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Finally got the answers I was looking for and I like what you pointed out where if the person focuses on the minor things on the reel such as noise or other things out of self destructiveness, instead on focusing on enjoying fishing. Then the problem lies with them for wanting everything to be perfect when theres no such thing.
Awesome content as always 👍
thanks buddy.
Headed to Tennessee soon for a a vacation and some fishing! Thanks so much for all you do for us Victor!
110 degrees on the water right now...
@@ifishcatfish God that is soooo hot! Fishing has been really tough in north Carolina, too!
Thanks for your work and honest opinion!!!!!! You are awesome!!!!
thank you!
Wow, that was one thorough review! Both reels seemed pretty even at the beginning but you brought up some very pointed differences that we look for in our reels. That Stella👍. It’s going to be exciting to see what reel Shimano decides to bring those new features to next. Hopefully it will be in the next Vanquish but not the knob or that anti loop knot thing. My Vanquish’s are still as smooth and fun to fish as new. Know my next I’m looking forward to is a new Vanquish and a new Tatula Lt. Thanks again for the great review and hopefully your feeling better!
the new Vanquish should be absolutely amazing
@@ifishcatfish can't wait for new Vanquish too...maybe next year?
A stellar review of both reels (sorry for the pun)! Good point about some of the "improvements" (ex. line lay) not being so necessary as there was no problem in the first place. I have had no line lay troubles with a used 2018 1000SSSP Stella. There is something about the feeling of the 22 Stella model that I really like yet I can't explain it. The weight is a bit of an issue, so I am considering the 22 1000 SSSP Stella for it's low gear ratio and as it is the lightest of the lineup at 165g. Thanks Victor for another detailed and insightful review!
that's the model i'm thinking about now, but given how heavy it is, i'm glad Gary sent these to me as I may pass on both of them
@@ifishcatfish Yes, I think I have gotten spoiled by reels weighing 150g or less.
Great video, appreciate all the effort put into it
thanks mike
"The exist looks kinda like the sehara" hahaha thats like the biggest insult known to man, that had me lmao as I agree and the Stella is a beauty
well just that ugly handle.. The old sahara ( i have a few of them) has held the crown for the ugliest handle for many years..
Thank you very much for this honest review.What i wanted to know,something very important to me,while every time with every reel i must change the drag washers by 2500 size.I didn’t like them in any 2018 Stella or Exist,in fact by Exist was the most sticky drag i have ever encountered. How they compare this year? Can you make a video or a review only for drag smoothness? Because other than drag sound,this is very important,we loose fishes without a very smooth drag,and for 800 dollars/euro it must be the best in the industry.Many thanks,all the best!
I mentioned that in my fishing videos… both reels have felt and absolutely perfectly smooth drag, as u can hear in the videos
I think the 2022 Stella is a substantial upgrade when compared to the previous model!
What are your opinions on the aesthetics of the Aero Technium XSD? I think that it possible they used the same kind of beautiful paint they used on the Stella
i've never seen exactly same paint used on two reels, and I really doubt they will reuse the Stella paint on another reel. That said, those Techniums are gorgeous, and i actually want a couple to restart my carp fishing, Since i have the technium rods, but i want them to make a smaller model. I don't need to cast 150 meters and then the reel is too heavy to enjoy the fight properly.
Hi, great video. I have a Daiwa Exist 2000 D-P model 2022 combine with Shimano Soare 610L-S, and man i can thell you this is a pure enyoying, i can feel everything in water. Mainly i am fishing in Adriatic Sea saltwater and for some trout on local creeks, just perfect combination. Braid is Varivas avani 0.04mm, leader Seguar Premium Fxr 0.16mm. Enyoying every time on water with this tacke. Keep out doing this nice videos👏
thank you!
I can't speak for the Exist but my 22 Stella C2000SHG is THE smoothest reel (Out of the box) I've ever touched and I've been fishing for 50 yr.s and spun thousands of reels. Close second would be my 19 Vanquish C2000S and Vanquish 2500S. I do agree Victor that I'm not crazy about the Stella's handle grip. My Stella weighs 6.1 Oz. vs. 5.2 Oz. with my Vanquish C2000S so I find myself reaching for my Vanquish when Ultralight fishing.
yeah, she has some extra weight
@@ifishcatfish It's less than an ounce but now that I'm older it feels like a pound. In my younger years I'd definitely pick up the Stella first.😂
@@philipfalco7304 i dont mind extra ounce on cheaper rods. But on my jdm rods it kills the feel of the rod
@@ifishcatfish I totally agree Victor. Once you put a Vanquish or Vanford on a JDM rod you can definitely feel the difference but for my Bass fishing I don't mind the extra weight as much. I like the feeling of the added strength and drag power on my 22 Stella and 17 Essence better when I'm power fishing. Can't beat the feeling of the Vanquish when light line for Trout, Panfish and smaller Bass. Love your video's, keep them coming!
the reeling resistance comparison, was very eye opening. what gave you the idea to do this? great video.
i didn't really have an idea beforehand. It just felt different when i was fishing with them but rods and lures were different so i wasnt sure. So i decided to overload them to make the difference, whatever it is, very obvious. And it is VERY obvious!
I love the new Exist Super Fines!!
what do u love about it?
@@ifishcatfisheverything
@@valentinloghin4004 everything = nothing
@@ifishcatfish after fishing the reel for more than 2 hours I find it has a littele bit of resistence when reeling comparing to Vanford .
@@valentinloghin4004 that's right, it DOES.
Great review! Answered alot of questions I had. Thank you. I am now a subscriber to your channel.
see you around!
Great review ! Thanks a lot man!
