"SOY Protein Reduces Muscle Mass"
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Alpha males punching the air rn
Alot of drywall repair companies getting business today...
“Alpha” makes lol
Soyboy will now refer to boys who don't like soy. I'm taking soy and the rainbow back! 🌈
@@fartnutssupreme4930so?
@@SeattleSuburbanDaddrywall???? 😮 is it what I think?
I served you dinner once, you were super chill and down to earth. We talked about my ultramarathon running, and you were excited about it. I started following you after that and you have always been super supportive in all your posts.
He seems like the man!
I’m glad to see he is a good dude off the camera too.
This is really cool, thank you for sharing my dude, nice to know he’s just as cool in person
All these words yall use. Soy puts power in your bones and heals your blood and organs. I would rather have strong bones and organs instead of big muscles and bad organs and bones and a bald ash crooked shaped head. You don't know wtf you talking bout man you a dogggggg
@@josetakapeleyou see his videos going to expos? I get it's still on camera but it's also in public and this man doesn't change lol
Soy protein companies need to PAY YOU. They should be putting this clip in a fuckin Super Bowl ad. Soy has the worst marketing team in history, they need a win 😂
Soy market is booming bruv. Not just soy protein and soy milk, but soy oil and soy protein are used in practically every processed food you can find. From candy bars to cereal all over. Soy is cheap that's why it sells itself.
NO HUSH!
I'm always getting my soy protein from a reputable source for yeaaars now.
My soy better not become expensive now because of all you fools who couldn't appreciate it 10 years ago
Me taking 40g of soy protein everyday and my testosterone level being high af:
I can't kiss my GF for longer than 5 seconds without getting hard 🤡
Soy sauce has been killing it for like centuries
@@yipperdeyip as one of the lowest quality proteins you have nothing to worry about
I ate soy and I died. This is me literally commenting from the after life.
Yes there is Wi-Fi in the afterlife
I'm not dying unless I get ethernet
But are you jacked now?
@@sillesrepa8249 ofcourse bro, there are gyms in the afterlife too
So sorry you went to hell. (there is no wifi in heaven)
Is it free?
Also worth noting: the phytoestrogens in soy have a much weaker interaction with the body than animal estrogen, somewhere on the order of 1/1000th. Also also worth noting: cow's milk, a product which is pretty universally embraced by the beefcake community, contains pretty significant amount of animal estrogen.
It's not true except about soy having a weaker interaction with the body than that of animal estrogen
Cow's milk does contain small amounts of naturally occurring estrogen, but the levels are considered to be minimal and not of significant concern. The estrogen present in cow's milk comes from lactating cows, as milk production is associated with increased estrogen levels in the animal's body.
It is important to note that the type of estrogen found in cow's milk is different from human estrogen, and its effects on the human body are not fully understood. The amount of estrogen in cow's milk is generally considered to be within safe limits and is regulated by food safety authorities in most countries.
It's worth mentioning that the estrogen levels in cow's milk are generally lower than the levels of phytoestrogens (plant-based estrogens) found in soy milk and other soy-based products. Phytoestrogens can have estrogenic effects in the body, but their overall impact on human health is still a subject of ongoing research.
If you have specific concerns about hormones, estrogen, or milk consumption, it is advisable to consult a healthcare professional who can provide you with accurate and personalized information based on your individual health circumstances.
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@@WungusBill-lf4iudoesn't help that he literally just said what you did lol
@@enbonj5842
Eh, anything can be weird if you frame it a certain way
@@enbonj5842 Any weirder than eating chicken eggs, bee vomit, or fruit/grain mash left out until it's fermented?
I wanted to like this but it's at 69 so I didn't dare.
Soy keeping you big as hell
What about the notion about protease inhibitors in soy that hinder you from breaking protein down@@arthurfleck629
@@arthurfleck629bioavailability is not everything, nor the primary concern. Soy is low in certain BCAA's, particularly leucine being the most relevant. Not saying soy is bad you just need more of it or a combination of other quality protein sources.
@@Scion15Soy is one of the few plants that is considered a complete protein. Where did you read that soy is lacking in certain amino acids?
@@IridescentW they're not missing, but they're lower than in other proteins like whey. Like I said it's not bad, you just can't swap whey for soy gram for gram.
