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- In this video we take our Tesla model 3 standard range plus on a long road trip for our ski holiday to the French Alps. We drive the 1700 mile round trip in our all electric Tesla and use the supercharger network all across the UK and France. We would normally do this journey on our diesel VW camper van so it will be interesting to see how much longer it takes to do the journey in an electric car and whether it costs more or less.
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Waiting on a MYLR delivery in March. Great video: Informative, realistic and useful, you covered current cost savings, time and general long distance travel experience. Just what I was looking for! Thank you👍🏾
Thanks man, you will love the Tesla I’m sure!
Did a similar trip to Madrid in a Model X back in 2017 - so easy and so much fun - we found the charging made it more of a trip vs just a drive
I’d like to get down to Spain as well sometime, I’d the supercharger network as good down there?
Thanks for doing this very interesting. Will probably be doing this trip in our model Y next ski season 👍🏻
Hope you enjoy it!
Nice video thanks! I will do a similar trip coming winter from the netherlands to the alps good to see that range anxiety is something from the past
Great video, very informative and loaded with real-world data. 👍🏻
Glad you enjoyed it!
Really great informative video, keep them coming.
Terrific, thank you for doing this . I drive to the alps - bourg st Maurice , I’d love a model 3 but too much for me , great ski shots , thank you .
Thanks, I am glad you enjoyed it!
Traveled Europe several times in our M3lr and loved every moment. Our MYlr is being delivered beginning of March and already have our euro road trip booked. Thanks for the video. 👍🏻
I'd love the MY next I think, it might mean I would not even need a roof box as they are so much bigger.
Very interesting and informative 👍
Glad you enjoyed it
Hmmm great video ...very useful 👍Not sure I will be taking my Model 3 on a trip like this anytime soon - that seemed like quite hard work
really good video mate well done
At 2:50 you mentioned the Wh/mi being really low, but it's worth noting that part of that will be due to preconditioning, where it will use extra power to warm up the batteries so that your next charge can go much faster.
Between the standard range (instead of long range), speed, and roofbox, those are probably the biggest killers of range, as you mentioned within your video. However one additional thing to consider that can make a road trip worse in a standard range is that it's limited to 172 kW charging speed whereas the LRs can do 250 kW.
I’ve done Manchester to Switzerland on to Austria Vienna… all in a week… Back north home in. 75kW Model S. it was great. No issues and no longer than Fossil cars… but much nicer drive!!
wow that's a mega journey, good effort! yes, its so much nicer driving an Ev isn't it?
Great video, real world scenario and different weathers and even different country so really useful, I have a model Y on order and trying to soak up this kind of information to help with my anxiety about switching to an EV.
don't be nervous, life with an EV is so much better than having an ICE car whatever the right wing press would have you believe. As long as you can charge at home you never have to visit a petrol station ever again and you only need to use the superchargers on those ocassional 200 mile+ journeys. You will love it I'm sure!
Interesting 👍
Hey Jim. Great video, just posted my own on line. Proves you don’t need huge range when there are plenty of chargers. Your M3SR with a roofbox is more efficient than my etron! 130kph kills the range, just glad I didn’t need a roofbox too. Snow looked good up in VT.
My old diesel SUV is more convenient, but it’s a nicer more relaxing and less tiring journey by EV.
Thanks, I have just watched your video; great work. The roof box did kill the range somewhat but stopping every couple of hours was no big deal. I would like a bigger car at some point but we only do this trip once a year and the M3 is perfect for 99% of our journeys so not sure I can justify an upgrade just yet.
Really interesting! I want to do something more than a trip to the local Asda with our MYLR :)
haha, get out there and see where the supercharger network can take you!
@@evjim1612 Yes indeed, we do have a trip planned for April. Looking forward to the experience and the destination AirBnB has EV level 2 so not expecting any problems.
I just recommend some all season or winter tyers for such trips.
You can get a luggage box to fit on the tow hitch (assuming you have one) which would reduce your consumption as the box would be below the line of the rear window. Might be a good option for you if you do this journey more often.
we did not choose the tow hitch as an option but I think I would next time
Great video. Good to see that it appears Tesla has "finally" put the Trip and Odometer back at the bottom of the display so you don't have to go to the left menu and try and hit "trips" while driving and then fill the entire screen with Trip info!
I guess yours is one of the LFP batteries from China (Lithium Iron). 2 clues. The old style battery had menu displays discouraging 90-100% charges. Plus yours seems to get the faster charge of 170kW vs 145 peak in the old style SR+ battery (Lithium Manganese Cobalt) that I have. Not really much in it.
thank you mark, I am glad you enjoyed it. yes, its the 2022 LFP battery which allows 100% charging all the time and seems to be pretty efficient for everyday use. The trips cards seem to appear sometimes below the autopilot display and then others times disappear - is there a setting for it the you know of?
