Fantastic video mate really enjoyed watching it I don’t know much about those bikes we don’t have those models here in New Zealand all ways looking forward to watching your next video take care mate
seeing them running balls out on the street, reminded me of the time my 125, 2 stroke locked up on me on asphalt. of course i wasn't ready, i slide forward and both feet came off the pegs. so now I'm riding on my nutsack with my legs behind me, i stayed like that till i came to a stop. it was a combination of never being rebuilt and ridding the piss out of it for 3 years. growing up in sunny southern California, it's always birtbike weather.
Piranha 190cc is a rebrand Zhongshan 190 they only rebrand the only 2 190 is zs190 and Daytona 190 , the only yx that’s close is if you build a yx187 with a 4 valve head
@@josephsaucedo8691 well sure but how long will it last ? The Daytona lasts less 30 hours when raced, you can also make a Daytona to make 35hp but we are talking less than 10 hours before you need a top end service, sure the most reliable would be the zs190, sometimes it’s just too sketchy to add so much power on a pit bike, like my yx150 with 18/37 gearing it gos 71.5 mph all day long and on a 17/14 wheel set up it’s scary
@@cobalt930 nice I see you no your engines the time it will last always depending on the care but I here ya that the name of the game when racing they run the best just before they blow lol any single piston engine over 30 hp is called a mypop also none as one run and done. As you can tell I'm in to drag racing. Good stuff like your reply. 😁💯🛠️🏍️👍✌️👌
Daytona stock is the highest output at 24hp and also highest price but the Zongshen and piranha have around the same HP at about 14 stock to 16-17 modded or even up to 24hp with the correct big bore and head but that’s somewhat expensive
@@slavsquad thank you bro seriously and if you could I uploaded a video myself first video if you could check it out maybe give a like that’d be great 😃
Hi mate I spoke to you a couple weeks ago about me blowing my 155cc any chance you could help me I’m ordering a new barrel and piston kit but I don’t have any tools witch tools will I need to buy to take it apart and that the new ones back on i have watched other vids but rather have it in writing so I can do it that way😅
these engines don't require any special tools. only specific thing would maybe be a torque wrench for the head studs when putting it back. if your doing top end its pretty simple. get your basic tools. get a razor blade to clean up the old gaskets. scotch bright for that as well. some contact cleaner or brake and parts cleaner.if your adjusting valves then get some feeler gauge set. if your doing the bottom end then get some snap ring pliers as well. might need a case splitters. Flywheel removal tool. clutch removal tool. then should be good to go
If it’s blown I would check crank, make sure no shavings are in it and clean the bottom end, there is no better way I know to clean it completely I would take apart the bottom end just to clean it , the special tools you need are pit bike castle nut remover and a flywheel puller both should be inexpensive.
Its just gearing.. if both bikes were geared same.. same speed zongshen is piranha is syx is ssr is kayo is.. unless you have pitster, daytona or higher end quality engine..
I’ve never tested compression but that’s a video to come soon so I’m not sure what the compression is. I know they have very high kick back. Hurts your leg when it does.
