Lending $100,000+ to millions of 17 year olds with no income. What could go wrong? Regardless of whether you are a democrat or republican, I think we can all agree that something needs to change. This is not sustainable
@RedRose7997 I didn't even realize that was a viewpoint until you mentioned it. Resentment for others? I'm happy I had the chance to get loans and receive my education. Now they're nearly paid off. I would never think to get angry if say, my younger brother, had a better system than I and didn't have to spend as much for an education. I think earning a degree should cost something, but not the ridiculous amount it does now.
They only became a business when student loans became a business..check out what college used to cost before widespread student loans and after...You can't blame inflation for that one - the only thing that got inflated was administrative and instructor salaries...and we still feed the pig..
George Treepwood exactly! When the Government started to lend money to everyone is when the price of college started to sky rocket. Like always, Government creating more problems than solutions...
Ya, students that know full well they have to pay back but insist on waiting for the government to bail them out. Your a student that DECIDED to take on the debt... now pay it without the whining
@@ashtonkelly886 the interest rate on student loans is higher than the interest rate on federal loans as well as bank loans. So freshman coming in with a minimum wage job who are given 100k loans, have no way to pay it. They have a minimum wage job. That's enough to barely cover the minimum needs. Maybe schools should reevaluate how much they're charging if they want to stay alive. The people coming into them are not all able to pay back the loans. The issue is the loans rack up over time. So if these minimum wage college kids can't pay it off now, they won't be able to pay it off later unless they're making a lot of money as a doctor, lawyer, etc.
@Mason Moore "Capitalism." *Fortunately capitalism requires both buyers and sellers to both benefit, unlike every other system that just steals from the weak. I would love to hear you ideas on what to do with a college that makes 1/3 it's operating costs.*
Shutting down private "for profit" colleges & universities, ( such as University of Phoenix), is more of a solution. UOP's founder, Dr. John Sperling, was credited with having started the "for profit education" movement. UOP, through its parent company, [the Apollo Group], became a publicly traded company. At the time of his death in 2014, Sperling's net worth was just under 1 billion dollars.
These comments are illuminating. One of America's advantages was/is its great higher education. All of this, "BuT cOlLeGe Is ToO eXpEnSiVe" is pennywise pound foolish to me.
College is a fantasy. I see more immigrants not going to college and not speaking a lick of english, making way more money than a majority of college graduates. That is a shame! it proves that many people do not need college. But instead develop a technical skill from an early age, or take up vocational, technical, apprenticeship, is probably a better way out.
There’s too many useless administrators making six figures that do almost nothing for their student body. Eliminate those and you’ll have better hope in lowering the costs for college.
I cant think of a single time I've seen or heard my president do something beneficial to me. Especially during covid my school did everything wrong during a pandemic.
And what they're teaching is DEFINITELY not worth $35,000 / yr lol. You learn more outside of the classroom than inside of the classroom. They just give students a ridiculous amount of meaningless busy work to try to distract them from the fact that they're robbing them. They'll let you watch athletes run around throwing balls to entertain you, and give you subpar food to eat in between classes. College is for ignorant zombies who like to follow the status quo fed to them by the elites.
Higher Education: *Puts students into thousands of debt with no way of paying it off* Students: *Stops going to college* Higher Education: *Surprised Pikachu Face*
Not true. It's just that the only degrees that actually matter in today's economy are really hard and only like 10% of the population can/want to get those degrees. (Engineering, CompSci...)
@Politically Factual Didnt finish my degree luckily got out of college with less than 10k in loans. Did an apprenticeship in the auto industry and directed myself into integration (controls engineering) and now im basically a degreeless engineer and I have so much resume experience it really doesnt matter, when you've been traveling to mexico installing/programming robotic cells.
Totally agree: what the president said most students actually pay versus what the tuition rate really is, is what students should be paying, which is on par for many state school.
That school looked terribly expensive to run. Imagine the utility bills, upkeep, landscaping, etc. I predict more colleges will pack everything together into one building, like a refurbished shopping mall. And skip the swimming pool, totally unnecessary.
Well you gotta think, why is it so expensive? Well there are trends the colleges are following that feed back into rising costs. People take loans or scholarships and pay higher than their own means. They take opportunity of this money. Colleges seem to be investing into many uneccessary facilities. These facilities are not always part of earning a degree and cost money to run and maintain. Colleges seem to have gotten expensive because suckers line up for it and then colleges got fancy to justify their costs.
A degree is a degree unless you went to a particularly good college. Most employers aren't going to care what school you went to unless it's a prestigious one.
These are the expensive “college’s”, not universities. I went to a state school, never got the big appeal of going to a more expensive small “college”.
I chose to go to a community college because I know I would be racking up debt. But I can see why no one likes college anymore, they still use old websites that they demand us to use. Seriously half of the programs on computers were made in the early 2000s and never got updated since then. Why not use Google gmail to stay connected throughout a school instead of login on to many websites only to send an email, also why not promote TH-cam a learning platform! We need these changes or else people won’t care about college.
Education is too often an accident and the final bill is unavoidable. Maybe internet education will not only lower cost but provide an education custom made for each students abilities.
@Inferno Too many colleges are only interested in the money, education is third or forth. Many generations ago the healers of that day would pass on their knowledge for free to the brightest. In that tradition OJT with pay is the way to go!
@@zokotuckikazu3239 I remember in my junior year I had to write an essay about the American dream. I have wrote that the American dream is what you make of it whether it's to buy a house or go to college. My American dream is to become a teacher
@Fo Reel Mexico has a weak central govt, the quality of life in some states is considerably better than most of the states in the USA, better education and healthcare, affordable housing, etc.
are you saying that politicians allow academia to charge these large loans, and then academia funnels money to the politicians? since that's what a military-industrial complex is
If there was indeed an Academic-"Industrial" complex. Then people would be trained appropriately for the market. Instead liberal arts, cultural studies, social sciences and religious studies are still offered as credible degrees and are still a thing.
@@alexanderphilip1809 no the purpose of academia is to further academia. It does what its supposed to, create self centered egocentric people with self righteous view points, no common sense and no life skills. The education systems also acts as a catalyst for slavery and blackmail being an endless black hole for cash.
@@angelahagerman5003 Yeah, go to a good university. The average cost of attendance at Stanford is 15k a year, only thing preventing you from getting that financial aid is not having that acceptance letter.
Well also there are no partnerships with businesses to actually make students learn what they want... so then businesses will not hire new grads they want people who graduated + have experience in something very very specific.
Let's also factor in that today's college and universities have become marxist indoctrination centers. Any graduate comes out being dumber than a sack of hammers. It's scary to walk on campuses and see the zombie-like stupidity that students are exhibiting. That, plus all the worthless degrees that do not prepare one for real (and ruthless) World.
@@21stCenturySpaceOdyssey Actually not all of them are marxist. Liberty University is anything but that. I worked for a conservative Republican congressman through an internship. And you are right...the world is ruthless. Its so funny to hear variations of how the CEO of a company is a college dropout, yet so many high school graduates are stuck in entry level positions with little chance of advancement in these very same companies.
United State government needs to support education not endless & useless ritual killing, called warfare. We have Ireland & Denmark & Germany & the Netherlands as stellar examples (by comparison) of governments that have invested in their people. All of these places have their unique problems, but all have a fairly educated population. Here, we see vacant eyes, obesity, & violence lurking around nearly every corner.
Rick Scott and Republican Florida was way ahead of you. 10,000 cap on degrees for public colleges for state residents like mine College of Central Florida, no useless flourishes, less college sponsored studies, and more graduates, no student life, no college run museums or miscellaneous institutions only tangenially related to learning, no theoretical degrees except mathematical and science, no chutzpah. This is what it should be. You need to go to the museum, go the public one. Honestly we're closer to what Sweden has, everything is barebones in the same way, because of the same reasons ascribed.
lower the minimum wage. if handing fries through a window is worth $15 an hour whats a college teacher worth? its not that they get more expensive its that your money is worth less.
@@SgtJoeSmith lets start with lowering rent/housing prices. I'm sick and tired of all these Old Money boomers balling on the passive income from collecting rent once a month while they live in their sophisticated mountain cottages and cruising all over the world.
Colleges should have seen this coming a decade ago, probably even further back than that. Go to community college, save your money, get all your basics and spend that time figuring out what you actually want to do. Higher education needs to change its marketing, costs and admissions process. It needs to be more inclusive, accessible to middle class-lower income students/minorities with good academic performance.
colleges are corrupt, I have worked at a few and many people in my family have too, admin spends outrageous amounts of money on themselves. they plan the spending of govt assistance a good decade before they get it, just more boomer greed destroying everything. the last thing anyone is concerned about is a quality education, its just whats in it for them.
They need to completely update the higher education system in this country. There's no need to take classes for things i don't need to learn for my major.
