have wondered
"What sounds like two metal spheres banging together?" Before looking behind him
In this case, it doesn't matter whose bigger and stronger it matters whose smarter
Love the comments all of these people arguing over the possibility based on paper stats or gaming parameters.
Size doesn’t matter...it’s how you use it! 😂🤣
What would I do without you Mark thank you so much for your work
Great story and footage mark. Thank you again.
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The only question I have is, how the hell could that M8 move quickly enough when it had to carry those massive cast iron balls of the crew???
Those guys deserved the Medal of Honor. I don't know how the vehicle moved with the weight of the crew's balls.
Most outstanding bit of history presented in such of an informative manner. Thank you most appreciated.
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I was thinking about this engagement last night. Thanks for explaining what happened in more detail
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That was a true David and Goliath battle if I ever heard one. Amazing 🇺🇸
When I read the title I thought it was a joke. Amazing!!
Just goes to show you the mentality of the guys back then. They knew they had a slim chance, but just couldn’t let the tiger continue down the road for someone else to deal with it. I enjoy reading about the one on one battles. thank you for
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Its amazing the the m8 didn’t get weighed down by the commanders balls.
0:24 Yeet there goes the glove.
I have read about this before but this vid really tells the tale with gusto. Well done and thanks Mark
Thank you
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