Jay Leno said he used his Countach as a daily driver in the late 80’s/early 90’s. He also said he never really had any big problems with it. Good assessment video.
@Zack Smith oh I thought you ment because he was too tall or something but he is only about 6ft. It's not that hard to drive the clutch and steering is no harder than any car with no power steering if anything it is easier than bigger cars and he used it as a daily driver so that speaks for itself
@Zack Smith I'm sure he means hard relative to an average car not like you need super strength it's harder than average but I'm sure no defrent than any simular older car. I drove many cars like that back in the day they are a bit of pain when driving slow and parking buts it's no big deal, it would be now that I'm an old fart though haha
I try to drive mine every two weeks and yes it’s true, the more you drive them the better they get. And kind of funny that the ones that don’t get driven are rewarded with a higher price when they’re sold to the next person who just lets it sit in the garage again.
You are right. I have nearly 30 years experience with Ferrari. You need to use the car regularly. It’s made for driving,not for standing in the garage. But you need to put your eye on some simple things. Always start the car up and drive until the oil is at least 70 degrees Celsius warm. Then you can push the throttle as much as you can. The car will like it. When you want to stop the car, slow down and strive the last miles in a normal speed to cool down. Your car will say thanks.
Yup exactly! But that honestly goes for almost all cars. Granted modern cars with modern synthetic oils are more resilient to that sort of stuff, but it's still a simple step to save a lot of wear.
You get what you tolerate in life. Ferrari owners are willing to put up with a lot. If we'd stop buying the cars because of reliability issues, Ferrari would build more reliable cars.
I have been daily driving my McLaren P1 everyday. I go to work, shops and track days with it. Properly serviced and preventive maintenance is very important
When I bought my first Ducati (also Italian hand made) in 1978, my riding buddies told that I would never be able to go for rides because my bike would always be broken down. LOL What happened is that I never had any kind of failure on that bike. It turned out to be extremely reliable, and fast. It has started every time I hit the starter button, and has taken me home regardless of how far I was from home. And it's sitting in my garage right now, still looking like new...
I had a 2000 Celica that I had for about 5 years and was a daily driver and nothing really broke on it. Just kept up with regular maintenance and drove it every day. Still had the original clutch, didn't have to change the brake pads either because I'd often manage speed with engine braking. Was a good car but a bit boring as a slow fwd car. But it never let me down
Hi Dan, I totally agree with your analysis. I am in Hong Kong and I bought my 2013 one previous owner 458 spider in 2017 with 7,450 km on the odometer. I drive the car regularly and for long distances. It has now covered 25,000 km. The only problem I had on this car are oil seepage from the cam covers and the gaskets have been replaced in 2022. Thanks to your very informative video I advised my mechanic that this does not have to be an engine out operation and can be done with the engine in situ. Have to be very careful when refitting the high pressure fuel pumps. Of all the 458s I have seen in HK, all have this oil seepage problem from the cam cover gaskets. If you go back to the official dealer they will tell you that its an engine out job. The other minor problem is a broken steering linkage bellow this year. Can't really complaint about this happening after 10 years. Another problem is the carbon built up in the intake valves but this is caused by wall guided direct injection and blow back at idling speed. This is NOT a Ferrari problem but affects all direct injection engines. This has been fixed by my mechanic with walnut shell blasting. The other night there was a traffic accident and I was in the 458 and got stuck in the HK Cross Harbour Tunnel for an hour. Temperature gauge went up to just over 100 but not above. I have replaced the headers with iPE equal length with heatshield protection. The heat shield really helped with the temperature in the engine compartment. Once I got out of the tunnel the temperature come down swiftly. In June I was out of town for 3 weeks and when I got back the 458 started without any problem. I did not have to put a battery tender on it before trying to start the car. I can say from my own experience that if you drive your car regularly the 458 is a very reliable car.
I agree. I bought a 2008 Cayenne GTS last year with 36k on it. I’ve had to do a ton of maintenance on it just to get it up to working normally. coils, plugs, all fluids, end links, upper control arms. bushings were shot because it was only driven as a florida snow bird car since new.
how many getrag gearbox are broken out of say 100 of them (458 and calis) ? my cali is 12 yr old with 8k mileage. im afraid the gearbox failure will randomly shows up when i drive it hard.
Dan you forgot to mention those new Ferrari owners who use and use their cars and never do the maintenance only to leave the maintenance to subsequent owners who have to do catch-up because the vehicle was abused, maintenance wise, during its early life. Absolutely on point video keep going.
Exactly true. Even my first Ferrari, a 348 was very reliable and I drove it all over the wester US back in 1994, through 1998. My current Ferrari is just as reliable as all the others I’ve had. Great comments. Thank you D
My last Ferrari never had any major drivetrain issue. Almost all my issues were how subpar the interior was from gummy surfaces to broken window switches. Since then I have a Bentley Flying Spur as my daily driver and it’s been my favorite car ever, all the acceleration of a sports car and huge comfort of a huge luxury car, it’s been six years and no repairs other than wear and tear items. My Ferrari was a 360, so every point video is dead on about needing to let fluids heat up often to avoid issue to burn off water and impurities.
I have a 1941 Ford GPW Jeep. On the inside there is a original label on hat said to "start and drive the vehicle every 21 days" even back then it was known to use and move the vehicle. When I had my 64 1/2 Mustang I never drove it in the winter but every month I took it out for several miles to " move the fluids"
That's really fascinating about the Jeep. I would be it was even more so a problem on cars from that era as the lubricants weren't as good, and the gaskets were problem much lower grade than some of the impressive engineering they can accomplish now.
U missed the most important fact is that the more complex a car is engineered and built, the easier it is to break, in other words ppl call it "unreliable" but we know its not really the case, just compare how many parts used and the level of technology and craftmanship required for building a Farrari and a Honda civic, then u know the answer, also Toyota camery deliberately used less parts and low tech to enhance "reliabilty", so there is always a reason behind it, also Toyota is designed to last years for those low income ppl so they can afford it, but thats not the purpose for building a Farrari right? Jesus, some ppl just doesnt use their brain to think!
Good video, our 365 gt4 has never let us down since 1982, starter motor had an issue in 1985, apart from that clutch in 1996, and rear shocks rebuilt in 2010, engine gearbox and diff perfect at 59,000 miles.
Ferrari cars sit because owners want to avoid breakdowns and the ridiculous costs to fix them. Some people keep milage low and sell the low milage car for a profit 2 years later or dump the car once the warranty expires. People that have aquired wealth and able to buy a Ferrari are not in the habit of making bad money decisions.
Great informational video. Totally makes sense. I like that you’re to the point and not trying hard to be a personality. You just have one. New subscriber here!
I remember an article from Car And Driver. I don't remember how many years ago it was. It was a interview from a guy who worked at a Car Museum in the Southern Cal. He said that all cars that were capable of being driven on the street were taken out for a one hour drive on the freeway. He said that cars will deteriorate quicker if they are left to sit.
My 360 spider has zero problems. Fuel pump replacement after 14 years which is normal and cost pretty much the same as a Vw Golf, front disc rotor is 175 euro including VAT and small electrical type problems that cost next to nothing to be resolved. Just like you say most if not all the problems I had are related to the previous owner not driving the car. My biggest expenses are insurance and tax.
I'm leaning towards an F8! This video is great info. My 700hp Viper is 20 years old, as of 2021. All-natural. I broke a universal joint around 30k, replaced the clutch around 50k, then around 60k it started refusing to go into reverse. Put an upgraded trans in at that time. Needs new front wheel bearings now. Seat is worn out from doing the ass-flop. (It's lowered!) I drive it hard 50% of the time. 72k smiles now.
