Man!!! Those were the days! Great hockey and you could speak what was on your mind without people crying about it. Glad I was alive in the 80’s and 90’s
@alpha-male1959 • I agree with your comment big time. It’s crazy to watch some of these older Don Cherry 🍒 hockey night in Canada 🇨🇦 broadcasts where as you said you could speak your mind with little to no consequences unlike so many of today’s snowflakes who would be quick to say i’m offended lol
@@tonyp9313 What politics was he talking about when they fired him ? He was asked by vets to ask people to wear a POPPY on Remembrance Day and he said how disgusted he was that most Canadians were not wearing them any more and disrespecting what our Vets did for us and then went on to say how disgusting it was for immigrants to come to our country and take advantage of the freedoms we have thx to our VETS and not wear a POPPY , He referred to all immigrants as you people and was some how branded a RACIST though there are plenty of white immigrants . He was right then and he is still right today .
@@mlscards1761 no he didnt lmao, hes made that clear multiple times. Pocklington needed money. Thats why the oilers got 15 million cash for him. Gretzky's dad had to convince him to even play for LA.
@@j.francismacdonald1506 Just like they are doing today, which is not worth watching in my opinion. Not that I want anyone to get injured, but the game has drastically changed to Euro-hockey.. its boring.
Love Cherry, but this is balones. It was a great trade for Toronto. Sundin was one of the best forwards of his generation. The Leafs' problem was that they played fire-wagon hockey in the dead puck era...and still almost made the finals 3 times. The 'trap era' was dominated by Lemaire's NJ, Dallas for a year, Detroit (who had 4 lines of 2 way players all bought with big bucks, Colorado (who had a stiff depth from the Lindros trade + Sakic and Roy). The Leafs were on the wrong side of the trend here, but they would not have made the conference finals 3 times with Clark and not Sundin.
the made the conference finals twice during the Sundin era. The trade was good in the sense that Wendel was nearing the end of his career while Sundin was still young. on the other hand, the leafs sucked badly for 4 years after that trade, although if they had kept the 93-94 lineup intact they would have likely have still gone down hill.
@SupremePrestige The trade looked great from day one. Sundin was younger and had scored 79 goals and 199 points the previous 2 seasons before the trade. Clark scored 53 goals and 115 points the previous 2 seasons. Real Leaf fans love Clark, but they knew on DAY 1 that Fletcher, the GM had traded for the first real superstar in Leaf Nation since Darryl Sittler. Case closed.
I don't mind the trade, Sundin turned out to be one of the greatest players of all-time. I just wished Clark stayed with the Nordiques and than to Colorado. He would have won a cup if he stayed with that team. But saying that he wouldn't have met his wife in New York, so it's meant to be.
I loved Wendel, but mats was a point a game player. As well as being a plus. Wendel wasn't close in either categories. But man, was he fun to watch play.
Sundin in the Hall Of Fame. Loved Clarkc who as Cherry says played incredible that year! Clark's style of play took years of fhis career with and was always hurt. He never came close to 46 goals a season again. Fletcher traded him when his value was at an all time high and fleeced Québec in this trade.
they have fleeced Quebec as far as skills and age but they won the cup twice in Colorado and as someone that watched Quebec play, them getting Clark completely changed Sakic's game. He would never have become the player he became without Wendel. He went from a one dimensional skilled player to someone that was leaving it all on the ice at every shift inspired by Wendel's determination. Sundin was great but Quebec getting WC was a great investment.
@johnny Clark wasn’t even on those cup teams. Roy was the reason that the Avs got over the hump. The lindros trade also. The acquisition of Clark had zero to do with it.
Wendel Clark is my favourite Leaf of all time hands down, but this was an excellent trade for the Leafs. Unfortunately, with Clark's inability to stay healthy, you just can't continue to build around a guy like that. Sundin went on to become one of the best Leafs ever. Luckily for us Leafs fans, we still got to see Clark's best years.
@@mottom2033 yes we made the conference finals twice in 1999 and 2002. We also made it to the second round plenty of times and we where always a playoff contender until after the lokout.