Love it ! I would love to see my school burn to the ground , maybe I could make up the money my parents (rip) and I spent on them salvaging the copper pipe.The last year they tell you your degree won't be marketable in the real world..after you show them the money
I think they mean network wise....most colleges are really meant for the students to network, so once they graduate they can find a job within their degree field
And that is 100% wrong. You go to college to learn something USEFUL to get a JOB: engineering, accounting, health care, computer science. Wikipedia listed GMC majors as "environmental and natural sciences, writing, reading, history and philosophy." Well you go ahead and see what kinds of jobs you get studying that. No wonder the smart students stayed away.
college is only their for the elite to network....thats why popular kids/rich kids from high school usually thrive in a college setting, and get good jobs once they graduate... they already have the social skills to network, branch out and schmooze their way into a corporate job easily....college is really for the socially savvy climbers and rich kids.
That's what I did. Two years of community college, followed by two years at a public university. And I worked and took advantage of my company's tuition reimbursement program. I took one small student loan and paid it off with no trouble. I found that coming right out of school, Ivy League grads had an advantage over me but within a few years, that evaporated as college receded into the past. Now we are on equal footing for all practical purposes. Community college is now free in California for the first two years. Start there, make up your mind about what you want to do, be careful with course selection so that everything you take is transferable to a four year school and get good grades. It worked well for me.
@@Boristien405 Actually what you need is more government interference because education should never be solely dependent on capitalism.. that's actually how this whole problem started..
@@fornoreason8822you don't get creative thinkers in countries with free college. In fact, most Asian countries' college graduates are only good at rote memorization.
I think its good. It incentivizes them to treat them like paying customers, providing them with the service they promise (a useful education). Treating them like "just students" places the faculty on a pedestal of elitism and superiority, which distracts them from the need to provide the services that tuition pays for. I went to a small liberal arts school in NJ, and i was very disenfranchised when i chose to leave after my junior year, instead of going into even more debt.
you can say that about the Healthcare System too. that is a business in itself. Sure people are being saved everyday, but there is a cost to that and equipment to keep people alive need money to upkeep.. its a continuous cycle
eligirl100 of course they will not , god forbid any socialism in any amount in America . Wait what’s social security and how many republican retirees are on that ???
@@jonathanmarquise422 Vermont has the 4th lowest unemployment rate in the US. That doesn't sound like it failing. In fact, Vermont probably pays for your roads in Kentucky you simp.
@@suelyons531 bless your heart. maybe she should do a little research before opening her smart little mouth m'kay? vermont is an aging population with very few good jobs. take a look across the conniticut river at new hampshire, and you will see a state with a friendly business environment. vermont is a great place for employment. especially if you know how to make mead, or raise bees, or knit. all great jobs. vermont ranks 43rd on states in which to start a business. it ranks 49th in small business growth. it ranks 50th in human capital. not sure what your problem with kentucky is, but it's probably because you're a racist.
Shouldn't you be a little more worried that places of higher education are closing? Students debt and degrees aside, these places are also a source for disseminating academic knowledge to the public. They're the institutions that help fund experiments, studies, statistics, archaeological digs, etc.
Alvin Ong - that’s what they want you to think. I’ve amassed large amounts of knowledge without the assistance of a university. U don’t need university for anything. It’s another governmental cash grab to put u in debt over mediocre knowledge.
@chris Must I really put effort into debating a pretentious rando on the internet? It's pretty clear to anyone that he's making himself out to be way smarter than he is.
A men brother. Made the history teacher leave the class room in 11 grade on the topic of cold war because, I brought up some many things I learned for the retirement home residents that most young people don't even know.
I graduated high school 21 years ago and I feel like I've learned way more online. Anything from very interesting to very practical that I didn't learn in school. I've learned how people think, I've even learned way more about how I think which has been more valuable than anything I learned in high school.
Dude I am one week into college and professors don’t teach anything. They literally tell you to look up questions on google. I could have gotten the same education without going to class.
" while I was in high school" *What does a person get for the $200,000 they pay for school from 5-18 years old?* *Imagine how epic a education system we would have if parents got education vouchers for $200,000 per kid and picked where and on what to spend it.*
My generation often regrets college and we tell our younger family and friends. We are in debt and not finding a use for college. I tell my son 11 year old all the time community college and trade school is great options.
Yes. I’m always telling my 14 year old son that college isn’t for everyone and trade school is the best option for finding a lucrative career right now. A year university is no longer a way to get a job: all you get is debt and indoctrination these days.
As a parent and college graduate, I can’t imagine ever telling my children there’s no point to college lol Have you tried to get a good job without it? Not here in SoCal. Even with a bachelor degree it’s hard to get a good paying job. In my field, everyone has a masters and PhD. If academics is important to you and you are so inclined, college is still the best bet. Here, you can go 2 yrs community college for free and get all Gen Ed out of the way and go 2 yrs to a university and will have gotten an affordable degree. There is no excuse except if you’re just too stupid. And in that case, I still recommend community college.
I still have my 1990 college tuition invoice for one semester from an in-state, public, division one university - the bill was $2,900 for one semester - 15 credit hours tuition and room & board (also included food). In the mid-90s, beginning around 1995, state legislators began passing new permissions for colleges to increase rates by double-digits, EVERY year. 10% increase, followed by 15% increase, 12% increase, etc, year after year. I guess they figured kids wouldn’t care as they were taking out student loans, but eventually the loans have to be repaid. Most of university and college budgets are not used to pay faculty (professors, etc), rather the bulk of the budgets are for “admin expenses” like rock climbing walls, and building new “luxury” dorms with granite counters, stainless steel appliances and individual bathrooms. I am still a supporter of higher education but think the universities made a grave decision to start treating enrollments as customers, rather than students. I am sorry to see that many learning institutions may not survive but I think most of the problems have been self-inflicted.
So correct! We need to focus on main course rather on side dishes. Our side dishes have become exorbitantly expensive. And state need to fund education. Pump more money into state universities, community colleges etc.
Very true. Vcu keeps raising its tuition and last year built an 88 million dollar luxury dorm. Please Google GRC VCU, the building is crazy. It looks like a resort hotel you'd find in Seoul. So unnecessary for grubby 18 year olds.
@Mason Moore "Capitalism ... We all collapse in the end." *Without the collapses of what people no longer want in capitalism, we would still be supporting Horse & Buggys. I don't mind you wanting to live in the dark ages of non-capitalism for yourself, but I do mind others imposing their statuesque mediocrity of non-capitalism on me. Isn't it great under capitalism that you can operate in whatever mediocre system you want?* *How would you do with a liberal arts colleges that cost three times what people want to pay for it? Not collapse the useless college of course, so what then?*
Lol when did everyone have a college degree? We are one of the most uneducated countries. That’s why we import engineers and doctors and scientist. But lol EVERYONE knows you don’t have a degree let alone GED
I was looking for someone else to notice this. I will be graduating from college with about $20k in student loan debt, and I will have a degree in aerospace engineering. I can’t fathom how people are racking up even $60k in debt.
In 18 years with the current rises in cost it will cost around 500k. Current 4 year institutions cost around 70k a year, assuming costs continue to go up by around 3% a year, 70*1.03^18=119k a year. And sadly paying four years, that is almost 500k.
@@johnthomas4790 Um....Out of state tuition? See, not everybody has the luxury of being born in the CONUS and have residence in a state with a robust public college with the degree offering you seek. Ask me how I know, and I was a natural born US citizen too with two degrees in aerospace engineering attained under out of state tuition basis (BS and MS). Today these colleges would charge close to 40K/year. That's 200K right there considering the average engineering student doesn't graduate in exactly 8 academic semesters, but closer to 5 years.
"Lower those damn prices and maybe people will go." *The colleges that are closing are the "free" Title IV colleges, because no one wants to use their own money for a art degree in Gender Studies and they don't get a job from "art degrees".*
Looks like the younger generation is not interested in an over rated education that will eventually saddle them with debilitating student debt and having to accept a job working alongside non college grads anyway. The days of the price gouging universities are ending, thankfully.
I'll just move back to Europe once I graduate. Quality of life is better there, and although there might be fewer job opportunities, people with American degrees are very highly sought after.
@Preston Whisenant Or can't get into the few dozen schools that will meet your full financial need. Problem is getting in, of course. If getting into Stanford and surviving a bullet to the head were completely luck-based, you're more likely to survive the bullet.
Useless degress, staggering debt, this economy will be forever changed by student loans. 1.5 trillion in student loans low birth rates, and automation the US will be vastly different in 15 yrs
Dylan Newell that’s what I’m doing, going to community college because I don’t know what I want to do and it would be a huge waste of money to switch majors in a 4 year university
No we don’t need more factory workers . The factories we have are shut down or shutting down. The factory Age is over forever. We also don’t need useless gender studies degrees. In the near future 30% unemployment will be the new permanent way of life.