I totally agree with you Dan. My wife and I drove our 83 928S Porsche daily and put 70,000 miles on it and the only thing we ever did too it was tires oil changes and one cam belt when I first bought it
My 04 cavalier is an absolute monster I redline it every single day and it has zero issues with 300,000 km if cavalier was rwd would be an amazing drift car
I have owned a 308 512bb and F430 and the reliability of these cars has been as good as the 7 Porsches I have owned.What is different is the routine maintenance required for the cars.My mechanic and myself are probably still the only ones to do the cam belts on a 512bb without taking the engine out.As time goes by we may start seeing more electrical problems with the newer cars.Try 205 Re Seal for rubber life extension per Scotty Kilmers rec.Have used this and so far it has worked.My 1970 Datsun 240Z still runs fine but needs hoses now. Fuel pump and convertible top seals have worn of the F430.Routine maintenance will always be an issue and older Ferraris will always need more than most cars but as a comparison my 1981 930 Turbo needed an engine rebuild after 40,000 mi Congrats on your increase in subs1
The Miata is a perfect example of cars that sit and don’t get driven much. There are many 20-30 year old Miatas with under 100K miles, some even under 50K, because for most people they’re just weekend fun/toy/track cars. And so these older cars with fairly low miles sell for cheap because they have a lot of problems despite the low miles.
Both of my Porsche 928's were extremely reliable mechanically. I drove my first one to 144,000 miles in the early 1990's with only ONE issue, an oil cooler line let go. My 2nd 928 had no mechanical issues, and I sold it off in 2004 at 120,000 miles. Both had their share of electrical issues. Those issues are what done them in for me despite how incredible they were to drive. I bought and lightly modified a GTO. 13 years later I still have it, no issues other than the "normal" issues. These cars need to be driven.
Yes exactly! All the Porsche people tout how reliable they are, but the ones that sit around have problems. The catch is I think most Porsche owners aren't so afraid to put some miles on them so they don't have as many problems.
Dan have you tried AT-205 Re-Seal available on Amazon. I used this on my Honda Civic to help re-condition the seals and I don't have to add any oil between changes anymore. You can use in the transmission too. Just pour in the oil reservoirs.
@@normalguysupercar Here is the link. You will use it. www.amazon.com/ATP-AT-205-Re-Seal-Stops-Bottle/dp/B000NVW1LM/ref=sxts_sxwds-bia?keywords=AT-205&pd_rd_i=B000NVW1LM&pd_rd_r=067afa1d-bcea-4121-a4ba-1a5d323b9354&pd_rd_w=Te5Nh&pd_rd_wg=lEkyJ&pf_rd_p=1cb3f32a-ccfd-479b-8a13-b22f56c942c6&pf_rd_r=J03Z8T88QZRM5FFZ8JQP&psc=1&qid=1574624708
@@alonzobates348 No, but I drive it quite a bit more than the average owner I think. I've had only one issue: a small plastic piece of trim inside one of my headlights decided to come loose after the warranty had expired. I had it repaired fairly inexpensively.
MS ok good to hear, I was looking at the Mclarens, but I’ve heard too many issues coming from owners. I wanted to go with the 488, but I love the sound of the 458 more
In the past, I’ve owned two Ferraris. One 328gt and one 348tb. My total mileage on these card were 100k. No major faults on either. Both regularly serviced and both did a mix of long distance and short trips. I switched a few years back to Porsche 911 which have been broadly similar on reliability. Again regularly used and routinely serviced. So my experience has been positive.
Never owned any exotics (yet) but I do and have owned many 03-06 Mercedes S Classes SL CLK etc. I’ve found that the higher mileage daily driven ones have been way more reliable. Many seals dry up when they’re not driven and electronics fail when they’re not stored properly (aka not daily driven)
Thank you for the Info Dan! that is very true!!! i've had that experience to my 911 & all our equipments !! sitting in the warehouse/garage is not a good idea !! so if i would buy a 458 a bit higher mileage is better or lower ? and i already made up my mind i'm getting the 458 for sure!!. Thank you and have a great and safe holiday!! - Bubba!
Thousand years ago I knew of a guy with a 250GT SWB that he had trouble starting. His solution was to pull the Columbo V12 and install a 327 Corvette with 4 Weber's. My dad could never get it to run right so on went a 4bbl. It was driven in the Love Bug movie by my dad. He had a few hairy moments in it but the one I recall was how the wheels started to spin in 4th gear down the back straight at Riverside. Granted the track was damp... I would love to know what happened to that car and if it was ever reunited with its engine. Apologies for the trip down memory lane.
Thank you for your honesty ; I was purchasing a Aston Martin in spring 2020 and now I will find a Ferrari dealer and do some test driving & I need a car that can be driven everyday (no rest) if you have any recommendations ,will be much appreciated. Cheers mate.
@@normalguysupercar do you have a personal preference on how to buy a Ferrari: and the pros and cons. ,if you haven't already made a video on this topic, I think there are people out there like me that's need some Ferrari education#$% no BS straight to the point---? Buy with cash or finance half and cash. New or used. Thank you dan for clear up those bs story's for I have heard alot of he said about Ferrari
I agree with you for the most part. People should not compare a high performance vehicles to a mass produced vehicle. But Japanese manufacturers do mass produce engines of high output with respect to 100 hp/liter. Also things like sticky switches, droopy headliners, leather that falls apart, window regulators and door handle failures have nothing to do with performance but more with better choice of materials etc, and for such an expensive vehicle like a Ferrari, they really should not really skimp when cheaper mass produced cars do not have the same types of issues. I don't own an exotic car but my old motorcycle, a 1993 Kawasaki Ninja ZX7 which I ride only a few times a year does so reliably and does not fall apart from sitting. The right materials can last a very long time.
My question is whether the 488 gtb (I know the one in the video is a 458) is as reliable as a Huracan? I see many customers complaining about the battery that runs out quickly, the turbos with oil leaks, the TPMs sensors that give constant errors and the Huracans that I only hear are bulletproof
@@normalguysupercar I'm undecided between buying one or the other for daily use. In my country, a Huracan 610-4 costs around 225 thousand € and a 488 gtb costs 275 thousand. I think the 488 is prettier, but I only hear wonderful things about the Huracan and a difference of 50 thousand is a big gamble 😅
Simples, Anything sold by the gram will always be more exciting than stuff sold by the pound. Same applies with reliability. Mass manufacturing cures a lot of those issues however as you’ve alluded to use it or lose it! Cars prepared by racing teams are a totally different. I know I’ve raced in the Lotus trophy and everything gets cross checked but issues still arise. Those are Toyota engined cars thou. If I get another Ferrari I will use it as you do! Great information sir👍
I totally agree and besides, how many times have you been to cars and coffee and there was a crowd around a Toyota camry, hell how many times do people bring a camry to cars and coffee other than to just haul their ass there.
I am experiencing the same issue with content for my channel. My 2014 Maserati Ghibli SQ4 is my daily driver, has 75K miles on it and does not break. I did all the maintenance on it already accept brake pads. Does not yet need them yet. I've had it for over two years now, and have had only 1 problem. Battery, which was the factory battery, was over 4 years old and needed to be replaced anyhow. Coworkers have been asking me for the last 2 years how my Maserati is, like they are expecting me to tell them it's broke. hehe.
I find it interesting when your like well we need to pull the engine out to do a service. Keep up the good work. I love to see how things are built and how they come apart.
This is spot on. Especially for older cars regardless of make/model. Certain cars (weather dependent) I make a point to drive and warm up to temperature once a week. Others I can get by only taking them out once a month (newer cars). You do get a break with mid engine cars in regard to suspension and bushing wear due to weight distribution while sitting. Good video.
This talk of unreliable is history of the past, my 458 is over 70000km and my 430 is almost 100000km and never had a problem, I have friends that cars much longer than mine! The problem is people who never use cars, these cars have problems! And I use my 458 since the day I bought almost every day and always keep the maintenance in the correct period! People want to let cars use a few times a year, and then they want cars to run 100%! My friend instagram.com/cardoso.collector/ even uses his LaFerrari constantly, if I'm not mistaken it already has over 45000km!
