I got to shoot my bow 🏹 today that you switched my Hamskea Primer from a cable driven rest to a limb driven rest as originally designed. The prusik knot 🪢 that you did held well and the rest is timed like a charm. Thank you 🙏🏻 again Nate. 🏹🦌
Love your empathy! I was about to throw my bow through a window watching AJ’s video (I love his stuff, but his angles were more difficult to follow). Appreciate your patience and content!
Nate. I tried your prusick for the cord. Worked great. But i did have some slippage because I don't think a standard prusick is tight enough when using same rope width. Prusick work best when the knot rope is a smaller diameter then main rope. So l tried a blake hitch knot that is used for DRT climbing. I think it works better because it pinch the tag end. Use 3 wraps and its super solid. Try it out!
Yes, I agree the Blake Hitch works better. Also, I do not like using standard D-Loop cord with the rubber dampener. The diameter of that string is to large and it really cuts down on the dampening abilities of the dampener. A quick test is all you need to confirm this. Pull the on the stock string (with the dampener installed) and see how much the dampener expands. If you change up strings, do the same test and be sure that you do not loose to much dampening performance.
just installed a hamskea epsilon and ditched the football clamp for a prusik not with the help of this video, pouring rain out today, so i wont be going outside, but it looks good on the draw board!
Thank the holy lord. Been looking for a way to fix my trinity from slipping. This is an awesome solution. Thanks for the vid, keep putting out awesome content
I just tried this on my new hamskea epsilon rest for my mathews v3 31 and wow.your attention to detail and angles really were awesome to see. Thanks for the pro tip👍.
The Hamskea style/ tent stakes are pretty easy to duplicate if you're a cyclist or have a bike that needs a new chain. Basically all the newer bikes are 11 or 12 speed and have small gear links with thin plates. When you install a new chain you have to cut it to length with a chain tool. Every link has 2 side plates,(you only need one) those plates work perfectly. 12 speed chains work the best. Other micro gear chains for models will also work and they are super cheap. Endless supply if you're a cyclist
Tying the prusik into my Hamskea epsilon rest, I found it quite hard to pull tension into the rubber dampener. They supply ended up tying, just a granny knot above the Prusik before you run it through the rest arm to give you something to hang onto to pull against to pull tension into the rubber dampener seem to work well.
Have my Trinity Target Pro on back order. I've watched so many videos I think I can install it blind folded out of the box...well until I saw this knot. I like it though and plan to set mine up using it.
Thanks Nate, I do NOT like those little footballs either! Tried tying this knot and works pretty slick. Not perfect but with some practice should become easier to tie.
Cool idea. That reminds me of a Purcell Prussik. They make great tethers, and are almost as fun to tie as bunny ear figure 8s. Also, just to be “that guy”, a prussik is a hitch not a knot.
taut-line hitch. Never would have thought about it for the application of a limb driven rest. Last thing I used one for was to reattach the net on my kids' trampoline.
+1 taut line might be simpler to tie, less bulky and the tail goes the other way. Either way, great vid and I wouldn't have thought to do that. For a cable driven rest, rolling hitch or magnus hitch would be great. The main difference is semantics, I think, a taut line ties back to itself forming a loop, where rolling hitch and magnus ties one line to another, like a rest cord to a down cable. very similar knots.
The drop away rest and the expandable broadheads became popular during the single cam craze. A lot of the single cams did not have the best nock travel especially the single cams that had the draw length adjustment pegs. The draw length specific single cams were pretty good designs and tuned well bet were not as popular due to having to swap cams to change draw lengths. So to combat the nock travel issues of the single cam, it was common to shoot a stiffer spine arrow. Then the drop away rest became a popular choice to aid in tuning and then the "flapper" broadheads became popular. I still like the Spot-Hog GKF rests with the TM launchers. As for hunting, I really like the full containment rest like the Octane Hostage Pro rest. The drop away rests have gotten quite pricey. I never have used a WB rest but think they are good hunting rests. With most of today's bows sporting the binary cams, the need for a drop away rest is less necessary. I am hoping for more non drop away rests to find their way into the market. There is a price gap that can be easily filled by a good simple full containment rest other than the WB design.