Right, b/c you technically default on loans. Individuals can claim bankcrupcy in the US though. It comes with obvious differences b/c you can reclaim assets for partial value. Where as education is something that is technically an intagible asset with limitless value. A rational consumer would simply choose not to egage in the transaction they didnt think benefit from? Right?
@@beyondintervals6606 "It's easy, MAKE TUITION LESS EXPENSIVE, SO MORE PEOPLE CAN AFFORD IT" *That's what was done. That's what CAUSED the colleges to go bankrupt, students to be jobless and in debt. Low prices cause a shortage of colleges by increasing the demand with cheaper colleges. Lots of useless Arts colleges came into existence handing out A's for teach students to be unemployable.* *WHAT YOU SHOULD NEVER DO, is have a national government program, because government is the worse way to do everything.*
@@ennuiii honestly “anti-intellectualism” is good. Just because someone says something doesn’t mean it’s true. People with degrees are people too. They make mistakes and sometimes they’re dishonest, just like everyone else. I think saying otherwise is dishonest. After all if we didn’t question what “intellectuals” told us, we’d still think the world was flat.
people like to take pride on the only thing they have to identify themselves. but indeed, the high tuition is insane. they should lower the costs to the point there were NO LOANS except for maybe the 15% people... so, if that college was 36k and NOBODY would pay full price that says a lot about the stupid pricing schemes... (they put it so high to increase the loan, assuming everyone will keep paying with interests) if that school would have costed 16k with a 65% paying it, they would have survived adjusting to its actual budget bracket
@@marcar9marcar972 I'm well aware that people with degrees make mistakes, however, there is no more effective method than the scientific method to describing our reality. there may be mistakes but any other method you can think of will have more. plus my comment wasn't adulating intellectuals it was intellectualism, the pursuit of knowledge and Truth, not the actors that undertake journey
The fact people choose schools based on good marketing show the systemic problem with the American people and how they treat education. It’s not about the education, it’s about the status symbol. That’s a serious problem.
That has nothing to do with it and you're wrong a lot of those colleges that are closing or pretty popular back in the day and were popular up until 5 years ago
How fitting for this piece to mention sluggish middle class wages on Labor day weekend. Greed is ruining USA not workers in unions. It seems it will only get worse from here though
The baby boomers who have kept their high paying jobs with great benefits for the last 30 years are soon retiring and dipping into their pensions. The bad part is, most of their jobs will either be turned into temp positions, or their workload will simply be consolidated to existing employees' workloads. Sad state of affairs this country is headed in.
I used to think when I dropped out of college at 19 or so that I was the only one and that everybody would think of me as a loser. It's nice to know that I'm not alone and I'm not the only one who struggled with college!
Exactly. Schools are being run by presidents who want to turn them into businesses by turning students into customers by offering more “amenities”, expanding campuses and hiring more pointless staff. The mentality is you gotta spend money to make money but students (and taxpayers) pay the bill.
@MoeMuzik "education shouldn't be viewed as a business." *The best schools in the world are run like businesses because a profit incentive to please customers or not get paid. Government schools are crap, if government spends more money on schools it justifies increasing tax revenue for more money.* *The US government currently spends over $1,000,000 per student from age 5-18. The best privates schools in the world cost less than $900,000.* *Some people like to pretend public schools, paid for by taxes are not government monopolies, but some impossible form of private business by rich boogie men.*
@@leoelliondeux "Schools are being run by presidents who want to turn them into businesses by turning students into customers" *These closing colleges are art schools entirely funded by Title IV tax money that pump out A's in art to unemployable narcissistic students. There's nothing "business" in spending your tax allotted funds, in-order to ask for more tax funds. These colleges are closing because they're crap and students don't want to pay for them.*
I get what you're saying, but that's a VERY dangerous line of thinking. That's how nonprofits were run for the longest time - we're doing good work and people will keep us going! What does it matter that we're losing money as long as we're doing the right thing! Well.. except you can't do any good once your organization has failed. Many centuries old institutions have fallen prey to this, and those that do not learn to be sustainable while also serving the needs of their students and clients and customers end up doing more harm than good. Schools SHOULD be run like businesses - but businesses that prioritize both money and mission, not just one or the other.
It's easy, MAKE TUITION LESS EXPENSIVE, SO MORE PEOPLE CAN AFFORD IT AND IT WILL ALL ADD UP IN THE END. Would you rather have one student who's able to afford it but that's all you get. Or a bunch of them paying at a lower cost, but it will far more exceed the one student's tuition at the end + more students on campus and everything. There are so many people who has the intelligence to go to college, but they simply can't afford it and the system is messing it up for the younger generation. This is why the system is failing.
From what I’ve noticed, students are applying to two types of schools: “prestigious” colleges and state colleges. Students with the grades/test scores to do so apply to competitive, reputable schools with low acceptance rates and either have the money to pay or get enough financial aid to go. Students with lower scores and/or who cannot afford to pay are choosing community colleges and state schools. Other than maybe niche degree programs, there is really no draw for students to go to these “less prestigious” but still expensive private schools.
I was in one of those niche programs, haha. Glad I got to go before GMC closed. I wouldn't have been able to get that at a land grant institution and definitely not at any kind of "elite" school.
Because the governments gave colleges money in order to “accommodate more students”, but then it gave colleges less of an incentive to lower the prices since they could always rely on the government to give them money for the “accommodations”
My college went bankrupt. They don’t seem sustainable - prices increasing at a high rate - online studying is much cheaper - going to college for some majors is useless - customers are broke and dependent on loans - degree is becoming less valuable
Many schools do need to go out business. Seriously. Tuition is way way way too expensive. When no one can pay cash for even 1 semester of college, something is really really wrong.
"Many schools do need to go out business. Tuition is way way way too expensive." *The tax money from the GI Bill and Title IV increased the number of students, for a limited number of colleges. Demand up, supply down, prices get higher. The high prices for tuition was cause buy government funding students. Most of these students using taxes to go to school choose unemployable arts degrees to get the tax money because it's a easy A.* *The purpose of college ought to be to learn and be guaranteed a career, not collect government handouts.*
@@veledwin1 "You must be very short for the point to keep flying over your head..." *You probably think you think you made a point. Try explaining to yourself to see you didn't.*
@@MrBryceKrispies "Not when they build the foundation of our economy and private/public debt" *The only colleges that are closing are the liberal arts schools that no one whats to pay for but have Title IV funds. These schools give ALL their students A's, take their Title IV money, and perpetuate adolescences behavior in their student body.* *These liberal arts colleges have always been "broken" and dysfunctional. There's no reason for them to exsist, except for rich people that have nothing better to do than send their rich kids to a useless school that hands about A's and useless pretend degrees in Gender Studies and narcissism.*
It shouldn't be that much. In 1980, I took a full schedule of classes for a grand total of $200 in tuition and $50 in activity fees. That was at Georgia State University. I received an outstanding education in large part because GSU concentrated on teaching and not research, at that time. Also, the average age of the undergrads was 26 years old. The students were much more serious. Even if you allow for the general inflation rate of 74% since that time, the tuition figure would be a lot lower than it is now.
Part of the problem is that college wastes a lot of time teaching students stuff that they should have learned in high school. Basic knowledge like math, language, history, etc should all be taught at the high school level. If you cut that out of college educations, you can cut the college experience from your usual 4-6 years down to 2-4 years (possibly less for some career paths). Paying $30,000 or more PER YEAR for your kid to go learn math and language and history and whatnot is nuts. That's what high school or your local junior college is supposed to be for. The typical college experience should be confined specifically to job skills training like singing/dancing/acting for theatre careers, medical skills for medical careers, etc. Even better, colleges should consolidate. For example, a college can make their entire focus be on medical students. Or another college can focus solely on theatre students. Pick one general set of careers and create the best possible education program for it. Create a business plan that makes sense for that field. Larger colleges could simply split into a number of smaller schools that share the existing campus. That way you still get the benefits of a diverse student body, diverse student life, but you also get the benefits of an educational experience tailored specifically to your career path. For example, people going into careers in theatre and the arts typically are not going to be paid very much money, or have stable employment, so a business model that forces them to pay $30,000 per year does not make sense for those students financially. How can a young actor expect to pay off $120,000 in tuition!? That's nuts. How can an actor pay off that college education while simultaneously trying to buy a house, raise a family, etc? It doesn't make any sense, and more and more people are realizing that. So it would be smarter for a college to focus one on general career path, and create a business model that makes sense for those students, those careers. Also, if you eliminate the housing part of college and keep most of your student body local, much like high school, you can cut costs dramatically for almost everyone involved. Yes, you lose some of the benefits of students learning independent living skills, but you gain benefits like stronger local communities, stronger family ties, less debt, etc.
You are proposing logical, effective solutions... the system doesn't want that. They want to keep the middle class enslaved, the poor dumb and the sheep asleep.