'Atta boy! Yes, use is one of the single largest factors with respect to reliability. Even some of the older "unreliable" Ferraris are far more reliable if they just get driven more. Sitting around just dry rots all the gaskets and seals, then you end up with all sorts of fun problems.
Lamborghini LP560-4 Spyder. Had it 2 years covering 6000 miles, only fault being a single soft top micro switch. just passed the UK MOT test last week without a single fault :)
I just happen to be a Corvette owner who also loves Ferraris. So far, nearly 8 years and nearly 80Kmi and no mechanical/electrical engine issues. But, like said in this video, I drive mine. And, I've also tracked it. I do drive it as often as possible. Like today, it sat for a week with the tender. Today was a beautiful day (it's December) and I took it out for a nice hour or so drive. I always warm it up and drive gently, then just normal driving before really goosing it. I knew someone with a new 308 and they stored it on stands for 10 years. The car needed over $10K of service, mostly because it'd never been driven. Same thing probably would've happened to the Vette under similar circumstances. It's REALLY important to drive these cars as often as possible. Using them as an 'investment' platform is NOT the smart thing to do, imo. And the proper break-in is also crucially important. Don't do it as per factory recommendations, just burn rubber out of the new dealer lot with too low mileage, and possibly have an oil consuming problem child for the rest of the car's life.
Agree, i had a car that was drived daily and never had issues, then i moved to the UK and the car was just driven when i was back home once a year, and every time i drive it something went wrong.
I agree with Meg on the live stream. I am much more interested in a "normal guy" working on his R'arri in the garage than some other projects. Cool to see you back in the garage being "normal".
Very pertinent comments, I see a lot of Mustangs in America and here as well being bored out etc. Then, boom they fail and wonder why? Like you say the car/motor is only designed to do things at a certain level. Once you change that, expect issues. Good one mate.
My grandma had a 1991 toyota camry that was sitting in her yard for 5 years. Never turned on in those 5 years. I changed battery and bam drove it for years after with no problem. Dont blame it on the cars not being driven enough.
I'm not, but you must have missed the part about how that Toyota is build like a fucking tank compared to a high performance car. It's not comparing apples to apples.
I drive my 911 turbo 2,3 times a week. So far it only needs regular maintenance and it’s about 6 years old. Recently I have got a bunch of codes due to old battery. But there are people in my fb group with 1/5 the millage having a lot more problems. So yea I think Dan is right
Hey Normal Guy, have you ever gotten a "Engine control system failure - Go to dealer" code on your 458 Italia ? Mine sat for 3 weeks while I was on vacation. It was ran solid before this. Also, what is your best recommendation for a nice OBD scanner that can reset the code ? 2010 Ferrari 458 Italia
@@normalguysupercar enzo ferrari's obsession with fast food was well known towards the end of his lifetime. Thats what led to all of the sticky button issues that you ferrari owners have to deal with. He was always eating greasy italian cheeseburgers in the factory.
Couldn't agree with you more. I've had people ask me at fuel stations if I was insane for driving the GTC4Lusso in light snow or as my semi-daily driver. I've had to tell them " it's AWD, it's got snow tyres on it , heat & heated seats, and 690 horses under the hood.. Obviously it can handle it " I've had sales reps ask me to drop them off at their BMW dealer because their 3 or 5 series broke down, was leaking something .... my response " oh so you need me to drive you , in my so called unreliable Ferrari to your BMW aka Bring Money With dealer to pick up the car that has the so called ultimate service for the ultimate high maintenance machine because it was leaking or broken again huh? " .... look on their face is usually priceless. 2017 GTC4Lusso , serviced every 10K miles oil changes, software updates, twice a year I have a 4-wheel alignment done ( because of the 4-wheel steering system) and while it's in for 1 of those alignments, I also order ( not Racambi because Scudria parts has been less expensive on many parts with free shipping sorry.....) and I change the air, pollen filters. I also swapped out the front and rear brake pads ( 55K miles were on them and down to 1/3 pad left so peace of mind I swapped them out) , I've put 2 set of summer tyres on it so far and just ordered my 2nd set of winter tyres. ( live in New Hampshire). Month ago I noticed it wasn't getting it's usual 24-26mpg ( if I kept it under 75mph) , I was getting 16-18. I took it in to the dealer, they couldn't find anything wrong with it. I took it to a independent, Ferrari, Lambo, Bentley, guy I found on the Ferrari chat forums, he pulled the plugs and 5 of the 12 weren't firing correctly so he suggested new plugs, fuel filter, and a ECU reset. All better now.. :-) Now mind you .... This car has radar and laser jamers installed, and when I'm on the highway, 80% of the time I'm usually in the 75-100+mph range . I have as of last night 66,290 miles on my 2017 , which I drove off the lot with 62 miles on it brand new 10/18/2017. It's far from a garage queen. I have sales reps & friends that have witnessed me driving from our Bedford NH office to Midtown Manhattan ( 254 miles) in 3.5 hours flat . I've had Range Rovers and people attempting to have the same conversation about those and I'm on my 7th , I keep them for 3yrs or 150K miles and my master tech at my local dealer told me years ago " drive it like you stole it and you won't have problems, exercise it every time you get in it " which I do he's called me on weekends asking if I was going to a fire or something because I've passed him somewhere, " at mach 2 speed" , and he's bought a few of my traded in vehicles because he knew how I drove it and took care of it. I love the conversations of " oh XXX brand got a JD power award *** cough cough Chevy, GMC, Buick, *** yeah jackass, news flash ignorant fool, JD power is a FOR PROFIT...... let me repeat FOR..... P R O F I T .. organization .... they accept MONEYYYYYYYYYY from manufactures for testing vehicles and sending out cash with surveys when people buy vehicles ... Listen to the words in the awards and marketing " Initial quality " HELLLOOOOOOOOOOO MCFLYYYYY anyone home?!?!? Not 2,3,5,10 year quality ... Initial aka when you are signing the papers and drive off the lot.... not to also mention GM products ALWAYS dominate the " worse reliably and most repairs/recalls lists " . Anyhow yeah almost any weather the Ferrari is out and about , anything over 3-4" of snow she's in the heated garage and the Rover is being used. Monday to Friday I use 1 every other day and drive them as much as I need to. I have " first world/Ferrari stupidity" complaints about the GTC4Lusso, 1: drivers & passenger door windows don't do auto-close, only drivers does auto down. 2: Wish the glass roof at least tilted up to vent and/or opened up. 3: front end suspension lift went up or down faster 4: Needs a electrically heated windshield for snow driving ( like my rover has, and now Bentley Conti GT does), the dash windshield defroster air vents aren't as good & big as they should be 5: instead of gears 1-4 it's in AWD and 5-7 rear, wish it was AWD in all gears, winter driving in 4th gear at 65mph tach is at 42-4500 RPMs while in snow ( 4th is good for 132 MPH at almost red-line... just sayin makes for fun light snow driving & doughnuts ) ... gets annoying after 20-30 minutes of driving . 65K miles I've had the rear wheel steering ( left rear) actuator fail ( made by continental & covered under warranty) , right adaptive active headlight replaced dealer replaced the entire headlight assembly ( warranty) , JBL Subwoofer replaced , might have happened during a long drive late at night and needed motivation to get home. 2 recalls , 1 for passenger front airbag replacement , 1 for certain VINs with defective oil/water pumps leaking . Other than that I had in my mind that buying a Ferrari would have been a bad high maintenance purchase.... I was dead wrong! it's no worse than buying a American build highly over marketed sports car.
Lovin your channel dude...I am planning to have a used Ferrari someday and I appreciate your input and experiences. Also the darth vader scene was quite funny (a former 997 Turbo owner and current C7 Z06 Vert owner).