I have a 5k 22 Exist and 4k Stella FK, and personally I like using the exist more. It's just so light! 7.5 ounces in the 5000 size. Makes casting for stripes all morning much more enjoyable. Don't get me wrong, I really like the Stella as well, and might actually prefer it over the exist in smaller sizes like 1000-2500. But for the larger sizes and heavy casting all day I definitely prefer the Exist. Keep the vids coming man, always love to hear your takes on everything ultralight!
yeah, the weight is a bit of a problem, as i mentioned. With these big sizes you should notice a huge power advantage though! Put some lure with huge drag on both of them and try to compare. These new stellas have some crazy torque converter inside
@@ifishcatfish Yeah I've noticed that! I'm not sure how to quite describe it but the stella feels amazing with a big fish on. I prefer casting the exist, but the fish feel a little better on the stella. Luckily I don't have to choose since I got both!
Hello, after spending time fishing finesse, what would you invest in, Stella or Vanquish or daiwa exist? all the best
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watch the last 15 min of this video.
The other brand I can't even say it is always bringing up the rear in their reel designs! The stella is the best looking spinning reel ever created
Best looking doesn’t always mean the best.
I needed this review
For me: Daiwa 15 Exist and Shimano 14 Stella are best looking reels ever
I got the 2014 and the newest stella. I would say the start up inertia on the new one was better than the 2014 when I first got it. Almost a decade later the stella feels LEAGUES better than my 1 yr old ci4+
The Shimano field tester said the Stella heavier rotor is purposely design that way to have momentum to reel heavier lure. I guess is true then
Greetings Viktor! Your analyzes are always great and I always look forward to a new video. Very nice review. Sorry for my bad English. I'll try to explain what I think about why the Stella is easier to handle (smaller mechanical torque) than the Exist... I think most of the answer lies in the number of spool oscillations per crank turn. The movement of the spool requires an investment of energy. With Exist, this happens a lot more times than with Stella for the same number of crank revolutions. This means that part of the energy and power invested goes to moving the spool. Exist uses much more energy than Stella because the spool moves more times. This movement is based on gliding. The forces used to overcome sliding are much greater than those used to overcome rotation. That is why the share of energy and torque used to move the spool is significant in the total energy input and torque produced. Also, a big influence can be in the way of lubrication and the choice of grease, but I don't believe that it was decisive in this case.That's some of my thinking. It doesn't have to be true. I would like to try those samples myself, but maybe someday there will be an opportunity. Once again, a big greeting!
you are correct. I believe i did briefly touch on that even in the video. But turns out there is another reason. Shimano change the geometry of the gear teeth in the stella and i think the approach angle is different and curvy. Watch the release video of the new Vanquish. Shimano claims that the new design requires less force to retrieve. But its very interesting they didn't say that when they released the Stella!!!
@@ifishcatfish Very interesting. Gear tooth geometry can play an additional role in increasing the efficiency of the main pair and saving energy. As for the Vanqish and Stella, perhaps the engineers themselves did not know that they had achieved savings on the Stella by changing the geometry of the teeth. Maybe your video just opened their eyes. I even suspect one more thing: the real source of savings is hiding from the competition! 🙂😁
Milan Stosic you are right ! It's exactly when you change the speed gear on a bicycle with many speeds.Biger crank is les effort.
@@romi66doho94 i think hou are confusing rotor oscillations with spool oscillations. Rotor oscillations are the same in both reels.
@@ifishcatfish No. Me when I told you about crank it's about the small crank made from white plastic in Daiwa Exist witch make the "UP and DOWN" of the spool'.
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I am going through kinda same type test... I am looking for a reel specifically for throwing rooster tail lures 1/8 & 1/16 oz which has allot of resistance in the water an d can be quite hard on the reel after hundreds & hundreds of casts. Looking for the perfect reel & generally use 8lb test & not necessarily the looking for the lightest reel in particular. I have 1000 size Ultegra and it does really well but has started becoming geary while reeling. Diawa Ballistic mq 1000 & diawa tatula mq 1000 will be going head to head next couple of weeks to see which one will hold up.
1/8th is right on the border of Ultralight fishing. If u cast that all day, and nothing else, go to 2500 size reel..
@ifishcatfish I agree.. don't really like 1/8 on my light gear. I have ordered some 1/32 panther Martin's, so maybe it will fit the bill .
good, so for fishing from the shore, for hunting toothfish, you would lean a little towards the daiwa exist or shimano sttela, what size and gear, thank you for the answer
i dont have experience with that kind of fishing, i don't want to recommend when im not familiar. I explain in the video the difference between the reels and u can decide whats better for u
@@ifishcatfish thank you very much for the answer
Since I haven't seen it explained in the comments yet, here you go for anyone interested in ordering any reel model:
C = Compact and only has to deal with body size in relation to the spool. So a C2500S is a 2500 spool on a 1000 sized reel body.
C3000 would then be a 3000 sized spool on a 2500 sized reel body... etc
S = Shallow model spool. So a 2500 and a 2500S will have the same spool diameter, but the spool depth is different and holds different amount of line. This is usually to adjust amount of line, but keeps the same amount of line pickup on handle turn. If you choose to by S, it will obviously be shallower than a 2500, but 2500 itself doesn't dictate the amount of line on the spool.
So with this knowledge now you can choose between something like a C3000HG and a 3000HG Exsence:
The C3000HG will be a 3000 sized spool on a 2500 body.
The 3000HG will be a 3000 sized spool on a 3000 body. Hence why you see the weight increase in the specs
Some reels that come out will only be made in a 1000, 2500, and 4000 sized body. So the C is used to adjust the spool size and make 2000, 3000, etc available without having to manufacture 5 different body sizes... otherwise we would be paying even more for these already overpriced reels.
