Guys I have this crazy idea, what if, instead of getting 3/5 tigers, we made a deck where we get some sort of stone contructs, "gem golem" I will call it, that just keeps getting stronger and stronger? Sounds dumb I know, but maybe blizzard will be dumb enough to print it.
Yeah yeah, gem elephants sound cool, but what about a spell that summons these gem golems, AND you can get the spell back, so you can make the golems more stronger, and never fatigue! Haha, but thats so irrealistic that it will never happen.
Woah there buddy! That would just make it completely impossible for the already struggling control decks to ever be viabe in that meta, now would it not? Oh boy, reminds me of a crazy dream I had one day, where they made a class so overpowered, their best deck only needed 2 cards and had ~50 burst damage out of nowhere also completely countering slow and control decks! Haha, that would be funny if they did these, even though they said multiple times they wanted to slow down the meta...
What's funny is even if the warlock had played out all the seals, you can just trade your board of tigers into the 10/10 to shuffle them back into the deck, and then reload with Ixlid->Tigers to refill your deck, and you _still_ win in fatigue.
and the bears are commanded by silver vanguards, it's like an entire military force, and the leader is a giant tentacle monster that eats souls. you can't beat that, Malfurion is already the superman of the warcraft world, he's unstoppable with and army like that.
not entirely, it is slightly faster especially with oakheart. and considering this doesn't get wrecked by geist... it's overall still not as good as jade in late game IF your opponent does not run geist but it has potential.
I'm not a huge fan of firebat's list here but I've seen similar lists running the same gameplan with the infinite tigers but they also run a ton of taunts and Hadronox. And that list is better than Jade Druid in this current meta in my opinion because it's better vs aggro.
Firebat's editor has to be one of my absolute favorites. That first clip insert with the little girl had me laughing so hard i almost cried. A+ sir. Bravo.
Firebat kinda sounds like someone who has survived months of torture and after long therapy has learned to be a normal functioning human, only his ability to feel happiness is severley dampened
From what I've heared everyone thought that it would either be broken in a value metagame, or just not played in an aggro metagame. Seems the meta actually slowed down enough for it to be closer to the first option, even though it's on neither end of that scale.
Deathrattle Druid... Reminds me of a friend when he started playing WoW and his conclusion: "Huh, you can't pick Druid when you play as Undead". But hell, we have aggro Priests now, so why the fuck not.
With Jade Druid leaving standard and the druid cards revealed so far being... sub par, I think Tigers Commanded by Bears Druid could be a real thing next month!!
Depends on pulls and dust, plus what you already have in your collection. The answer is usually jade druid or aggro hunter though, those can both be really cheap decks. A bit off-meta but if you already have the hero card you can make a really solid midrange hunter, commons like Dire Mole and Plated Beetle provide reasonable Razormaw targets and some of the new class cards like Flanking Strike and Wandering Monster help the archetype quite a bit. Just make a good cheap beast hunter curve, put in the best removal you have and let the hero be all the top-end you need. Inexpensive, interesting to play and not done to death yet.
without the tigers you have to cut the cheese. get rid of umbra, cube, silver vanguard, ixlid and nzoth. just keep oaken summon, guild recruiter, and grizzled guardian and 3/4 drops like ironwoodgolem, greedysprite, tar creeper, crypt lord, and finishers like lotus/roar/path and bonemare
I was seriously hyped for this xpac but I don't have enough stuff to get new packs or craft the cool cards. Most of the good or fun cards of KnC are either epics or legendaries (weapons, corridor creeper and all of the other shit). Meta has gotten much more aids than I expected, recruit with the right deckbuilding is almost as cancer as special summons in YuGiOh. So many decks I've seen so far on ladder were either zoo/pure aggro with corridor creeper, captain-patches combo, bonemare and cobalt guardian or disgustingly good combo decks. I got roflstomped yesterday by cubelock and it wasn't fun at all. tl;dr: I hate this meta already and will probably quit HS now. Can't keep up with that many xpacs without spending serious cash. Well atleast dungeon runs were an absolute blast. So, cheers to that one mode Blizz.