FINALLY someone explained this fact!!!! Well done and 100% correct. You should get a 308, 328, or Mondial...or 355 (they sound the best) Not only will you have tons of content, but it will help me when I get mine. 🤘🤪🤘
@@normalguysupercar You gotta ditch the jag and get one. I need to learn all the good and bad about that car. I would love to make a 355 my daily driver. 😁
I feel proud of having 458.. thnks for confirming that and I don't really understand why ppl don't use the car the way it should be as their bodies.. Cheers from Abu Dhabi
You nailed the real difference...tolerances. All cars, regardless of manufacturer, will develop problems over time. The difference is, like you said, a car being built on the edge of what is possible. The margin for error is very slim. I have an old school 406 CID small block chevy that makes 610hp at the crank naturally aspirated. Like a supercar, it requires constant minor maintenance to prevent catastrophic failure and gets a major overhaul every 15k-20k miles. In factory production form, that engine would have gone 200k with very few issues. For those comparing a Camry to a supercar, well, it's hard to argue with idiots. BTW, if you need more repair content on your channel, go pick up an Esprit S4! 😉
So basically what you are saying is a higher mileage super car will be cheaper to buy and to maintain as less things are likely going to give in because its been in use more...hmmm interesting I never really thought about it that way.
Interesting. Makes sense too. Do you think you might put in urethane bushings before these crap out? Also, did you put in the insulation above the garage yet?
@@normalguysupercar and the 488? I know that the original turbo, the IHS, tends to start losing oil. many of them were replaced under warranty, but continued to be IHS turbos
High performance cars, often driven hard. And often they are breaking after 10 years or so. My 8yo Porsche broke a lot too. These cars need at least 15-20 minutes of sub 4k revs warm up period. They also need fairly regular (annual probably best) fluid changes. That's pretty much all fluids, outside of trans. Even people do that annually. 458s are more reliable, although they can have issues. Ferrari has been steadily improving reliability as they have introduced longer warranties. As you say, the main problem is a car sitting, doing nothing. It is FAR better to drive a car HARD AS NAILS (after warm up!) once a week than once every 2-3 months. One final thing.. I have really noticed my 360 just doesn't like temps below 3 degrees. And what's the point anyway, the car is pretty unstable and not that enjoyable on icy roads. And it always pays to find a good specialist mechanic with SD2 and buying a decent OBD reader than can legitimately read Ferrari codes will come in useful too. The X431 Pro is one example.
totally agree, but supercars don't usually fit the daily lifestyle for many ppl around the world, ppl who can afford those cars tend to be financially successful, they might not have alot leisure time and the road condition might be bad in some country, etc, that's why ppl bought used and have fun for short period of time before they get rid of it
Cars are meant to be driven. There’s a guy in Japan who’s been daily driving a McLaren P1, and he’s had few issues at all. I’ve personally seen a Ferrari 360 with 150,000 miles on it, the red one that was all over articles two years ago. Hiding a car away and keeping miles off of it is pointless, and it’s downright neglecting the car. The only time I ever let my car sit longer than overnight is when I travel by air, but other than that, it’s my daily driver. You’re doing more harm than good if you’re letting it sit in a collection and not actually driving it. If it’s got tires and a steering wheel, and I own it, it’s getting driven, period.
Brother come on ! You park a Honda for a year and it would still run, try the same foe a Ferrari... also how about that Ferrari model whose engine would go up in flames despite being new? Saw one on the highway next to my house burning and. Famous British actor standing by with almost tears in his eyes.
Amazing cars but wont see Italians putting anyone on the moon soon. My TR two issues the weak output shaft with trans and a few electrical gremlins otherwise its been solid. Like the TR you must let it warm up for a few minutes otherwise its known that you must skip 2nd gear you wont be able to get into it so if you don't have time to really warm it up, you are shifting from 1st gear to 3rd gear. Yep the garage queens with owners bragging the car only has 1500 miles are ones that you might want to step away from unless the service is already done. Great factual video and not hearsay :) :) Im a corvette guy and performance level, they are already there LOL From the z06 to zr1. From Nurburg times to HP. c6 zr1 is bullet proof and pulled a ring time 8 seconds faster than an enzo. C6 z06 did as well. I hammered my vettes and expect breakage for how i drove it but its true, you can hammer the hell out of a vette and its solid. The base c7 is solid but again you have 4 levels of vette (c7 , including the grand sport)
Engineers don’t design cars to sit indefinitely. They are meant to be driven! 👍
Yup!
Just like our own human bodies
And then you realize you have a money pit in your hands.
Only to find out that they are MONEY PITS a few miles later.
Every time the move they break 😂😂
Jay Leno said he used his Countach as a daily driver in the late 80’s/early 90’s. He also said he never really had any big problems with it. Good assessment video.
Yeah that would probably line up with what I'm saying
I remember that video he put like a hundred thousand miles on that car and said it was very reliable
@Zack Smith what do you mean?
@Zack Smith oh I thought you ment because he was too tall or something but he is only about 6ft. It's not that hard to drive the clutch and steering is no harder than any car with no power steering if anything it is easier than bigger cars and he used it as a daily driver so that speaks for itself
@Zack Smith I'm sure he means hard relative to an average car not like you need super strength it's harder than average but I'm sure no defrent than any simular older car. I drove many cars like that back in the day they are a bit of pain when driving slow and parking buts it's no big deal, it would be now that I'm an old fart though haha
I try to drive mine every two weeks and yes it’s true, the more you drive them the better they get.
And kind of funny that the ones that don’t get driven are rewarded with a higher price when they’re sold to the next person who just lets it sit in the garage again.
Absolutely! Everyone is trying to buy the low mile cars and I'm like, screw that! LOL!
Dan, I absolutely agree with this assessment.
Thanks! 😁👍
You are right. I have nearly 30 years experience with Ferrari. You need to use the car regularly. It’s made for driving,not for standing in the garage. But you need to put your eye on some simple things. Always start the car up and drive until the oil is at least 70 degrees Celsius warm. Then you can push the throttle as much as you can. The car will like it. When you want to stop the car, slow down and strive the last miles in a normal speed to cool down. Your car will say thanks.
Yup exactly! But that honestly goes for almost all cars. Granted modern cars with modern synthetic oils are more resilient to that sort of stuff, but it's still a simple step to save a lot of wear.
You get what you tolerate in life. Ferrari owners are willing to put up with a lot. If we'd stop buying the cars because of reliability issues, Ferrari would build more reliable cars.
My 2019 McLaren 570S arrives tomorrow, traded the Ferrari, wish me luck! Let's see which breaks more! LOL
Haha battle of the fragile. Lol
how has it hold up?
I have been daily driving my McLaren P1 everyday. I go to work, shops and track days with it. Properly serviced and preventive maintenance is very important
Did you ever change the brakes on the P1?
When I bought my first Ducati (also Italian hand made) in 1978, my riding buddies told that I would never be able to go for rides because my bike would always be broken down. LOL What happened is that I never had any kind of failure on that bike. It turned out to be extremely reliable, and fast. It has started every time I hit the starter button, and has taken me home regardless of how far I was from home. And it's sitting in my garage right now, still looking like new...
And it looks and sounds WAY better than your buddies rides. :)
In before Scotty brags about his '94 Celica.
LOL! Sooooo true.
That guy loves Toyota and fords. Everything els is crap.
baxter37texas don’t forget Lexus.
@@jeffmays7192 which is a toyota
I had a 2000 Celica that I had for about 5 years and was a daily driver and nothing really broke on it. Just kept up with regular maintenance and drove it every day. Still had the original clutch, didn't have to change the brake pads either because I'd often manage speed with engine braking.