I like that prusik idea for me i normally put the pull cord through the down cable but i have noticed on some bows it will affect the timing slightly...on my vertix i had to add a little piece of dloop between the up cable to get timing perfect with that prusik its just as easy to set rest timing while not interfering with cam timing
Enjoying your content..A favor . My carbon bolts are double dipped. The feathers have been stripped off . I have a can of Fletch Laquer coming from BOHNING. I’m not too optimistic about this . Do you have a better recommendation. Much appreciated ..Thank you
This is great info......I have a hamskea trinity pro .....just got the rebound dampener, and large teardrop lever arm to eliminate the spring......is there anything I need to know before I install them?...I think I can do it myself but wanted to ask if there's anything I'm not aware of........thanks
Great video!!! I am done with the football, just a pain in the butt! This knot stays put, NO TOOLS needed and easy fix in the field should the need arise. THROW AWAY YOUR FOOTBALLS FOLKS!!!
For the Hamskeas, they don't sit over the shelf, so it's unnecessary. For my QAD rests that do, I use adhesive felt. The stuff they'd put on coasters and lamps to not scratch wood table tops. Cheap, thick, durable, and comes in earth tones.
I recognize that this isn't being used in a climbing scenario, but...True prussiks are constructed out of loops and the tension on both legs causes the constriction of the upper and lower sections. I'd be concerned that the knot on the limb-triggered rest, having tension on only the upper leg, has nothing to tension the lower leg, which might need to be regularly tightened. A possible adjustment might be to make a bowline on the outfeed from the rest and build a classic prussik.
Yes, this is also a concern of mine, Ron! I'll have to keep testing throughout the spring and summer, but as of now with the stiffness of that dloop material and the tightness of the knots, I have experienced zero slippage.
@@justinjohnston7025 Looking at the link you provided, the Blake's hitch is supposed to loosen up easily for slide-n-grip in slow-motion ascent/descent applications. I don't know if, for the highly dynamic motion of a limb-driven cord, it would hold up better than the tautline hitch with the extra safety loop that AJA posted. Only a direct experimental comparison between the two knots, over perhaps 50-100 shots, could tell.
I have been running the Blake’s hitch on my vapor trail gen7 for a year and it has not slipped. Makes it super easy to tighten the cord and hold it in place while I tighten the set screw.
@@justinjohnston7025 I'm confused -- you use the Blake's hitch *only* to tighten the set screw that eventually keeps the cord from sliding? Isn't the knot supposed to replace the screwed assembly?
I love the way he says "he' LOOOOOOH everybody" with that northern PA accent. ALWAYS puts a smile on my face.
I got to shoot my bow 🏹 today that you switched my Hamskea Primer from a cable driven rest to a limb driven rest as originally designed. The prusik knot 🪢 that you did held well and the rest is timed like a charm. Thank you 🙏🏻 again Nate. 🏹🦌
Love your empathy! I was about to throw my bow through a window watching AJ’s video (I love his stuff, but his angles were more difficult to follow). Appreciate your patience and content!
I finally tied this and holy cow. Such a simple and strong solution! Thank much!
Nate. I tried your prusick for the cord. Worked great. But i did have some slippage because I don't think a standard prusick is tight enough when using same rope width. Prusick work best when the knot rope is a smaller diameter then main rope. So l tried a blake hitch knot that is used for DRT climbing. I think it works better because it pinch the tag end. Use 3 wraps and its super solid. Try it out!
Yes, I agree the Blake Hitch works better. Also, I do not like using standard D-Loop cord with the rubber dampener. The diameter of that string is to large and it really cuts down on the dampening abilities of the dampener. A quick test is all you need to confirm this. Pull the on the stock string (with the dampener installed) and see how much the dampener expands. If you change up strings, do the same test and be sure that you do not loose to much dampening performance.