Hello Air, How are you?? I have the 4000 XG reel. I had an issue with the drag/cap. I was hard to turn and seemed to be very uneven for drag smoothness. When i have my drag tightened pretty tight, i notice the spool slides up. I have a Very OLD shimano Spyrex and when I tighten that drag cap, the spool doesnt move. Can you see if yours does that? I contacted Shimano and i am waiting for their response. thanks a lot. appreciate it.
you might have missed it, but these are not my reels. Subscriber sent them for test and review and i sent them back. That said, my reels had no issue with drag or cap. I removed it many times to ivestigate the clicker and the drag discs and definitely there was no issue
@@ifishcatfish oh okay. yeah i seem to have an issue. ill see what shimano says.. thanks for respond back!!
They're both good reels. I think the stella have better line lay unto the spool when you retrieve, where u get less line getting caught up between the spool and shaft, if u know what i mean. Daiwa tries to reduce this with that lip on the bottom of the spool.
The stella is a little heavier and is noticeable. I find myself using my stella more than my exist, though...
I have 2015 exist 2018 exist and 2022 exist. I like the 2015 exist the most tbh.
I have the stella fj and fk. Both good reels Oddly i like the 3000 exscence the most!
If the Twin power FD and the Vanquish had a baby, this would be the outcome of that love child.
Great review my man! I would love the new Stella FK someday, great to hear you love it. Till then I am enjoying my 3k Shimano Vanquish, still king of ultralight! One of the reasons I purchased the vanquish was from watching your reviews of it too and always wanted a JDM shimano reel. I definitely put the 3k vanquish to the test here in south Florida fishing inshore saltwater. Fish on brother!
Although I have more time on the water with my vanquish than my stella fk, in my humble opinion there is not a huge performance gap between the reel. Stella has a slight advantage in smoothness and drag. Both my favorite reels though!
@@coltrain_fishin3162 thanks for letting me know your experiences with both reels. For me making the jump from using stradics to the vanquish was a pretty big price difference. Maybe I'll wait and see when they announce the new Vanquish :) Stella does look sweet though! Enjoy both of your reels!
I agree, the Vanquish is Still the Ultralight King of the hill.
@@philipfalco7304 my favorite reel still!
Hi,
Thanks for the nice video. Do you know what is the difference between the normal size 2500 and the PC 2500 version? The PC has 10 kg drag but what else? Thanks!
find the shimano.japan website for the reel, all differences are there. I don't have memory for small details, but the japanese website has very good details that you are not gona find elsewhere
@@ifishcatfish thanks for the fast answer, but I meant the Exist :)
@@mvladimirov2001 same answer www.daiwa.com/jp/fishing/product/index.html
You are doing great videos friend good luck and many thanks
thank you sir!
Hey, I was wondering if the Stella has handle wiggle? I just got a c2000s from Asian fishing portal and there is noticeable backplay and almost like a clicky feel. My vanquish does not have this. I ended up returning and buying a new one but scared the new one will have the same issue. Did you ever notice this?
all spinning reels will have a tiny free play. its like 0.125 mm. Without free play there will be tightness when u turn the handle
Was it enough to feel and hear an audible clicky sound even when turning the handle? When I slow down my retrieve but still spinning I feel the play. I don’t feel this on my vanquish
@@andrewhwang-xr3nn my reel didnt have any sound but each reel will be different. At the end of the day are u happy with the reel ir not? If not, just return it
Great video as usual.
Pretty interesting comparing torque between the two reels. Maybe that's why i prefer shimano for moving baits and daiwa for bottom contact baits. Never really compared it side by side though. But like u, i have noticed shimano is slightly easier to retrieve a resistance bait than daiwa.
Make sense for me. I use daiwa for UL in fresh water and prefer Shimano for saltwater (shore jigging) if you have a good catch you will see the difference.
I like to simplify. the best car is Japanese and the best model is the new one, then the details come later.
lately the newest model has not been the best with Daiwa... all of latest models have been flops
The difference in the resistance while retrieving while under load is due to line roller diameter, the shimano has a larger diameter line roller
why would that create extra leverage?
@@ifishcatfish A larger diameter roller wouldn't/couldn't create extra leverage.
Very good video!
Stella all day son, I personally like the Stella knob and if not its a easy change. I have heard that the bail arm fin is easy to remove...
im pretty sure it is; just not my reel..
How’s the exsence compared to the Stella? Trying to decide between the two. Main concerns are casting distance, drag smoothness, & longevity.
My stella was the best reel I ever felt. Nothing else compares to it. Casting distance and drag smoothness will be the same in all shimano reels over 200. I am really no expert on durability : )
@@ifishcatfish appreciate it. I ended up ordering a Stella 3000. Do you know where I can order the 2500 knob or handle by chance? I prefer the smaller knob but wanted the slightly higher gear ratio the 3000 has.
@@julianojanuario4012 I would check eBay first, if not call Shimano. I was able to find a lot of spare spools and good prices on Ebay and also purchased a larger handle for my 22 Met. Hg. Shallow edition.
I have both, and for finesse fishing, exsence all day long...
The q is does the osc mechanism has got any rule over reels torque ie worm gear vs locomotive , for me it does , but which part plays the greatest effect, i have tested many times certate lt vs tp fd both r 5000 size, tp would casts further n has got little more torque .
i think theoretically the locomotive has less energy loss, and yet it is the shimanos that feel more powerful... can't figure it out
I'm on my second stella first one bought and returned second I received yesterday with both reels I was and currently am experiencing a knock on retrieval some call it a click feels more like a knock to me. Seriously considering the switch to the exist. Has you or anyone you know experienced a similar knocking issue with either reel ? Thank you
from what i've heard, so long as you buy from a reputable dealer, they are all perfect. Careful with ebay or discount retailers
I had a similar experience. The first Stella I purchased (C2500S) had a gear noise and handle play so I sent it back but the the second one I ordered (C2000shg) was perfect. Now I'm gun shy about ordering from Japan because it's a pain in the butt returning a reel. The same happened when I ordered my Vanquish's. 2 Great, 1 so-so and 1 Geary. It's almost a 50/50 gamble and I ordered them from a reputable company.
