One thing I noticed about goku is that he loves knee and elbow strikes. Originally I thought it was muay Thai but upon research I found out it was a Chinese martial arts style called bajiquan. Plus he loves the gut punches like what he does against piccolo, nappa, frieza and jiren(in the manga) but im not sure what style it is
I always liked vegeta's fight style.... Because he actually fights and when Goku uses actual fight techniques, I like Goku's style. Until everyone dumps skill and goes for broke and it because a bland brawl.....
We can't forget Bojustu & Bajiquan. Goku does have the power pole & has shown some use of it in combat. Goku has also been shown to explode towards his opponents with strikes & specially elbows
From what I’ve seen vegeta fights like a martial artist too it’s just vegeta is more straight forward with his attacks and goku is more calm and goes with the flow
@@red_is_a_number4246 at least acknowledge his hard work instead of calling it “less” and plus goku is MC so it’s no surprise he’s the strongest since he’s the beloved MC (a boring one if you ask me😒)
@@ruthless1129 literally the only reason vegeta is working hard is to beat kakarot because his pride is way too high, where as goku likes fighting and protects the people he loves whatever the cost and his power is obviously gifted but he’s still put in plenty of work so personally I think he deserves more credit than vegeta
@@red_is_a_number4246 no goku says he fights because he wants to be the strongest and he also does it because he enjoys it but your not wrong about the family part but I’m just reminding you not to leave the other two reasons out to why goku fights just like you did with vegeta two other reasons which is being the strongest and protecting his friends and family and me personally I think vegeta deserves more credit than goku since he’s always getting humiliated but still works hard regardless while goku gets to look cool by kicking the enemies ass with some kind of plot or a new power up
goku fighting stance shows confidence his left hand for block and parry and his right hand in the left hand blindspot most of his fights he has a great resistance and speed superiority against his opponents
It could work for that, but have you ever actually tried to fight in such a wide stance like that? The point is that Goku frequently uses moves that are too big and telegraphed.
From my perspective, he uses a lot of Kung Fu style stances & forms (due to him practice his form in the gravity chamber)and he uses plenty of karate & taekwondo style strikes and kicks
I think Goku's main advantage is his body's ability to store and release energy. Sure, we see him eat 10-25,000 calories at a time. But he's got the most Stamina. He could go from 0 to 100 and back and anywhere inbetween, and always train harder and faster to reach another order of magnitude.
Goku vs Cell is my favorite fight in DBZ. You’re right about how he displays all of his skills and techniques against Cell. All in attempts to defeat him of course, but Gohan was watching and learning. Goku gave up and went all out. To Gohan it seemed that Goku wasn’t going all out. Gohan compared his own power to Goku’s confirming he was at a higher level than his father. To me, that fight is peak DBZ but others are very close.
Yha I noticed for a very long time knowing goku he isnt a defense type at all. But I guess it can mean just anything with being goku. Like he uses hes face to defend or wait till he sees at least a few attacks before fighting the enemy and that's why vegeta loses cause he always attacks first without analyzing the enemy's fighting abilities. So yha but also goku is a stealth type fighter so that can also be a defense type for him.
12:24 lmao i love the fact that goku w/l is being talked about also while discussing his fighting style!! not many would be bold enough to do tht esp seeing as how it counteracts the idea that hes unbeatable in anime
If you ever decide to reupload these videos I would recommend padding them out with more example footage of the martial arts you are talking about inbetween the DBZ footage to get us looking for it in the scene.
I actually appreciate Goku's high lose ratio, it makes it feel like he'll learn from those fights, he won't always be the strongest so he had to get his skill up
Huh when clicking on this Video i expected for it to be about how Goku fights in all his Forms like i know in God he fights more martial arts style while relying on the Techniques God gives while in Blue he just Goes in Something like that was explained if i recall i just wanna know how different he fights in all his forms like comparing how he fights in SSJ compared to SS2
Goku has a great and wide martial arts background. In my opinion Goku knows shaolin kung fu, goju-ryu karate, taekwondo, boxing, kickboxing, savate, muay thai, wing chun, jeet kune do, judo, jujutsu, bojutsu and pro wrestling.
JSA Gaming Have you forgotten Goku is a Saiyan & not a human? The time standards you mentioned only pertain to humans. Saiyans are a completely different species hence why goku & vegeta can master all the various styles at their age
We could even sum this up and say that his style is "human fighting style" from an intergalactic point of view, whereas Vegeta still uses his sayan fighting style
There are well done. What’s your martial arts background? I’ve often wished that DBZ had not had the energy blasts attacks and such, or at least not as much. That is one of the things I like better about DB, even though I do enjoy basically everything else better in DBZ. Haven’t seen DBZ Super yet.
@@UnifiedEntity No, maybe the repetitive key blasts but those ki beams dbz did them all the time except from in some movies even the most popular fights like Frieza vs goku and goku vs cell did that
@@TheAnimeTrainer I would argue that that IS analyzing his fighting style, or at least how he has become a more strategic fighter. Btw, your video is detail oriented AF, and it's awesome. Excellent job. 👍
I love what DBZ became but I'd love of they had kept it more martial arts oriented instead of Zenkai boosts and blowing up planets. Edit: Always thought the Goku vs Fat Buu thing was a reference to paddleballs.
my head canon as to why Goku uses less guard in Z is bc when you fight in the air with literal 360° movement you have to be ready for your opponent to zip around you from any direction edit: wider guard*
13:07 i heard cell regenerative is because of his brain, btw i heard someone say they completely deleted that scene in dragon ball z kai which is remastered of dragon ball z. Because of that
@@TheAnimeTrainer well that's from dragon ball z, but that scene was removed completely by the new remastered version call dragon ball z kai i heard, should be true since it's easy to verify.