It doesn't matter because I have know some people that have degrees in engineering. They still have debt and struggle to find work. If every job automatically matched the degree people majored in and if they automatically had that job right after graduation day. Then there would be people still going to colleges even with debt attached because the debt would quickly be paid. But.... People are people, and if you majored in engineering in college. Your intrest might change 6 months or years from then. I am grateful that things are changing when it comes to getting jobs. That you can get or create a job, have a great income and still go without a college degree.
AWorldWithoutTenors I’m sorry man, but other than that first part, you clearly have no idea what you’re talking about. Keeping colleges local doesn’t really have any of the benefits you talk about.
I agree that the elective fluff classes required to get a specific degree should be eliminated. If you want an electrical engineering degree you are required to take classes like art appreciation, gender studies, biology, astronomy, dance theory, history, etc., about 30hrs worth of fluff that has no bearing on your field. That is about 25% of the cost of your degree. That is a very significant amount of money to pay for essentially useless stuff. Start there and eliminate a major cost. If you want to learn about history, there are millions and millions of books to read on every thing from the Incas to the industrial revolution to WWWII...pick a couple and read them if you want. Same with botany, art, or any subject you desire. No need to hold kids hostage and charge them thousands of dollars over that. I love the idea of specialization. Take Green Mountain. 437 students would be plenty to sustain a college if they only had a small curriculum. 20-30 profs and a small admin staff would suffice. They wouldn't need 100 profs for all the crap like modern dance theory, French lit, or intro to Spanish for example. Nor would they have to pay for the space and maintenance to contain them. For students that want a broader education, there are plenty schools for that, but for students that can't afford that, and would be best served concentrating on their specific area of study, there should be some alternatives. Peace!
"Part of the problem ..." *The problem is students buying a career, a career guarantee would be in the contract for college. At least a temp worker knows he's paying for a job.*
B.S. Many colleges and and universities have delivered subpar education while putting people in lifetime debt and failing to prepare a lot of graduates with skills practical beyond the classroom
@@Scott-by9ks "I'm not sure colleges ever guaranteed to prepare you for life." *I see no reason for colleges to exist unless they can guarantee something someone whats to buy like a "career". Graduation should = job, if not, then student doesn't pay for nothing.*
D May, if people just want to buy jobs then I could see business model for that. Now, if your college adviser ever gave you a written guarantee of employment and that didn't happen in the time guaranteed, you have a case for a lawsuit. Back in 2003 after finishing 2 years at community college I thought I was ready to go to the university. I had a great GPA 3.85 and was confident I would get a scholarship. They offered me a $6500/year scholarship even though their website said I could expect to pay $16,500/year. This would have left me $10,000 short. At the time I was working at a fast food place and I literally made $10,560/year. Basic math was something I didn't need to go to the university to learn. I saw no realistic hope of me going to their university. The student advisor suggested I take out loans to cover the rest. That's when I said "but loans you have to pay back?" And she answered "of course, but think of all the money you'll be making after you graduate!" I asked if she and the university would "guarantee I will be making the kind of money their website claimed I should expect?" She answered in a confused voice "well, no". That was the end of our conversation. Five months later I joined the Army and they gave me everything they promised me and more.
@@Scott-by9ks I cant remember the names but I have heard colleges advertise that they teach you "the skills you need beyond the classroom", "the skills you need to be successful", etc. Not to say they should be teaching basic common sense life skills but they should be able to show the student how it is relevant and useful for more than just a passing grade
@@Scott-by9ks you are speaking of practical skills along the lines of what I'm referring to. Course, some of that is attributed to a persons retaining and application of said knowledge but that's a different situation. Many graduates now lack the ability to even apply what they learned because the curriculum is so diluted it doesnt even show them how useful the information is or why they should retain it. In many cases more priority is put on increasing the student population and increasing the tuition than the actual content of the education itself. In a lot of cases they're not even adequately preparing people for the jobs they're trying to get
Or be smart and research that degree you wanna get. Art, psych, history, geography...youre not gonna find anything wuth those degrees. And start off at community and pay dirt cheap for 60 credits, be a damn good student, try to get some scholarships and then transfer out to university.
Yeah but trade schools aren't a blanket, one-place-fixes-all solution. Sure, they are for people that WANT to go into trades. But for others who have no desire to learn a trade, it's a waste of money.
@@Miii_Houp Learn a trade and pay for that education later in life, with the money you earn. Live inside your means, stop stretching yourself. The whole "American dream" is a waste of your life and there's a hundreds of millions of living, breathing examples to show you that.
@Allen Zhu I had a really nasty response, but then I realized that I wouldn’t say that kind of stuff to your face and I’m better than that. Better than you. And that’s all that matters. I hope you live a great life.
@bad bad mc bad Correction: student athletes can pursue revenue streams (from, say, their TH-cam channel, or a auto dealership sponsor) but schools will not be paying them directly...the Cali law specifically wanted to avoid that!
Why TF a school should have athletics is beyond me. Most people never go on to be a professional athlete anyway. Why should the rest of the student body have to pay for a football stadium? Oh right drinking and parties.
Football in college is really what pays to keep colleges open. The football teams are big business. Without them most colleges and universities would go under.
@Aaron Hawley 😂😂😂 ok whatever. You keep believing that lie. It costs them nothing. That’s why the players get a scholarship because they know with sales of tickets, memorabilia, jerseys, etc., they’re making a killing for the university just like basketball. University of Texas made $223,000,000 from football in 2018. You better get a clue and research. 😂😂
This is good news, college is so outdated. Most professors lecture students using youtube videos that are free and accessible to everyone on their smartphones. We will finally see a massive change in the paradigm of higher education that was LONGGG overdue
@@cooladam9930 Eli did you even watch the video? do you know what underemployment is? 50 percent of people that get a degree end up working at starbucks. Are you in college right now is that why your offended?
I don’t feel sorry for them one bit. Their product is outdated, no one wants to spend $30,000 a year for something that doesn’t even guarantee a job. These days they are coding Boot Camp’s that charge way less money and it takes way less time to get what you need to learn to actually get educated and to have a job that pays good money. There are also three schools where you can learn to become an electrician etc and for $7000 total cost you can make almost the same money as the typical college graduate, that should tell you something of the ROI of college today. They charge 400% more for tuition than they did 20-30 years ago... they have become PREDATORY.
electricians generally make between $50-80 grand plus benefits and retirement (before overtime, depending on union/non-union). I know because I am ELECTROMAN!
@@Sid-69 now is the time. There is a shortage, it's a good time to get into an IBEW apprenticeship. Best electrical training around. Plus you're working and getting paid with bennefits.
Idk I have seen some online schools affiliated with brick and mortar universities and the online tuition for grad school is $2k at least per credit. Maybe grad school is different than undergrad..
Education is not useless; how and where people learn is becoming useless I think is the point. Do you not see how dummies are ruling dummies these days in America.
@@chaunceychappelle2173 So you basically proved OP's point. You're saying dummies are ruling dummies, yet in America, in order for those dummies to rule in the first place, they needed an "education." I think you're the dummie here for somehow managing to contradict yourself with your own argument and further prove why America's education system is broken.
wealthier families would rather send their kids to more elite colleges and middle and working class families can't afford these schools because of stagnant wages. so you end up with no students at these middle/lower tier schools. now these schools are closing down, we're losing the economic mobility that they were supposed to provide, which will only make college even less affordable for future students. gee, it's almost as if companies paying their workers the absolute bare minimum has terrible consequences for society.
colleges are now becoming army recrutiment centers... before corona military came to my college campus and told us if we joined theyd forgive our student loans.. i got brochures and pamphlets
I wouldn't mind colleges being a business *IF* they played by fair capitalism rules. But when you get assistance from the government, manipulate the masses into only hiring people with college degrees, and mandate overpriced meal plans for students that just want to live on campus, that is where my respect for the being a "business" goes out the window. Last example was oddly specific because I lived it...
All schools are businesses, whether they admit it or not. The trouble started with school loans and grants in the 1960s. ANY time the government gets involved in something, prices skyrocket. If students had to pay their own way, they'd put a lot more thought into where to attend and what to study. Hand someone a blank (government) check and instantly it becomes party time.
Yep they'll force students pad their schedules with useless courses to funnel money and time away from people who only want what they went to college for. It's demoralizing and why I left.
thegrandfinale2 Realistically, all undergrad *can* be learned online or through purchasing textbooks. You can even hook up with tutors and teachers online to assist you.
@thegrandfinale2 it changes a bit once you reach upper division courses in the program, although by that point you are usually going to an actually decent college/university.
@thegrandfinale2 I agree, fortunately, my professors got into the meat immediately and left the excessive details to the reading assignments. But yea, I see your point
there's a surplus of crappy colleges. the more successful universities, along with community colleges, have absorbed students from small, expensive schools.
@@lotto5742 I think the solution there would to build more campuses within the community college branch, not have small expensive private schools exist. People who need community college wouldn't have the means to go to small expensive private schools.
Paying customers and a business model is only a problem for authoritarians focused only on controlling other people. Sorry if you're sad about the the liberal arts colleges no one wants to pay for are closing.