Frigeos I agree. HS is slowly increasing its cost, expansion by expansion. 'Wanna have fun? Buy it lol'. If you're a F2P, you have to skip 1 entire xpac so you can buy a decent amount of pacs on the next one. Also your Yugioh comparison is really important. The gameplay might scarely increase speed and action, which could potentially be a huge problem. Ygo nowadays is decided by who wins the coin flip, it's total bull. Tho, I'm not quitting yet. Took me 3 years and a lot of luck to reach my current state and honestly all I need are my off-meta WarLock decks to get something done.
lmao I'm not willing to pay that much cash for some fucking Bytes and pixels. I'd rather have physical cards in my hands than stare at pixels I paid for with my own cash.
Frigeos I see your point about spending money for actual objects, but let’s be real, a decent deck in magic will run you atleast 300 dollars likely a lot more. HS remains hella cheaper than that. That said I agree with the meta being cancer, but it is cancer at every new release, we need to wait a little bit
The cancerous meta is one point. The other point is, that most of the good cards of KnC have epic or higher quality. Even good cards of earlier xpacs (like Fandral, N'Zoth and so on) are basically essential for staying somewhat relative. I remember that when Mean Streets (or some xpac before that) launched I had to DE most of my adventure legendaries to keep playing the game as F2P. With the addition of DKs in Frozen Throne it screwed me so hard. They are in almost every good deck. Just look at Anduin, that fuck is in every priest deck. Or Gul'Dan is in most warlock decks. Same goes for Jaina and Malfurion. But you still can't win games just with the DKs because you need to build a good deck around them most of the time. And then we're back at my earlier point, which is that some of the most important cards are epic or higher. (like I said, most DKs, then Ultimate Infestation is so broken that it basically HAS to be in a druid deck so it stays relevant) And that is the problem which I am facing as a F2P person. I know that that problem exists in every Card Game, but I never really got into competitive TCGs so it never hit me so hard like HS did. Also, sorry for the whole rant, I just had to blast out my frustration somewhere. :D BTW: Nice vid Firebat. xD
what I dont understand, is why you would EVER play astral tiger if you have jades. Jades are just better in every possible way, you only need one idol, and its not weak to the current meta powerhouse, silences
Another expansion and another OP druid deck. The only way to win against it is to have 4 silences, for the 2 regular tigers and the 2 from nzoth. Is crazy
I"ve played this deck myself. This deck is definitely fun as all hell, but no where near op. Firebat even said it himself this game. You keep making more tigers, but what do the tigers accomplish? You can't look at just one good game and call op.
Yeah, the only way to beat it is to silence all the tigers! Or just step past the vanilla 3/5s and kill the druid behind them with your own minions. Or just ignore the board entirely and blow them up from your hand. But mainly just silence, for reasons.
"You don't mess with tigers commanded by bears" may be my favorite quote of 2017.
Guys I have this crazy idea, what if, instead of getting 3/5 tigers, we made a deck where we get some sort of stone contructs, "gem golem" I will call it, that just keeps getting stronger and stronger? Sounds dumb I know, but maybe blizzard will be dumb enough to print it.
bayes yoyoyo Oh yeah, and they could give druid a card that fills their deck with gem golems for only one mana! Crazy right!?
Funyarinpa Haha lets not get too ahead of ourselves now. Lets keep it realistic.
Yeah, and devs definitely OUGHT to add a gem elephant cuz it's dope.
Yeah yeah, gem elephants sound cool, but what about a spell that summons these gem golems, AND you can get the spell back, so you can make the golems more stronger, and never fatigue! Haha, but thats so irrealistic that it will never happen.
Woah there buddy! That would just make it completely impossible for the already struggling control decks to ever be viabe in that meta, now would it not? Oh boy, reminds me of a crazy dream I had one day, where they made a class so overpowered, their best deck only needed 2 cards and had ~50 burst damage out of nowhere also completely countering slow and control decks! Haha, that would be funny if they did these, even though they said multiple times they wanted to slow down the meta...
What's funny is even if the warlock had played out all the seals, you can just trade your board of tigers into the 10/10 to shuffle them back into the deck, and then reload with Ixlid->Tigers to refill your deck, and you _still_ win in fatigue.
All you need now is to get some lions in the deck! Lions and Tigers and Bears OH MY!
Elise into pack into Jeweled Macaw, easy Highmane every time.*
*results may vary if not a streamer in a highlight video.
I NOW SUMMON AN EVEN EQUALLY AS LARGE TIGER
Not only are there tigers and bears, but also seals
Oh my!