I know vegeta hasent been around as long as goku but please do a video covering vegetas skill troughout the route. Thinking of joining moi Tai or at least something like Mr toaw where you use as least energy and movement as possible. Love your vids
A thing I've noticed is that fans regard the results of fights differently to the characters themselves. The Majin Vegeta vs Goku is a great example because the fanbase still argues over who won while both Vegeta and Goku consider it a loss on their parts. Not a draw in any sense except that neither side was victorious or felt like they won. Goku vs Kid Buu feels similar because while the fan consensus is that Goku eventually won, Goku himself probably counts it as a loss even though Kid Buu was stopped because he didn't win the actual fight. Another example is arguably Vegeta and Goku's first fight, Vegeta refers to it as his loss multiple times but knowing Goku there is no way Goku considers himself the victor, they both lost that fight in their own eyes. I guess the best way to put it is that sometimes a fight doesn't have a winner, it ends with every party taking a loss.
as Master Roshi says when he is discovered in disguise as Jackie Chun: "if those kids win this tournament they will think they are the best and thei'll become sloppy" so as Goku loses he improves
Strong strength - speed-and pure endurance was the the entirety of his turtle traning from master rochi.. Goku learned how to fight as he trained ... By fighting better then better aponants.. This was the Sayins true strength. The more they get beat the stronger they can get to the ultimate goal of unlocking their inner power we all know
Goku does actually have a pretty bad fight record, now that I think about it. He loses several times before finally getting to the point where he wins against like every opponent he doesn’t overpower. 🤔 *GASP!* Is Goku actually a bad fighter? 😱
@@camknight That and cuz he loves to drag out the fights for fun, which i sometimes find annoying. But it cant be helped since thats just his character.
Goku had a terrible win record in Dbz, the only villain he beat is Freiza. He lost to Raditz, Vegeta, Cell and Majin Buu, when did he ever overpower anybody significant?
Actually, no. He may lose, but he comes back to win. Not everyone (if we lightly forget he is a shounen protag and a Saiyan) can come back and beat their opponents especially in short time spans. Even with a year or three, his improvements and technique are massive gains. He also trains very effciently after learning he is outmatched.
Dragon Ball isn't really about technical nuance when facing an opponent, by most accounts if you are of a higher power level than someone that is unfortunately all that matters unless however you equal or reletive in power then it is technically prowess or tactics that may help influence the outcome of a fight
Thank you. Thank you for being like the only other dude on the internet who agrees Vegeta smoked Kakrot. Clown let his guard down, and lost. Thank you.
Can we do diffrent character, like krillin Tien or yamcha. I say these characters cause they don't get enough love. But I know that they do much in z or super so maybe do piccolo. Or just do a video where we just force on just the side characters.
I think you can approximate Goku style with Kyokushin Karate and Kung Fu. Kyokushin has training methods inherited by okinawan Goju Ryu,if i am not wrong they have a certain kinship in members studying both. Kung fu i say specifically for the elbows,seems very Hung Gar or Bajiquan. Both are styles associated with Wuxia heroes,very popular,and using forearms and elbows. Kung fu would also explain the capoeira elements,actually from monkey kung fu,very acrobatic,fighting from crouched position or jumping,biting scratching. Not to mention the giant monkey theme going on for sayans and their importance in asian martial art culture. The kicks seems very sport karate,at the beginning. At a certain point he and Vegeta start to use a similar kickboxing/muay thai style. It fits better on Vegeta than Goku
Goku uses kung fu, karate and muay thai ... Vegeta uses muay thai, kickboxing and boxing ... Master Roshi, Tien, Krilin and Yamcha use kug fu ... test are browlers
Very impressive. There’s not much to go on this so anybody want to see a talking point against it I’m not going to get any pushback. But honestly I don’t think Goku is bad at grappling, there are a few things on the planet we can literally out mountain when it comes to spring because they have the power to destroy multiple planets, then solar system, now universal. Now Multiverse. So loved we came across if they were able to grapple he would know how to get out of it. Just my personal opinion on the matter. Also in the world of Dragon Ball Z being too close to a pony while you have the advantage can be a disadvantage. For instants an energy blast from the hands or the head for the mouth or being able to protect it from any other portion of the body technically they have that ability to do even though we rarely seen it. To spell defeat for the person who is more of a grappler. One tiny tidbit, in GT Uub Transforms into Majuub: He is well-versed in Grassley, and something tells me he employs those techniques before he transform into a higher level mean. Because he did train & passed Goku’s test.
The fight style give people with no life a big advantage it's not like other fighting games you really have spend a lot of time to get this combos down spamming is the only way to win
Did you just say he is bad at grappling? I think you're forgetting what he did to Broly when he went SSJG. Also Raditz couldn't shake his elbow lock, yet he was stronger than Goku those times.
I just looking this Vid because i want to make a Son-Goku Charakter on UFC 4 and Look if He is more a kickboxer or boxer. I would say first more Boxing but at the and a high kickboxer with special head-movement and footwork Would you guy pick a boxer or kickboxer?
Alot of this falls under a couple of things, Toeis approach to animating and extending fights, as well as Toriyama himself choreographing the fights. Especially in the Namek Saga. I dont see it as Goku lazy. You picked a point when Ginyu rushed Goku because Vegeta left him, and Ofcourse Ginyu is strong. And when he gets his bearings , he's blocking....he's dodging....he's countering. He's not powering up. Its clear as time went on, Akira's choreography approach evolved into more dramatic and telegraphed moves to accomdate the increase in speed, power and destructability. So i believe there are holes in the logic here when talking about Gokus gaps in his fighting style. Compared to The first fight against Vegeta, the second fight is literally, a MUCH Closer gap thats nigh even. No amount of skill in his fighting ability is getting him the wiggle room to overcome Vegetas speed and power without the Kaioken.
So the behind the scenes production reasoning doesn't really matter. What matters is what actually happens in the story. I'm not saying Goku can't fight. He just grows slowly as a fighter because he relies on power. Power is what he relied on against Vegeta in the first fight. When Vegeta and Goku fight the second time they are basically the same skill level and Goku has matured more as a fighter, so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here.