@@dmay3391 The problem is the idea that education is come kind of commodity to be purchased for a return on investment in purely mercenary terms as opposed to an investment in a functioning society and democracy. Education is a human right and a public good, not a commodity to be auctioned to the highest bidder or a weapon to be used to control the middle class.
@@edwardcote2440 So you don't like yourself buying your education. And then you didn't describe the alternative. Saying it's a "right" doesn't make resource allocation magically happen. Explain education without paying for it. A right grants you non-interference from other people, not gifts.Don't answer with a narrative and poetry, answer with a system. Here's a functional system: Taxes collected for each persons education are paid to the family and when an adult, to the person. That person chooses their educational purchases in private competitive markets. Government creates new preventative crime law based upon precedents of people having hurting other people. The system iterates to be better based on everyone's wants in an aggregate of market information. No one has to use this system.
First clear sign of the disappearing middle class. You can't measure the health of an economy by head counting the employed and unemployed, you also have to look at how the average American lives, covers his/her living expenses, savings and debt, and how much education we get. We are on the verge of industrial revolution 4.0. We need more kids studying the STEM careers to keep up with the rapid changes in society and the economy. But politicians would rather worry about campaign funds, making the upperclass even richer, and taking away social security, while distracting the public's attention from this serious problem. So my dear America, my USA is imploding. How many more recessions do we need to wake up and smell the coffee, I wonder?
Very astute argument! Why I damn near killed myself in chemistry instead of doing something like poly sci, history, or economics (that tbh I find a bit more interesting).
@@paulrodgers7228 As someone who is currently studying chemistry, I can relate. Lol Don't get me wrong, I love learning about it, but it's not something I want to do for the rest of my life.
if you go to green mountain college in east bum VT, it’s probably a sign you shouldn’t be in college in the first place...people need to understand that college isn’t for everyone
Right? 99% of whats taught can just be found on the internet. My algebra class this past semester, all the ‘notes’ on slideshows were just embedded youtube videos lmao
My junior high best friend went to trade school instead of traditional college, he long graduated debt free and is now making 80 a year before taxes. While I’m still doing my MBA, with unholy amount of debt. I guess he is the smarter one
neither choice is smarter, just depends on the life path you want to take. he will probably make 80 (which is no doubt pretty comfortable) for the rest of his career while you'll probably make a little more right out the gates with the opportunity to earn VASTLY more in the future.
@Xardion there are truck driver out her making 30k A WEEK! Trade school is where it’s at and you don’t have to work for the government to make good money.
Construction trades do pay well, but the construction field can be unethical at times in how they treat worker. Typically the people who make good money are the ones who go above and beyond. A person with less then a year of experience isn't going to just jump into a job making 80k a year, unless he is working a ridiculous amount of overtime. Also there's saying that goes on in the construction field, that if you ever get hurt and need to collect workers compensation, you better be looking for another job while your our recovering, because when you return you're more then likely going to be fired.
@@PershingOfficial It's also the mindset that society and families place on kids to go to a 4-year university directly, instead of using the community college transfer route into a university (getting the gen ed requirements out of the way at a fraction of the price). High schools like it because they can have the bragging rights when students graduate and go into university (ignoring those who go into CC or a trade school). That, coupled with the amenities which universities use to attract potential students (the whole "Well, this other school has X, so I want you to also have it if you want me coming to you"), means that the school ends up having to spend money which it otherwise wouldn't need to, and the institution needs those funds recouped.
I've been saying this since 2007 when I decided to leave UC Berkeley as a graduating senior. Traditional university education is outdated, and UC Berkeley is a very good school (if you plan on pursuing a career in research). I'm very intellectually curious, a life-long learner, and genuinely enjoyed going to lecture....even though I saw it as largely useless in the real world. I could see this coming years ago, and I'm not a genius. The business model has been flawed for decades now, and I laugh just a little every time I read a job posting that requires someone have a 4 year college degree, unless that job is for a profession like law, medicine, dentistry, engineering or architecture. What adolescents need to learn is EMPATHY, EMOTIONAL INTELLIGENCE, DELAYED GRATIFICATION, healthy self-esteem, how to work with others, how to manage their difficult emotions professionally, and how to be resilient and tolerate struggle and discomfort a little. The world has changed and universities are to stagnant and rigid to change as quickly as they needed to do so, and WHEN they needed to do so (well over a decade ago).
I wonder if it’s better if high schools and middle school operate more like therapeutic schools for those years and then higher education is different. Because for the most part large swaths of students are doing remedial study and some basics are just a re-hash of high school but with academic paper requirements at a point where you’re more brain wise mature to take on the subject matter.
@@FreyaEinde I think it would be most helpful to society if adults learned how to parent infants and toddlers effectively so that when they do get to school age they have the ability to learn elementary education so that when they reach middle school/junior high and high school they are equipped to study, learn, and make choices about whether or not they want to go the route of going into debt to receive a four year degree, or perhaps maybe learn a professional trade instead, or maybe even work an entry level job for a year or two so that they can mature a bit, get some perspective about what it takes to support themselves in the real world, and then decide what they may want to do in life. Right now, the culture, the education system, and political system is so messed up in the US that I don't ever foresee that happening. Kids are not being taught how to function in the world, which is something they need to know more than they do how to write a paper or how to comprehend subject matter so that they can write a paper. We have some HUGE fundamental problems with how children are being treated in the most critical...and I do mean critical...brain development years (birth to age 8) and until we get that more properly calibrated to give little ones what they NEED...not want...NEED to develop a healthy brain, nothing else is going to matter in society. Once that is handled, then we can focus on reading, writing, arithmetic and plunging oneself into 50-100K in college debt that can never be discharged.
@@le_th_ I agree with a lot of what you've said. Unfortunately in a market where both parents usually have to work to support a small child they don't get that attention early on or into their teen years. It seems like we always have to make concessions for these policies that have jacked everybody up. In a way free childcare would help alleviate that early childcare issue but so would shorter work-days and weeks and more remote work. I think the answer is to do all of these things.
@@FreyaEinde Yes, we've become a society where status and the ability to buy things is more important than taking care of little ones those first critical five years. In some cities (the big cities where I've lived i.e. NY, LA & SF) it really does take two incomes just to provide housing and food for a child, but in most of the US that is not the case. People could survive on one income if they didn't buy expensive cars/trucks and purchased less expensive homes, etc. Certainly, there are some families where both parents must work just to get by, and that's true in every city/town that some people earn so little that both must work and it's not about having things that really cost more than they can afford. Sadly, regardless of income, many people just do not understand what little ones need...their time and attention...so they spend money on buying them toys and things rather than making the time investment. There are exceptions to that rule, but I would not say that good parenting is the norm by any stretch. I wish I had a solution, but I don't.
Good. We need less 4 year colleges. But we do need better high schools and more technical schools. Most people are wasting their time getting a four year degree.
Actually, the opposite is true. Tuition went up partly because of financial aid. This incentiviced administrators to raise prices and add on stupid courses that are totally unnecessary.
"Run more like a education system and isn't run like a business." *For example, when a liberal arts college spends three times what people want to pay for it, the colleges should be "run more like a education system" and do what exactly? Perpetuate a mediocre school no one wants by what means? And why?* *I would love to know what "run like a education system" means to you.*
D May it’s easy to explain imagine if poor people ( who make up a majority btw) had to pay for high school, guess what?!!! They wouldn’t go to high school. plenty of countries provide free college tuitions when you invest in your students the market benefits.
@@dmay3391 Ever studied abroad in Germany or Finland (literally anywhere with free college education)? Those countries treat colleges like an education system, not to earn profit. Most if their funding comes from the government, not the students. And now look at how well they are doing. Ex: an average engineer from Germany makes 1.4x that of U.S, engineers. The problem is how schools are managed by the tax payers' dollars. It seems you are reflecting rather than making than make a logically argument. To put it in terms you can comprehend, it's not about how much money you have, it's about how you spend it.
Lending $100,000+ to millions of 17 year olds with no income. What could go wrong? Regardless of whether you are a democrat or republican, I think we can all agree that something needs to change. This is not sustainable
They... The rich have what they needed.
Nate O'Brien at 18 your can join the military and go to war. It was the students decision to take a loan. Responsibility is key
@RedRose7997 I didn't even realize that was a viewpoint until you mentioned it. Resentment for others? I'm happy I had the chance to get loans and receive my education. Now they're nearly paid off. I would never think to get angry if say, my younger brother, had a better system than I and didn't have to spend as much for an education. I think earning a degree should cost something, but not the ridiculous amount it does now.
@@billyjean610 what does joining the military have to do with anything
Cesar 2 my point was that if you are old enough to join an army you are old enough to pay what you owe
This country is in full decay
This is what happens when you destroy the middle class
Fo Reel not true. Most are lower or upper/ upper middle class.
