Raw steel is 🔥! Logan, you’ve been killing the edits all year - your soundtracks have been perfect! I have to ask, which music service do you subscribe to so you can use all these great songs? Cheers boys.
Good to see you back between the -i guess- tape (?)! I am really looking forward to the first video about the ride quality of the bike with steel frontend🙂!!!! Frothin dude 🎉 Have a great time and thx for your work guys👊🏼
Damn! Every single edit is a banger! How do you get the ok to use all this killer music?! Pharcyde? Love the edits love the welds! Can’t wait until the next video!
That was cool of Intense. Well done team! Oh, and, who's going to make the titanium front end? And would you consider something other than carbon for the rear? Steel or Ti?
That's a good question. I know a local frame builder who used to do both steel and Ti and has dropped steel as an option - mainly due to the cost. Simply put, besides the material costs, he can charge a lot more for a Ti frame and the labor for welding Ti isn't that much more. That said, for a DH bike, I'm not sure the weight savings would be worth the considerable cost increase.
@@ianfurqueron5850 Ti is way harder on cutting tools than the most air-hardened CrMo alloys, and when welding it the joints have to be interior purged/flushed, usually with Argon gas. It's more difficult to work with compared to any CrMo. But true, those who clamor for Ti frames usually don't mind paying a lot of money for them. Ti is way harder to tune ride quality. Lengthwise, Ti tubes tend toward whippiness. When you thicken the walls to prevent the whip, the tube gets heavier. Soon it's not much lighter than CrMo. And then you factor in the stuff I mentioned above.
@@seanoneil277 I know. Added tool costs is part of the "considerable cost increase" bit. The builder I know uses custom butted tubing for his frames. Despite the incredible cost, he still has over a year-long back log. Some folks just want Ti and have the money to pay for it. But I agree, few if any benefits for a DH bike. I do hope this frame goes into production. I could be convinced to buy another DH bike (that I really don't need...).
@@ianfurqueron5850 Some Ti builders, like Jeff Jones, are very experienced with Ti tubing and maximizing its odd mix of traits. A well built Ti frame rides well. But a poorly built one (there were lots of them available in the 90s and 00s) is like a too-heavy and too-whippy steel frame at many times the cost. I went to framebuilding school 20 yrs ago at UBI. We were focused on CrMo, but just to get a sense of the relative difficulty of working with Ti, we all mitered some Ti tubes. The hole saws that cut through CrMo nicely and cleanly barely made scratches in the Ti. Their cutting edges quickly dulled under Ti's hardness. Have to use a much nicer hole saw at a much higher cost. And that's just hole saw heads. Files are likewise. It also resists being bent and staying bent, so it's harder to shape into nice curves. That's why Jeff Jones's bikes are so unique. And so expensive. I've owned & ridden nice-ish Ti hardtail (Airborne's best frame Lucky Strike circa 1999-2000) which impressed me, and I've had several nice CrMo frames, one of which really had the magical springy & damp qualities of a well done steel frame. After riding those and other folks' Ti framed hardtails, I would not ever buy a Ti frame other than for its materials uniqueness or aesthetics. I wouldn't because it supposedly rides much better than good steel -- because really it doesn't.
I feel like his career racing is done .....at world Champs the fastest female beat his Time ..he has fallen from top 20 maybe top 30 to like top 60 or 70 place since he started making this bike ..go back to a real team this new bike has ruined neko racing times
simmer down ms peifer. ive been passed by world champ dh chicks at the bike parks on my bad days too after coming back from a injury. the girls can be within 30 seconds usually, and a few bad line choices and a couple mistakes and you can be way off pace.
Vali ran a 4:58.242, Neko ran a 4:47.008 The women also had a dryer track compared to the men. Also this is Neko's first international race, 3rd race overall, since he broke his pelvis in March. Give the guy some credit for being back on a bike this soon after a pretty serious injury. The pace will return.
@@kolt4d559 Also, how much has Neko focused on riding & racing, vs being injured & recovering, or working on the frames? Can't be at your peak if your attention and energies are diverted elsewhere. I think his juggling act is going pretty well.
I feel like I just saw him race worlds after not walking for 90 days only recently. I also feel like I'm watching a guy and his brother run every aspect of a bike design, build, test, race, and race program while documenting the whole thing for us to enjoy, respect, or offer uneducated opinion on.
Steel is REAL. Love to see it Neko! 🤘
pay him more.
Been following the series since the start, really cool to see it in person at the Cotic stand! 👍
Prettiest bike at Worlds Neko (and there were lots of pretty bikes)!😍
Music choice Is so good throughout this whole series
Great to see you back racing Neko!! Logan crushing the videos. Keep it up Gents
I like the Independent approach to your team. Good luck and keep on keeping on👍
So good to see you back between the tape!!!
Beauty of a race machine.
Super sick intense hooked you guy's up with tent space USA SEE YOU IN SNOWSHOE 🤘🤘
That soundtrack though 💗
These videos just keep getting better and better.
Raw steel is 🔥! Logan, you’ve been killing the edits all year - your soundtracks have been perfect! I have to ask, which music service do you subscribe to so you can use all these great songs? Cheers boys.
Beautiful looking bike.
Logan!! Crushing it on the Edits man.
The steel frame looks so good. Keep the videos coming.