My brothers 2000 was knocking too, it's like a thud hey that happens 4 or 5 times per handle turn, with lures of high resistance it was an absolute nightmare. My word of advice man, just get the Exist, it's an absolutely amazing reel and has 10x better quality control than the Stella FK, it's one of the reasons the 22 Exist is more expensive than the old one, they are carefully assembled and thoroughly checked before sending to retailers, this is something Shimano doesn't do with the Stella FK, hence a LOT of them have issues.
I know the Stella in this video is absolutely perfect and this Exist nice but not as nice, but I've had the opposite experience, my Stella FK, my friends Stella FK, my brothers Stella FK, and the 3 we've had at the shop either have some sort of issue or feel good but not amazing, my Exist however is flawless and I even enjoy using it over my Vanquish. I know they say the Vanquish is the "king of UL" but I'm extremely picky and I honestly don't think the Vanquish is that refined, the Exist is more premium in almost every way to my hands, but the Vanquish is still a very nice reel overall as well as it's spawns (Exsence/TP XD).
@@philipfalco7304 Welcome to Digitaka 😂
Hello, I just bought a lightweight spinning rod (3.4 oz) and was wondering what are the best best lightweight reel options under 350 USD? Thank you!!
i have a video called Ultralight Spinning reel Buying guide
Vanquish, without a doubt!
The ease of lure retrieval in the Stella might be due to more rotor weight?
please explain
inertia, the heavier spinning metal rotor creates more torque
@@jirehwong6140 No. Heavy rotor creates intertia, but inertia is NOT torque. As a matter of fact, if you could calculate it, a heavier motor would require MORE ENERGY to pull a lure than the same light rotor because every time you accelerate or decelerate you have to fight the weight of the rotor.
What’s the difference between the Stella 2500hgfk and the Stella C2500shg?
To me there is no difference. All reels with HG in the name are shit. I refuse to investigate such models.
@@ifishcatfish there the best thank you 👍👍
@@marcuskerns2740 😆😂
Hopefully we will see a 2022 Vanquish, with the same oscillation as 2022 stella but in a much lighter package. Didn't you say 2022 stella is too heavy for light Japanese rods?? I appreciate the time you spend doing these reviews. God Bless you Victor.
yes. thats why they don't care that the stella is heavy. Because the Vanquish is made for the light weight
@@ifishcatfish Hopefully Shimano JDM doesn't make us way until November before releasing the 2022 Vanquish. Who knows it might be the 2023 Vanquish. Thanx again for your reply Victor, I wish you the very best & God Bless-
Greetings, and hats off for review video. I'm also awaiting 22 Vanquish because I can't decide on these two. Question: I been reading many Japanese comments on a " Mr.K " review of Stella 7 months ago. He and they point out an initial failure on 3000 and 5000 xg as vibration and clicking sound on retrieve? What are your thoughts if you don't mind? I'm new to this so please help if have time. I want the best trouble- free reel ..
Looks matter to me, but weight not as much. I want solid, with good line lay and dependable drag. The thing has to work well! Golf, when it went to the titanium clubheads, the Big Bertha driver soon went from 190cc to 460cc, then they went lighter and lighter. I bought a driver that was supposed to be the lightest ever up to that point and one was supposed to be able o swing it fast……but it was so light, I could not feel it at all…..and it was like swinging a helium balloon at the end of a stick. Every reel is light compared to what we old guys grew up with and even what we used 20 years ago. Is feeling a good tired after a day fishing such a bad thing?
weight doesn't matter if all ur tackle is a good fit between the pieces. If your rod is heavy, it can feel weird with a light reel. But if u buy a 42 gram rod, u will not tolerate a 200 gram reel
Great review as always. Been a fan for quite some time. We have a different fate with the reels. I would take my Exist 22 over my Stella 22. My Exist out of the box didn't have any noise, sound came out after 3 fishing trips I would say. My Stella 22's drag is a bit of a problem, it is too inconsistent compared to the Exist. I love the Stella oscilation as well. But the drag feels different on the reel and on the water, I really dunno how to put it. I shelved mine, and I am sticking to my Exist. 😁
what size do u have? I think they put that shitty carbon in the big sizes and everyone is hating it. Just put normal felt if u have 3000 size. U can get the felt from the 2500 size. The 2500 have absolutely perfect drag because it has the felt
@@ifishcatfish I have a 2000S-P Exist and a 1000 Stella. The Stella I really dunno what's wrong with it so I shelved it. I got both of them early from Japan.
@@clydieskie mail it to me. I will inspect it. These reels have absolutely perfect drag and is pretty incredible to have a major defect out of the box.
@@ifishcatfish I am getting the same issue as most people in the ASEAN region are. Was planning on sending it to Reel Spa to get it checked out, I can send it over to you. My only other issue with this is the weight, my main rod weighs just 50g and it doesn't balance physically.
well thats a different problem. Nobody can argue with the weight. But i would argue that the 1000 size body Stellas never had any problem with the drag, in any region. Only the big sizes had this surging drag, that came with the stupid carbon washer, and that problem became famous, and now people are imagining it even in reels that don't have this problem.
Do you have any opinion about the abu garcia Zenon spinning reel?
yes. I don't like it.
Very interesting what will be the new Vanquish!
Very!