Perfect. Used this today on my new Hamskea way better than the clamp supplied.
just installed a hamskea epsilon and ditched the football clamp for a prusik not with the help of this video, pouring rain out today, so i wont be going outside, but it looks good on the draw board!
Prusik knot is also a water safe knot, so for those who would worry about swelling and slipping in heavy rain, this knot will hold.
Thank the holy lord. Been looking for a way to fix my trinity from slipping. This is an awesome solution. Thanks for the vid, keep putting out awesome content
You're welcome!
I just tried this on my new hamskea epsilon rest for my mathews v3 31 and wow.your attention to detail and angles really were awesome to see. Thanks for the pro tip👍.
this is great, just tied this on my new Hamskea primer. thanks for the awesome videos
The Hamskea style/ tent stakes are pretty easy to duplicate if you're a cyclist or have a bike that needs a new chain. Basically all the newer bikes are 11 or 12 speed and have small gear links with thin plates. When you install a new chain you have to cut it to length with a chain tool. Every link has 2 side plates,(you only need one) those plates work perfectly. 12 speed chains work the best. Other micro gear chains for models will also work and they are super cheap. Endless supply if you're a cyclist
I’ve been trying this out for my limb driven rest for the last week or so. Thanks for another great video, Nate!
Im gonna start doing this, I've known about this method but from a tree climbing perspective and never thought to do this on my drop away.
Tying the prusik into my Hamskea epsilon rest, I found it quite hard to pull tension into the rubber dampener. They supply ended up tying, just a granny knot above the Prusik before you run it through the rest arm to give you something to hang onto to pull against to pull tension into the rubber dampener seem to work well.
Have my Trinity Target Pro on back order. I've watched so many videos I think I can install it blind folded out of the box...well until I saw this knot. I like it though and plan to set mine up using it.
Well explained. I might try this one out on my Hamskea Trinity Hunter. Keep up the great videos.
Thanks Nate, I do NOT like those little footballs either! Tried tying this knot and works pretty slick. Not perfect but with some practice should become easier to tie.
Cool idea. That reminds me of a Purcell Prussik. They make great tethers, and are almost as fun to tie as bunny ear figure 8s.
Also, just to be “that guy”, a prussik is a hitch not a knot.
taut-line hitch. Never would have thought about it for the application of a limb driven rest. Last thing I used one for was to reattach the net on my kids' trampoline.
+1 taut line might be simpler to tie, less bulky and the tail goes the other way. Either way, great vid and I wouldn't have thought to do that. For a cable driven rest, rolling hitch or magnus hitch would be great. The main difference is semantics, I think, a taut line ties back to itself forming a loop, where rolling hitch and magnus ties one line to another, like a rest cord to a down cable. very similar knots.
Same knot to attach the cord to the limb?
No, there I us a UniKnot.
The drop away rest and the expandable broadheads became popular during the single cam craze. A lot of the single cams did not have the best nock travel especially the single cams that had the draw length adjustment pegs. The draw length specific single cams were pretty good designs and tuned well bet were not as popular due to having to swap cams to change draw lengths. So to combat the nock travel issues of the single cam, it was common to shoot a stiffer spine arrow. Then the drop away rest became a popular choice to aid in tuning and then the "flapper" broadheads became popular. I still like the Spot-Hog GKF rests with the TM launchers. As for hunting, I really like the full containment rest like the Octane Hostage Pro rest. The drop away rests have gotten quite pricey. I never have used a WB rest but think they are good hunting rests. With most of today's bows sporting the binary cams, the need for a drop away rest is less necessary. I am hoping for more non drop away rests to find their way into the market. There is a price gap that can be easily filled by a good simple full containment rest other than the WB design.
Great idea! Will have to implement this onto our rigs this year! Awesome video as always👍🏻
Thanks! I have full intentions of keeping it metal-free myself. Love this method.