Middle class is just a fancy word for people who aren’t rich who don’t want to be considered poor.... you have
Poor
Rich
And Wealthy that’s it.
Ok, Karl Marx
This is what happens when you peddle an overrated, over-valued product.
snakey973 And higher education led the way in the destruction of the middle class.
It's almost like college shouldn't be a business.
UPDATE: Guys I posted this like a year ago, if you are still commenting on this please go outside.
Liberal college
@@daeding5343 Restrictive College
They only became a business when student loans became a business..check out what college used to cost before widespread student loans and after...You can't blame inflation for that one - the only thing that got inflated was administrative and instructor salaries...and we still feed the pig..
George Treepwood exactly! When the Government started to lend money to everyone is when the price of college started to sky rocket. Like always, Government creating more problems than solutions...
It should be a business
They’re not “customers” they are STUDENTS. That’s your problem right there.
Ya, students that know full well they have to pay back but insist on waiting for the government to bail them out. Your a student that DECIDED to take on the debt... now pay it without the whining
@@ashtonkelly886 the interest rate on student loans is higher than the interest rate on federal loans as well as bank loans. So freshman coming in with a minimum wage job who are given 100k loans, have no way to pay it. They have a minimum wage job. That's enough to barely cover the minimum needs. Maybe schools should reevaluate how much they're charging if they want to stay alive. The people coming into them are not all able to pay back the loans. The issue is the loans rack up over time. So if these minimum wage college kids can't pay it off now, they won't be able to pay it off later unless they're making a lot of money as a doctor, lawyer, etc.
At some point these institutions turned into a business and businesses fail.
@@CJ-kn1cj They were always businesses, the problem is the stupid availability of credit that permitted them from racing prices without consequences.
@@ashtonkelly886 Imagine thinking people who wanna be doctors and surgeons should have to pay ANYTHING for keeping our obesity ridden populace alive.
I have said this for years. They priced themselves out of the market.
They yetted up past the price ceiling and off into college heaven.
@Mason Moore "Capitalism."
*Fortunately capitalism requires both buyers and sellers to both benefit, unlike every other system that just steals from the weak. I would love to hear you ideas on what to do with a college that makes 1/3 it's operating costs.*
Exactly. And now people want the taxpayer to bail them out with "free" college? Nope. Let them burn
Cheaper alternatives are there
Sorry no! The elite schools have no problem with applicants.
Vince M
So we can bail out banks but not students?
Colleges shutting down seems more like a solution to me than it is a problem.
EXACTLY
AMEN
Shutting down private "for profit" colleges & universities, ( such as University of Phoenix), is more of a solution. UOP's founder, Dr. John Sperling, was credited with having started the "for profit education" movement. UOP, through its parent company, [the Apollo Group], became a publicly traded company. At the time of his death in 2014, Sperling's net worth was just under 1 billion dollars.
These comments are illuminating. One of America's advantages was/is its great higher education. All of this, "BuT cOlLeGe Is ToO eXpEnSiVe" is pennywise pound foolish to me.
Bingo
I make $70k a year and am a college drop out. Wasted $30k as a kid for college. College isn't for everybody
College is a fantasy. I see more immigrants not going to college and not speaking a lick of english, making way more money than a majority of college graduates. That is a shame! it proves that many people do not need college. But instead develop a technical skill from an early age, or take up vocational, technical, apprenticeship, is probably a better way out.
In other words, when you see a crowd...don't follow it
Thank you for the advice
@@nickeldime1691 not everyone is good at apprenticeship byt yet get point
@@nickeldime1691 for some college is vital not alk are good at trades etc
There’s too many useless administrators making six figures that do almost nothing for their student body. Eliminate those and you’ll have better hope in lowering the costs for college.
Good point!
And coaches that make five times more than proffesors.
@@Spaghetter813 at least college sports bring in money. Administrators just waste it while providing nothing.
I cant think of a single time I've seen or heard my president do something beneficial to me. Especially during covid my school did everything wrong during a pandemic.
It’s the federal government that requires all these admins- an admin for diversity, an admin for women, an admin for everything
It's almost as if charging $35,000 / yr for college is unsustainable
Matt Reames ... more like$50,000
And what they're teaching is DEFINITELY not worth $35,000 / yr lol. You learn more outside of the classroom than inside of the classroom. They just give students a ridiculous amount of meaningless busy work to try to distract them from the fact that they're robbing them. They'll let you watch athletes run around throwing balls to entertain you, and give you subpar food to eat in between classes. College is for ignorant zombies who like to follow the status quo fed to them by the elites.
a lot of college is just leftist indoctrination. Paying exorbitant amounts of money to become dumber than what you entered as
Study online in UK university it’s like 10K for bachelors degree
@Nicholas because it is.
Higher Education: *Puts students into thousands of debt with no way of paying it off*
Students: *Stops going to college*
Higher Education: *Surprised Pikachu Face*
Not true. It's just that the only degrees that actually matter in today's economy are really hard and only like 10% of the population can/want to get those degrees. (Engineering, CompSci...)
Sonny that's not accurate there isn't enough positions in just those fields to hire everyone
youtube comment youtube comment yes there is. There is currently a shortage in comp sci
Yep 👍
@Politically Factual Didnt finish my degree luckily got out of college with less than 10k in loans. Did an apprenticeship in the auto industry and directed myself into integration (controls engineering) and now im basically a degreeless engineer and I have so much resume experience it really doesnt matter, when you've been traveling to mexico installing/programming robotic cells.
They'd rather shut down instead of lowering tuition
Totally agree: what the president said most students actually pay versus what the tuition rate really is, is what students should be paying, which is on par for many state school.
That school looked terribly expensive to run. Imagine the utility bills, upkeep, landscaping, etc.
I predict more colleges will pack everything together into one building, like a refurbished shopping mall. And skip the swimming pool, totally unnecessary.
You must be all over social media boards hooting and hollering for higher pay for teachers too...
Well you gotta think, why is it so expensive? Well there are trends the colleges are following that feed back into rising costs.
People take loans or scholarships and pay higher than their own means. They take opportunity of this money.
Colleges seem to be investing into many uneccessary facilities. These facilities are not always part of earning a degree and cost money to run and maintain.
Colleges seem to have gotten expensive because suckers line up for it and then colleges got fancy to justify their costs.
Harder to get government intervention if you actually run it well
Imagine having a degree from a college that went out of business.
I do, graduated from Barat College in Lake Forest, IL. The main building of the campus was featured in the movie the Unborn!
@@bigeherb Lake Forest. Ooh la la. I had no idea there even was a university there.
@@mp5249 they also had lake forest college which still may be open
A degree is a degree unless you went to a particularly good college. Most employers aren't going to care what school you went to unless it's a prestigious one.
These are the expensive “college’s”, not universities. I went to a state school, never got the big appeal of going to a more expensive small “college”.
Students probably went to community Colleges instead of racking up debt.
Im heading there its all covered for me maybe if it was not so much money people would go
I chose to go to a community college because I know I would be racking up debt. But I can see why no one likes college anymore, they still use old websites that they demand us to use. Seriously half of the programs on computers were made in the early 2000s and never got updated since then. Why not use Google gmail to stay connected throughout a school instead of login on to many websites only to send an email, also why not promote TH-cam a learning platform! We need these changes or else people won’t care about college.
Unknown is Lost google monopoly over education lol
They said paying customers! Wow!
Yup I’m heading to community college
The currently worthless 6.8 million degrees are the problem, and $1.5 trillion student debt doesn't help.
How many millions were spent on lesbian dance theory alone?
Education is too often an accident and the final bill is unavoidable.
Maybe internet education will not only lower cost but provide an education custom made for each students abilities.
@Inferno Too many colleges are only interested in the money, education is third or forth. Many generations ago the healers of that day would pass on their knowledge for free to the brightest. In that tradition OJT with pay is the way to go!
2Legit 2BReal Worthless? Oh yeah I’m sure my doctors and pharmacists degrees are all worthless.
@@ilikewaffles889 Why do you drug dealers think you are pharmacist? Shooting up doesn't make you a doctor. smh
The American Dream is now the American Nightmare.
ragusajr100 I don’t think the people are strong enough to win a war with the government. Everybody’s thirsty for a new iphone, not a revolution.
zokotu ckikazu it only be a dream for Caucasians
@@zokotuckikazu3239 I remember in my junior year I had to write an essay about the American dream. I have wrote that the American dream is what you make of it whether it's to buy a house or go to college. My American dream is to become a teacher
@Fo Reel Mexico has a weak central govt, the quality of life in some states is considerably better than most of the states in the USA, better education and healthcare, affordable housing, etc.
@Fo Reel I really don't need the opinion of an idiot.
Everyone talks about the "military-industrial complex", but nobody bats an eye at the "academic-industrial complex."
People will believe anything written in a book.
are you saying that politicians allow academia to charge these large loans, and then academia funnels money to the politicians? since that's what a military-industrial complex is
Academic military complex? Marxists are using them to take down our country.