@@slavsquad yeah ahah i think the bikes over 140 have decompression heads kr something as they all look like they have less compression than the fresh 125 and 140
@@steelyc7079 well that could be a good theory to test out. I have a 125 a 140 and the 190 so I might just have to do a compression test on each one and see the numbers
Hay bro there the same engine there all built in the same build house in the same country there just under different control quality the design is Japan but there built in China Daytona zongshen yzf thump star any thing with a 190cc are the same design there parts are interchangeable for the most part I could tell you what you need to beat him depending on what he has and how far you want to take it the engine capable to do 90 mph at least on the west coast of Cali 17t and 34t is what we run. 💯👍✌️👌🏍️🛠️
@@slavsquad what engine and brand there a bunch of things I seen a couple of your videos just now your on the right track open air filter carb size and muffler size also helps quite a bit depending on size also cdi timing cylinder head make a big difference as well a lot of power can be found there.💯🛠️🏍️👍✌️👌🧐😁
@@josephsaucedo8691 mines a zongshen 190. 26mm nibi Knick off. Open foam uni air filter. 17t front sprocket. Stock Pitster pro x5 160cc exhaust. I do want to do a top end build down the road. Make it’s a monster
@@slavsquad yes you are right I can tell you what you need to make it just that when your ready if you don't mind email me no cap my username 82 at Yahoo sorry i wrote it funny but TH-cam will delete if I didn't. I actually talk to quit a bit off of TH-cam now about these engine I have a Daytona and a z.s 190 also have a Honda Wich is similar depending on model. Every one after the power and want reliable engine I don't blame them you don't have to by a expensive Daytona to do it though most people will try to tell you to though. Only because they don't no how or want to build so they pay 1500+😬🤑💯🛠️🏍️👍👌✌️
@@slavsquad 26mm a little small most people run 28- 32mm carb on the 190 28mm most popular when you do top end work it will definitely help to go bigger 👍👌✌️🏍️🛠️💯
Besides it shifting into neutral a lot no. There’s a “shift star mod” you can do to not have this neutral issue anymore. I’ve herd the kick starter goes bad cuz it’s a weak point. But so far we haven’t had that issue. I’ve had to fix a broken gear in the transmission but that was due to our own fault when we tied it up and made a rope swing from the bike lol
@@draxstice yeah I think it depends how hard you are on it. I wouldn’t doubt mine will end up having some trans issues in the future cuz I’m hard on it.
@@slavsquad tempting definally, but this motor require more maintenance which Daytona gives and manual, I would go for a 4 speed instead becuase breaking transmissions aren’t fun
He already has a NIBBI carb on it you can see it on the video. I have the YX150 bored out to 187cc with V2 race head, NIBBI carb and race cam. Thing rips.
I stuffed a 18tooth sprocket on my yx150 and a 37 rear, i topped at 65, my engine has a ported head and a nibbi 26mm carb it rips but hard time starting it lol kicks back too much so I only bump start
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I put a 190cc 4v 5 speed daytona in my grom. I love it 79mph is my best so far.
Dang that’s quick!
I've got that same motor in a ycf 190 put bike and it is a beast. I can't believe how much power these little units have.
which model?
How easy or hard was that to do ?
Fantastic video mate really enjoyed watching it I don’t know much about those bikes we don’t have those models here in New Zealand all ways looking forward to watching your next video take care mate
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We do have these models in Australian and nz you just gotta look for them and they’re by no means cheap
I will have some for sale next year around April June in nz.
Look up blygo there in Victoria and have the 190cc in stock
seeing them running balls out on the street, reminded me of the time my 125, 2 stroke locked up on me on asphalt. of course i wasn't ready, i slide forward and both feet came off the pegs. so now I'm riding on my nutsack with my legs behind me, i stayed like that till i came to a stop. it was a combination of never being rebuilt and ridding the piss out of it for 3 years. growing up in sunny southern California, it's always birtbike weather.
Gained a new subscriber 🔥
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Piranha 190cc is a rebrand Zhongshan 190 they only rebrand the only 2 190 is zs190 and Daytona 190 , the only yx that’s close is if you build a yx187 with a 4 valve head
What about Honda a built grom can make 30hp if built right 💯👍✌️👌🏍️
@@josephsaucedo8691 well sure but how long will it last ? The Daytona lasts less 30 hours when raced, you can also make a Daytona to make 35hp but we are talking less than 10 hours before you need a top end service, sure the most reliable would be the zs190, sometimes it’s just too sketchy to add so much power on a pit bike, like my yx150 with 18/37 gearing it gos 71.5 mph all day long and on a 17/14 wheel set up it’s scary
@@cobalt930 nice I see you no your engines the time it will last always depending on the care but I here ya that the name of the game when racing they run the best just before they blow lol any single piston engine over 30 hp is called a mypop also none as one run and done. As you can tell I'm in to drag racing. Good stuff like your reply. 😁💯🛠️🏍️👍✌️👌
what’s the best 190cc ?
like reliably + performance
I want to upgrade from a 140 to 190cc.
What are your valve clearances on the 212 zs and have you replaced the starter chain
what’s the difference between the piranha, daytona , and zongshen ?