Nobody messes with tigers commanded by bears
Captain Nut Waxer just makes sense
Oh my
Let me get BEARSHARK on the case!
and the bears are commanded by silver vanguards, it's like an entire military force, and the leader is a giant tentacle monster that eats souls. you can't beat that, Malfurion is already the superman of the warcraft world, he's unstoppable with and army like that.
Nice account pic.
This is like a way worse jade druid in every way, i love it
Well jade druid isn't a great deck right now either
not entirely, it is slightly faster especially with oakheart. and considering this doesn't get wrecked by geist... it's overall still not as good as jade in late game IF your opponent does not run geist but it has potential.
I'm not a huge fan of firebat's list here but I've seen similar lists running the same gameplan with the infinite tigers but they also run a ton of taunts and Hadronox. And that list is better than Jade Druid in this current meta in my opinion because it's better vs aggro.
it counters rin bcuz there are no cards in ur deck
with rin + geist you can prevent infinite jades
That Kung Pow reference! I applaud you, sir! You are a man of fine taste!
Venumadhav Rayasam he was my father my whole life whew woah whew
Firebat summoned 16 tigers that game.
On a side note, I believe the astral tiger does not have the beast tag, which I find really disheartening
Well since it’s an astral thing, it’s more of an idea of a tiger than a real one. Or something.
They're like 3D printed tigers that can move because magic, so not real tigers.
arfus has a beast tag
arfus is undead, not conjured.
Yeah think of it more as an elemental. But made up of stars/space stuff.
Firebat's editor has to be one of my absolute favorites. That first clip insert with the little girl had me laughing so hard i almost cried. A+ sir. Bravo.
I feel like the Tigers would be way better at what they were designed for if they were 5/3s
It would be an stronger Sherazin that you can run 2 copies of and multiply. Dope!
Which is why they aren't 5/3s. They obviously didn't want to give druid yet another insanely overpowered mechanic in yet another expansion in a row.
Priests, on the other hand, are still getting op cards because blizzard has felt sorry for them ever since the purify controversy.
Tavbow yea they would be better. And then we'd have another quest rogue on our hands but better
Firebat kinda sounds like someone who has survived months of torture and after long therapy has learned to be a normal functioning human, only his ability to feel happiness is severley dampened
2:08 "Punch first" its like she knows she is gonna get cubed, and lets you know to attack first. haha :P
In case people were wondering where the "Tiger, tiger, tiger." scene was from, it's called 'Kung Pow! Enter the Fist'.
"You don't mess with tigers commanded by bears" Firebat 2017
Thumbs up for the Kung Pow reference alone. Great match to watch.
HOLY SHIT! KUNG-POW REFERENCE!! BEST...EDITOR...EVAR!!! 6:19
That kung pow tiger reference had me dying
Drink shot of vodka every time Firebat says '' Tigers '' in this video
I'm really surprised how useful the cube is turning out to be.
I think people expected it to be good, but not as meta-defining as it has been
From what I've heared everyone thought that it would either be broken in a value metagame, or just not played in an aggro metagame. Seems the meta actually slowed down enough for it to be closer to the first option, even though it's on neither end of that scale.
I mean I didn't think it was gonna be BAD. I didn't see all of the wacky combos coming though.
Until the silence meta happens. People are already running two silences against voidlords.
really? your the only one
editor do you always mask the "thing" on top of the decklist yourself?
DEAR EDITOR, I LOVE YOU FOR THE KUNG POW EDIT
8.50 litterally what that warlock was thinking XD
Tried out this deck just now, and even though I don't have all the cards it's pretty fun! Thx for sharing.
Those graphics above the deck list are getting better and better. It’s a small thing to add to the videos, but I fucking love them
Was expecting the kung pow joke was not disappointed
This game was against Astronomical odds
Kung Pow reference! Ed Itor is truly divine!
Tigers and tigers and bears! Oh my!
Yeah, no one want to mess Tigers commanded by Bears, it's like the bear is Russia and the tiger is China. LOL
6:21 what is this? know ive seen it before. kungpow?
yep
Add Void ripper + Evolving Spores for a killer lethal turn. Suddenly your tigers turn into 5/3 windfury or 8/3 with functional charge.
Could this work combined with some mill? Naturalize + coldlight oracle?