@@Scion15 are they lower to the point that it actually makes a difference to muscle or strength gains?
I’m an agricultural Economics major that study’s crop value chains. I always wondered why soy was supposedly bad for muscle growth when we used it to feed animals to bulk them up
Lol
lol
No thouggts head empty
No thoughts head empty
(lol)
Don't tell these guys man . They are the reason i can buy soy supplement on sale. I bought one 30% off
REAL!!!!! I get 5lbs of soy isolate for 30 bucks. Unbeatable.
Lmao it's true
Bought some for half the money it would take to get whey at the same shop
Soy always will be cheaper tbf, even if it gets popular. Apart from being made from cheaper food it also tastes way worse than whey and it also merges with liquids pretty shitty compared to whey so it's just not a quality people would pay a lot of money for when there's a pretty good alternative. The only scenario would be if veganism became so extremely widespread that everybody would want to drink soy protein so they'd pay whatever money they're offered for.
😂
Started eating soy protein and gained 40lbs of lean gyno 😡
😂
It's also weird that people are unaware of the amount of estrogen in dairy.
Even the milk of very pregnant cows needs to lose a couple of zeros on its estrogen count to be where soy is at.
also the fact that they juice up the dairy animals with oxytoxin
Dairy also has androgens.
What's funny is I see these beer chugging dudes with big guts crapping on soy for estrogen levels yet having a gut from drinking alcohol means lower T-levels than any amount from soy.
@@Gnomesmusher The hops in beer has a massively estrogenic effect....
Soy made my testicles fall off. WTF Dr. Mike?!!? 😡😠
That is not what he said
Jajaja
@@johantansir-nt4ep yeah it's called a JOKE.
@@maricóns4kamala well, then don't put an angry emoticon 😅
@@johantansir-nt4ep that's part of the joke 😭🤪
I ate soy and my penis is only 4 inches so dr. Mike is wrong
Better speak to daddy, cause he might be rocking 3 inches
No need to brag...
that’s 3.8 more than me
@@MCBloodStain-tk9lwbro that ain’t no dick that’s a clitoris 💀
Bro that's massive (compared to me)
Lol soyboy is now a compliment and I love how fucking far from the truth the "I'm so alpha" bros are
Lol watch mike for 20 seconds now ur eating soy 🤣
Tbf nobody says "I'm alpha" but you can tell how narcissists they are
@@JohnDoe-id5ihehhh for some reason I get the distinct feeling you’re the actual narcissist in this hypothetical situation
@@notthed0d791
Makes no sense
@@JohnDoe-id5ihI would direct you to Andrew tate fan boys. They all claim to be alphas
This is why the saying "Half knowledge is Dangerous" exists.
The reality is that Both men and women bodies produce both Testosterone and Estrogen regularly. The only difference is the amount in which it is produced. In men testosterone is produced more and in women estrogen is produced more.
Phyto estrogen is not estrogen. Soy is just a bean packed with protein. Good stuff
This was always my understanding; estrogen is like a whole class of hormones
i was about to say this plant-estrogen doesn't work in humans...
@user-yn5sk5ru5g
I’ll just let the Asian folks eat there soy products.
Not me I’m American we eat Buffalo and Texas long horns.
Lol I’m being facetious. But there’s a reason why Asian men are not really manly because they eat to much soy and bad oils and fake ass food in my opinion. No T.
@ms.x1681
But it works on mice mixed with human DNA. And to my knowledge that’s how they gauge these things for scientific study’s to see if we should use these things for ourselves so if it hurt the mouse it hurts me. Fuck that.
@@pedrochavez6838 i just did some googling and you seem to be right (couldn't find anything about the mice, but a pretty big review). Isoflavones can bind to estrogen receptors, but seems to have like 1/5th of the effect of the most common human estrogen. The review found both a study that found no correlation between isoflavone consumption and androgen levels and one that found high isoflavone consumption lowered the amount of free androgens (in men). That seems about as inconclusive as you can get to me, and as mike said in the video estrogens also have anabolic effects.
You can always tell who the idiots are when they talk bad about soy.
Estradiol is actually important for men, no estradiol, no boners!
Soy causes IBS for me.
I hate it! it's terrible!