I like that prusik idea for me i normally put the pull cord through the down cable but i have noticed on some bows it will affect the timing slightly...on my vertix i had to add a little piece of dloop between the up cable to get timing perfect with that prusik its just as easy to set rest timing while not interfering with cam timing
It's a beautiful knot
Great video. Do you have a video of how you time your hamskea rest. How to determine where to position the string on the limb
th-cam.com/video/3Jv6MkdHGaA/w-d-xo.html
Good stuff! Thanks for linking thr KOTA video. He puts out some great content on IG and TH-cam. His thumb pegs for releases are awesome as well.
Utilizing the saddle hunting in your bow, nice
Thank you so much for making this video, will give it a try!
Enjoying your content..A favor . My carbon bolts are double dipped. The feathers have been stripped off . I have a can of Fletch Laquer coming from BOHNING. I’m not too optimistic about this . Do you have a better recommendation. Much appreciated ..Thank you
This is great advice!!! Thanks for sharing!!!
Please provide the link to the "D" loop material you referenced. Thank you!!
My apologies! amzn.to/3aL3iTg
This is great info......I have a hamskea trinity pro .....just got the rebound dampener, and large teardrop lever arm to eliminate the spring......is there anything I need to know before I install them?...I think I can do it myself but wanted to ask if there's anything I'm not aware of........thanks
Nope! Just replace the current spring and string with the new teardrop and dampener. Just a simple swap out and new knots.
@@averagejackarchery ..thank u....I actually did it last nite ..it was easy..
Awesome! Thanks for everything!
Awesome idea buddy
Thanks I learned something
Great video!!! I am done with the football, just a pain in the butt! This knot stays put, NO TOOLS needed and easy fix in the field should the need arise. THROW AWAY YOUR FOOTBALLS FOLKS!!!
i think it would be fine full time. youd notice if your launcher arm wasnt down with the bow at rest.
Climbers recognize that knot 🪢😉
Great vids as usual. You may wish to put some moleskin on your riser, under your rest so that it doesn't click when it drops down and hits it?
For the Hamskeas, they don't sit over the shelf, so it's unnecessary. For my QAD rests that do, I use adhesive felt. The stuff they'd put on coasters and lamps to not scratch wood table tops. Cheap, thick, durable, and comes in earth tones.
Great video ! Love the channel.. Thanks for sharing.. peAce
Seems like a taut line hitch would do here, no?
Rip Cord Drive Cage hands down!!
I recognize that this isn't being used in a climbing scenario, but...True prussiks are constructed out of loops and the tension on both legs causes the constriction of the upper and lower sections. I'd be concerned that the knot on the limb-triggered rest, having tension on only the upper leg, has nothing to tension the lower leg, which might need to be regularly tightened. A possible adjustment might be to make a bowline on the outfeed from the rest and build a classic prussik.
Yes, this is also a concern of mine, Ron! I'll have to keep testing throughout the spring and summer, but as of now with the stiffness of that dloop material and the tightness of the knots, I have experienced zero slippage.
@@averagejackarchery I have been looking and I wonder if this hitch (knot) would work better - www.animatedknots.com/blakes-hitch-knot
@@justinjohnston7025 Looking at the link you provided, the Blake's hitch is supposed to loosen up easily for slide-n-grip in slow-motion ascent/descent applications. I don't know if, for the highly dynamic motion of a limb-driven cord, it would hold up better than the tautline hitch with the extra safety loop that AJA posted. Only a direct experimental comparison between the two knots, over perhaps 50-100 shots, could tell.
I have been running the Blake’s hitch on my vapor trail gen7 for a year and it has not slipped. Makes it super easy to tighten the cord and hold it in place while I tighten the set screw.
@@justinjohnston7025 I'm confused -- you use the Blake's hitch *only* to tighten the set screw that eventually keeps the cord from sliding? Isn't the knot supposed to replace the screwed assembly?
The whisker biscuit are still trying to pronounce prusik cause they've never heard of it.
Are you teaching school in person or are you online?
We've been in person since August. Just a few snow/Covid virtual days scattered throughout.
Mmmm.. bacon.
I still shoot my 3d rover from 1995
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