Spoiler: Don was super wrong as sundin went on to become the Godliest Leaf of all time...imagine they built a fucking team around him instead of berezin and hoglund...guys like that LOL
he was the godliest leaf during the time that followed this trade, but nowhere close to of all time, a dozen players from the leafs of the late 1940s, and from the mid-1960s, along with Darryl Sittler are held in higher esteem.
For that season (94-95) Grapes was right about the Leafs not getting over the hump. (They lost first round to Chicago) They never were as dominant after that trade. Sundin was a great hockey player for a long time with the Leafs, but not nearly as tough and nasty as Wendel was. The Leafs never made up for the lack of toughness that Wendel had and, coincidentally, have never gotten over that hump.
Wendel lovers have to get a bit of a grip...he wasn't the same player after that season and they wouldn't have won the cup. It was a great trade but Leafs management never surrounded Sundin with any half decent talent 🤷🏼♂️
well they did get Wendel back a year and a half later. i can see how a leafs fan would at first feel bad about this trade, but Mats was a far better all around player and five years younger. that Toronto didn't get past the semis while Mats was there wasn't his fault. here is a case where grapes' love for Wendel and distaste for Swedes gets the best of him.
mats is A good play but he is play for money not like wendel he is play with hert ! mats is a big man how many time some one come to he he will go sit on the ice he is big shit ! the last year he said he want stay in toronto then take 10 M go to VAN
Brinthan Kasinathan yes, but that cost them a first round pick (4th overall which turned into Luongo). It’s not like he came back as a free agent. I still think it was a good deal for Toronto though. They had Sundin for what? 15 years or so? Clark played one season in Quebec. I get how it was hard to move Clark. Gutsy move, but I think it was the right call in the long run.
@@yokleu7570 Wtf, It was never about the money..... Sundin always wanted to stay with Toronto, but it was his loyalty that cost him. Since he wouldn't wave his no trade clause the year before Leafs said they wouldn't re-sign him.
@@MyName_Jeff Sundin screwed over both himself and the Leafs in 2008. That was the year the Wings won the Cup and the Wings really wanted Sundin. He could have gone and won himself a Cup alongside some fellow Swedes and helped the Leafs begin a rebuild with some good assets, instead he refused and left anyways. He never won a Cup and the Leafs got absolutely nothing. Just boggles my mind. Anyone in their right mind knew the Leafs weren't going to win the Cup that year.
It's amazing to see people here say this trade was bad for the Leafs when you can easily see with the benefit of hindsight that Clark never had another really good season in his entire career.
Clark is a legend, the trade hurt him as much as the leafs. He stays in Toronto we win the cup. A shame that he was traded. Trade 2-3 first rounders for Sundin but keep Clark.. he was the heart of the team.
Neither one of them helped the Leafs win a cup, so what's the point of this? Players get traded, cut, sent down and called up all the time. Clark was traded by the Leafs at least 2 more times after this, and then brought back to a King's welcome on each return occasion ... and still they never won the cup! 55 Years and counting.
I feel the trade effected Wendel's play, hurt his heart, more than his beat up body, I would feel pretty betrayed, playing my heart out sacrificing my health, the man loved being a leaf, not saying that mats didn't, Wendel had so much passion for it, it's too bad Wendel was the piece to get mats
I grew up idolizing Wendel Clark so when he went to Québec i was bummed out of course & agreed with Don Cherry here but obviously that big trade went in Toronto’s favour as #13 Mats Sundin would be Toronto’s big super star player for years to come & being their clutch player so many times & eventually #17 Wendel Clark would make his return to Toronto 🤙
How have I never seen this before? Is Wendel Clark the most overrated player in Leafs history? Holy. He average 54 games a season, maybe a bit more if you take the later years out. Had a very high peak for like 2-3 years but other than that wasn't anything special (basically todays Lucic). Meanwhile Sundin was an elite center for 15 years. Hilarious.
Trading Wendel at his peak when the leafs were gelling as a cohesive team with personality and power was shocking to say the least. When I first heard about it I thought it was a joke. They wee on track to win the cup. That trade destroyed the leafs.