Did I hurt your soy's feelings?
Yep. I eat a block of tofu per day and have had zero feminizing effects. Just a great, cheap source of protein.
"Seed oils, soy, microplastics, and insects are turning us all into soyboys!" Lol
I mean there are better sources and cheaper sources of protein with more nutrients. Even chicken breast in bulk is cheaper per gram of protein
Phytoestrogen is not estrogen and soy does not have any measurable effect on hormonal levels outside just protein providing more building blocks for hormone production.
The whole reason they’re called phytoestrogen is because they have a similar structure, not a similar function.
Some still bind to and agonize estrogen receptors, potentially inducing estrogenic effects depending on the potency. But the bind and potency is usually much less than estrogens themselves and it may even block estrogen binding, so the effects are severely overexaggerated.
*Thank you Professor*🤓
ok. why are a massive number of men walking around sad, bald with bitch tits, sperm counts cratered?
xddddd
@@VegetaPrinceOfSaiyansyeah and that applies to many many other things besides soy. A lot of stuff manufacturers use are estrogen like esters, which is why they believe girls are going thru puberty very early and other effects as well for boys
Soybeans are one of the most pesticide sprayed “vegetables”.
One of which is glyphosate, active ingredient in Roundup
And most of the soybean grown is fed to livestock, where the glyphosate can compound in the tissues of the animal.
@@LeFlamel true, try to eat pasture raised/grass fed.
In Europe gmo soya is banned for human consumption. All those pesticides end up in meat because gmo soya is mainly used for animal feed. So if you’re worried about roundup in your food lay off the meat. Also due to bio accumulation pesticide levels will be higher in meat because livestock eat way more then humans.
Soy protein isolate actually drastically reduces the Isoflavones (the stuff that causes estrogen to rise) when it goes through the filtration process
So if you're ok with processed soy you can still enjoy one of the most leanest and cheapest protein powders in existence
if soy protein makes you into a biological female, you'd think trans women would just eat a lot of those instead of going through hormone therapy 😂
Drank so much soy milk I became a woman but my gains are sick so I can’t complain
So I need to eat beans more basically
T o f u
Beans are good but soy beans ain't don't listen to this guy shit he's probably being pay to say shit like this to make us man weak so they could control us.
"I'm not a soy boy, I'm a soy man"
The study that showed that soy messed up the rats hormone balance fed the rats the equivalent of about 80 cups of soy milk a day in order to have a noticable negative effect.
sounds like the old aspartame experiments with giving rats, like, 80x (i may be overblowing it, i dont remember the exact number) the normal amount of aspartame injected directly into their veins
The phytoestrogens in soy milk have very low efficacy (weak effect at receptor). Some phytoestrogens have such low efficacy that all they do is block the receptor site from being activated by actual estrogen (known as competitive antagonism). As a result, some components in soy are anti-estrogenic. On the other hand, Cow's milk contains actual mammalian estrogen which is feminising.
Yo do you have a source for this, because I'm keen to read the literature
Source please
Literally just look up soy phytoestrogen blocks mammalian estrogen on Google.
You can't put sources on TH-cam anymore without getting autoflagged.
Wait so it's actually milk that will make me a woman?
Dehydrated soy crumbles are like 12g protein and 9g carbs in 23g serving; effectively a protein supplement for soups and stews. Easy way to get more protein in your diet, especially if you don’t eat a lot of meat.
Exactly, the protein per dollar ratio is crazy. In countries like India where I live, chicken and other meat is expensive and Soya Chunks are a cheap and easy way to meet my protein goal. I have been having them for years without any issues.
Y'all check your local Asian market for soy crumbles or squares or knots or twists or sheets or whatever.
There are so many cheap soy products out there for easy gains
Your not effectively absorbing any of it because it's plant protein
@@moidhassan5552In latin america it is also really cheap. 1.5 dollars per soy kilogram
Hell yeah! Dr. Mike's the man!
I'm a woman so I'm quite happy to ear that my hormones aren't keeping me from making muscle like I thought 😌
Thank you father muscle, hope mother muscle and you are having a great easter
You'll never have the muscle a man has so what point were you actually making here?