I fished all through the 90s and then stopped for 20yrs. I’ve just got back in to it and find it crazy that people think these modern shiny plastic reels are good looking! I think they look cheap and nasty; like toys. The Stradic/GTM reels of my youth will always be my favourite looking reels. Matte paint and minimal faceted panels always!
i actually like matte black too, but that's just not happening in reels any more. But as far as shape goes.. these are more beautiful than old reels. Looks like liquid metal from the terminator. These daiwa reels have no screws anywhere on the frame, even on the bail. THat is sleek and elegant. You need to but the shimano exsence then. That's the closest to old look.
I have exactly the same feelings but in the opposite way. My stella fk was noisy and had a good resistance. At this point I know for sure there is a huge difference from reel to reel. Its like a lottery you need to win a good and noise free reel. At this price point there should be al perfect
which store did u buy you stella from? This is the first complain i have ever heard about a Stella all these years. These reels are always perfect, no matter where u buy from, now im curious where did u buy yours from. Did you buy it new or used?
Just to add my 2 cents.. Buy the stella if you need power. Forget the exist for finesse. Wait for the upcoming 2023 vanquish instead. Goodbye exist 😁 hello vanquish 😉
Release date: Q2 2023
well I am waiting
“If you put a gun to my head” that escalated fast 😭
probably there are better applications for your joke... it wasn't exactly fast, after 35 mins of video, and there is no escalation to begin with
@@ifishcatfish Ik you might think it would be stupid but can you do a comparison and break down of a Kage lt and Tatula lt? Just for fun
@@thechamplainfisher7854 kage lt is tatula lt with extra bearing under the spool and a different knob. I have done the breakdown already
@@ifishcatfish typical Russian roullete 😜❤️
Are you excited for iCast 2022? I hope we see some awesome new ultralight tackle.
its still 9 hours from me. I dont know if i can go. And since recently i really hate disney
@@ifishcatfish Oh man what did Disney do hahaha. I also meant just hearing about the new releases on youtube.
If you want to explain the diffrence under load open them bouth and ceck the contact surfaces on the pinions and you will see that the daiwa has smaller contact area to make smother more lasting reels .....
i dont know why smaller contact means more lasting. I also don't understand why smaller means less powerful. I think Shimano just gave us the answer in the video for the new vanquish
@@ifishcatfish les friction
@@adriantataru7476 no, the geometry was changed. The approach angle is different. And less contact definitely does not mean more durability
Stella fk is the best reel no1
Sealed bearings on a high end bike hub can take 1000 miles of usage to loosen up.
good point
I bought a daiwa ballistic MQ due to their marketing of MQ being “more torque/power under load but your real world testing actually suggest that the shimano infinity drive is actually better for loading under pressure.
excellent point. I don't know if you can extrapolate to all shimano though. The gears in the Stella are unique only to the stella. No other reel gets them, not even Vanquish and Exsence. In all cases MQ is shit. What you need for torque is low gear ratio.
How did u find my channel? I've been trying to set up a 55 gal Tetra aquarium but there is too many deam pipes for return water. I can take care of the hoses but all of the plastic pieces i cant figure. DO u know if these plastic pieces are alternatives, or they all need to be used? Instructions are no good
I believe the plastic pcs give you different options for flow (ex spray bar, or elbow etc). I would keep it simple and just use the a single elbow.
@@redseaaquariums7564 thanks. Now just have to figure what a single elbow is.. : )
I like videos fhising frend
Have you tried the new ES2 esterline from varivas?
i have it but i still havent tried it..
@@ifishcatfish Oh haha gotcha
Superb
I have 1 of each in 2000 size for my ultra light set up, they are both fantastic but the stella is a more refined product. Your stella was not special they all are this smooth. Running small spoons in the 1-3gram rang will make the resistance between the 2 reels even more noticeable. I have caught over a thousand fish on it and its just as resistant as the day I got it. I have also had issues with the drag on exist being jurky, I have not traced out the cause of that issue. I would have to disagree with your statement on the knobs. the exist knob has gaps on its end that rub against your fingers the stellas are sealed and are smooth. I will be getting a different knob maybe even handle, overall agree with your conclusion on the reels. they both good but the stella is more refined and is cheaper by about 100$ if you buy it in japan.
why such thick knob on such small reel? If this was my reel this knob would be not only removed, but thrown in the trash. I don't want it on any reel, even bigger. Not only thick, but also round , so u don't have the feeling of the plane..
Noice review, hope youre feeling better :)
i am - thank you sir
@@ifishcatfish Glad to hear it!
locomotion cannot beat worm drive gear..
Also the Long stroke spool on the Shimano's definitely are better at casting distance!
Hello. 22 exist 3000 = 18 exist 3000 С ? Do I understand correctly? It's just that in the new series, the C index has disappeared somewhere.
No, i dont know how u got that. The new exist is a new reel.
Does the cheaper model like twinpower and ultegra transmit cranking power like stella ?
i hope you test the power transmit on cheaper daiwa's and shimano's
Great indepth review as always 🙏
i can test but will not be able to compare, as these reels are not mine and i have to return them
@@ifishcatfish Thx for the replies waiting for your next video 👍
Stella fk is in another game alltogather , casts like a big pit reels yet it’s light N on the top of all no magseal oil gimik to worry about , awaiting my stella fk 5000 size one
dont see how magseal is a gimmick? i have both shimano and daiwa reels, tried fishing my certate for 7 days straight in saltwater before keeping it another month and then finally washing it, no issues whatsoever, then i tried fishing my shimano stradic ci4+ and 19 twinpower for a day in saltwater and then washed it only 2 days later, both roller bearings crapped out on me and now i have to order a new set for both reels.