Oh, geez... You can really see where Don tries to put his biased, anti-non-Canadian slant in there. At the time of the trade both had three 30 goal seasons... The difference? Sundin had only played in 4 NHL seasons, Clark had played in 9. He was the heart and soul, sure, but he was also often injured. His durability was always a question. Sundin had played 80 games in every season. Clark had played more than 70 just once. This was a great trade and proved to be a fantastic deal for the team. Even at the time, while Clark was a supremely skilled folk hero of the Every-Man in Toronto, Sundin was a special player and he was coming to Toronto. But, because he's Swedish, Don hated it. Story of his career.
not much of a fan of either player but when you play tough hit and fight you do become injured and have a shorter career. when you do not hit or fight and float you do rarely get hurt. when the going gets tough the tough get going and that is when you need a wendal clark.
@ ...and Clark was a shell of himself after the season the Leafs traded him, while Sundin had a good career on weaker Leaf teams. They made it to the same number of Semi-Finals as they did with Clark, so not sure what you're smoking.
Gotta hand it to grapes...he said the Leafs wouldn't get back to the final 4 and he was right. They dropped in the standings and were out in the first round!
I agree with the premise of this argument but not only was Sundin a centre, younger and a future hall of famer but most importantly Clark’s disc’s in his bad were starting to get arthritic at the time of this deal. Clark was never the same past his first 3 or 4 seasons, he went as hard as I’ve ever seen a player go. It’s no wonder he broke down physically fighting and hitting those much much bigger guys
Sometimes I’m ashamed of being a Scorpio bcz we have passionate likes and dislikes! Meaning STRONGLY for or against . This trade of my fave player gave me very hateful thoughts of Matt Sundin & it wasn’t even his FAULT ! It’s my nature so I try to keep dislikes on the down-low. “Grapes” is right on!!! BTW-Wendel is also a Scorpio!!♏️🦂
One of the few things I agree with him on. Not that it should've been Gilmour, or Andreychuk but someone else. Not knocking Quebec either and it's a pity Quebec still doesn't have a team
Ron MacLean, without googling, I don’t think that’s accurate! By conference final, do you mean the third round? I think 93-94 was the last time they made it out of the second round.
@@bigsteed007 they made it to the conference finals twice with sundin...first in 1998 against buffalo who went on to lose to Dallas and again in 2002 against Carolina who went on to lose to a stacked detroit red wings team
But Sundin didn't have what Clark did in the locker room and on the ice....grit. Sundin was great, no doubt, but trading Clark took the heart out of Toronto. Getting Clark back didn't help. The damage had been done. Shame.
Wrong about Sundin: He ended up being the greatest Leaf of all time. He also helped carry the team to two final four appearances. After the trade, Clark didn't do much and we screwed ourselves for trading for him in 96.
Donnie is RIGHT !!! Clark should have NEVER BEEN TRADED period Sundin is good but not close to Clark and that ASS BEATING that Marty took was a CLASSIC
love to see cherry's reaction to this video now...boy was he wrong lol...best trade in leafs history sundin is franchise leader and greatest leaf of all time. and i love wendel clark
@@zalapski9399 um didnt make one with Clarke...sundin was a point per game player and clark never had another 40 goal season...his career was basically over by 1999
For the Nords it was pretty much a leadership trade. They had many skilled guys but they lacked that spark. Pierre Lacroix when he was named GM asked his guys "who is the biggest leader in the league?". A few names were dropped like Patrick Roy and Wendel. He could not get Roy(at that point in time) but he phoned the Leafs for Clark and then the deal was made. I think he gave out way too much but let me say that Wendel was absolutely gold for Sakic. He completely changed his game. Sakic became more determined and it helped him win the cup a few years later with Colorado.
Wendel Clark was the best Leaf ever then Doug Gilmore Matt's Sundian was good but was not as good as those to.If Clark didn't fight and hit he could have got over 50 ever many times.in 1993 They almost went all the way because of Clark and Gilmore.