@@Section_230 u r dumb
“Father muscle” 💀👍🏽
@@Section_230 No where in her comment did she refer to wanting muscle development comparable to a male. Merely that she herself was relieved to be capable of developing muscle on her own physique, given that females have varying degrees of testosterone and estrogen depending on their stage in their cycle.
@@bloodflower4141 Nobody said she couldn't grow any muscle either. What's your point?
Excessive estrogen in men can cause gynecomastia. It can also increase the risk of stroke, coronary artery disease, and prostate cancer.
The avoidance of soy products isn’t because “soy bad bro!” , it’s because nobody can really tell when they’ve consumed enough to put them into the excessive range (over what we naturally have). At least not without blood work done.
Tofu is cheap, and IMO, tasty. Been on it for a month, while cutting, and just bumped a rep. Not seeing a downside.
This vídeo loops perfectly 😅
It might loop nicely indeed, but the real ending is "Because, they're insecure". All of men's weird shit, almost always boils down to insecurity.
@@Siberius-stop projecting incel ...
@@chris6048 - Are we about to be in a stalemate of calling each other incels? can't wait for that.
I'd say we're probably both not incels in reality lol. But the incel mindset sure is prominent with the insecure types I'm talking about.
The ones who throw around incel insults, beta, cuck, etc. are often doing so out of underlying insecurity.
Interestingly the "cuck" insult really dropped off. I think it was revealing too much of their own inner worst fears, so they stopped making their insecurities quite so obvious there.
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toros neza ya ni existe guey
@@celh2656 Ja vind ik ook man is gewoon stom.
Good.
Idk man I like raw milk
And another question i have( i may sound stupid)
Then why don't women bodybuilders just grow bigger than men? I mean after taking anabolics the test levels are at all time high and there is absolute no effects to estrogen levels
Because they don’t have as many androgen receptors.
My mom says it's a combination of too much soy and my Great Grandma's(dad's side) for my 4 inch ⛶ squared length/2" girth 😢
Estrogen is also a huge component of bone density
Everybody worried about the phytoestrogens in soy but not worried about the phytoestrogens in beer from the hops 😵💫🙃😂
It's why I only drink small quantities of wine, and hard liquor. Too much alcohol tanks your hormone levels as well (increases cortisol greatly)
@@johannesstephanusroos4969 Wine wrecks me harder than anything else on earth, I wonder if its the phates or the yeast, I can feel the sicked Ive been my whole life after some wine, feels like an instant hang over, mega nauseous, headache/migraine, cant eat or sleep and it takes over a day to clear the feeling out. Meanwhile I can guzzle a nice rum straight and bounce back the next day fine. Its weird that a small amount of wine makes me feel more bad kind of drunk than multiple shots of hard clean liquor.
Thank you for addressing this! Meta analyses showed this many years ago.
Smoothbrains when hormones are more complicated than "boy molecule" and "girl molecule" 😡🙉
Ehh… I’ll stick to my natural estrogen levels, not going to start ingesting soy for estrogen elevation. Plus we’re bombarded with xenoestrogen.
Pavel Tsatsouline who pretty much brought kettlebell training from Russia to the US and who sigma'ed even Joe Rogan, wrote that amateur Soviet body builders used animal feed protein which is soy and bulked tremendously. Check out his books, they are quantum next level for your training.
Yes, please do look them up.😂😂😂 They look like sh*t.
The Russians also invented steroids
It's crazy cause I have higher than normal estrogen levels as a guy, and I recover faster and find it easier to bulk.
It's the cuts that are super difficult for me.
Keep a look out for cancer
Let's see those cans!
@@Ichorianblaze oh dang..
The estrogen that is in soy also does not affect your estrogen or testosterone levels at all. They are proven to not alter hormones in males at all, even with regular consumption.
Interesting then that some males develop breast tissue with excessive soy consumption... Must be magic
@@biochemicks2709Show me source
@@biochemicks2709we talking about sedentary dudes or actual frequent gym goers
@@biochemicks2709and windmills cause faster winds and the sun rises because the rooster yells
@@biochemicks2709 Just because you claim that that's a thing doesn't mean that it actually is.
Much like other plant based proteins and oils, consuming them in the masses they are sold in supplements at is so far beyond what you would ever consume in a normal meal, I just don’t see your body metabolizing all of that properly. This is strictly anecdotal, of course.