Great content...I too like to drive across Europe, and since my next car is planned to be a BEV (might be the RWD Model Y) - this is the sort of thing to view to learn more from others experience! :D
Can recommend TeslaBjorn's channel, I learnt a decent amount - you're with a roofbox, bad weather so your range is obviously heavily compromised. I would have figured that if you went slower (say 65mph - yes it's boring, but that's what autopilot on motorways is for) - you would get a lot better efficiency and might do longer legs in between chargers and overall end up faster as a result than going fast but at higher power cost?
thanks, I am glad you enjoyed it and yes, I watch all Bjorns video too. Maybe going slower would be better, it would be an interesting test but I don know if I could bring myself ton do it!
Try lower speed when using the roof box, it will increase your range with minor time increase between charges but overall you will gain time by heaving less stops to charge.
have you done this? what speed is best approximately?
If you can charge without waiting, driving faster will always result in shorter trip time, on the condition you charge to +-60% …. Yes you add more stops, but you will be faster lots of tests have proven this. If you charge like in this video, slower would be indeed faster. A nice way to simulate this is to use ABRP (or look for TeslaBjorn video’s if you do not trust ABRP)
Boxes and bicycles are a range killer. Def don't want SR with those.
Preheat w app.
What would be your experience if you decide to take some local round trips? I assume it wasn't possible because you don't have a charger in the hotel and there are zero superchargers in the mountains. Is Ev a good choice when you go to a distant place somewhere in mountains and then do some local trips?
really useful video thanks, my model 3 arrives next week! Which energy supplier/ tariff are you on, those overnight charging times seemed even cheaper than what I worked out? thanks!
thanks for watching! I am with Octopus Go but as of the end of January my overnight tariff has gone up to 10p per unit unfortunately so its costing me £0.02 - £0.025 per mile now. Still a bit cheaper than diesel or petrol eh?
I have a MYLR and I’m with Octopus on the Intelligent tariff, 7.5p cheap rate 11.30pm - 05.30am (I think it’s 10p now). Intelligent also charges your car at the cheaper rate between 5pm and 10am if on a scheduled charge (Ohme Pro), not sure which other chargers have the same functionality?
Don't charge in the morning with a cold battery. Charge after a day's road trip with a warm battery, in the evening, not in the morning.
It would be way quicker.
140 miles range... Gee!
Hand on heart - would have stopped as often with the van?
I think that was a slight miscalculation and was when the conditions were at their worst. The average range for the whole journey was around 170-180 miles but we probably stopped every 2 - 2.5 hours whereas we would stop every 3 or so in the van.
Don't forget that in the rain the maximum speed is 110 kph rather than 130 kph.
yes, that's correct
Literally just planned out this exact trip as a potential for next year, I have a M3LR, but that cost in comparisons to flying with transfers has put me right off! Was it easy to charge in resort?
I was able to charge it in the undercover parking area in Val Thorens but I am not sure if there are any other public chargers in the village. We don't fly anymore but as a family of 4 travelling in Christmas week I think it would still be cheaper for us to drive than it would have been to fly and get transfers - I have not checked that though.
In Val Thorens it's easy. Their public garages (which you need to use, unless staying in some fancy hotels with private parking) have chargers.
I find these EV trips interesting, genuinely .
thanks
Good real world record of the longest trip anyone in the UK is likely to make.
I am thinking we might try Austria next year which is a little bit further but yes I think you are right, this is about the furthest most people from the UK would ever drive and its totally do-able.
Not sure it’s for me yet, just seems a lot of faff. Think I’ll stick with my diesel SUV for my ski trips to France, only needs one fill up to get me from Calais to VT. Would drive me nuts having to keep stopping every 150 miles.
I know what you are saying but we used to stop every 3 hours for a coffee anyway so stopping slightly more frequently seemed fine. Also, when driving, the Tesla is so much nicer than our diesel van - the basic autopilot takes a lot of the effort out of the journey.
Same here. Not something I would want to take on long trips requiring more than one charge. People say well you need s break anyways and you can use that time to grab a bite or stretch your legs. Well an EV pretty much dictates when.and where you should take a break. With a fossil fuel vehicle you decide when and where you want to take a break pretty much because gas stations are everywhere and takes only a few minutes to fill to full unlike an electric vehicle which charges to only about 85% on the road and takes longer.
@@bubbalo3388 in France you can pretty much plug in wherever you can get fossil fuels so its not that big an inconvenience. Also, for the other 51 weeks of the year when I am not driving to the mountains I don't have to visit a petrol/gas station and fill up my vehicle at great expense - my car has a full tank of electrons every morning!
@@evjim1612 yeah in the U.S. they are kind of scattered and not found at every petrol station. I mean they aren't scarce but they aren't like everywhere like a petrol station. And an EV with short range may he an inconvenience for people who don't have their own personal access to a charger like people in apartments for example. Sure some apartments have a few charging stations available but you can't leave it plugged overnight and hog it and hopefully not all the spots aren't taken up. So an EV with low range will be an inconvenience for people who don't have ther own personal access to a charger since they will need to hook up more often.
I have a hybrid and I fill up like every week and a half and it takes just a few minutes cause my tank is only 11 gallons from empty. I like to take day trips that sometimes take about 6 hours round trip so the drive alone eats up a chunk of the day already. So I want to make the most of my time and enjoy every minute of it.