0TruckMafk ☢TM™" AKA: The CommentSection BadAss!!! so why he a better captain a better player then him and wedle clack did nothing when he left the blue and white and mats Sundin scored more then 500 goal if i had a choice to start a team with it will be mat Sundin then that overatted goon
All we did was acquire a future-hall-of-famer who did guide us twice to conference finals in the late 90s and early 2000s Love Clark but outside of Toronto he was just known as an average player
Man!!! Those were the days!
Great hockey and you could speak what was on your mind without people crying about it.
Glad I was alive in the 80’s and 90’s
Don Cherry was awesome, always looked forward to see what he was going to say on the coaches corner. Love those suits and tie's!
@alpha-male1959 • I agree with your comment big time. It’s crazy to watch some of these older Don Cherry 🍒 hockey night in Canada 🇨🇦 broadcasts where as you said you could speak your mind with little to no consequences unlike so many of today’s snowflakes who would be quick to say i’m offended lol
Sissy Ass hockey today with sissy Ass computerized billboards that f%$3k up the game Click no more hockey for me after 40 years
Before the internet. So Don Cherry had to talk about hockey. He actually stuck to hockey rather than all the bs politics that got him fired.
@@tonyp9313 What politics was he talking about when they fired him ? He was asked by vets to ask people to wear a POPPY on Remembrance Day and he said how disgusted he was that most Canadians were not wearing them any more and disrespecting what our Vets did for us and then went on to say how disgusting it was for immigrants to come to our country and take advantage of the freedoms we have thx to our VETS and not wear a POPPY , He referred to all immigrants as you people and was some how branded a RACIST though there are plenty of white immigrants . He was right then and he is still right today .
The loss of Lefebvre actually hurt more imo. Sundin for Clark was a fleece job overall by Toronto though 👌
Should have played his whole career as a Maple Leaf.
That's not how the business of hockey works!!
What about Wayne Gretzky? He should have played his entire career as Oiler. But unfortunately, hockey is a business.
@@bmoshareholderappleshareho855 lol Gretzky wanted to leave.
@@mlscards1761 no he didnt lmao, hes made that clear multiple times. Pocklington needed money. Thats why the oilers got 15 million cash for him. Gretzky's dad had to convince him to even play for LA.
@@mp40submachinegun81 lol ok…
Too many europeans, and too many visors!
After what happened to Bryan Berard in 2000, everybody, including Cherry, stoppped critizing the visors.
@@tomkat5626 There will always be freak accidents in sport...
@@j.francismacdonald1506 Yes, but that injury was highly preventable if he wore a visor lol
@@figo7ronaldo possibly... I'm not so sure.
Regardless, I suppose they could eliminate all injuries but the game wouldn't be worth watching.
@@j.francismacdonald1506 Just like they are doing today, which is not worth watching in my opinion. Not that I want anyone to get injured, but the game has drastically changed to Euro-hockey.. its boring.
Wenel was like a Best Friend to the Leafs.Nobody does that to a friend...EXCEPT Ron MacLean
To all the sissy bleeding hearts out there offended by Don's "You People Out There" He has said that for 35 years
Love Cherry, but this is balones. It was a great trade for Toronto. Sundin was one of the best forwards of his generation. The Leafs' problem was that they played fire-wagon hockey in the dead puck era...and still almost made the finals 3 times. The 'trap era' was dominated by Lemaire's NJ, Dallas for a year, Detroit (who had 4 lines of 2 way players all bought with big bucks, Colorado (who had a stiff depth from the Lindros trade + Sakic and Roy). The Leafs were on the wrong side of the trend here, but they would not have made the conference finals 3 times with Clark and not Sundin.
the made the conference finals twice during the Sundin era. The trade was good in the sense that Wendel was nearing the end of his career while Sundin was still young. on the other hand, the leafs sucked badly for 4 years after that trade, although if they had kept the 93-94 lineup intact they would have likely have still gone down hill.
@SupremePrestige Hindsight is how one judges whether a trade was good or not Bud. So it was a good trade.
@SupremePrestige The trade looked great from day one. Sundin was younger and had scored 79 goals and 199 points the previous 2 seasons before the trade. Clark scored 53 goals and 115 points the previous 2 seasons. Real Leaf fans love Clark, but they knew on DAY 1 that Fletcher, the GM had traded for the first real superstar in Leaf Nation since Darryl Sittler. Case closed.