Was a good car but a bit boring as a slow fwd car. But it never let me down
Hi Dan, I totally agree with your analysis. I am in Hong Kong and I bought my 2013 one previous owner 458 spider in 2017 with 7,450 km on the odometer. I drive the car regularly and for long distances. It has now covered 25,000 km. The only problem I had on this car are oil seepage from the cam covers and the gaskets have been replaced in 2022. Thanks to your very informative video I advised my mechanic that this does not have to be an engine out operation and can be done with the engine in situ. Have to be very careful when refitting the high pressure fuel pumps. Of all the 458s I have seen in HK, all have this oil seepage problem from the cam cover gaskets. If you go back to the official dealer they will tell you that its an engine out job. The other minor problem is a broken steering linkage bellow this year. Can't really complaint about this happening after 10 years. Another problem is the carbon built up in the intake valves but this is caused by wall guided direct injection and blow back at idling speed. This is NOT a Ferrari problem but affects all direct injection engines. This has been fixed by my mechanic with walnut shell blasting. The other night there was a traffic accident and I was in the 458 and got stuck in the HK Cross Harbour Tunnel for an hour. Temperature gauge went up to just over 100 but not above. I have replaced the headers with iPE equal length with heatshield protection. The heat shield really helped with the temperature in the engine compartment. Once I got out of the tunnel the temperature come down swiftly. In June I was out of town for 3 weeks and when I got back the 458 started without any problem. I did not have to put a battery tender on it before trying to start the car. I can say from my own experience that if you drive your car regularly the 458 is a very reliable car.
Absolutely
I agree. I bought a 2008 Cayenne GTS last year with 36k on it. I’ve had to do a ton of maintenance on it just to get it up to working normally. coils, plugs, all fluids, end links, upper control arms. bushings were shot because it was only driven as a florida snow bird car since new.
Yup, they rot when they sit.
how many getrag gearbox are broken out of say 100 of them (458 and calis) ? my cali is 12 yr old with 8k mileage. im afraid the gearbox failure will randomly shows up when i drive it hard.
Maybe a couple.
Dan you forgot to mention those new Ferrari owners who use and use their cars and never do the maintenance only to leave the maintenance to subsequent owners who have to do catch-up because the vehicle was abused, maintenance wise, during its early life. Absolutely on point video keep going.
That's very true!
I love this guy . Just states facts and uses logic
I know that's a fleeting thing today.
Exactly true. Even my first Ferrari, a 348 was very reliable and I drove it all over the wester US back in 1994, through 1998. My current Ferrari is just as reliable as all the others I’ve had. Great comments.
Thank you
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The more they get driven the less problems they have.
That was a good point you made about your car being so reliable that you have to film your friends fixing their cars for content....great point
Yup its true
Simple tip from me, drive it and when not driving it leave it on a CTek charger.
Haha yes
good stuff man, keep up the hard work, enjoying the channel! Awesome that you took your dad on the cruise with you in the other video too!
Thanks
Officially my favorite TH-cam channel. Thanks Dan!
Yay! :) Thanks for watching.
My last Ferrari never had any major drivetrain issue. Almost all my issues were how subpar the interior was from gummy surfaces to broken window switches. Since then I have a Bentley Flying Spur as my daily driver and it’s been my favorite car ever, all the acceleration of a sports car and huge comfort of a huge luxury car, it’s been six years and no repairs other than wear and tear items. My Ferrari was a 360, so every point video is dead on about needing to let fluids heat up often to avoid issue to burn off water and impurities.
Yup gotta warm them up before playing
I have a 1941 Ford GPW Jeep. On the inside there is a original label on hat said to "start and drive the vehicle every 21 days" even back then it was known to use and move the vehicle. When I had my 64 1/2 Mustang I never drove it in the winter but every month I took it out for several miles to " move the fluids"
That's really fascinating about the Jeep. I would be it was even more so a problem on cars from that era as the lubricants weren't as good, and the gaskets were problem much lower grade than some of the impressive engineering they can accomplish now.
You blaming it on the rubber? Hahaha many a child was concieved this way.
Lol uh oh
Ferrari's generally suffer the same fate as some people's marriages.
Sitting in a garage? LOL!
Marriage is a scary thing I am lucky my wife is great.
Except there are less smiles with marriages, and marriages cost more. :)
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U missed the most important fact is that the more complex a car is engineered and built, the easier it is to break, in other words ppl call it "unreliable" but we know its not really the case, just compare how many parts used and the level of technology and craftmanship required for building a Farrari and a Honda civic, then u know the answer, also Toyota camery deliberately used less parts and low tech to enhance "reliabilty", so there is always a reason behind it, also Toyota is designed to last years for those low income ppl so they can afford it, but thats not the purpose for building a Farrari right? Jesus, some ppl just doesnt use their brain to think!
Good video, our 365 gt4 has never let us down since 1982, starter motor had an issue in 1985, apart from that clutch in 1996, and rear shocks rebuilt in 2010, engine gearbox and diff perfect at 59,000 miles.
Perfect!
Ferrari cars sit because owners want to avoid breakdowns and the ridiculous costs to fix them. Some people keep milage low and sell the low milage car for a profit 2 years later or dump the car once the warranty expires. People that have aquired wealth and able to buy a Ferrari are not in the habit of making bad money decisions.
Great informational video. Totally makes sense. I like that you’re to the point and not trying hard to be a personality. You just have one. New subscriber here!
Thank you! 😁👍
I remember an article from Car And Driver. I don't remember how many years ago it was. It was a interview from a guy who worked at a Car Museum in the Southern Cal. He said that all cars that were capable of being driven on the street were taken out for a one hour drive on the freeway. He said that cars will deteriorate quicker if they are left to sit.
Sounds about right
@@normalguysupercar I missed one point. The cars were taken out once a week.
My 360 spider has zero problems. Fuel pump replacement after 14 years which is normal and cost pretty much the same as a Vw Golf, front disc rotor is 175 euro including VAT and small electrical type problems that cost next to nothing to be resolved. Just like you say most if not all the problems I had are related to the previous owner not driving the car. My biggest expenses are insurance and tax.
Yup exactly!
How do you explain them catching on fire which is what they are notorious for?
There are some that have, but it's not like it's some huge number of them.
I'm leaning towards an F8! This video is great info.
My 700hp Viper is 20 years old, as of 2021. All-natural. I broke a universal joint around 30k, replaced the clutch around 50k, then around 60k it started refusing to go into reverse. Put an upgraded trans in at that time. Needs new front wheel bearings now. Seat is worn out from doing the ass-flop. (It's lowered!) I drive it hard 50% of the time. 72k smiles now.
Nice! As far as I'm concerned that's proper use.
I totally agree with you Dan. My wife and I drove our 83 928S Porsche daily and put 70,000 miles on it and the only thing we ever did too it was tires oil changes and one cam belt when I first bought it
Yup! Sounds about right. That's awesome to hear
My 04 cavalier is an absolute monster I redline it every single day and it has zero issues with 300,000 km if cavalier was rwd would be an amazing drift car
Indeed.
I have owned a 308 512bb and F430 and the reliability of these cars has been as good as the 7 Porsches I have owned.What is different is the routine maintenance required for the cars.My mechanic and myself are probably still the only ones to do the cam belts on a 512bb without taking the engine out.As time goes by we may start seeing more electrical problems with the newer cars.Try 205 Re Seal for rubber life extension per Scotty Kilmers rec.Have used this and so far it has worked.My 1970 Datsun 240Z still runs fine but needs hoses now. Fuel pump and convertible top seals have worn of the F430.Routine maintenance will always be an issue and older Ferraris will always need more than most cars but as a comparison my 1981 930 Turbo needed an engine rebuild after 40,000 mi Congrats on your increase in subs1
Thank you. Indeed any car that isn't maintained properly nor driven enough is bound to have problems...
The Miata is a perfect example of cars that sit and don’t get driven much. There are many 20-30 year old Miatas with under 100K miles, some even under 50K, because for most people they’re just weekend fun/toy/track cars. And so these older cars with fairly low miles sell for cheap because they have a lot of problems despite the low miles.
Yup
Love your channel- how do you invest? Takes mega money to own a used Ferrari and house with garage for one!
Nice job on this presentation. You bring up some very good points here.