@@TheAnimeTrainer I'm saying the first fight, nothing Goku had without the Kaioken was going to work against Vegeta. He was weaker and slower without it. He could "have a guard up" all he wants without it, but Vegeta was going to get by it easily. You see many moments when Goku is trying to get a grasp of where Vegeta is but simply can't and barely dodging while Vegeta is having a grand ol time. Technically he's not even relying on power, he's relying on his heightened senses and reflexes as well. You see he utilizes it to dodge and counter Vegeta accordingly multiple times. My point, he doesnt rely on power in a fight. What happens in the story is affected by production. And even that has it's own story. Akira aimed for flashier fights, so martial arts took a backseat. And that extended to EVERY fighter. Not just Goku.
I don't think that your claim that Goku doesn't rely on power holds weight when you look at the whole of his combat history. And, of course nothing Goku would do in the first fight would matter, Vegeta was literally 2.5x stronger than him. But that doesn't change the fact that he was outclassed in skill. Just because it wouldn't have helped in the end, doesn't mean he shouldn't have had a guard, parrying, and better positioning. Because he couldn't match Vegeta in skill even with Kaio-ken, he had to overdo Kaio-ken to overpower him. I see what you're saying, but I don't think you're taking all of the fights into account and, once again, the production things do make things happen in the story but then we draw logical conclusions about the characters based on what actually comes about in the story. It doesn't matter WHY it happened due to production, it just matters THAT it happened.
@@TheAnimeTrainer I'm not seeing the "skill" view. Vegeta doesnt do anything that demonstrated he had more skill. He just overwhelmed Goku with his speed. If anything his attacks. The gap was again to wide for raw skill to even be a deciding factor. How can you block, party, position yourself better when you can't track your enemy , let alone their movements? What I'm seeing is people just see power level as just raw strength. It encompasses more than that. You speak of Goku using better positioning, he literally maneuvers behind Vegeta during his Kaioken attack and attacks him from behind. Reposition + counter attack. Let's not forget the punch to the gut counter when Vegeta rushes towards. Guarding? Vegeta literally got his arms locked by Goku and had his fingers almost crushed.
I'm not saying he has no skill. I think you're misunderstanding me. And you're welcome to disagree with my assessment, but it is not without a great deal of examination and consideration of Goku as a whole martial artist and watching each fight multiple times. Vegeta has more skill because when they square up and stand in front of each other, Vegeta slips Goku's punches with minimal head movement with his hands up. Then Vegeta throws punches that hit their target because Goku has no guard to speak of. He slips Goku's kicks. As the fight progresses, he does land attacks and do technical things, but the deciding factor is not skill, it is the overwhelming force of the Kaio-ken than makes the difference. That's what I'm saying, though. I think you misunderstand me. I'm not saying Goku has NO skill or is UNskilled. I'm saying that Vegeta has the edge in skill until Goku used the Kaio-ken x 3 to overpower Vegeta. He was able to use his skills better once he bridged that gap, but Goku was not even in power with him, he was stronger than him with the KKx3. The gap in skill is not monumental, but Vegeta is better at defense and countering (front kick to Goku's chin to knock him out of KK). Like I said, you're welcome to disagree and that's fine. My interpretation is based on this fight as seen through the lens of Goku's whole fighting record up until this point. This fight is also not near as long as Goku vs. Majin Vegeta, so there is a lot less to analyze, so it makes sense that there could be more disagreement about the breakdown. In any case, thanks for your comments and discussion!
I disagree about goku being less skilled. When it comes to a fight in the ring, yes more modern styles win since they are literally developed in that environment. But for the sake of winning a death match, martial arts are a well rounded style of win however you can. The fact that some can even compete with modern sport arts in the ring is a tell of just how good those traditional movements must be to even be able to keep up under the inherit disadvantage. Goku has fought against a wider range of opponents who were all stronger than him. I’d say he is FAR more skilled. Vegeta was just so much stronger that he could easily parry goku with his speed being far greater. Once goku was able to almost equal vegeta they were trading in goku‘s favor and then Goku went x3 just to win quickly.
Whis was *SO* accurate about the whole, “Goku you let down your guard A LOT” thing in DBS. Never noticed that before. Or thought about how much he relies on his power boosting states. That said, his fighting style and powers together pretty much culminate in the Majin Buu saga to me. At least for Z. Majin Vegeta vs Goku to me is *one of* the best fights in the whole franchise. Original, Z, or Super. Who do you think is the better fighter overall, Vegeta or Goku? I know Goku tends to just have higher stats/reach new forms first either way, but in terms of fighting skill?
Storyman overall I’d say Vegeta’s fighting style is more refined, however he’s often blinded by his emotions whereas Goku is more reckless and carefree, and that’s probably why he could unlock UI
I’d say goku is the best martial artist, SPECIALLY in close combat. Vegeta usually just relies on pure power and spent all his youth depending on zenkais do become stronger. And his techniques are only about destructive power: Galick Ho, Final Flash, Big Bang attack... all of them are almost the same thing and are long range destructive attacks. Vegeta does not have any technique for hand to hand combat that I can remember. While that, Goku trained martial arts all his life to become stronger with different master that have different fighting styles and has WAY more variated techniques, such as Kienzan, Zanzouken, Taioken, Kaioken, Mafuba, instant transmition, Ultra instinct, Kamehameha, HAKAI (manga only, it is not known when he learned it, but even vegeta was surprised with that), the paralysis technique he used on Broly. He is way more of a strategical fighter. He sneaked up on freeza using his Kamehameha under water, he figured out how to retaliate Hitto’s time technique, he figured out how to dominate super sayan’s maximum capacity, he mimicked Tenshinhan and several other fighters, he was able to kick JIREN out of the arena with STRATEGY, he survived Caulifla ssj 2 with his martial arts skills while he was weakened in base form, he surrounded kid Buu with his Ki blasts in mid fight and then sneak up on him beautifully (watch kid buu vs goku ssj3 and you will see it)... I mean, Vegeta never uses ANY tactic in close combat like that, he usually just tries to outfight his foes with his strength and power. Even in the manga, Vegeta only discovered about using both super sayan god and super sayan blue in mid fight because Goku figured that out against Hitto, and in the anime it is an exclusive feat of Goku against Jispo. Vegeta is a good strategist but only when it is about war, since he quickly planned a way to kill kid Boo in seconds (revive the people of earth and use the dragon balls...) and outsmarted almost the whole Freeza’s army in Freeza Saga, specially when he hided the dragon balls so only he could know where they were. He has the mind of a military in my opinion, while goku is the more refined martial artist and tactical hand to hand fighter. It’s stated that Goku is a genius several times when it is about combat, even Vegeta admitted that. Vegeta might be better when it is about destructive power, but if he fights against stronger opponents he can’t do anything about it, while goku can at least outfight and outsmart a stronger opponent with his techniques and tactics. Believe this will change in the Manga, but we will have to wait...