Clark is the only Leafs Jersey I own and I would still trade him for Sundin... hindsight and all that
Love Wendel but he was on the down side of his career, Sundin was a steal
"Not gonna pick my spots" true to his word he never did!
Ron McLean on the other hand...
I MISS DON CHERRY HE WAS ALWAYS HONEST
I don't mind the trade, Sundin turned out to be one of the greatest players of all-time. I just wished Clark stayed with the Nordiques and than to Colorado. He would have won a cup if he stayed with that team. But saying that he wouldn't have met his wife in New York, so it's meant to be.
I loved Wendel, but mats was a point a game player. As well as being a plus. Wendel wasn't close in either categories. But man, was he fun to watch play.
Sundin in the Hall Of Fame. Loved Clarkc who as Cherry says played incredible that year! Clark's style of play took years of fhis career with and was always hurt. He never came close to 46 goals a season again. Fletcher traded him when his value was at an all time high and fleeced Québec in this trade.
they have fleeced Quebec as far as skills and age but they won the cup twice in Colorado and as someone that watched Quebec play, them getting Clark completely changed Sakic's game. He would never have become the player he became without Wendel. He went from a one dimensional skilled player to someone that was leaving it all on the ice at every shift inspired by Wendel's determination. Sundin was great but Quebec getting WC was a great investment.
@johnny Clark wasn’t even on those cup teams. Roy was the reason that the Avs got over the hump. The lindros trade also. The acquisition of Clark had zero to do with it.
@@alwillk I'm talking about BEFORE the Nords left for Colorado. What he did for Sakic was huge in his development.
@Paul Revere So Clark went to NJ? interesting. Lemieux was huge for Colorado
@@johnnyskinwalker4095 but Sundin wouldn't be huge for the Avs? who's to say the Avs wouldn't have won MORE Cups with Sundin, which is probable
I feel like Toronto was bitter and didnt accept Sundin with love.
Leafs fleeced em!
wow... i see myself 3 years ago making a comment on this video...i am back and still hate Mclean....
and we all still agree Maclean is a spineless douche
Wendel Clark is my favourite Leaf of all time hands down, but this was an excellent trade for the Leafs. Unfortunately, with Clark's inability to stay healthy, you just can't continue to build around a guy like that. Sundin went on to become one of the best Leafs ever. Luckily for us Leafs fans, we still got to see Clark's best years.
Wrong, they didn’t make the hump like cherry said. Did they get past the second round after the trade ?
Got there twice once against buf and njd they got the twice With clark to la and van
@@mottom2033 yes we made the conference finals twice in 1999 and 2002.
We also made it to the second round plenty of times and we where always a playoff contender until after the lokout.
Love Clark but Leafs sucked at development so they had to trade for an elite center. Also Leafs knew how banged up Wendel was.
Only because he sacraficed himself for team and team mates...NOBODY else was the man he was.
@@martytruelove5026 bro give it a rest the leafs rinsed the Nordiques with that trade and they got Wendell back 2 years later
Spoiler: Don was super wrong as sundin went on to become
the Godliest Leaf of all time...imagine they built a fucking team around
him instead of berezin and hoglund...guys like that LOL
ryan phillips Yo Sundin was suppose to win them the cup, he never did. Don was right.
One guy can't win the cup alone, they need help
Don was wrong...and I'm a huge Wendel fan.
he was the godliest leaf during the time that followed this trade, but nowhere close to of all time, a dozen players from the leafs of the late 1940s, and from the mid-1960s, along with Darryl Sittler are held in higher esteem.
Love Don! God, loves Don ...keep it simple
How could you not...Don knows Hockey...Loves Canada and Children...gets behind Canadians serving past or presently.
For that season (94-95) Grapes was right about the Leafs not getting over the hump. (They lost first round to Chicago) They never were as dominant after that trade. Sundin was a great hockey player for a long time with the Leafs, but not nearly as tough and nasty as Wendel was. The Leafs never made up for the lack of toughness that Wendel had and, coincidentally, have never gotten over that hump.