Thank you
Both of my Porsche 928's were extremely reliable mechanically. I drove my first one to 144,000 miles in the early 1990's with only ONE issue, an oil cooler line let go. My 2nd 928 had no mechanical issues, and I sold it off in 2004 at 120,000 miles. Both had their share of electrical issues. Those issues are what done them in for me despite how incredible they were to drive. I bought and lightly modified a GTO. 13 years later I still have it, no issues other than the "normal" issues. These cars need to be driven.
Yes exactly! All the Porsche people tout how reliable they are, but the ones that sit around have problems. The catch is I think most Porsche owners aren't so afraid to put some miles on them so they don't have as many problems.
Well said sir!!!
Thank you!
Dan have you tried AT-205 Re-Seal available on Amazon. I used this on my Honda Civic to help re-condition the seals and I don't have to add any oil between changes anymore. You can use in the transmission too. Just pour in the oil reservoirs.
Nope
Scotty Kilmer recommends that product highly. Apply on all rubber parts, except for tires.
@@normalguysupercar Here is the link. You will use it. www.amazon.com/ATP-AT-205-Re-Seal-Stops-Bottle/dp/B000NVW1LM/ref=sxts_sxwds-bia?keywords=AT-205&pd_rd_i=B000NVW1LM&pd_rd_r=067afa1d-bcea-4121-a4ba-1a5d323b9354&pd_rd_w=Te5Nh&pd_rd_wg=lEkyJ&pf_rd_p=1cb3f32a-ccfd-479b-8a13-b22f56c942c6&pf_rd_r=J03Z8T88QZRM5FFZ8JQP&psc=1&qid=1574624708
My 458 Spider has been rock solid!
Yes!
Do you daily drive your car, I’m in the market to buy either a 458 or 488, how many issues and what kind of issues have you had
@@alonzobates348 No, but I drive it quite a bit more than the average owner I think. I've had only one issue: a small plastic piece of trim inside one of my headlights decided to come loose after the warranty had expired. I had it repaired fairly inexpensively.
MS ok good to hear, I was looking at the Mclarens, but I’ve heard too many issues coming from owners. I wanted to go with the 488, but I love the sound of the 458 more
In the past, I’ve owned two Ferraris. One 328gt and one 348tb. My total mileage on these card were 100k. No major faults on either. Both regularly serviced and both did a mix of long distance and short trips. I switched a few years back to Porsche 911 which have been broadly similar on reliability. Again regularly used and routinely serviced. So my experience has been positive.
Yup its all about use. I think generally Porsches get driven more and thus leads to more people believing they are more reliable.
Never owned any exotics (yet) but I do and have owned many 03-06 Mercedes S Classes SL CLK etc. I’ve found that the higher mileage daily driven ones have been way more reliable. Many seals dry up when they’re not driven and electronics fail when they’re not stored properly (aka not daily driven)
Yup exactly. Doesn't matter the brand, time and sitting around affects all cars
Thank you for the Info Dan! that is very true!!! i've had that experience to my 911 & all our equipments !! sitting in the warehouse/garage is not a good idea !! so if i would buy a 458 a bit higher mileage is better or lower ? and i already made up my mind i'm getting the 458 for sure!!. Thank you and have a great and safe holiday!! - Bubba!
Thousand years ago I knew of a guy with a 250GT SWB that he had trouble starting. His solution was to pull the Columbo V12 and install a 327 Corvette with 4 Weber's. My dad could never get it to run right so on went a 4bbl. It was driven in the Love Bug movie by my dad. He had a few hairy moments in it but the one I recall was how the wheels started to spin in 4th gear down the back straight at Riverside. Granted the track was damp... I would love to know what happened to that car and if it was ever reunited with its engine. Apologies for the trip down memory lane.
I enjoyed the trip
Thank you for your honesty ; I was purchasing a Aston Martin in spring 2020 and now I will find a Ferrari dealer and do some test driving & I need a car that can be driven everyday (no rest) if you have any recommendations ,will be much appreciated. Cheers mate.
250 GTO. It'll only keep going up in value.
Any Ferrari from the 458 and newer is pretty solid. You can even get warranties on any Ferrari up to 15 years old, not that I think they are worth it.
@@normalguysupercar do you have a personal preference on how to buy a Ferrari: and the pros and cons. ,if you haven't already made a video on this topic, I think there are people out there like me that's need some Ferrari education#$% no BS straight to the point---? Buy with cash or finance half and cash. New or used. Thank you dan for clear up those bs story's for I have heard alot of he said about Ferrari
I agree with you for the most part. People should not compare a high performance vehicles to a mass produced vehicle. But Japanese manufacturers do mass produce engines of high output with respect to 100 hp/liter. Also things like sticky switches, droopy headliners, leather that falls apart, window regulators and door handle failures have nothing to do with performance but more with better choice of materials etc, and for such an expensive vehicle like a Ferrari, they really should not really skimp when cheaper mass produced cars do not have the same types of issues. I don't own an exotic car but my old motorcycle, a 1993 Kawasaki Ninja ZX7 which I ride only a few times a year does so reliably and does not fall apart from sitting. The right materials can last a very long time.
They do have some poor choices with respect to sticky buttons and headlines, but many manufactures do as well.
Great advice Dan, and it makes sense. Always a thumbs up for you 😁😁
Thank you
I had never really thought about it that way it makes a lot of sense man
I'm glad you drive the hell out of yours
Heck yeah! And I suspect that's why I have had so few problems so far...
Yeah I'm sure that's what it is too
Any power mods planned?
@@JuanHernandez-tn8de not at this point other than a tune
You should definitely tune it man!! Are you into the crackle and pop tunes?
@@JuanHernandez-tn8de of course it's gotta burble
My question is whether the 488 gtb (I know the one in the video is a 458) is as reliable as a Huracan? I see many customers complaining about the battery that runs out quickly, the turbos with oil leaks, the TPMs sensors that give constant errors and the Huracans that I only hear are bulletproof
I would think so.
@@normalguysupercar I'm undecided between buying one or the other for daily use. In my country, a Huracan 610-4 costs around 225 thousand € and a 488 gtb costs 275 thousand. I think the 488 is prettier, but I only hear wonderful things about the Huracan and a difference of 50 thousand is a big gamble 😅
Simples,
Anything sold by the gram will always be more exciting than stuff sold by the pound. Same applies with reliability.
Mass manufacturing cures a lot of those issues however as you’ve alluded to use it or lose it! Cars prepared by racing teams are a totally different. I know I’ve raced in the Lotus trophy and everything gets cross checked but issues still arise. Those are Toyota engined cars thou. If I get another Ferrari I will use it as you do!
Great information sir👍
Thank you!
Normal Guy Supercar
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I totally agree and besides, how many times have you been to cars and coffee and there was a crowd around a Toyota camry, hell how many times do people bring a camry to cars and coffee other than to just haul their ass there.
Lol
I am experiencing the same issue with content for my channel. My 2014 Maserati Ghibli SQ4 is my daily driver, has 75K miles on it and does not break. I did all the maintenance on it already accept brake pads. Does not yet need them yet. I've had it for over two years now, and have had only 1 problem. Battery, which was the factory battery, was over 4 years old and needed to be replaced anyhow. Coworkers have been asking me for the last 2 years how my Maserati is, like they are expecting me to tell them it's broke. hehe.
Yeah you are clearly driving it regularly so it probably isn't going to have that many problems...
I find it interesting when your like well we need to pull the engine out to do a service. Keep up the good work. I love to see how things are built and how they come apart.
Yeah I like learning how things work. 😁
This is spot on. Especially for older cars regardless of make/model. Certain cars (weather dependent) I make a point to drive and warm up to temperature once a week. Others I can get by only taking them out once a month (newer cars). You do get a break with mid engine cars in regard to suspension and bushing wear due to weight distribution while sitting. Good video.
Thanks!