@@jirehwong6140
That’s too much but very possible with both co’s ! Again i have some daiwa reels but nothing like shimano
I have both, the Exist is a better performer than the Stella. Honestly the Shimano Exsense is by far the best bang for the buck. Cast like a dream and super light. On top of that it’s over $200 cheaper.
why do u like exist better? Exactly WHAT in the exist is better than the stella?
amen to the exsence, if only they would make a 1k or c2000 size for that reel i wouldnt even bother looking at the stella or vanquish.
I love my 17' Exsence 3000MHG for Bass but definitely not for Trout. You can't beat the Vanquish for Trout. I have the 22 Stella C2000SHG and it's the smoothest, most refined reel I've ever fished but it falls between the 2 reels I mentioned. It's more for light Bass fishing. I haven't tried the 22 Exist. I'd rather spend my money on the new 23 Vanquish.
Interesting thoughts. I guess, everything you said is quite logical and follow the old way of things: Exist for more finesse applications, Stella for heavy fishing scenarios. That was always the case.
Power is a good thing, but it has its price - sensitivity. Depending on fishing type one can be much more important than the other. I made a mistake not so long ago buying 20 Twin Power 2500 for rather light fishing with lures up to 15 grams. Yeah, it wasn't bad, but once tried Exist on this rod I felt the difference. Stella has a problem, it's really heavy by today's standards for many fishing applications. Power is a good thing but having like 5lb line it's quite pointless, isn't it? I believe these reels have one thing in common - price point, everything else makes them different. It's like comparing Twin Power with Vanquish; very different reels.
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Shimano makes great gears. They dominate the bicycle gear market.
yup
the STELLA rules once again!! (but not the SW series, the new SW kind of sucks and the 2020 SALTIGA rules the saltwater game)
Listen, if there’s no review by “I-fish” then I’m not buying! his review of the 2020 twin power FD is an absolute master piece. I think under load the Stella could have a different grease? Maybe a lower gear?
haha.. The gear ratios are almost identical between these two reels... I still haven't figured it out but now many people confirmed it's easier w the Stella
I purchased the 2020 Twinpower 2000 and sent it back the same day. It's a Tank and not even close to the 22 Stella 2000.
@@philipfalco7304 thats a little harsh... You should have known the weight of the reel, it has AL frame. The new stela has new gears with superior geometry - we now know the secret.
@@ifishcatfish I'm just being honest Victor. I already owned the Stradic fl 1000 and loved it and when I purchased the Twinpower 2000 I just couldn't justify the price considering my Stradic was almost identical in weight and smoothness with a little more line capacity. I'm sure the Twinpower is great for saltwater but for freshwater give me my Stradic, Vanford, Vanquish, Stella and Exsence. There's a reason the Twinpower and Sustain are always NOT big sellers in Shimano's lineup.
@@philipfalco7304 sometimes honest is not enough
Судя по надписи на опоре ноги, STELLA - S-K - она была сделана для внутреннего рынка Японии. F - экспортный вариант.
2500s значит что корпус от 1000, а шпуля 2500
@@Robinson.69 s-значит мелкая шпуля,а что механизм от 1000 в 2500 обозначает буква - C( компакт боди).У меня Stella C3000 14-го года.У неё механизм от 2500-й.А отсутствие букв после размера говорит о том,что шпуля - стандартной глубины и передатка обыкновенная - не HG и не XG.Эта стелла у меня работает уже 9-й сезон при всего 2 -х ТО за всё время и замена подшипника ролика лесоукладывателя этой весной.)Груза от 8 до 30(редко),24(часто). Мне второй раз привозят стеллу прямо из Японии и на опоре ноги отсутствует буква F.Я пришёл к выводу,что для внутреннего рынка они не пишут букву F,как для Европы.А насчёт расшифровки обозначений можно набрать в ютубе.Есть,как минимум,пара хороших видео.К примеру мне сейчас привезли STELLA 4000M-K.Это значит,что катушка с обыкновенной передаткой(5,3) - по умолчанию и М - средней шпулей.К - 2022 год.Там ещё есть блестящая круглая наклейка,на ней месяц выпуска и завод.У меня - июль и завод в Сакаи. Как-то так.
What lake is that? Beautiful
This is TN. Everywhere is beautiful.
@@ifishcatfish Tennesse? What lake?
@@andreasjonsson8075 old hickory
Another great review as always.
Cheers mate 🍻
Thank you! Cheers!
Pretty annoyed by shimano changing the C2500 for no reason… it was great in the 2018 model when it had the 2500. Off with the 2500 gears still don’t know why they changed it.
They still have 2500 with the 2500 gears.. Just don't but they C model. All other models are normal.
There is a japanise yt channel review on 2500shg 22 exist 18 exist and 19 vanquish. Test has been done on light saltwater fishing. (Daiwa 22 exist 34min 56 sec eng subtitels) that video will give a consumer an idea what true potential is for these high end reels. Side note, guy tested 22 stella in another long review and did not metinon any other reels in that video,true stella lover🤣😁 . But at the same time as potential buyers watching this videos need to understand that reels can do more than ultra light. Nothing against your videos Viktor. ❤
Have you met anyone who claims these reels cannot do anything except ultralight fishing? That's a rather strange statement. I can't believe anybody would have such opinion, given that these are both flagship reels.
I have both 18 Exists Lt and 18 Stellas. The 22 Exist is just ugly to me beside the new looks of the matching color rotor. Very lazy designing on the 22 Exist. Though the 22 Stella looks similar in design, I would like to add 1 or 2 to my reel arsenal due to the improved gears and line management. I'm a true US tackle junkie with all the mid-high range prices Daiwa/Shimano. I don't care about light weight if it's already 7.4oz and under. I don't have them wrist/shoulder problems while casting 10+ hours a day. I was really fit when I was young and used to fishing heavy 2lb reels/rods combo. Now fishing with 8-11oz combo, I wouldn't complain. Since people worry so much about the weight of the reels. I would rather have 2 21 Exsence over 1 Exist. I had the 22 Exist for 1 week and thought the price doesn't cover the value that it's better than my 18 Exist. Now waiting on the 22 Stella. These are just my opinions in terms of price over values. Victor is spot with lots of the things he said.
thanks you sir
Hello, what do you think about the 18 exist mate?
thanks
just as good as the new in the hand.