Holy shit that Kung Pow joke
3:16 it just makes sense
Editor makes a Kung Pow reference :thumbsup:
The whole video is a missed opportunity for a Voltron joke.
Lions, tigers and bears...
rick james
pray for me
Oh my!
I wanted to see The Devourer played and then all tigers trade in to him, filling up the deck again and warlock concedes
anyone know the source of the clip from 6:19?
2:27 That play though.
Rob Nowak 7
10:59 Guys I think Firebat might actually be crazy
The movie referenced is Kung Pow. Best comedy evar.
RISEN' UP! BACK ON THE STREETS! TOOK MY TIME TOOK MY CHANCES! WENT THE DISTANCE! BACK ON MY FEET...
Nyaaa tigah tigah lol awesome
im mad that the editor didn't show a clip of "The Wizard of Oz" at 3:20. :( feelsbadman "Lions, Tigers, and Bears--Oh my!"
I've been trying to make this deck work. Didn't think about adding the Cube.
tigers, tigers everywhere and not an azari in sight....
Deathrattle Druid... Reminds me of a friend when he started playing WoW and his conclusion: "Huh, you can't pick Druid when you play as Undead". But hell, we have aggro Priests now, so why the fuck not.
I fucking lost it at the kung pow reference.
With Jade Druid leaving standard and the druid cards revealed so far being... sub par, I think Tigers Commanded by Bears Druid could be a real thing next month!!
fucking amazing kung pow reference holy shit
This video makes me want to watch kung pow enter the fist
one of my favorite decks of all time
6:18 WHAT IS THAT FROM
Triggerfisk Kung Pow, I think
I thought it was ice age one?
Kung pow enter the fist
Bradley Hawkes th-cam.com/video/Jsy7JW2LC48/w-d-xo.html
Firebat IRL off stream for sure
The rise of beast druid once again :D It will be grizzly but many will join pack... rawr!
Hey Firebat, what's the best non-rogue meta deck I could make if I bought 50 packs?
Andrew Hengy highlander priest ?
He said 50 packs not 5000 packs
Depends what cards you have from older expansions.
Depends on pulls and dust, plus what you already have in your collection. The answer is usually jade druid or aggro hunter though, those can both be really cheap decks.
A bit off-meta but if you already have the hero card you can make a really solid midrange hunter, commons like Dire Mole and Plated Beetle provide reasonable Razormaw targets and some of the new class cards like Flanking Strike and Wandering Monster help the archetype quite a bit. Just make a good cheap beast hunter curve, put in the best removal you have and let the hero be all the top-end you need. Inexpensive, interesting to play and not done to death yet.
Andrew Hengy for only 50 packs worth of dust probably aggro pali or spell hunter, no tier 1s
But did you know that Russia not only has bears, but also tigers? And space too, don't you forget about that haha
i jizzed my pants at 2:20
i feel like this deck is only improved by adding the 9/7 legendary with the same effect
it is a Man-Bear-Tiger (It a Tiger Lead by the Bear controlled by a Man ) !!! Run !!!
Friendship ended with Jade! Now Tiger is my new best friend!
Super Tiger Reload To The Max!
does this deck work without tigers?
Yes, put jade idols instead
without the tigers you have to cut the cheese. get rid of umbra, cube, silver vanguard, ixlid and nzoth.
just keep oaken summon, guild recruiter, and grizzled guardian
and 3/4 drops like ironwoodgolem, greedysprite, tar creeper, crypt lord,
and finishers like lotus/roar/path and bonemare
charlie sheen deck. tiger powah!
now I regret dusting tiger
fuck yeah kung pow
This truly shows the power of ramp and UI. You can stuff all the possible shit cards you can think of, as long as you have ramp and UI lol
to be honest, you need a very high iq to play ramp and UI
opponents gul'dan was hella early
Replacement for Astral Tiger?
Jeroen Verschaeve u serious?
Kappa
shoutout to the editor for kuung pow
I played a more midrange oriented version of this deck but it gets steamrolled by secret mage, feels bad man
Here's the best part, you're welcome: th-cam.com/video/jsjBkVHqsvs/w-d-xo.htmlm15s
Love the editor and Firebat's content
STRIKE LAZER CLAW
i need tiger druid in my life lol
If only umbra and fandrel survived.... 😢
Why doesnt he play the card that summons all taunt minions that died this game?