Daytona stock is the highest output at 24hp and also highest price but the Zongshen and piranha have around the same HP at about 14 stock to 16-17 modded or even up to 24hp with the correct big bore and head but that’s somewhat expensive
How tall are you ?
5’8”
Your bike is not a 190cc its a 212cc zongshine engine the same engine as your friends 190 it’s basically a 190cc with a big bore kit
Why do you think that?
And how could I confirm this? What’s the difference between Zongshine 190 and 212.
Love the piranha and btw what camera set up are you using need a more stable set up any suggestions?
Thank you
I’m using a GoPro hero 8 black plus an iPhone
GoPro has the stabilizer in it and gets good videos
@@slavsquad thank you bro seriously and if you could I uploaded a video myself first video if you could check it out maybe give a like that’d be great 😃
Awesome 👍 video yeah I live in central Pennsylvania and my kp mini 150 did 72 gps verified speedo showed 82 lol
That’s crazy. Elevation change can really make a difference.
The biggest difference is in the size of the tire the and style
Hate to brake it to ya, they are the same engine same manufacturer Zongshen! Now if one of them were a Daytona 190 then there is a difference in HP!
Yeah I know. Just showing people the difference which is not really any difference lol
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btw they are both exactly the same engine nothing is different both zs190s just one has a name on the side
But I really want an Orion rxb 190XL super moto these 190s have a lot of power I want one
The 190s are so fun!
Hi mate I spoke to you a couple weeks ago about me blowing my 155cc any chance you could help me I’m ordering a new barrel and piston kit but I don’t have any tools witch tools will I need to buy to take it apart and that the new ones back on i have watched other vids but rather have it in writing so I can do it that way😅
these engines don't require any special tools. only specific thing would maybe be a torque wrench for the head studs when putting it back. if your doing top end its pretty simple. get your basic tools. get a razor blade to clean up the old gaskets. scotch bright for that as well. some contact cleaner or brake and parts cleaner.if your adjusting valves then get some feeler gauge set. if your doing the bottom end then get some snap ring pliers as well. might need a case splitters. Flywheel removal tool. clutch removal tool. then should be good to go
@@slavsquad okay thank you
If it’s blown I would check crank, make sure no shavings are in it and clean the bottom end, there is no better way I know to clean it completely I would take apart the bottom end just to clean it , the special tools you need are pit bike castle nut remover and a flywheel puller both should be inexpensive.
Its just gearing.. if both bikes were geared same.. same speed zongshen is piranha is syx is ssr is kayo is.. unless you have pitster, daytona or higher end quality engine..
I died laughing so hard when he was like look it's a piranha, with a zs190 cover.
Hi 👋 like you’re pit bike
Why dont they have much compression are they not verry fresh or do the higher cc pitbikes have lower compression
I’ve never tested compression but that’s a video to come soon so I’m not sure what the compression is. I know they have very high kick back. Hurts your leg when it does.
@@slavsquad yeah ahah i think the bikes over 140 have decompression heads kr something as they all look like they have less compression than the fresh 125 and 140
@@steelyc7079 well that could be a good theory to test out. I have a 125 a 140 and the 190 so I might just have to do a compression test on each one and see the numbers
@@slavsquad ouch, it’s why I only bump start
Even fresh 110 brand new have unreal compression
Lmao they’re the same exact engine…..
Hay bro there the same engine there all built in the same build house in the same country there just under different control quality the design is Japan but there built in China Daytona zongshen yzf thump star any thing with a 190cc are the same design there parts are interchangeable for the most part I could tell you what you need to beat him depending on what he has and how far you want to take it the engine capable to do 90 mph at least on the west coast of Cali 17t and 34t is what we run. 💯👍✌️👌🏍️🛠️
That’s good to know? The more tips to go faster the better! Lol
I’m running 17 front. But the rear is stock. Anything else besides sprockets?