The stella knobs really piss me off. Paying 700 for that knob is painful
what is even more painful, is that they ALREADY HAVE the perfect knob! The $70 Sahara knob is dawg on perfect!
@@ifishcatfish I agree with this
@@ifishcatfish When will we get that how to shim your reels video?
@@felixliao5801 to tell you the truth i am not proud of my skills in this area even though i played with this quite a few times. If i completely remove the free play, then it doesn't spin freely any more. If it spins freely, it does have some free play.. I don't know if people have secrets about this, or this is the best that can be done
high price like an apple smartphone what the heck but the design is damn not fair someone to buy
The Stella may be the best looking Shimano, but ugly compered to the Daiwa 22 Exist!
The Exist also has so many more cleaver design details, higher precision and best gear alloy (A7075).
When comparing torque, remember the length of the crank and not the least the PC models with larger main gear!
Too many people are obsessed with reel weights of oz. 🙄
The weight of a reel is not as important as balanced rod and reel match.
thats right
well maybe thats because alot of people havent had the chance to fish rods like the evergreen salty sensation superior series which weight btwn 39-83g. on those kinda rods even a 200g reel feels like crap and outta balance.
@@jirehwong6140 these are not real rods though, they don't have reel seat, no butt, no paint no clear coat no hook keeper no nothing. These are exotic toys that are fun but not really practical. NOBODY is designing their reels for such silly things.
just curious, have you had the chance to even test out the high end range of ajing type rods that are coming out of japan or are you just dissing them as not real rods because they dont have clear coats or hook keepers or reel seats because its the lack of all these gimmicks that make these rods way more sensitive and responsive when it comes to actually working micro anything.
im all for honest opinions when it comes to reviews but subjective dissing or even giving opinions on gear that you have no experience with or is outside of your budget. its almost like saying ferraris and lambos are not real cars because they lack adequate boot space and consume too much fuel per mile and cannot go off road.
Excuse me, my dissing is very objective! You yourself quoted all the reasons for which i claim these rods a silly impractical toys. I keep buying new rods all the time but stay away from Nonsense. U need to watch my video about weight of ultralight rods where i discuss this nonsense in detail.
I think the exist look very beautiful. Its like italian design sexy curve with no over cosmetics.
5000 $
How much figure of indian rupee 🤔
5:31 you mean 2000 body?!
there is no 2000 size body. 2000 size reels always use 1000 size body
Twoim zdaniem który kołowrotek jest lepszy
I dont speak polak
@@ifishcatfish jestem Polakiem i piszę i czytam w ojczystym języku a ty jak nie potrafisz odpowiedzieć to nie
I notice that the exist rotor has more flex over Stella's rotor.
interesting.. maybe i didn't load mine enough.. : )
is stella fk for saltwater?
all stellas are for saltwater
Not that i have to buy this reels but i lean towards exist. All the youtube reviews i have seen leaves me impression that exist is a head. This video left more confusion on the table. I own 2500s vanquish and had luvias that i just gave away. I found that im falling in love every time more and more to vanquish if ill go fishing.We all have to wait the next vanquish. 22 exist is old vanquish and stella 22 is not perfect for light and ultra light with high end japanise rods. My only take away from this video was that stella was silent. In the shop all the ones 22 stellas i have spinned the 22 exist wins all the time. I feel that if you highly sensitive you need many rods and many reels and its hard to get the combo right. But if you get that far its more about how you feel and less about fishing.
Even my Exist, with all the noise, feels great while fishing, and i said that in the video. The problem is that these days many reels feel great. So u have to make arbitrage using small things like appearance and spool oscillation and resistance. I am an ultralight angler, but if you are not, i can see how these may not be important for u. Even the power advantage - i expect some engineer will one day give me the right explanation for that. Maybe there is some leverage advantage somewhere that I am missing
I wonder if the JDM versions are different then the US retail versions? I have both out of japan, and the handle on the exist will rotate a dozen times before stopping while the exist doesn't. Anyway we can get a set from japan and a US retail version to compare?
when rusian mafia going fishing lol.
for ultralight fishing that 1k-2.5k stella is gonna be absolute crap, firstly the weight is not gonna balance with any of the cutting edge rods out there like evergreens, graphiteleaders or ticts which are all cutting weight and ranging btwn 38-70g.
secondly the metal rotor in the smaller sized reel would be totally uneccessary. its marketed as much stronger but its not as if people will be using it for reel destroying pelagics. the unwanted outcome of that is a smooth but totally dead (no feedback) fishing experience when using microlures sub 5g. first experienced that nonsense on a 19 twinpower in 1k size. working sub 5g minnows or 3g tailspin lures would usually give vibrational feedback but on the twinpower absolute zilch, meaning that many times when the lure picked up trace amounts of seaweed or debris and stopped working right there was zero indication as compared to other reels with a traditional ci4 rotor.
i think shimano kinda lost the plot with their 22 stella in the 1k-2.5k department when the whole point about reels in those sizes was for light to ultralight luring and they seemed to have regressed at least 6yrs. a suitable comparison for reels with those kinda features and weight would be the 2016 certate and ive no doubt that the certate would beat the 22 stella, ive got 5x 2016 certates which are pretty much as smooth or at least 90% of what it used to be after years of heavy saltwater use and abuse (washing a month after use) without any issues.