Right now there are only a few EVs out there that have a high range per charge but they are ridiculously expensive.
Great video, very interesting, but spending 5 extra hours in the car not very compelling, your kids didn't seem convinced either. We drove to Tignes in our X5 at Xmas, only 1 ⛽️ stop required each way and probably more comfortable. We will buy an EV but will wait for the 300 real world milers to arrive.
thank you. yes, its not for everyone yet that's for sure but there is no way we could do it with just 1 stop anyway, we like to break it up a bit. The model S long range would probably do 300 miles in the real world but if you like your X5 then the model X would probably suit you better. Once you get one you will think the slight inconvenience is worth it I'm sure!
@@evjim1612 For me Tesla’s are far too bland, inside and out, an acquired taste with a great network, but not for me, been driving German cars too long.
@@simonhobbs9097 fair enough, I quite like the minimalist effect but I can see why people also like more traditional high-end interiors too
Isn't the camper van more spacious though? I feel like if you took a petrol sedan which is more like the Tesla in terms of space you'd average better than 30 mpg.
yes you are probably right but we only the van as an alternative vehicle for this trip so I compared that. I think in a modern diesel car like a BMW you would get 40 MPG+ in those conditions so the overall cost of the journey would be closer to the Tesla for sure. The rest of the year round though there Is no comparison when the EV costs me 1-2 per mile depending on tariff and solar generation
The rooftop container probably required 20 %+ more energy.
Yes I think that’s probably right
@@evjim1612 The wet, cold, fast driving and the carrier might have been a 40 % hit. Can't you squeeze everything in without the carrier?
@@leeoldershaw956 no, we have 3 snowboards, boots and bindings plus everything else
Did you get winter tires?
no, I took snow chains and luckily I did not have to use them.
@@evjim1612 I'm pretty sure it's a requirement in the Alps region, careful next time 😄
@@flaviouk I think you just need snow chains in your vehicle but I might be wrong, I will check again next year
It’s either carry chains or have winter tyres. This winter and next that means a M+S tyre, in future you’ll need the 3 mountain peak symbol. Fit all seasons like Crossclimates and you’ll always be fine in all weather.
@@ski_tron2446 ok, I'll have look at those when I need to change my current tyres.
Your tyres look like they are a bit flat???
no, 42psi all round I think, the car would let me know otherwise
What a s l o w drive down and back, in our PHEV from calais to VT takes about 8.5 hours, why by electric and waste so much time charging?
Sorry mate but a PHEV was just a stepping stone to pure electric vehicles. Why buy a car with a battery that still has an engine and all the peripherals that need servicing? A PHEV maybe slightly more convenient on the odd long trip but they are soon to be obsolete.
For my uses I would prefer a PHEV with at least a 50 mile all electric range also. For everyday use i would pretty much be using electricity all the time but I wouldn't have range anxiety and I can take it on long trips without being tied to chargers. People say you're hauling an engine as dead weight well a larger battery isn't exactly light either.
If i.were to get an EV it would need at least around a 500 mile range. But most offer around 250 and that is too little for me for my needs. I have a hybrid now that gets between 47-50 mpg and about 600 miles on one tank.
@@bubbalo3388 fair enough if that works for you, its probably. a good compromise for some people but then you still have all the associated costs of servicing an ICE car don't you?
@@evjim1612 yeah but cars these days have longer intervals between oil changes and what other maintenance. And realistically there isn't much people do other than oil changes and an air filter here and there even though they say you need to do this and that anytime you take it in for something. Also tires on EVs need tend to wear out faster and are more expensive.
Also the cost difference of an EV vs a fossil fuel car is substantial upfront. If I buy a PHEV that costs 50k vs spending 70k for an EV for example, that's 20k I have to spend on gas and maintenance. So essentially with an EV I would be paying for electricity up front. And if I get rid of it before I make that money back then I lose money. I mean if I were going to spend the same amount on a PHEV anyway and there was a comparable cost EV then it would make sense to buy the EV. But the EV would still need to have a high enough range for me to make it practical for my needs because I want the freedom and range of a PHEV.
Not knocking your choice. Different strokes for different folks. If I were to get an EV it would have to have at least 450 plus range for me personally.
Interesting video but a lot of faffing around. And quite expensive too. Your costing while cheaper compared to the van needs to be compared to a similar size car. Our Bmw 4series diesel, similar size to the Tesla,has a loaded range of around 900km's at a cost of roughly 100euro per tank. So the same journey could be done in less time, without any worries for about 350euro. Id love one for running around town but for trips they are not for me yet Im afraid.
Yes, it’s not the ideal car for this journey but I only do it once a year and the rest of the time it costs me between £0.01 and £0.02 per mile to drive as I charge at home. The sacrifice of 2.5 hours each way once a year is far outweighed by the pleasure of owning the Tesla all year around. Ps I have done this journey in a diesel xc90 as well and would still choose to do it in the Tesla every time
Waste of time doing 80mph with a roof box. 60mph is probably optimal
Just buy a diesel instead