This talk of unreliable is history of the past, my 458 is over 70000km and my 430 is almost 100000km and never had a problem, I have friends that cars much longer than mine! The problem is people who never use cars, these cars have problems! And I use my 458 since the day I bought almost every day and always keep the maintenance in the correct period! People want to let cars use a few times a year, and then they want cars to run 100%! My friend instagram.com/cardoso.collector/ even uses his LaFerrari constantly, if I'm not mistaken it already has over 45000km!
'Atta boy! Yes, use is one of the single largest factors with respect to reliability. Even some of the older "unreliable" Ferraris are far more reliable if they just get driven more. Sitting around just dry rots all the gaskets and seals, then you end up with all sorts of fun problems.
Lamborghini LP560-4 Spyder. Had it 2 years covering 6000 miles, only fault being a single soft top micro switch. just passed the UK MOT test last week without a single fault :)
Nice!
I just happen to be a Corvette owner who also loves Ferraris. So far, nearly 8 years and nearly 80Kmi and no mechanical/electrical engine issues. But, like said in this video, I drive mine. And, I've also tracked it. I do drive it as often as possible. Like today, it sat for a week with the tender. Today was a beautiful day (it's December) and I took it out for a nice hour or so drive. I always warm it up and drive gently, then just normal driving before really goosing it. I knew someone with a new 308 and they stored it on stands for 10 years. The car needed over $10K of service, mostly because it'd never been driven. Same thing probably would've happened to the Vette under similar circumstances. It's REALLY important to drive these cars as often as possible. Using them as an 'investment' platform is NOT the smart thing to do, imo. And the proper break-in is also crucially important. Don't do it as per factory recommendations, just burn rubber out of the new dealer lot with too low mileage, and possibly have an oil consuming problem child for the rest of the car's life.
Exactly! And glad to hear you're enjoying yours!
Agree, i had a car that was drived daily and never had issues, then i moved to the UK and the car was just driven when i was back home once a year, and every time i drive it something went wrong.
Yup exactly! cars don't like sitting around
What about a California model? How are they holding up?
The Cali and more so the Portifino is supposed to be pretty reliable too.
Reliable until it goes up an incline more that flat and it’s clutch goes out 😂😂
I agree with Meg on the live stream. I am much more interested in a "normal guy" working on his R'arri in the garage than some other projects. Cool to see you back in the garage being "normal".
Well that's good to know and hopeful for the future of the channel.
Like you or me sitting on the couch all week, then trying to go run a marathon. Guaranteed we WILL break down. Good video Dan.
Yes indeed!
Very pertinent comments, I see a lot of Mustangs in America and here as well being bored out etc. Then, boom they fail and wonder why? Like you say the car/motor is only designed to do things at a certain level. Once you change that, expect issues. Good one mate.
Thank you
Great to here sombidy sticking up for Italian cars. I had a Fiat spider 1976, back in the 80s. Drove it like a maniac as s kid and always drove good.,
Yeah they get some deserved crap but a lot of undeserved crap.
Dan, how many miles do you put your Ferrari in a year?
My grandma had a 1991 toyota camry that was sitting in her yard for 5 years. Never turned on in those 5 years. I changed battery and bam drove it for years after with no problem. Dont blame it on the cars not being driven enough.
I'm not, but you must have missed the part about how that Toyota is build like a fucking tank compared to a high performance car. It's not comparing apples to apples.
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I drive my 911 turbo 2,3 times a week. So far it only needs regular maintenance and it’s about 6 years old. Recently I have got a bunch of codes due to old battery. But there are people in my fb group with 1/5 the millage having a lot more problems. So yea I think Dan is right
Modern cars hate when the battery gets old. All sorts of shit gets wonky.
Hey Normal Guy, have you ever gotten a "Engine control system failure - Go to dealer" code on your 458 Italia ? Mine sat for 3 weeks while I was on vacation. It was ran solid before this. Also, what is your best recommendation for a nice OBD scanner that can reset the code ? 2010 Ferrari 458 Italia
Yeah that's just the generic message on the display. You need to pull the code. www.normalguysupercar.com/tools/
1000% agreed... great video!!!
Thank you
Beacause the interior buttons are always so sticky, thats why these cars break down
Lol yes
@@normalguysupercar enzo ferrari's obsession with fast food was well known towards the end of his lifetime. Thats what led to all of the sticky button issues that you ferrari owners have to deal with. He was always eating greasy italian cheeseburgers in the factory.
How is the reliability of the Testarossa? I have heard that other than the differential issue they are virtually bullet proof, tractor like reliable.
Yup, the gearbox can have issues if you don't treat it well but otherwise they are very solid
That Corvette issue never buy a car that was made on a Friday
Or monday....
Couldn't agree with you more. I've had people ask me at fuel stations if I was insane for driving the GTC4Lusso in light snow or as my semi-daily driver. I've had to tell them " it's AWD, it's got snow tyres on it , heat & heated seats, and 690 horses under the hood.. Obviously it can handle it " I've had sales reps ask me to drop them off at their BMW dealer because their 3 or 5 series broke down, was leaking something .... my response " oh so you need me to drive you , in my so called unreliable Ferrari to your BMW aka Bring Money With dealer to pick up the car that has the so called ultimate service for the ultimate high maintenance machine because it was leaking or broken again huh? " .... look on their face is usually priceless. 2017 GTC4Lusso , serviced every 10K miles oil changes, software updates, twice a year I have a 4-wheel alignment done ( because of the 4-wheel steering system) and while it's in for 1 of those alignments, I also order ( not Racambi because Scudria parts has been less expensive on many parts with free shipping sorry.....) and I change the air, pollen filters. I also swapped out the front and rear brake pads ( 55K miles were on them and down to 1/3 pad left so peace of mind I swapped them out) , I've put 2 set of summer tyres on it so far and just ordered my 2nd set of winter tyres. ( live in New Hampshire). Month ago I noticed it wasn't getting it's usual 24-26mpg ( if I kept it under 75mph) , I was getting 16-18. I took it in to the dealer, they couldn't find anything wrong with it. I took it to a independent, Ferrari, Lambo, Bentley, guy I found on the Ferrari chat forums, he pulled the plugs and 5 of the 12 weren't firing correctly so he suggested new plugs, fuel filter, and a ECU reset. All better now.. :-) Now mind you .... This car has radar and laser jamers installed, and when I'm on the highway, 80% of the time I'm usually in the 75-100+mph range . I have as of last night 66,290 miles on my 2017 , which I drove off the lot with 62 miles on it brand new 10/18/2017. It's far from a garage queen. I have sales reps & friends that have witnessed me driving from our Bedford NH office to Midtown Manhattan ( 254 miles) in 3.5 hours flat . I've had Range Rovers and people attempting to have the same conversation about those and I'm on my 7th , I keep them for 3yrs or 150K miles and my master tech at my local dealer told me years ago " drive it like you stole it and you won't have problems, exercise it every time you get in it " which I do he's called me on weekends asking if I was going to a fire or something because I've passed him somewhere, " at mach 2 speed" , and he's bought a few of my traded in vehicles because he knew how I drove it and took care of it. I love the conversations of " oh XXX brand got a JD power award *** cough cough Chevy, GMC, Buick, *** yeah jackass, news flash ignorant fool, JD power is a FOR PROFIT...... let me repeat FOR..... P R O F I T .. organization .... they accept MONEYYYYYYYYYY from manufactures for testing vehicles and sending out cash with surveys when people buy vehicles ... Listen to the words in the awards and marketing " Initial quality " HELLLOOOOOOOOOOO MCFLYYYYY anyone home?!?!? Not 2,3,5,10 year quality ... Initial aka when you are signing the papers and drive off the lot.... not to also mention GM products ALWAYS dominate the " worse reliably and most repairs/recalls lists " . Anyhow yeah almost any weather the Ferrari is out and about , anything over 3-4" of snow she's in the heated garage and the Rover is being used. Monday to Friday I use 1 every other day and drive them as much as I need to. I have " first world/Ferrari stupidity" complaints about the GTC4Lusso, 1: drivers & passenger door windows don't do auto-close, only drivers does auto down. 2: Wish the glass roof at least tilted up to vent and/or opened up. 3: front end suspension lift went up or down faster 4: Needs a electrically heated windshield for snow driving ( like my rover has, and now Bentley Conti GT does), the dash windshield defroster air vents aren't as good & big as they should be 5: instead of gears 1-4 it's in AWD and 5-7 rear, wish it was AWD in all gears, winter driving in 4th gear at 65mph tach is at 42-4500 RPMs while in snow ( 4th is good for 132 MPH at almost red-line... just sayin makes for fun light snow driving & doughnuts ) ... gets annoying after 20-30 minutes of driving . 65K miles I've had the rear wheel steering ( left rear) actuator fail ( made by continental & covered under warranty) , right adaptive active headlight replaced dealer replaced the entire headlight assembly ( warranty) , JBL Subwoofer replaced , might have happened during a long drive late at night and needed motivation to get home. 2 recalls , 1 for passenger front airbag replacement , 1 for certain VINs with defective oil/water pumps leaking . Other than that I had in my mind that buying a Ferrari would have been a bad high maintenance purchase.... I was dead wrong! it's no worse than buying a American build highly over marketed sports car.