You know what fucks your shit up more than soy... beer. Yet you never hear bros talkin about that. Sidenote: gmo soy is trash.. just like gmo corn.. etc
Good to know thanks for the tip !
It’s good to know this. Thank you for your knowledge Dr. Mike
He’s wrong… Scroll up and read
@@richardboran749 soy wouldn’t be my preferred protein source but I’ll make sure to check it out, thank you
I honestly bought into this myth because it's one of those thing that became rampant in the fitness community. But honestly I like soy flavored stuff. Miso, soy sauce, fried tofu and it's a relatively lean protein gives me room in my diet to include a fatty steak.
Fermented soy is fine.
@@BWater-yq3jx soy is fine. The problem is people hear estrogen and assume it's a dangerous amount. It's like saying eating bananas can give you radiation poisoning. Technically you're right but you'd have to eat an impractical amount of bananas.
Blood reports came by both of my Testosterone and estrogen are abnormaly high and doc initially suspected me off using something but I didn't. I still don't know what is causing this I am on meds. ( I went to doc for treatment of my gyno)
Your sarcasm diminishes your message. Really just unpleasant to watch.
Love the way you lay facts down on us brother. Keep it coming
Thanks Mike. We needed someone like you to say this. Also let's elaborate a little more. Soy has phyto estrogen. Which had been shown to not negatively effect test in men. Look at Asian most population of humans and they eat soy.. Cleary doesn't make you infertile. Now when we look at mammalian estrogen which Is in beer and dairy.. that's what's been shown to lower test.
dude, we have seen that soy impact fertility in women. it objectively affects your hormonal balance. Of course this is just in cases where people eat it everyday. if you eat soy every other day that's completely fine and it's usually the studies that are shown. But extreme intake of soy has been linked to thyroid cancer and to hormonal imbalances in men. Just search "Sharla in Japan" on youtube. She is a youtuber that was vegan and ate soy everyday, she loved it. She got thyroid cancer a few years ago and doctors in japan recommended her to stop consuming soy products. She is now not vegan anymore. High consumption of Soy doesn't make you lose a tone of gains, but it does affect the overall balance of your hormones which affects your health and theoretically it can make you plateau more in your muscle gain.
Asian populationsare pretty feminine so not a great example
South Asians are mostly skinny fat. That's not a very good look. And dairy also has androgens.
But asian men are shorter and have smaller genitals than any other population of males
Mammalian estrogen isn't in beer, because hops is not a mammal... Hops contains a different kind of phytoestrogen that activates estrogen receptors very strongly while the phytoestrogen in soy does not.
Meanwhile in reality: "Researchers in Japan use soybean compound to make catfish 100% female".
That's a little reductive of the compound usage and dosing needed to help the dying and vulnerable fish populations.... But sure technically right
@@TheNinjaal thats a nice word salad. Can I get some dressing with it?
@@longanddeadly I don't think it's word salad. Just because an isolated compound found naturally in soy bean doesn't mean it's changing anythings gender. Without context the original statement is reductive. But sure I'll send you any type of salad dressing you'd like.👍
@@TheNinjaal The research paper is literally how ""Researchers in Japan use soybean compound to make catfish 100% female".
You want context go look up the paper and come here to provide that its not accurate.
Did you expect me to post an entire scientific journal entry in a youtube comment? Really?
Labeling my comment as "reductive" is ironically ....drum roll...reductive.
Thank you youve played your self.
Soybois gotta cry. Another witty word salad incoming 3...2...1...:
@@TheNinjaal Its literally in the title of the research paper. That soy compound was used to change gender. What context did you want to see? Should I have posted the entire scientific journal in a youtube comment?
Calling my initial statement as reductive is in and of it self....REDUCTIVE.
actually this is wrong doc, there is a study where they took 2 groups , one was training and eating normal protein, and the others were eating soy based protein and there was no significant diference at all between the 2 groups in terms of hormones .. jeff nippard explained this in one of his videos and u know that guy researches everything, so yeah Dod, this is a myth, >:D
Actually dirty bulking makes more muscles, it is the getting rid of the fat you gained during that process what makes it fucked up
I’m sure there’s more context in the full video, but he’s completely right. The only time estrogen is a problem is when it’s either too low or too high in relation to testosterone
Yeah, so increasing it is bad.