I thought I wasthe only one to notice goku hardly ever wins. Most of his wins are when he's growing up in DragonBall Z, and then when he's a child again in GT.
plenty of good fights you missed, like goku vs popo/ fake goku and goku vs his grandpa but one of the greatest one from z was missing, the last fight of z vs uub, that fight is back to the roots with all the groundwork and almost no flying
Please analyze Baki next. Not much has change but it would be interesting to hear your analysis since he barely does any grappling despite being called grappler lmao
@@TheAnimeTrainer thanks man. You are doing a good analysis of their fighting styles. I always wondered. Goku in his gravity training preparing his valetudo match with freiza reminded me of shaolin 5 animals and wing chun.
piccolo is the definition of final boss being unlocked as a playable character 💀💀
Never heard such facts
He was at least a badass all the time and had one of the best developments/character dynamics ever.
@@Jack-qe5qm TFS made a good point haha, he basically raised Gohan because Goku wanted to be stubborn
@@maxnovakovics2568 he only "raised" gohan for a year
@@cardboard_hat six months, tbh, and the other six he just dumped him somewhere
Never noticed the East vs West theme in Vegeta’s and Goku’s first fight. Cool.
Indeed!
Storyman yep
So which one is which in your interpretation? I'm failing to see ...
@@jean4j_ Goku fights like a martial artist while Vegeta keeps his hands closed when fighting like a boxer.
@@TheAnimeTrainer you mentioned that Goku's grappling was not that good but it was pretty good vs Tien
Goku's fighting style seems to be heavily kick-oriented in DBZ, so I'd say he is taking a more Taekwondo-like approach.
Arnold Man you do not see Goku do a bunch of spin kicks but they are mostly very fluid like capoeira
Drizzy Drake He doesn’t utilize his entire body to power his kicks most the time so not really.
I wanna say it's a taekwondo karate hybrid
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@@akuma1257 well go on, tell us mr expert?
One thing I noticed about goku is that he loves knee and elbow strikes. Originally I thought it was muay Thai but upon research I found out it was a Chinese martial arts style called bajiquan. Plus he loves the gut punches like what he does against piccolo, nappa, frieza and jiren(in the manga) but im not sure what style it is
You know, I know I've seen that strike before, but I just can't place it. But yeah, that elbow is definitely a bajiquan elbow.
@@TheAnimeTrainer I could be wrong but it might be a kung fu uppercut strike
I always liked vegeta's fight style.... Because he actually fights and when Goku uses actual fight techniques, I like Goku's style. Until everyone dumps skill and goes for broke and it because a bland brawl.....
If I'm not mistaken Goku fighting styles part muay tai and kyokushin karate
We can't forget Bojustu & Bajiquan. Goku does have the power pole & has shown some use of it in combat. Goku has also been shown to explode towards his opponents with strikes & specially elbows
Bajiquan and bojutsu are very cool, he also uses hung ga stance too!
I like how they appropriately showed the "Son Goku of Boxing" (Manny Pacquiao) for the boxing style.
:D
From what I’ve seen vegeta fights like a martial artist too it’s just vegeta is more straight forward with his attacks and goku is more calm and goes with the flow
Which is why he’s at ultra instinct while vegeta is.... less
@@red_is_a_number4246 at least acknowledge his hard work instead of calling it “less” and plus goku is MC so it’s no surprise he’s the strongest since he’s the beloved MC (a boring one if you ask me😒)
@@ruthless1129 literally the only reason vegeta is working hard is to beat kakarot because his pride is way too high, where as goku likes fighting and protects the people he loves whatever the cost and his power is obviously gifted but he’s still put in plenty of work so personally I think he deserves more credit than vegeta
@@red_is_a_number4246 no goku says he fights because he wants to be the strongest and he also does it because he enjoys it but your not wrong about the family part but I’m just reminding you not to leave the other two reasons out to why goku fights just like you did with vegeta two other reasons which is being the strongest and protecting his friends and family and me personally I think vegeta deserves more credit than goku since he’s always getting humiliated but still works hard regardless while goku gets to look cool by kicking the enemies ass with some kind of plot or a new power up
@@ruthless1129 you win this time...
Goku's style is primarily karate blended with taekwondo with some elements of Muay thai
Yep. I broke down his style in the video.
He uses kung fu as well from his locking and stances
Wing Chun
goku fighting stance shows confidence
his left hand for block and parry
and his right hand in the left hand blindspot
most of his fights he has a great resistance and speed superiority against his opponents
It could work for that, but have you ever actually tried to fight in such a wide stance like that?
The point is that Goku frequently uses moves that are too big and telegraphed.
14:42 in my opinion, the coolest part of any fight in all of DBZ
From my perspective, he uses a lot of Kung Fu style stances & forms (due to him practice his form in the gravity chamber)and he uses plenty of karate & taekwondo style strikes and kicks
Oh, Duffy's note at the 18:22 marker. It made me chuckle. A little bittersweet right now. Thanks Duffy! RIP.