Gary Roberts did the job when he was with them. After Gary, they've never had a goal scorer with sand.
Sundin made it to two conference finals. Same as Clark
Charles Evers everything you said was right on the money, I wish other people were as smart as you.... great job...
Wendel lovers have to get a bit of a grip...he wasn't the same player after that season and they wouldn't have won the cup. It was a great trade but Leafs management never surrounded Sundin with any half decent talent 🤷🏼♂️
I love Mats but trading the heart and soul of the team like Toronto did was just wrong.
well they did get Wendel back a year and a half later. i can see how a leafs fan would at first feel bad about this trade, but Mats was a far better all around player and five years younger. that Toronto didn't get past the semis while Mats was there wasn't his fault. here is a case where grapes' love for Wendel and distaste for Swedes gets the best of him.
mats is A good play but he is play for money not like wendel he is play with hert ! mats is a big man how many time some one come to he he will go sit on the ice he is big shit ! the last year he said he want stay in toronto then take 10 M go to VAN
Brinthan Kasinathan yes, but that cost them a first round pick (4th overall which turned into Luongo). It’s not like he came back as a free agent. I still think it was a good deal for Toronto though. They had Sundin for what? 15 years or so? Clark played one season in Quebec. I get how it was hard to move Clark. Gutsy move, but I think it was the right call in the long run.
@@yokleu7570 Wtf, It was never about the money..... Sundin always wanted to stay with Toronto, but it was his loyalty that cost him. Since he wouldn't wave his no trade clause the year before Leafs said they wouldn't re-sign him.
@@MyName_Jeff Sundin screwed over both himself and the Leafs in 2008. That was the year the Wings won the Cup and the Wings really wanted Sundin. He could have gone and won himself a Cup alongside some fellow Swedes and helped the Leafs begin a rebuild with some good assets, instead he refused and left anyways. He never won a Cup and the Leafs got absolutely nothing. Just boggles my mind. Anyone in their right mind knew the Leafs weren't going to win the Cup that year.
It's amazing to see people here say this trade was bad for the Leafs when you can easily see with the benefit of hindsight that Clark never had another really good season in his entire career.
Clark is a legend, the trade hurt him as much as the leafs. He stays in Toronto we win the cup. A shame that he was traded. Trade 2-3 first rounders for Sundin but keep Clark.. he was the heart of the team.
@@jamest6819 clarke was another overrated garbage canadian player
Neither one of them helped the Leafs win a cup, so what's the point of this? Players get traded, cut, sent down and called up all the time. Clark was traded by the Leafs at least 2 more times after this, and then brought back to a King's welcome on each return occasion ... and still they never won the cup! 55 Years and counting.
In case anyone was wondering if the you people comment was his first. The guy just couldn't keep his mouth shut.
I feel the trade effected Wendel's play, hurt his heart, more than his beat up body, I would feel pretty betrayed, playing my heart out sacrificing my health, the man loved being a leaf, not saying that mats didn't, Wendel had so much passion for it, it's too bad Wendel was the piece to get mats
I grew up idolizing Wendel Clark so when he went to Québec i was bummed out of course & agreed with Don Cherry here but obviously that big trade went in Toronto’s favour as #13 Mats Sundin would be Toronto’s big super star player for years to come & being their clutch player so many times & eventually #17 Wendel Clark would make his return to Toronto 🤙
great move
I wouldve given Baumgartner and three first rounders to keep Wendell and bring Mats to torona
How have I never seen this before? Is Wendel Clark the most overrated player in Leafs history? Holy. He average 54 games a season, maybe a bit more if you take the later years out. Had a very high peak for like 2-3 years but other than that wasn't anything special (basically todays Lucic).
Meanwhile Sundin was an elite center for 15 years. Hilarious.
Tree said it best who the fuck is Mats Sundin lol
Trading Wendel at his peak when the leafs were gelling as a cohesive team with personality and power was shocking to say the least. When I first heard about it I thought it was a joke. They wee on track to win the cup. That trade destroyed the leafs.