you are thinking and talking about a Vanquish. Shimano never meant to displace the Vanquish with Stella. A strong 1000 size is very useful in saltwater where even small fish are nuts. Even in freshwater i fish for bass with 1000 size reels and don't mind a stronger rotor, that gives rigidity and makes the drag smoother during pulls. Your points are true, but you are looking in the wrong direction. You can already buy Vanquish for what you want, and a new Vanquish is coming out soon, The Stella is sitting on top of Twinpower, not on top of Vanquish.
tried the new exist and compared with the vanquish and very much prefer the exist, the vanquish is def my favourite 1k size from the shimano stable second only to the stradic ci4+. i do use my ultralight setups for micro jigging trevallies under 2kg but i still feel the metal rotor totally uneccessary, the line would snap even before a plastic rotor gets compromised considering the whole component setup of ultralights.
that said i am looking forward to the new vanquish, either that or hoping for an exsence in a 1k or 2k size, the exsence is essentially what i feel a fw stella should be, smooth, light turning and an all round amazing reel to use.
To me there very plain looking. But I'm sure in person they look nice. I think the luvius looks better
mm, go see the Stella in person at Bass Pro shops... it really looks super expensive. You will be in awe when u hold it
My 22 Exist beats the living Covid 19 out of my 22 Stella. I have many Shimano and Daiwa. I'm no hardcore of any brand but Stella is far behind Exist. To much to talk about it but to each it's own. To be honest the best reels I ever fished with are 22 Exist, 19 Certate and a very old Stradic.
beats it in WHAT? Be more specific!
Sorry Viktor, I disagree. I guess if you're not fishing and you want to just hand handle the reels by itself and gaze at it- how it looks, feels, and sounds then the Stella wins. Now test on the waters and start catching fish- you will see the true work horse performance of the Exist! I had both reels and fished it for 1 yr. I ended up selling my Stella. IMO- The Daiwa has a very futuristic look and the smooth and sexy look. Now take a look at how squared and boxy that Stella still is?!
You are right - we disagree completely. U can argue about the looks but the drivetrain of the new stella is the best the fishing industry have ever schieved
Stella 2022 is the best...👍👍👍
Tolong arahkan saya untk membeli EXIST / STELLA PLEASE FOR ME🙏🙏🙏
i dont speak tajikistani language
@@ifishcatfish can you choose one between the DAIWA EXIST / SHIMANO STELLA and the new 2022 for me, thank you
@@kindiparfum9929 well i did. In the video.
@@ifishcatfish EXIST or STELLA ?...
@@kindiparfum9929 Yes!
Stella is more beautiful but so heavy. For light rods unusable
right
Nice video but my diawa lt 1000 bollistic just as good if not better 11lb of drag shes so sexy with the pink 5lb braid...happy new year
its a great reel but its NOT as good! : )
@@ifishcatfish oh by the way my two buddys got the stella 1000 they act like it's made of gold there so afraid if it has one spec of dust on it...
@@donaldstephensen8654 lol - i believe that
Miss FJ Sustain, is much “hotter” than Stella.
no its not, but either way, it doesn't come in small sizes, and i am kind of an ultralight angler.
Okey ill just be honest. In this review you talk about the looks, noises and how it makes you feel. In 35min you did not even talk how the drag performance worked both reels. Imagine a guy whos driving ford all is life and has change to drive and review porsche and ferrari while having them only for a week? You must watch that japanise guy and get a better understandig what needs to be reviewed beside looks and noises. Ill be honest what i have learnd so far from my experience playing with high end japanise rods and reels. First of all i have a very sensiteve hands. 2500 size reel can bang the first guide and it can be anoyinng 2000 size fixed that issue. Vanquish 2500s carbon handel transforms gear movement and you can sense occilation,metal handel mute it. If you have to retrive continuesly for example spinners or spoons,daiwa luvias 2000 feels more solid and no gear
noises. What im looking from a new reel is metal side plate for sensitivity, less start up inertia and i dont want feel gear movement and humming as shimano is well known fot it and lets not forget that drag.My current combo is yamaga blanks blue curret proffesional and 2500s vanquish. Its for trout, black bream, sea herring,bone fish.
I have a better idea: YOU go watch your japanese guys, and i talk about whatever i feel like talking about! You seem to know a lot - you should leave me alone and start your own channel and tell the world how you feel about these reels!
@@ifishcatfish dont take it personally, i dont want to offend you our your channel. There is always a room for another exist vs stella review. This battel will not end anytime soon. Ill let you be the first channel to explain in calm and a plesant emotional manner how rod and reel balance,spool size,handel lengt,first guide bangging and etc works. Its fun to get it right but it needs a lot of money and time and good understanding. One day in perfeckt world there will be a video in english that gives all the right answers about stella and exist.😉😇
@@leets99 offend me?? Ha, don't flatter yourself.. there is nothing you can say that can offend me, and that is not exaggeration! I literally could not care less what you think of me or my channel : ). I am trying to brush you off so you go away, but you are annoying and keep coming back, like an annoying horse fly. You come with some loud ideas about what i should be doing, and what i should be watching, and all i could think of, how do i get rid of this annoying horse fly.
Okey kolhoznik keep greasing your tractor and get in line to get your 4th booster. If you cant handel feedback and dont want dig deeper its your problem. America has made you soft kolhoznik!
@@ifishcatfish yeap theres always a genius out there who would say, oh i know this and this and that more than what you know. So you should say this this and that on your vid.
So I agree with you Victor. Since this horsefly knows so much, then he can make his own video instead of crying into someone elses channel. Nobody is stopping him from making his own content.
If he has time to bitch pointing out things on your channel then this horse fly should not have any excuse not to make his own.
stella 2 years and trash if you use a lot...
so.. what do you recommend? : )
Tailwalk Speaky@@ifishcatfish
what the hell is that??