I was seriously hyped for this xpac but I don't have enough stuff to get new packs or craft the cool cards. Most of the good or fun cards of KnC are either epics or legendaries (weapons, corridor creeper and all of the other shit). Meta has gotten much more aids than I expected, recruit with the right deckbuilding is almost as cancer as special summons in YuGiOh. So many decks I've seen so far on ladder were either zoo/pure aggro with corridor creeper, captain-patches combo, bonemare and cobalt guardian or disgustingly good combo decks. I got roflstomped yesterday by cubelock and it wasn't fun at all.
tl;dr: I hate this meta already and will probably quit HS now. Can't keep up with that many xpacs without spending serious cash.
Well atleast dungeon runs were an absolute blast. So, cheers to that one mode Blizz.
Frigeos I agree. HS is slowly increasing its cost, expansion by expansion. 'Wanna have fun? Buy it lol'. If you're a F2P, you have to skip 1 entire xpac so you can buy a decent amount of pacs on the next one. Also your Yugioh comparison is really important. The gameplay might scarely increase speed and action, which could potentially be a huge problem. Ygo nowadays is decided by who wins the coin flip, it's total bull. Tho, I'm not quitting yet. Took me 3 years and a lot of luck to reach my current state and honestly all I need are my off-meta WarLock decks to get something done.
Welcome to CCGs kiddies, I recommend a job
lmao I'm not willing to pay that much cash for some fucking Bytes and pixels. I'd rather have physical cards in my hands than stare at pixels I paid for with my own cash.
Frigeos I see your point about spending money for actual objects, but let’s be real, a decent deck in magic will run you atleast 300 dollars likely a lot more. HS remains hella cheaper than that. That said I agree with the meta being cancer, but it is cancer at every new release, we need to wait a little bit
The cancerous meta is one point. The other point is, that most of the good cards of KnC have epic or higher quality. Even good cards of earlier xpacs (like Fandral, N'Zoth and so on) are basically essential for staying somewhat relative. I remember that when Mean Streets (or some xpac before that) launched I had to DE most of my adventure legendaries to keep playing the game as F2P. With the addition of DKs in Frozen Throne it screwed me so hard. They are in almost every good deck. Just look at Anduin, that fuck is in every priest deck. Or Gul'Dan is in most warlock decks. Same goes for Jaina and Malfurion. But you still can't win games just with the DKs because you need to build a good deck around them most of the time. And then we're back at my earlier point, which is that some of the most important cards are epic or higher. (like I said, most DKs, then Ultimate Infestation is so broken that it basically HAS to be in a druid deck so it stays relevant) And that is the problem which I am facing as a F2P person.
I know that that problem exists in every Card Game, but I never really got into competitive TCGs so it never hit me so hard like HS did.
Also, sorry for the whole rant, I just had to blast out my frustration somewhere. :D
BTW: Nice vid Firebat. xD
tiger
Infinitely recurring 3/5s seems pretty solid
If this was magic
I hate jade, it makes decks like this just not seem worth it
Why didn’t this show up in my fucking sub box? Wtf
Voidlord is fuuuuun....
Notice me firebat and make a heart on this coment. That would make my day
Personally I think Kripps version of this deck is better
what I dont understand, is why you would EVER play astral tiger if you have jades. Jades are just better in every possible way, you only need one idol, and its not weak to the current meta powerhouse, silences
This is stronger against aggro... Also it looks fun.
jade often can't go infinite in the matchups where it matters, because geist
Because you aren't a bad person
woo im early
first
Another expansion and another OP druid deck. The only way to win against it is to have 4 silences, for the 2 regular tigers and the 2 from nzoth. Is crazy
I"ve played this deck myself. This deck is definitely fun as all hell, but no where near op. Firebat even said it himself this game. You keep making more tigers, but what do the tigers accomplish? You can't look at just one good game and call op.
Yeah, the only way to beat it is to silence all the tigers! Or just step past the vanilla 3/5s and kill the druid behind them with your own minions. Or just ignore the board entirely and blow them up from your hand. But mainly just silence, for reasons.
OP druid deck? This deck is high tier 3 at absolute best, and probably lower.
squalltheonly This deck is not op..Its not even tier 3
Quest mage beats this deck easy