Quite the paragraph here, but EXACTLY!!! Yes.
Good point on sitting so sad! Ferrari Engineers need to start taking that to account...
They do to a point. Modern Ferraris have built in battery tender plugs and stuff like that
Lovin your channel dude...I am planning to have a used Ferrari someday and I appreciate your input and experiences. Also the darth vader scene was quite funny (a former 997 Turbo owner and current C7 Z06 Vert owner).
Thank you. 😁👍
I enjoy Dan's rants. Good points. Meg on the live stream said she watches the comment section so Hi Meg!
Hello.
Haha yup
FINALLY someone explained this fact!!!! Well done and 100% correct. You should get a 308, 328, or Mondial...or 355 (they sound the best) Not only will you have tons of content, but it will help me when I get mine.
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LOL! I want a 355. I think the pain is worth it.
@@normalguysupercar You gotta ditch the jag and get one. I need to learn all the good and bad about that car. I would love to make a 355 my daily driver. 😁
I feel proud of having 458.. thnks for confirming that and I don't really understand why ppl don't use the car the way it should be as their bodies.. Cheers from Abu Dhabi
Thank you
You nailed the real difference...tolerances. All cars, regardless of manufacturer, will develop problems over time. The difference is, like you said, a car being built on the edge of what is possible. The margin for error is very slim. I have an old school 406 CID small block chevy that makes 610hp at the crank naturally aspirated. Like a supercar, it requires constant minor maintenance to prevent catastrophic failure and gets a major overhaul every 15k-20k miles. In factory production form, that engine would have gone 200k with very few issues. For those comparing a Camry to a supercar, well, it's hard to argue with idiots.
BTW, if you need more repair content on your channel, go pick up an Esprit S4! 😉
Ha! Lotus scares me. Especially the older ones. And yes, exactly! You start pushing the limits in any car and you'll start seeing shit break.
So basically what you are saying is a higher mileage super car will be cheaper to buy and to maintain as less things are likely going to give in because its been in use more...hmmm interesting I never really thought about it that way.
I would prefer a car with miles, yes.
Interesting. Makes sense too. Do you think you might put in urethane bushings before these crap out? Also, did you put in the insulation above the garage yet?
No reason to put them in before the oem ones rot.
I bought an AMG for 190k. Is it bad if I „only“ drive it 1-2x a week for about 50 km?
But is reliable as the gallardo (LP models) or the huracan?
I think so
@@normalguysupercar and the 488? I know that the original turbo, the IHS, tends to start losing oil. many of them were replaced under warranty, but continued to be IHS turbos
High performance cars, often driven hard. And often they are breaking after 10 years or so. My 8yo Porsche broke a lot too.
These cars need at least 15-20 minutes of sub 4k revs warm up period. They also need fairly regular (annual probably best) fluid changes. That's pretty much all fluids, outside of trans. Even people do that annually.
458s are more reliable, although they can have issues. Ferrari has been steadily improving reliability as they have introduced longer warranties.
As you say, the main problem is a car sitting, doing nothing. It is FAR better to drive a car HARD AS NAILS (after warm up!) once a week than once every 2-3 months.
One final thing.. I have really noticed my 360 just doesn't like temps below 3 degrees. And what's the point anyway, the car is pretty unstable and not that enjoyable on icy roads.
And it always pays to find a good specialist mechanic with SD2 and buying a decent OBD reader than can legitimately read Ferrari codes will come in useful too. The X431 Pro is one example.
Yes warning them up will definitely help them last longer. Same for the trans. Gotta get in some miles before thrashing it.
Ferraro fan here but I am curious to know when are you buying a Gallardo or a Murcielago
No idea
totally agree, but supercars don't usually fit the daily lifestyle for many ppl around the world, ppl who can afford those cars tend to be financially successful, they might not have alot leisure time and the road condition might be bad in some country, etc, that's why ppl bought used and have fun for short period of time before they get rid of it
Yup. That's partly why Ferraris are known to break
Cars are meant to be driven. There’s a guy in Japan who’s been daily driving a McLaren P1, and he’s had few issues at all. I’ve personally seen a Ferrari 360 with 150,000 miles on it, the red one that was all over articles two years ago. Hiding a car away and keeping miles off of it is pointless, and it’s downright neglecting the car. The only time I ever let my car sit longer than overnight is when I travel by air, but other than that, it’s my daily driver. You’re doing more harm than good if you’re letting it sit in a collection and not actually driving it. If it’s got tires and a steering wheel, and I own it, it’s getting driven, period.
Amen
that Corvette example won't be viable for the C8, I'm betting. im curious to see how the C8 will turn out, when ppl start driving them.
Quite possibly.
Where did you get the emblems made for your car?
I sell them on my website. :) www.normalguysupercar.com/product/the-ngs-prancing-basset-bassotto-rampante-sticker/
It helps to be able to wrench 🔧 when problems arise.
Indeed!
Excellent points made here.
Thank you!
Did you see the ford vs Ferrari movie? Good information and explanation and it makes sense.
Yup
Im just curious... you bought a used Corvette C7 to be used as a rental by retail people. How many repairs has it had under your ownership?
None. Only maintenance
Very well put!
Thank you!
I will add...my 308 QV over the last 6 years has only been maintenance. Very reliable. 328s are supposed to be pretty good as well.
Yup those are supposed to just have normal maintenance which is fairly simple stuff.
I appreciate the Space Balls clip. Great movie. "Keep firing, Assholes!"
When will then be now. Soon.
Brother come on ! You park a Honda for a year and it would still run, try the same foe a Ferrari... also how about that Ferrari model whose engine would go up in flames despite being new? Saw one on the highway next to my house burning and. Famous British actor standing by with almost tears in his eyes.
Amazing cars but wont see Italians putting anyone on the moon soon. My TR two issues the weak output shaft with trans and a few electrical gremlins otherwise its been solid. Like the TR you must let it warm up for a few minutes otherwise its known that you must skip 2nd gear you wont be able to get into it so if you don't have time to really warm it up, you are shifting from 1st gear to 3rd gear. Yep the garage queens with owners bragging the car only has 1500 miles are ones that you might want to step away from unless the service is already done. Great factual video and not hearsay :) :) Im a corvette guy and performance level, they are already there LOL From the z06 to zr1. From Nurburg times to HP. c6 zr1 is bullet proof and pulled a ring time 8 seconds faster than an enzo. C6 z06 did as well. I hammered my vettes and expect breakage for how i drove it but its true, you can hammer the hell out of a vette and its solid. The base c7 is solid but again you have 4 levels of vette (c7 , including the grand sport)
Indeed!
Thanks again Dan......Ferrari's are wonderful car's, in both style and performance.....great discussion of maintenance....
For the most part I agree. :)