@@slavsquad what engine and brand there a bunch of things I seen a couple of your videos just now your on the right track open air filter carb size and muffler size also helps quite a bit depending on size also cdi timing cylinder head make a big difference as well a lot of power can be found there.💯🛠️🏍️👍✌️👌🧐😁
@@josephsaucedo8691 mines a zongshen 190. 26mm nibi Knick off. Open foam uni air filter. 17t front sprocket. Stock Pitster pro x5 160cc exhaust.
I do want to do a top end build down the road. Make it’s a monster
@@slavsquad yes you are right I can tell you what you need to make it just that when your ready if you don't mind email me no cap my username 82 at Yahoo sorry i wrote it funny but TH-cam will delete if I didn't. I actually talk to quit a bit off of TH-cam now about these engine I have a Daytona and a z.s 190 also have a Honda Wich is similar depending on model. Every one after the power and want reliable engine I don't blame them you don't have to by a expensive Daytona to do it though most people will try to tell you to though. Only because they don't no how or want to build so they pay 1500+😬🤑💯🛠️🏍️👍👌✌️
@@slavsquad 26mm a little small most people run 28- 32mm carb on the 190 28mm most popular when you do top end work it will definitely help to go bigger 👍👌✌️🏍️🛠️💯
when 212cc kit
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What’s the most reliable pit bike engine/engine brand??
Probably a Honda crf 110 or klx 110. That’s name brand stuff. Then probably Daytona, Pitster pro, piranha
Do 17/41 gearing I get 67mph on a 160 plenty of torque to wheelie in 4th gear
I got a 17 on the front. Still need to do the rear
I have a question, have u had any problems with the 190 zongshen??
Besides it shifting into neutral a lot no. There’s a “shift star mod” you can do to not have this neutral issue anymore. I’ve herd the kick starter goes bad cuz it’s a weak point. But so far we haven’t had that issue. I’ve had to fix a broken gear in the transmission but that was due to our own fault when we tied it up and made a rope swing from the bike lol
@@slavsquad thanks man I heard they had issues with transmission that’s why I had asked
@@draxstice yeah I think it depends how hard you are on it. I wouldn’t doubt mine will end up having some trans issues in the future cuz I’m hard on it.
I've had a zongshen 190cc engine for a few years now, just changed the shifting arm and the problem is gone
My yx160 with a 17 front sprocket n 35 in the rear does 115kmh/71-72 mph
That’s quick. You out east?
@@slavsquad Sweden close to denmark
@@RAVEN-ry7wb makes a bit more sense. Lower elevation there. But still impressive
Are they electric start?
They both have the option but neither have electric start hooked up
Tell the other guy to get a Daytona 4 valve 190 that motor can go 80+
hmmm tempting
@@slavsquad tempting definally, but this motor require more maintenance which Daytona gives and manual, I would go for a 4 speed instead becuase breaking transmissions aren’t fun
@@cobalt930 does Daytona have a 4 speed 190?
@@slavsquad yea Daytona has a 4 speed 190 it’s much better than the 5 speed
@@slavsquad shoot did I forgot to tell you you can modify and bore a Daytona 190 to a 253cc beast
why didnt you race these dirt bikes on the dirt at all? bahahah
Lol the point was a top speed race
Can’t get a truly accurate race in the dirt.
@@slavsquad wasn't a fair race when one bike has road tyres and the other has dirt tyres...
@@ON-EightySix true true
Just get the Daytona
Upgrade to a Nibbi racing carb and put it on 14inch sumo wheels.. thank me later! 😏
He already has a NIBBI carb on it you can see it on the video.
I have the YX150 bored out to 187cc with V2 race head, NIBBI carb and race cam. Thing rips.
@@Micscience ahh right ok.. mines hit about 80-85 on a 44t I think I have on right now..
@@YoungMelz How many speeds?
@@Micscience 80-85mph
@@Micscience where do you get your parts?
I have yx150 and top speed was 55mp/h with sprockets don't know and i think that it has still more kick to it to go faster.
That’s not bad
Same as my piranha 140 with front and rear sprockets
I stuffed a 18tooth sprocket on my yx150 and a 37 rear, i topped at 65, my engine has a ported head and a nibbi 26mm carb it rips but hard time starting it lol kicks back too much so I only bump start
The other bike is still a clean sdg 125
i can go faster