He was very funny.
I think Goku's main advantage is his body's ability to store and release energy. Sure, we see him eat 10-25,000 calories at a time. But he's got the most Stamina. He could go from 0 to 100 and back and anywhere inbetween, and always train harder and faster to reach another order of magnitude.
Goku vs Cell is my favorite fight in DBZ. You’re right about how he displays all of his skills and techniques against Cell. All in attempts to defeat him of course, but Gohan was watching and learning. Goku gave up and went all out. To Gohan it seemed that Goku wasn’t going all out. Gohan compared his own power to Goku’s confirming he was at a higher level than his father. To me, that fight is peak DBZ but others are very close.
Yha I noticed for a very long time knowing goku he isnt a defense type at all. But I guess it can mean just anything with being goku. Like he uses hes face to defend or wait till he sees at least a few attacks before fighting the enemy and that's why vegeta loses cause he always attacks first without analyzing the enemy's fighting abilities. So yha but also goku is a stealth type fighter so that can also be a defense type for him.
Nice. I love Goku so its cool to see his fights throughout DBZ explored. :)
I'm glad you enjoyed it!
12:24 lmao i love the fact that goku w/l is being talked about also while discussing his fighting style!! not many would be bold enough to do tht esp seeing as how it counteracts the idea that hes unbeatable in anime
If you ever decide to reupload these videos I would recommend padding them out with more example footage of the martial arts you are talking about inbetween the DBZ footage to get us looking for it in the scene.
If you look at the Vegeta versions, they are much more detailed.
me: *sees title*
also me: *vegeta*
There is a Vegeta one!
Man that’s awesome. We need vegeta, Bills, Whis, Freeza and many others!
i like the idea of never give. up and use your losses to improve.
I actually appreciate Goku's high lose ratio, it makes it feel like he'll learn from those fights, he won't always be the strongest so he had to get his skill up
Bro I love ur vids I see the more depth in fights now
I'm glad!!
Ever noticed that younger goku Saiyan Saga to Friza Saga Goku had a nasty body shot. The counter uppercut to the body was one of his go to's
Huh when clicking on this Video i expected for it to be about how Goku fights in all his Forms like i know in God he fights more martial arts style while relying on the Techniques God gives while in Blue he just Goes in
Something like that was explained if i recall i just wanna know how different he fights in all his forms like comparing how he fights in SSJ compared to SS2
I can't stop watching these, I can't wait to see the dragon ball super version of this
Dbs is just ass
Goku has a great and wide martial arts background. In my opinion Goku knows shaolin kung fu, goju-ryu karate, taekwondo, boxing, kickboxing, savate, muay thai, wing chun, jeet kune do, judo, jujutsu, bojutsu and pro wrestling.
Richard Flores learning all that would take decades of training
JSA Gaming Have you forgotten Goku is a Saiyan & not a human? The time standards you mentioned only pertain to humans. Saiyans are a completely different species hence why goku & vegeta can master all the various styles at their age
We could even sum this up and say that his style is "human fighting style" from an intergalactic point of view, whereas Vegeta still uses his sayan fighting style
There are well done. What’s your martial arts background?
I’ve often wished that DBZ had not had the energy blasts attacks and such, or at least not as much. That is one of the things I like better about DB, even though I do enjoy basically everything else better in DBZ. Haven’t seen DBZ Super yet.
I've been around the block lol. Boxing, Muay Thai, Shotokan Karate, Tracy Kenpo Jujitsu, BJJ
The Anime Trainer cool. I’ve done Judo, Kenjitsu, Long-Fist, Wushu, and a little Wing Chun, Muay Thai, Western Boxing, and BJJ
Dbs doesn’t have nearly as much ki blasts as z does
@@vegitodev Yes it does. It's behind Gt but way ahead of Dbz
@@UnifiedEntity No, maybe the repetitive key blasts but those ki beams dbz did them all the time except from in some movies even the most popular fights like Frieza vs goku and goku vs cell did that
You didn't mention the repeated body blows used to wear down Frieza's already inferior stamina when in his 100% form...
The original point of the video was just to analyze the evolution of Goku's Fighting Style, so I didn't get as detail oriented until later.
@@TheAnimeTrainer I would argue that that IS analyzing his fighting style, or at least how he has become a more strategic fighter. Btw, your video is detail oriented AF, and it's awesome. Excellent job. 👍
Will you being doing videos like this for Vegeta or other z fighters or anime characters as well
At least Vegeta.
I love what DBZ became but I'd love of they had kept it more martial arts oriented instead of Zenkai boosts and blowing up planets.
Edit: Always thought the Goku vs Fat Buu thing was a reference to paddleballs.
I'm sure it was something like that.
my head canon as to why Goku uses less guard in Z is bc when you fight in the air with literal 360° movement you have to be ready for your opponent to zip around you from any direction
edit: wider guard*
goku fights with skill athleticism and its best display is vs perfect cell and kid buu
Kickboxing, Karate, Wuushu Kung Fu mostly, Taekwondo, Muy Thai, and Tai Chi
That's a good breakdown!
13:07 i heard cell regenerative is because of his brain, btw i heard someone say they completely deleted that scene in dragon ball z kai which is remastered of dragon ball z. Because of that
It's his core. And honestly, who knows if he's not just lying, because they blew his head off and he was fine.
@@TheAnimeTrainer well that's from dragon ball z, but that scene was removed completely by the new remastered version call dragon ball z kai i heard, should be true since it's easy to verify.
Goku vs. Frieza is always going to be iconic .