Leafs suck now. Love the old teams
Oh come on Wendel never came close to being as good after the trade. It was a great trade and Leafs probably would not have won the cup with Wendel
Oh, geez... You can really see where Don tries to put his biased, anti-non-Canadian slant in there. At the time of the trade both had three 30 goal seasons... The difference? Sundin had only played in 4 NHL seasons, Clark had played in 9. He was the heart and soul, sure, but he was also often injured. His durability was always a question. Sundin had played 80 games in every season. Clark had played more than 70 just once. This was a great trade and proved to be a fantastic deal for the team. Even at the time, while Clark was a supremely skilled folk hero of the Every-Man in Toronto, Sundin was a special player and he was coming to Toronto. But, because he's Swedish, Don hated it. Story of his career.
not much of a fan of either player but when you play tough hit and fight you do become injured and have a shorter career. when you do not hit or fight and float you do rarely get hurt. when the going gets tough the tough get going and that is when you need a wendal clark.
LOL GTFO with that stupid comment.
Ummm Mats Sundin was a franchise player for over a decade for Toronto.
@ ...and Clark was a shell of himself after the season the Leafs traded him, while Sundin had a good career on weaker Leaf teams. They made it to the same number of Semi-Finals as they did with Clark, so not sure what you're smoking.
@ Your are absolutely 100 percent right...
Yeah a franchise that didn't win squat
@@ericw3229 😭😭
Gotta hand it to grapes...he said the Leafs wouldn't get back to the final 4 and he was right. They dropped in the standings and were out in the first round!
Leafs were in the eastern conference final against Carolina when Carolina won the cup...
@@MrVigilanti carolina lost in the finals to detroit that year, they didnt win the cup till '06 and the leafs missed the playoffs that year
@@jonrolph3589 and youre point?
@@masqerader Did your mom smoke crack while you were in the womb?
The Leafs made the final four twice with Sundin (99, 02) which is the same number as with Clark (93, 94)
Wendel for Sundin… who won the trade?
It was kinda of good trade but Clark was good at that time
miss you grapes your right on
I agree with the premise of this argument but not only was Sundin a centre, younger and a future hall of famer but most importantly Clark’s disc’s in his bad were starting to get arthritic at the time of this deal.
Clark was never the same past his first 3 or 4 seasons, he went as hard as I’ve ever seen a player go. It’s no wonder he broke down physically fighting and hitting those much much bigger guys
Shut up Ron! Let Don talk.....
Don should have CUFFED him !
Fuck that cockroach.
Only about hockey, not cultural, political, or economic issues....it's why Sportsnet fired him. =P
Such a poorly managed franchise.
agreed that 1994 trade was just retarded...
Don is right ✅ as usual 😄 ...don't make em like Don, to often
Sometimes I’m ashamed of being a Scorpio bcz we have passionate likes and dislikes! Meaning STRONGLY for or against . This trade of my fave player gave me very hateful thoughts of Matt Sundin & it wasn’t even his FAULT ! It’s my nature so I try to keep dislikes on the down-low. “Grapes” is right on!!!
BTW-Wendel is also a Scorpio!!♏️🦂
Don knows.... and that’s all there is to it.
One of the few things I agree with him on. Not that it should've been Gilmour, or Andreychuk but someone else. Not knocking Quebec either and it's a pity Quebec still doesn't have a team
The more I listen to grapes over the years, the more I am convinced he knows shit about hockey.
He was right about them not making it that far again.
They made it to the Conference finals with Sundin, just as far as they did with Clark.
Cherry is knowledgeable. You can't be right all the time.
Ron MacLean, without googling, I don’t think that’s accurate! By conference final, do you mean the third round? I think 93-94 was the last time they made it out of the second round.
@@bigsteed007 they made it to the conference finals twice with sundin...first in 1998 against buffalo who went on to lose to Dallas and again in 2002 against Carolina who went on to lose to a stacked detroit red wings team
Wendel and Dougie... Leafs dream team.
I miss the dream team of that day
Don was dead wrong here. What did Clark do from 1995 to 2000? Sundin went on to have a hall of fame career.