If there was indeed an Academic-"Industrial" complex. Then people would be trained appropriately for the market. Instead liberal arts, cultural studies, social sciences and religious studies are still offered as credible degrees and are still a thing.
@@alexanderphilip1809 no the purpose of academia is to further academia. It does what its supposed to, create self centered egocentric people with self righteous view points, no common sense and no life skills. The education systems also acts as a catalyst for slavery and blackmail being an endless black hole for cash.
Lmao. Thats what you get when you dont prioritize the educational quality, and instead charge unrealistic prices.
thegrandfinale2 we still need college tho lol we still need jobs like engineers, doctors, nurses, teachers...
@@angelahagerman5003 Yeah, go to a good university. The average cost of attendance at Stanford is 15k a year, only thing preventing you from getting that financial aid is not having that acceptance letter.
Well also there are no partnerships with businesses to actually make students learn what they want... so then businesses will not hire new grads they want people who graduated + have experience in something very very specific.
As a college graduate seeing college shut down is music to my ears
The schools did it to themselves: outrageous tuition that requires students to get into debt. It’s simply not a good investment.
Let's also factor in that today's college and universities have become marxist indoctrination centers. Any graduate comes out being dumber than a sack of hammers. It's scary to walk on campuses and see the zombie-like stupidity that students are exhibiting. That, plus all the worthless degrees that do not prepare one for real (and ruthless) World.
@the tater I agree, Tater. It comes down to investing in one's self - the trick is to know specifically what.
Qtrademark supply and demand the college bubble is popping .
@@21stCenturySpaceOdyssey Actually not all of them are marxist. Liberty University is anything but that. I worked for a conservative Republican congressman through an internship. And you are right...the world is ruthless. Its so funny to hear variations of how the CEO of a company is a college dropout, yet so many high school graduates are stuck in entry level positions with little chance of advancement in these very same companies.
Worst investment in the US.
1990: you have a Masters? 200k a yr!
2000: you have a Masters? 150k a yr!
2020: you have a Masters? 70k a yr!
2040: you have a what?
2019 I have Ipsy
Accurate
😂
2050: You play in the PGA?
That described my wife, only made more after leaving that employer!
A bachelors degree is more expensive than ever before and has less impact on the job market than ever before.
Lower the price of tuition!!!
Or just close the school since degree have become worthless now a days.
United State government needs to support education not endless & useless ritual killing, called warfare. We have Ireland & Denmark & Germany & the Netherlands as stellar examples (by comparison) of governments that have invested in their people. All of these places have their unique problems, but all have a fairly educated population. Here, we see vacant eyes, obesity, & violence lurking around nearly every corner.
Rick Scott and Republican Florida was way ahead of you. 10,000 cap on degrees for public colleges for state residents like mine College of Central Florida, no useless flourishes, less college sponsored studies, and more graduates, no student life, no college run museums or miscellaneous institutions only tangenially related to learning, no theoretical degrees except mathematical and science, no chutzpah.
This is what it should be. You need to go to the museum, go the public one. Honestly we're closer to what Sweden has, everything is barebones in the same way, because of the same reasons ascribed.
lower the minimum wage. if handing fries through a window is worth $15 an hour whats a college teacher worth? its not that they get more expensive its that your money is worth less.
@@SgtJoeSmith lets start with lowering rent/housing prices. I'm sick and tired of all these Old Money boomers balling on the passive income from collecting rent once a month while they live in their sophisticated mountain cottages and cruising all over the world.
Colleges should have seen this coming a decade ago, probably even further back than that. Go to community college, save your money, get all your basics and spend that time figuring out what you actually want to do. Higher education needs to change its marketing, costs and admissions process. It needs to be more inclusive, accessible to middle class-lower income students/minorities with good academic performance.
colleges are corrupt, I have worked at a few and many people in my family have too, admin spends outrageous amounts of money on themselves. they plan the spending of govt assistance a good decade before they get it, just more boomer greed destroying everything. the last thing anyone is concerned about is a quality education, its just whats in it for them.
They need to completely update the higher education system in this country. There's no need to take classes for things i don't need to learn for my major.
Scotty Haines
Actually, there’s an even greater need now than ever.
Privatisation of the education system is the problem, same thing with private prisons it's all for profit and eventually will file for bankruptcy.
David Escobar
Higher education has for centuries thrived on being private and out of the hands of politicians.
So, the overpriced private colleges with no pedigree are going to close...
Is this really a surprise to anybody?
It’s a miracle!
Let the safe space tears begin!
And now the college REALLY has a neutral carbon footprint.
Ha! So true.
Love it ! I would love to see my school burn to the ground , maybe I could make up the money my parents (rip) and I spent on them salvaging the copper pipe.The last year they tell you your degree won't be marketable in the real world..after you show them the money
Extra neutral? Ha ha
"people are going to school is for social reasons"
In other words your best friend cost you 100k 🤦♂️
I think they mean network wise....most colleges are really meant for the students to network, so once they graduate they can find a job within their degree field
And that is 100% wrong. You go to college to learn something USEFUL to get a JOB: engineering, accounting, health care, computer science.
Wikipedia listed GMC majors as "environmental and natural sciences, writing, reading, history and philosophy."
Well you go ahead and see what kinds of jobs you get studying that. No wonder the smart students stayed away.
college is only their for the elite to network....thats why popular kids/rich kids from high school usually thrive in a college setting, and get good jobs once they graduate... they already have the social skills to network, branch out and schmooze their way into a corporate job easily....college is really for the socially savvy climbers and rich kids.
This is true
@@r5t6y7u8 To start a career*
Just go to community college, it’s way more affordable. There’s no shame in going to community college
Yes! There's a lot of snobbery towards community colleges.
Or trade schools
That's what I did. Two years of community college, followed by two years at a public university. And I worked and took advantage of my company's tuition reimbursement program. I took one small student loan and paid it off with no trouble. I found that coming right out of school, Ivy League grads had an advantage over me but within a few years, that evaporated as college receded into the past. Now we are on equal footing for all practical purposes. Community college is now free in California for the first two years. Start there, make up your mind about what you want to do, be careful with course selection so that everything you take is transferable to a four year school and get good grades. It worked well for me.
jaelzion . That’s basically what I’m doing right now :) but I’m glad it worked out for you
NONE...
Colleges spend money like the government, it's insane. Plus your forced to take courses that have absolutely nothing to do with your major.
We need to get government out of education. It's a failure.
@@Boristien405 Actually what you need is more government interference because education should never be solely dependent on capitalism.. that's actually how this whole problem started..
Don’t forget how expensive textbooks are
LAUS art it’s government giving students money to give to colleges who continue to raise prices because they are getting that government money
Yes sir, just another way to get people in debt and to owe their life.
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“Paying customers” is a daunting phrase to hear from higher education.
Correct description.
That's the American model....we don't want to create thinkers...we want customers....from the cradle to the grave.
They are though. What else should you call them? It's a marketplace like for any other commodity.
@@fornoreason8822you don't get creative thinkers in countries with free college. In fact, most Asian countries' college graduates are only good at rote memorization.
@@mirzaahmed6589 students.
Hahaha who knew malls and colleges would have so much in common in 2019.
😂😂😂😂
Malls have better chances of surviving than colleges
@@andrewguerra9343 Not really
It’s sad they look at people as “paying customers” instead of students!
I think its good. It incentivizes them to treat them like paying customers, providing them with the service they promise (a useful education). Treating them like "just students" places the faculty on a pedestal of elitism and superiority, which distracts them from the need to provide the services that tuition pays for. I went to a small liberal arts school in NJ, and i was very disenfranchised when i chose to leave after my junior year, instead of going into even more debt.
you can say that about the Healthcare System too. that is a business in itself. Sure people are being saved everyday, but there is a cost to that and equipment to keep people alive need money to upkeep.. its a continuous cycle
They should turns the dorms into low income housing.
eligirl100 of course they will not , god forbid any socialism in any amount in America . Wait what’s social security and how many republican retirees are on that ???
the property is for sale. the state is free to buy the property for the $23 million asking price.
@@moemoneysouth it's vermont you idiot. it's a left wing paradise, which is why it's economy is failing.
@@jonathanmarquise422 Vermont has the 4th lowest unemployment rate in the US. That doesn't sound like it failing. In fact, Vermont probably pays for your roads in Kentucky you simp.
@@suelyons531 bless your heart. maybe she should do a little research before opening her smart little mouth m'kay? vermont is an aging population with very few good jobs. take a look across the conniticut river at new hampshire, and you will see a state with a friendly business environment. vermont is a great place for employment. especially if you know how to make mead, or raise bees, or knit. all great jobs. vermont ranks 43rd on states in which to start a business. it ranks 49th in small business growth. it ranks 50th in human capital. not sure what your problem with kentucky is, but it's probably because you're a racist.
"These schools business models are breaking"... what a beautiful sentence!