I know vegeta hasent been around as long as goku but please do a video covering vegetas skill troughout the route. Thinking of joining moi Tai or at least something like Mr toaw where you use as least energy and movement as possible. Love your vids
Planning on it
8:33 goku wanna eat dat tail
A thing I've noticed is that fans regard the results of fights differently to the characters themselves. The Majin Vegeta vs Goku is a great example because the fanbase still argues over who won while both Vegeta and Goku consider it a loss on their parts. Not a draw in any sense except that neither side was victorious or felt like they won. Goku vs Kid Buu feels similar because while the fan consensus is that Goku eventually won, Goku himself probably counts it as a loss even though Kid Buu was stopped because he didn't win the actual fight. Another example is arguably Vegeta and Goku's first fight, Vegeta refers to it as his loss multiple times but knowing Goku there is no way Goku considers himself the victor, they both lost that fight in their own eyes. I guess the best way to put it is that sometimes a fight doesn't have a winner, it ends with every party taking a loss.
as Master Roshi says when he is discovered in disguise as Jackie Chun: "if those kids win this tournament they will think they are the best and thei'll become sloppy" so as Goku loses he improves
Do yamchas fighting style .he may not be powered up as much as others but his technique is underated..if he was stronger he'd be a bit of a problem
Hope y'all come back with some bangers, hope you guys have good luck in your lives
Make one of that explaining kenshiro style
Strong strength - speed-and pure endurance was the the entirety of his turtle traning from master rochi..
Goku learned how to fight as he trained ...
By fighting better then better aponants..
This was the Sayins true strength.
The more they get beat the stronger they can get to the ultimate goal of unlocking their inner power we all know
Even if gokus win record is bad, his overall records are better than anyone.
Goku does actually have a pretty bad fight record, now that I think about it. He loses several times before finally getting to the point where he wins against like every opponent he doesn’t overpower. 🤔 *GASP!* Is Goku actually a bad fighter? 😱
Storyman no the villains were just stronger and faster
Goku is a genius when it comes to battle. This guy just Low ranked Goku's fighting talent, but his video was amazing....at least not by much.
@@camknight That and cuz he loves to drag out the fights for fun, which i sometimes find annoying. But it cant be helped since thats just his character.
Goku had a terrible win record in Dbz, the only villain he beat is Freiza. He lost to Raditz, Vegeta, Cell and Majin Buu, when did he ever overpower anybody significant?
Actually, no. He may lose, but he comes back to win. Not everyone (if we lightly forget he is a shounen protag and a Saiyan) can come back and beat their opponents especially in short time spans. Even with a year or three, his improvements and technique are massive gains.
He also trains very effciently after learning he is outmatched.
I love how you use abridged
Really enjoyed this
I'm glad!
@@TheAnimeTrainer Excited to see all the videos and what you will present in the future
Goku's fighting style is what makes his fight entataining like with cell for me
That was a good fight.
@@TheAnimeTrainer indeed
Damn you say run goes with everything.
Don't it, though?
I like to think there is a hint of wing chun in there striking fast and going for the eyes
Love the vid
Thank you!
Can you please explain vegeta's and jiren's style to. But firstly vegeta. Plz.
He bit buu too. Classic Goku
Dragon Ball isn't really about technical nuance when facing an opponent, by most accounts if you are of a higher power level than someone that is unfortunately all that matters unless however you equal or reletive in power then it is technically prowess or tactics that may help influence the outcome of a fight
It honestly depends on the narrative at the time.
That is a very informative video
I appreciate it!
Goku inspired me to do martial arts. Still training for it tho.
That's awesome
What is your martial art style(s)?
What style are you practicing?
Man, if the Z fighters would just take a BJJ class Jiren would’ve been a dub.
Facts
12:21 where did you get the 3.5 to 6 win loss record? Goku has won way more fights than that in z. Especially if you look into the movies. That's bs.
Espectacular
Slickkkk.
Thank you. Thank you for being like the only other dude on the internet who agrees Vegeta smoked Kakrot. Clown let his guard down, and lost. Thank you.
So just like in original goku is basically a village bump who just loves to brawl
Can we do diffrent character, like krillin Tien or yamcha. I say these characters cause they don't get enough love. But I know that they do much in z or super so maybe do piccolo. Or just do a video where we just force on just the side characters.
I've got some Krillin and Yamcha workouts on the blog
@@TheAnimeTrainer 👌
10:11 dude what?
It's obviously been a bit more than 5 minutes can't you tell the time?
I think you can approximate Goku style with Kyokushin Karate and Kung Fu. Kyokushin has training methods inherited by okinawan Goju Ryu,if i am not wrong they have a certain kinship in members studying both. Kung fu i say specifically for the elbows,seems very Hung Gar or Bajiquan. Both are styles associated with Wuxia heroes,very popular,and using forearms and elbows.
Kung fu would also explain the capoeira elements,actually from monkey kung fu,very acrobatic,fighting from crouched position or jumping,biting scratching. Not to mention the giant monkey theme going on for sayans and their importance in asian martial art culture.
The kicks seems very sport karate,at the beginning. At a certain point he and Vegeta start to use a similar kickboxing/muay thai style. It fits better on Vegeta than Goku
Goku uses kung fu, karate and muay thai ... Vegeta uses muay thai, kickboxing and boxing ... Master Roshi, Tien, Krilin and Yamcha use kug fu ... test are browlers
Very impressive. There’s not much to go on this so anybody want to see a talking point against it I’m not going to get any pushback. But honestly I don’t think Goku is bad at grappling, there are a few things on the planet we can literally out mountain when it comes to spring because they have the power to destroy multiple planets, then solar system, now universal. Now Multiverse. So loved we came across if they were able to grapple he would know how to get out of it. Just my personal opinion on the matter. Also in the world of Dragon Ball Z being too close to a pony while you have the advantage can be a disadvantage. For instants an energy blast from the hands or the head for the mouth or being able to protect it from any other portion of the body technically they have that ability to do even though we rarely seen it. To spell defeat for the person who is more of a grappler. One tiny tidbit, in GT Uub Transforms into Majuub: He is well-versed in Grassley, and something tells me he employs those techniques before he transform into a higher level mean. Because he did train & passed Goku’s test.
i think you are wrong the last 2 fights are in Dragon Ball Z: Battle of Gods and in Dragon Ball Z: Fukkatsu no F
I wasn't doing the movies. I took the series as they were presented in the anime release.