But Sundin didn't have what Clark did in the locker room and on the ice....grit. Sundin was great, no doubt, but trading Clark took the heart out of Toronto. Getting Clark back didn't help. The damage had been done. Shame.
Wrong about Sundin: He ended up being the greatest Leaf of all time. He also helped carry the team to two final four appearances. After the trade, Clark didn't do much and we screwed ourselves for trading for him in 96.
You can't include the '02 run cuz he got hurt in the Islanders series
Carry?
Dave Keon would disagree
Sundin greatest Leaf..... Clark was a legend
no lol
@Dennis Bastek jr. agreed 100 percent with your theory Dennis
Donnie is RIGHT !!! Clark should have NEVER BEEN TRADED period Sundin is good but not close to Clark and that ASS BEATING that Marty took was a CLASSIC
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Bad trade i remember
Yup ...to many, to many
love to see cherry's reaction to this video now...boy was he wrong lol...best trade in leafs history sundin is franchise leader and greatest leaf of all time. and i love wendel clark
Dave Keon is the GLOAT. He has the cups to prove that.
Best trade in leafs history
How? Leafs never even made it to the Cup finals with Sundin. Guy was very good but overrated.
@@zalapski9399 um didnt make one with Clarke...sundin was a point per game player and clark never had another 40 goal season...his career was basically over by 1999
For the Nords it was pretty much a leadership trade. They had many skilled guys but they lacked that spark. Pierre Lacroix when he was named GM asked his guys "who is the biggest leader in the league?". A few names were dropped like Patrick Roy and Wendel. He could not get Roy(at that point in time) but he phoned the Leafs for Clark and then the deal was made. I think he gave out way too much but let me say that Wendel was absolutely gold for Sakic. He completely changed his game. Sakic became more determined and it helped him win the cup a few years later with Colorado.
Best trade the Leafs ever made!... and I love Clark.
Lol.
Disgrace! Dumbest move ever made. Love you Wendel!
Curse of Wendel Clark is like the Babe Ruth curse. You should NEVER have traded him! Never will the Stanley cup. Ever.
You are aware that they brought him back...TWICE?
Vince Stiener they'll win in someday, and looking at the upcoming team it'll be sooner then later
Doesn't matter they traded him ONCE, that fucked them forever, sorry.
How did it fuck them up? Wendel did very little from 1995 to 2000, whereas Sundin went on to have a hall of fame career!!!
TheSnowdolphin I hope you don't actually believe that supernatural bullshit
Wendel Clark was the best Leaf ever then Doug Gilmore Matt's Sundian was good but was not as good as those to.If Clark didn't fight and hit he could have got over 50 ever many times.in 1993 They almost went all the way because of Clark and Gilmore.
At the time I hated this trade. Who ever predicted that Sundin would become one the greatest Leafs of all time.
The leafs could use another Clark these days especially crossing paths with the bruins in the playoffs
They got Wendy back so a toronto win for everyone ....
Cherry was never a forward thinker. He was a dinosaur when dinosaurs walked the earth
Quebec sorta got fleeced . Cherry is racist he didn't want a swede over a good ole Canadian, meanwhile Sundin had a HOF fame career
Toronto never recovered since this asinine trade! Worst trade in NHL history!
+0TruckMafk ☢TM™ wwhaaaaaat? Mats Sundin was incredible for Toronto. How dare you post that comment!
+0TruckMafk ☢TM™" AKA: The CommentSection BadAss!!! WERE YOU DROP WHEN YOUR A BABY?
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"*Drop* as a baby"?
0TruckMafk ☢TM™" AKA: The CommentSection BadAss!!! so why he a better captain a better player then him and wedle clack did nothing when he left the blue and white and mats Sundin scored more then 500 goal if i had a choice to start a team with it will be mat Sundin then that overatted goon
the worst trade was what Toronto gave up to get wendel back
All we did was acquire a future-hall-of-famer who did guide us twice to conference finals in the late 90s and early 2000s
Love Clark but outside of Toronto he was just known as an average player
Sundin was better than Clark.
Don is so funny. Who's going to protect Dougie from hits like this... the hit happened with Wendel on the ice...
Thank you don ,your the best ,always