@@he.5865 if you don't have T, but then you have other problems.
The real lesson is that chemical balances in the human body vary a lot. Changing variables throws the whole soup off. If you're a guy who has some regular tasty chicken noodle going on, and you start taking some kind of supplement, well that chicken noodle soup now tastes like a donkey's butthole... You can't just add random things to soups and get delicious results. This isn't a movie about a homoerotic rat.
@@he.5865 You don't significantly increase estrogen levens in your body by eating soy, Not to mention free-estrogen levels that are bioavailable to your body.
So many men have low T so estrogen bad.
He’s wrong the largest study on soy was in Japan where they eat the most of it and it was found to be directly feminizing men 😅
Several meta analyses (reviews of multiple studies combined) show otherwise.
@@VegetaPrinceOfSaiyansand the population of Japan has dropped faster than an anvil in looney tunes
@@Duck_Dodgers That's related how? Old people die and less young people choose to form families due to living conditions. Once boomers go, the US will be in the same situation.
@@VegetaPrinceOfSaiyans desire to mate has decreased in Japan. The same thing is happening here lower birth rates. Lower testosterone less desire. High consumption of soy can hinder a woman's ability to get pregnant. It really all comes down to who's paying for the study.
@@Duck_Dodgers It's not about desire, it's about the cost of living increasing and adding another human to support in your family that can't bring anything back to you for several years. If you can't afford childcare and have no one to watch them, one parent has to be home, so the other has to go twice as hard to support the household, or both work and just pay for childcare and get less time with the kid. I don't know how the childcare and family support systems work in Japan, but that's basically the US. Wanting kids and not being able to have them is totally different than not wanting kids, and less people want kids, especially compared to 60 or 70 years ago when you could sustain a family of 4 on one income.
If I remember correctly, soy phytoestrogens are weaker than good estrogens, and can activate alpha and beta receptors.
So you're probably better off avoiding it, and trying for good estrogens that go the right receptor.
I thought turkesterone and ecdysterone were so good cause they worked through the estrogen beta receptor
@@1997saps interesting comment, though not exactly what I was talking about in my original comment.
Regardless, The way ecdysteroids like turkesterone work is by binding to the estrogen beta receptor, and this competes with the good estrogens we males also need, so you would have to weigh up the cons and pros in relation to such things.
I'd ask myself, can I afford to inhibit some of my good estrogen activity for something that is said to be more anabolic, with benefits such as increased protein synthesis, and myostatin, cortisol inhibition potential.
I would say, be cautious whenever you biohack the endocrine system, and while it won't shut down your testicles and penis, what else might it be shutting down without our knowledge due to limited scientific data.
You going to take advice from an over educated gym teacher? Like people taking advice for diabetes from a chiropractor on TH-cam. Look at his degree its a pointless degree
For most people soy is fine, but I'm very sensitive almost allergic so I try to avoid soy.
Same here, plays havoc with my stomach
I use a rice and barley protein it tastes great too
I'm the opposite. I can't digest milk without lactase pills so I usually drink soy, but mostly just in cereal. I like the taste better than milk anyway.
Probably an underlying gut issue. Soy usually isn’t the problem. It’s typically something else causing it.
@@Mrbobcat7be careful of store bought soy milk. Best to make your own. Some of the stuff in the store bought stuff has horrific ingredients
Phytoestrogens do NOT in fact act as estrogens in the body. What they do is compete for the receptors, so actual human estrogen cannot bind itself to them (extremely oversimplified obviously). This is why women should always avoid any food with phytoestrogens.
I wasn’t expecting such false information coming from you.
Yeah, I thought this was odd. I was under the impression that estrogens needed to be bio-identical to be absorbed by humans. Like I'm reaching back 20 years to science class. But that was a thing that stuck with me.
Yeah, I think I'm going to go with actual scientists on this one rather then some juice head with a degree from a no name school.
What? 😢 so much wasted time 😢 so many vegans mocked....I...I need to go lay down
The amount of soy that you'll have to eat to even have a noticeable estrogenic effect, you'd have to be in a food coma 24x7 😂
The problem is, most people in the US already have too much estrogen being promoted one way or another. Historically, testosterone is averaging at an all time low right now.