The fight style give people with no life a big advantage it's not like other fighting games you really have spend a lot of time to get this combos down spamming is the only way to win
Did you just say he is bad at grappling?
I think you're forgetting what he did to Broly when he went SSJG. Also Raditz couldn't shake his elbow lock, yet he was stronger than Goku those times.
1 Full Nelson and 1 Ippon Seoi Nage do not make a good grappler. He has a very small skillset.
Also, Raditz was injured. He even says that.
He also has the dragon throw.
Okay what about mastered UI Goku vs Aang with or without the avater state
Goku washes.
it’s over 9000!
What? 9000?!
So Goku mainly just throws a bunch of fluid strikes with some blocks and uses handstands and shit so he doesn’t fall over
I just looking this Vid because i want to make a Son-Goku Charakter on UFC 4 and Look if He is more a kickboxer or boxer. I would say first more Boxing but at the and a high kickboxer with special head-movement and footwork
Would you guy pick a boxer or kickboxer?
Goku is definitely more kickboxing than boxing
Alot of this falls under a couple of things, Toeis approach to animating and extending fights, as well as Toriyama himself choreographing the fights. Especially in the Namek Saga. I dont see it as Goku lazy.
You picked a point when Ginyu rushed Goku because Vegeta left him, and Ofcourse Ginyu is strong. And when he gets his bearings , he's blocking....he's dodging....he's countering. He's not powering up. Its clear as time went on, Akira's choreography approach evolved into more dramatic and telegraphed moves to accomdate the increase in speed, power and destructability.
So i believe there are holes in the logic here when talking about Gokus gaps in his fighting style. Compared to The first fight against Vegeta, the second fight is literally, a MUCH Closer gap thats nigh even. No amount of skill in his fighting ability is getting him the wiggle room to overcome Vegetas speed and power without the Kaioken.
So the behind the scenes production reasoning doesn't really matter. What matters is what actually happens in the story.
I'm not saying Goku can't fight. He just grows slowly as a fighter because he relies on power.
Power is what he relied on against Vegeta in the first fight. When Vegeta and Goku fight the second time they are basically the same skill level and Goku has matured more as a fighter, so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here.
@@TheAnimeTrainer I'm saying the first fight, nothing Goku had without the Kaioken was going to work against Vegeta. He was weaker and slower without it. He could "have a guard up" all he wants without it, but Vegeta was going to get by it easily.
You see many moments when Goku is trying to get a grasp of where Vegeta is but simply can't and barely dodging while Vegeta is having a grand ol time. Technically he's not even relying on power, he's relying on his heightened senses and reflexes as well. You see he utilizes it to dodge and counter Vegeta accordingly multiple times.
My point, he doesnt rely on power in a fight. What happens in the story is affected by production. And even that has it's own story. Akira aimed for flashier fights, so martial arts took a backseat. And that extended to EVERY fighter. Not just Goku.
I don't think that your claim that Goku doesn't rely on power holds weight when you look at the whole of his combat history.
And, of course nothing Goku would do in the first fight would matter, Vegeta was literally 2.5x stronger than him. But that doesn't change the fact that he was outclassed in skill. Just because it wouldn't have helped in the end, doesn't mean he shouldn't have had a guard, parrying, and better positioning.
Because he couldn't match Vegeta in skill even with Kaio-ken, he had to overdo Kaio-ken to overpower him.
I see what you're saying, but I don't think you're taking all of the fights into account and, once again, the production things do make things happen in the story but then we draw logical conclusions about the characters based on what actually comes about in the story. It doesn't matter WHY it happened due to production, it just matters THAT it happened.
@@TheAnimeTrainer I'm not seeing the "skill" view. Vegeta doesnt do anything that demonstrated he had more skill. He just overwhelmed Goku with his speed. If anything his attacks. The gap was again to wide for raw skill to even be a deciding factor.
How can you block, party, position yourself better when you can't track your enemy , let alone their movements? What I'm seeing is people just see power level as just raw strength. It encompasses more than that. You speak of Goku using better positioning, he literally maneuvers behind Vegeta during his Kaioken attack and attacks him from behind. Reposition + counter attack. Let's not forget the punch to the gut counter when Vegeta rushes towards. Guarding? Vegeta literally got his arms locked by Goku and had his fingers almost crushed.
I'm not saying he has no skill. I think you're misunderstanding me.
And you're welcome to disagree with my assessment, but it is not without a great deal of examination and consideration of Goku as a whole martial artist and watching each fight multiple times.
Vegeta has more skill because when they square up and stand in front of each other, Vegeta slips Goku's punches with minimal head movement with his hands up. Then Vegeta throws punches that hit their target because Goku has no guard to speak of. He slips Goku's kicks.
As the fight progresses, he does land attacks and do technical things, but the deciding factor is not skill, it is the overwhelming force of the Kaio-ken than makes the difference.
That's what I'm saying, though. I think you misunderstand me. I'm not saying Goku has NO skill or is UNskilled. I'm saying that Vegeta has the edge in skill until Goku used the Kaio-ken x 3 to overpower Vegeta. He was able to use his skills better once he bridged that gap, but Goku was not even in power with him, he was stronger than him with the KKx3.
The gap in skill is not monumental, but Vegeta is better at defense and countering (front kick to Goku's chin to knock him out of KK).
Like I said, you're welcome to disagree and that's fine. My interpretation is based on this fight as seen through the lens of Goku's whole fighting record up until this point. This fight is also not near as long as Goku vs. Majin Vegeta, so there is a lot less to analyze, so it makes sense that there could be more disagreement about the breakdown.
In any case, thanks for your comments and discussion!