Your bowling shoes look great 😁
Thanks for the video Neko 👍
Great to see Neko back riding….the bike is incredible
The bike looks gorgeous and super smooth. Just need some of that secret Specialized tech to make it even smoother!
Love this series and that steel frame is sick!
Good to see you back between the -i guess- tape (?)! I am really looking forward to the first video about the ride quality of the bike with steel frontend🙂!!!! Frothin dude 🎉
Have a great time and thx for your work guys👊🏼
You can be proud of your project. The bike looks amazing.
Happy that you are back racing again.
Buen trabajo. Saludos desde España
That's a great comeback after being hurt and out for so long. I'm sure that track was torture physically!
congrats Neko and Cy. Gorgeous machine.
seth brought me and i subscribed!
those welds are beautiful
Awesome to you're racing again and that you're rolling on novatec hubs, did i see that right ?
Those welds are sick!!! Great vid
Logan is killing it! I have so many questions for him
siiiiick
So cool!
How long does it take to make those bikes? It’s a very nice looking bike. Good job man and good luck!
Damn! Every single edit is a banger! How do you get the ok to use all this killer music?! Pharcyde? Love the edits love the welds! Can’t wait until the next video!
was wondering this too, the copyright claim emails would be coming in HOT!
Love the throwback sound track. Is it from The Circus?
Hell yeh neko
We need a Titanium frame!!
Nice
I just saw u at kanuga
Yeah buddy
where's Asa?
But yu didn't tells us how the new steel frame felt on this "rough" track? PS. Music on point as per usual..
What steel are you currently using? No need to bother with Ti.
Please, try titanium!
That was cool of Intense. Well done team!
Oh, and, who's going to make the titanium front end? And would you consider something other than carbon for the rear? Steel or Ti?
That's a good question. I know a local frame builder who used to do both steel and Ti and has dropped steel as an option - mainly due to the cost. Simply put, besides the material costs, he can charge a lot more for a Ti frame and the labor for welding Ti isn't that much more. That said, for a DH bike, I'm not sure the weight savings would be worth the considerable cost increase.
So full steel it is.@@ianfurqueron5850
@@ianfurqueron5850 Ti is way harder on cutting tools than the most air-hardened CrMo alloys, and when welding it the joints have to be interior purged/flushed, usually with Argon gas. It's more difficult to work with compared to any CrMo. But true, those who clamor for Ti frames usually don't mind paying a lot of money for them.
Ti is way harder to tune ride quality. Lengthwise, Ti tubes tend toward whippiness. When you thicken the walls to prevent the whip, the tube gets heavier. Soon it's not much lighter than CrMo. And then you factor in the stuff I mentioned above.
@@seanoneil277 I know. Added tool costs is part of the "considerable cost increase" bit. The builder I know uses custom butted tubing for his frames. Despite the incredible cost, he still has over a year-long back log. Some folks just want Ti and have the money to pay for it.
But I agree, few if any benefits for a DH bike.
I do hope this frame goes into production. I could be convinced to buy another DH bike (that I really don't need...).
@@ianfurqueron5850 Some Ti builders, like Jeff Jones, are very experienced with Ti tubing and maximizing its odd mix of traits. A well built Ti frame rides well. But a poorly built one (there were lots of them available in the 90s and 00s) is like a too-heavy and too-whippy steel frame at many times the cost.
I went to framebuilding school 20 yrs ago at UBI. We were focused on CrMo, but just to get a sense of the relative difficulty of working with Ti, we all mitered some Ti tubes. The hole saws that cut through CrMo nicely and cleanly barely made scratches in the Ti. Their cutting edges quickly dulled under Ti's hardness. Have to use a much nicer hole saw at a much higher cost. And that's just hole saw heads. Files are likewise. It also resists being bent and staying bent, so it's harder to shape into nice curves. That's why Jeff Jones's bikes are so unique. And so expensive.
I've owned & ridden nice-ish Ti hardtail (Airborne's best frame Lucky Strike circa 1999-2000) which impressed me, and I've had several nice CrMo frames, one of which really had the magical springy & damp qualities of a well done steel frame. After riding those and other folks' Ti framed hardtails, I would not ever buy a Ti frame other than for its materials uniqueness or aesthetics. I wouldn't because it supposedly rides much better than good steel -- because really it doesn't.
Ya dude.
I feel like his career racing is done .....at world Champs the fastest female beat his Time ..he has fallen from top 20 maybe top 30 to like top 60 or 70 place since he started making this bike ..go back to a real team this new bike has ruined neko racing times
simmer down ms peifer. ive been passed by world champ dh chicks at the bike parks on my bad days too after coming back from a injury. the girls can be within 30 seconds usually, and a few bad line choices and a couple mistakes and you can be way off pace.
Vali ran a 4:58.242, Neko ran a 4:47.008
The women also had a dryer track compared to the men.
Also this is Neko's first international race, 3rd race overall, since he broke his pelvis in March. Give the guy some credit for being back on a bike this soon after a pretty serious injury. The pace will return.
@@kolt4d559 Also, how much has Neko focused on riding & racing, vs being injured & recovering, or working on the frames? Can't be at your peak if your attention and energies are diverted elsewhere. I think his juggling act is going pretty well.
I feel like I just saw him race worlds after not walking for 90 days only recently. I also feel like I'm watching a guy and his brother run every aspect of a bike design, build, test, race, and race program while documenting the whole thing for us to enjoy, respect, or offer uneducated opinion on.