Ive been vegan for years and have been recently hitting some PR's that i couldnt get when i was in High School. Also fun fact, the same dudes that claim soy makes you gay in one breath, but will chug an entire gallon of cows milk, which has actual estrogen in it.
And milk still great for bulking, everything has some use depending of the person.
I avoid both milk and soy and I'm jacked so
Lmaaooo pressing X to doubt.
No one says soy makes you gay. Maybe you're projecting that one.
Also chugging down milk with ANIMAL estrogen, it has a good effect when testosterone is present as well, as Mike said, which the typical soy boy lacks.
It's not so much about having estrogen, as it is lacking testosterone.
"Soy boy" is not really about soy itself, but more of a person who is obviously physically weak.
@@ilias856 imagine thinking that testosterone somehow has some soy sensor and only works when meat and dairy is present LMAO cope harder buddy but I'm definitely in better shape than most meat eaters out there lol 😂😆🤣🤡🤡🤡😆🤣🤡
Sure mate, give it a decade
It’s the ingredients in soy protein and soy being highly GMO’d, not just soy itself is in the equation.
At least someone in the comments gets it.
@@Leester-70but he Doesn't get it. Mikes talking about the myth that soy creates estrogen, not saying take any soy even with gmo. GMOs do not effect estrogen and fear mongers and homophobes directly claimed soy was the literal issue with soy
ah yes more baseless claims and fear mongering because of “gmos”
Muh GMOs muh GMOs bro why don't you Go MOre outside and stop making baseless claims
Hmmm then why are countries with high soy content diets more lean and smaller in certain areas? Long term exposure? Other environmental factors?
He couldn’t be more
Wrong, it’s only good in very small amounts
Yeah Was vegetarian for 7 years and ate organic Tofu everyday with test at 700... now I eat meat and test is down to 590
Yes and no, estrogen needs to be balanced. Too low, your joints hurt and you have no sex drive. Too high and you have no sex drive
Phyto-estrogen doesn’t work the same as mammal estrogen in the human body
Soy is keeping him civilized...
And kinda gay
Phytoestrogens do not act like estrogens. This same guy says front squats are crap for muscles 🤣
Soy contains phytoestrogens I thought? Do correct me if I’m wrong
Ah, advice on sexual dimorphism from a ‘man’ the height of a small woman
Non gmo soy. Or fermented soy. 👍
Straight Soy not 👎 so much.
Maybe one day I'll be vegan, if that happens, soy will be better than no soy?
Alternatively: soy sauce, miso, natto, and tofu are all also soy based and can make some really damn good foods if you don't like other soy products
Made some serious gains on merely pea and soy protein so I was really confused by the start.
Tofu is just gross imo. But soy coffee creamer / milk is dope.
Says the guy who’s been on exogenous Testosterone for years !!
*_Yeah...but like, how often? Some tofu in a meal once a week?_*
soy propaganda
Good on , thought you were goin* to say . Usual crap about soy
no wonder chinese weightlifters are so jacked
Is blasting n cruising estrogen the new meta?🤔
Arnold did the same, gave bad advice to keep them all small
Naaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
Soy protein...not even once.
The estrogens in soy protein are so insignificant compared to being obese or morbidly obese in which fat mass secretes the less potent estrone. The really potent estrogen premenopausal women have comes from their ovaries called beta-estradiol, men have exponentially less of this, however a man can have just as much or even a little bit more beta estradiol than a post menopausal woman.
Supplementing estrogen. Got it!👍
I wish soy did what people think it does, otherwise I wouldn't have to pay $50+ a month for sublingual estradiol
More oestrogen for those "pec gains"...
Gonna be honest with you... If you had told me the opposite I'd still have Korean fried chicken with tofu fries for breakfast tomorrow. If people can smoke and still be fine I'll survive the "estrogen" in chicken and soy.
So low test soy=bad
High test soy= good
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Wooooo my tofu dinner is winning this.
Does it influence gyno though?
Wtf is this dude talkin about 😂.
I ate (1) soy and my balls exploded! Checkmate Dr. Mike!!
This jew promotes seed oils btw