Now imagine Goku training in Dagestan
Lol
He does both karate Muay Thai and American kickboxing
Goku art is based on traditional chinese martial arts he is heavily inspired by jackie chan being toriyama was a huge chan fan
I disagree about goku being less skilled. When it comes to a fight in the ring, yes more modern styles win since they are literally developed in that environment. But for the sake of winning a death match, martial arts are a well rounded style of win however you can. The fact that some can even compete with modern sport arts in the ring is a tell of just how good those traditional movements must be to even be able to keep up under the inherit disadvantage. Goku has fought against a wider range of opponents who were all stronger than him. I’d say he is FAR more skilled. Vegeta was just so much stronger that he could easily parry goku with his speed being far greater. Once goku was able to almost equal vegeta they were trading in goku‘s favor and then Goku went x3 just to win quickly.
Can you analize vegeta plssss
Goku's fighting style is Kyokushin/Ashihara/Enshin Karate.
It is many things depending on what era Goku we are talking about.
Whis was *SO* accurate about the whole, “Goku you let down your guard A LOT” thing in DBS. Never noticed that before. Or thought about how much he relies on his power boosting states. That said, his fighting style and powers together pretty much culminate in the Majin Buu saga to me. At least for Z. Majin Vegeta vs Goku to me is *one of* the best fights in the whole franchise. Original, Z, or Super. Who do you think is the better fighter overall, Vegeta or Goku? I know Goku tends to just have higher stats/reach new forms first either way, but in terms of fighting skill?
Vegeta is the better fighter, in my opinion.
Storyman overall I’d say Vegeta’s fighting style is more refined, however he’s often blinded by his emotions whereas Goku is more reckless and carefree, and that’s probably why he could unlock UI
I’d say goku is the best martial artist, SPECIALLY in close combat. Vegeta usually just relies on pure power and spent all his youth depending on zenkais do become stronger. And his techniques are only about destructive power: Galick Ho, Final Flash, Big Bang attack... all of them are almost the same thing and are long range destructive attacks. Vegeta does not have any technique for hand to hand combat that I can remember. While that, Goku trained martial arts all his life to become stronger with different master that have different fighting styles and has WAY more variated techniques, such as Kienzan, Zanzouken, Taioken, Kaioken, Mafuba, instant transmition, Ultra instinct, Kamehameha, HAKAI (manga only, it is not known when he learned it, but even vegeta was surprised with that), the paralysis technique he used on Broly. He is way more of a strategical fighter. He sneaked up on freeza using his Kamehameha under water, he figured out how to retaliate Hitto’s time technique, he figured out how to dominate super sayan’s maximum capacity, he mimicked Tenshinhan and several other fighters, he was able to kick JIREN out of the arena with STRATEGY, he survived Caulifla ssj 2 with his martial arts skills while he was weakened in base form, he surrounded kid Buu with his Ki blasts in mid fight and then sneak up on him beautifully (watch kid buu vs goku ssj3 and you will see it)... I mean, Vegeta never uses ANY tactic in close combat like that, he usually just tries to outfight his foes with his strength and power. Even in the manga, Vegeta only discovered about using both super sayan god and super sayan blue in mid fight because Goku figured that out against Hitto, and in the anime it is an exclusive feat of Goku against Jispo. Vegeta is a good strategist but only when it is about war, since he quickly planned a way to kill kid Boo in seconds (revive the people of earth and use the dragon balls...) and outsmarted almost the whole Freeza’s army in Freeza Saga, specially when he hided the dragon balls so only he could know where they were. He has the mind of a military in my opinion, while goku is the more refined martial artist and tactical hand to hand fighter. It’s stated that Goku is a genius several times when it is about combat, even Vegeta admitted that. Vegeta might be better when it is about destructive power, but if he fights against stronger opponents he can’t do anything about it, while goku can at least outfight and outsmart a stronger opponent with his techniques and tactics. Believe this will change in the Manga, but we will have to wait...
My favourite will always be Goku Vs Broly
It's a great fight.
Couldn't find any clips from kai?
I just went with Z for consistency.
I thought I wasthe only one to notice goku hardly ever wins.
Most of his wins are when he's growing up in DragonBall Z, and then when he's a child again in GT.
a-lot of the way he fights is due to the fact they can fly
I'm sure that plays a role.
plenty of good fights you missed, like goku vs popo/ fake goku and goku vs his grandpa but one of the greatest one from z was missing, the last fight of z vs uub, that fight is back to the roots with all the groundwork and almost no flying
Saving that for when Goku fights Uub in Super. Or I'll throw it in after Super is over.
Please analyze Baki next. Not much has change but it would be interesting to hear your analysis since he barely does any grappling despite being called grappler lmao
Baki's style has certainly evolved with time. But, yes, he doesn't grapple nearly as much as the name of the series would indicate.
The Anime Trainer
Baki the striker
Plot Twist ssj 3 doesn't waste stamina the Kamehameha does It lol
I love Goku vs. Majin Vegeta
It is very good
Napa can never be a super Saiyan because he doesn't have hairs 😁😁
5:00 could’ve been predicted by anyone trust me ik
17:35
Vegeta more skilled in the first fight? Nah, just stronger and faster without the Kaioken.
In Dragon Ball GT he puts 17 in a rear naked choke.
I may do GT later
@@TheAnimeTrainer thanks man. You are doing a good analysis of their fighting styles. I always wondered. Goku in his gravity training preparing his valetudo match with freiza reminded me of shaolin 5 animals and wing chun.
I can see some kung fu in his style, definitely
what happened to UUB?
Not really much to talk about during that fight. I figure I'll wait until Super gets to that point.
The Anime Trainer I see makes sense dope reviews non the less I was just like wait you know lol. Can’t wait to see what u do next
Pretty please!
why does goku have no guard in dbz
He is largely focused on attacking. He does guard some, especially later.
@@TheAnimeTrainer makes sense