Good. These scam artists deserve to fail.
Shouldn't you be a little more worried that places of higher education are closing? Students debt and degrees aside, these places are also a source for disseminating academic knowledge to the public. They're the institutions that help fund experiments, studies, statistics, archaeological digs, etc.
Alvin Ong - that’s what they want you to think. I’ve amassed large amounts of knowledge without the assistance of a university. U don’t need university for anything. It’s another governmental cash grab to put u in debt over mediocre knowledge.
@@alchemxstxavier5225 r/iamverysmart
@Alchemxst Xavier
big brain man here
@chris
Must I really put effort into debating a pretentious rando on the internet? It's pretty clear to anyone that he's making himself out to be way smarter than he is.
If college degrees weren’t so DAMM worthless & overpriced, maybe...
that completely depends on the class
@mike a Ah yes, like engineering, computing, and science studies. Useless. A joke, why would we need those?
@@xXGamerXDarkXx agreed, there are some professions that need a degree. i wouldn't want a doctor who went to youtube university :)
Overpriced but not worthless
Yeah think about once you finished school it would be hard to get a job
Honestly even while I was in high school I felt like I was learning more online than in traditional school.
A men brother.
Made the history teacher leave the class room in 11 grade on the topic of cold war because, I brought up some many things I learned for the retirement home residents that most young people don't even know.
I graduated high school 21 years ago and I feel like I've learned way more online. Anything from very interesting to very practical that I didn't learn in school. I've learned how people think, I've even learned way more about how I think which has been more valuable than anything I learned in high school.
honestly same!!
Dude I am one week into college and professors don’t teach anything. They literally tell you to look up questions on google. I could have gotten the same education without going to class.
" while I was in high school"
*What does a person get for the $200,000 they pay for school from 5-18 years old?*
*Imagine how epic a education system we would have if parents got education vouchers for $200,000 per kid and picked where and on what to spend it.*
My generation often regrets college and we tell our younger family and friends. We are in debt and not finding a use for college. I tell my son 11 year old all the time community college and trade school is great options.
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Yes. I’m always telling my 14 year old son that college isn’t for everyone and trade school is the best option for finding a lucrative career right now. A year university is no longer a way to get a job: all you get is debt and indoctrination these days.
That is what I tell my children.
@@alexanderdvanbalderen9803 dude I’ve been in the trades for 10 years, get an education trust me
As a parent and college graduate, I can’t imagine ever telling my children there’s no point to college lol Have you tried to get a good job without it? Not here in SoCal. Even with a bachelor degree it’s hard to get a good paying job. In my field, everyone has a masters and PhD. If academics is important to you and you are so inclined, college is still the best bet. Here, you can go 2 yrs community college for free and get all Gen Ed out of the way and go 2 yrs to a university and will have gotten an affordable degree. There is no excuse except if you’re just too stupid. And in that case, I still recommend community college.
Oh no! Less people are going to traditional college now? How are colleges going to pay for their multi-million dollar football stadiums now?!
fer04i money from football id imagine
Booster clubs?
Major athletic programs usually dont use tuition money.
And good football teams bring in students. Boosters keep football programs going.
@@erikkunkle9574 Millions of dollars for what? To entertain the kids? What a waste...
Maybe if they didn't charge an arm and a leg for tuition and stop raising the tuition rates every year
I still have my 1990 college tuition invoice for one semester from an in-state, public, division one university - the bill was $2,900 for one semester - 15 credit hours tuition and room & board (also included food). In the mid-90s, beginning around 1995, state legislators began passing new permissions for colleges to increase rates by double-digits, EVERY year. 10% increase, followed by 15% increase, 12% increase, etc, year after year. I guess they figured kids wouldn’t care as they were taking out student loans, but eventually the loans have to be repaid.
Most of university and college budgets are not used to pay faculty (professors, etc), rather the bulk of the budgets are for “admin expenses” like rock climbing walls, and building new “luxury” dorms with granite counters, stainless steel appliances and individual bathrooms.
I am still a supporter of higher education but think the universities made a grave decision to start treating enrollments as customers, rather than students. I am sorry to see that many learning institutions may not survive but I think most of the problems have been self-inflicted.
Yep
Stacey Harvey Bravo👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 Well said.
Good grief... goood grief!!😰
So correct! We need to focus on main course rather on side dishes. Our side dishes have become exorbitantly expensive. And state need to fund education. Pump more money into state universities, community colleges etc.
Very true. Vcu keeps raising its tuition and last year built an 88 million dollar luxury dorm. Please Google GRC VCU, the building is crazy. It looks like a resort hotel you'd find in Seoul. So unnecessary for grubby 18 year olds.
if you go to college for parties and "social reasons", there are a lot of way you can do that without paying with the rest of your life
Just get a summer job at a restaurant if you want to party
@@ThingsILikke wait why
@@tb3328-s6g cuz restaurant staff is full of party people- especially if you work in a vacation town.
Exactly. I never partied in high school or college
in germany %99 of the universities are free, i felt like a king for not paying a dime for college and partying all the time
When EVERYONE else has a college degree too, it no longer sets you apart or gives you much advantage.
"When EVERYONE else has a college degree too"
*Yes, my Gender Studies Art Degree is the same as any stupid Engineering Degree.*
@Mason Moore "Capitalism ... We all collapse in the end."
*Without the collapses of what people no longer want in capitalism, we would still be supporting Horse & Buggys. I don't mind you wanting to live in the dark ages of non-capitalism for yourself, but I do mind others imposing their statuesque mediocrity of non-capitalism on me. Isn't it great under capitalism that you can operate in whatever mediocre system you want?*
*How would you do with a liberal arts colleges that cost three times what people want to pay for it? Not collapse the useless college of course, so what then?*
@@dmay3391 Do you think no one with a STEM degree is struggling to find a job? Because you're completely wrong.
Lol when did everyone have a college degree? We are one of the most uneducated countries. That’s why we import engineers and doctors and scientist. But lol EVERYONE knows you don’t have a degree let alone GED
we don't have capitalism @ everyone trying to complain about it or give credit to it and i'm not sure we ever did
What do you need $500,000 for?!?! You DONT need to be paying that much for someone to go to college
I was looking for someone else to notice this. I will be graduating from college with about $20k in student loan debt, and I will have a degree in aerospace engineering. I can’t fathom how people are racking up even $60k in debt.
John Thomas
$60k is nothing
In 18 years with the current rises in cost it will cost around 500k. Current 4 year institutions cost around 70k a year, assuming costs continue to go up by around 3% a year, 70*1.03^18=119k a year. And sadly paying four years, that is almost 500k.
Patrickdgr81
Not sustainable
@@johnthomas4790 Um....Out of state tuition? See, not everybody has the luxury of being born in the CONUS and have residence in a state with a robust public college with the degree offering you seek. Ask me how I know, and I was a natural born US citizen too with two degrees in aerospace engineering attained under out of state tuition basis (BS and MS). Today these colleges would charge close to 40K/year. That's 200K right there considering the average engineering student doesn't graduate in exactly 8 academic semesters, but closer to 5 years.
Lower those damn prices and maybe people will go. Also do college presidents really need 200K a year?
That wont happen. As long as govt students loan exist.
Why have 10 presidents to run one one college? Meanwhile the teachers are paid crapp, part time. It's all a scam
@@mtorres3097 agreed, student loans need to go. Tuition costs would drop like a rock.
Lord knows the football coaches don't need a million
"Lower those damn prices and maybe people will go."
*The colleges that are closing are the "free" Title IV colleges, because no one wants to use their own money for a art degree in Gender Studies and they don't get a job from "art degrees".*
Looks like the younger generation is not interested in an over rated education that will eventually saddle them with debilitating student debt and having to accept a job working alongside non college grads anyway. The days of the price gouging universities are ending, thankfully.
I'll just move back to Europe once I graduate. Quality of life is better there, and although there might be fewer job opportunities, people with American degrees are very highly sought after.
@@emilv.3693 Here in the states college grads have to take a job being supervised by a guy with no degree.
@Preston Whisenant Or can't get into the few dozen schools that will meet your full financial need. Problem is getting in, of course. If getting into Stanford and surviving a bullet to the head were completely luck-based, you're more likely to survive the bullet.
Useless degress, staggering debt, this economy will be forever changed by student loans. 1.5 trillion in student loans low birth rates, and automation the US will be vastly different in 15 yrs
Dylan Newell that’s what I’m doing, going to community college because I don’t know what I want to do and it would be a huge waste of money to switch majors in a 4 year university
No we don’t need more factory workers . The factories we have are shut down or shutting down. The factory Age is over forever. We also don’t need useless gender studies degrees. In the near future 30% unemployment will be the new permanent way of life.
I think the US wont exist in 15 years. It will be broken up.
US won’t be broken up we have already had a war about that but hey who says we shouldn’t have another. Bet yet let’s take Canada
Electric boogaloo part deuce, prepare for skynet!
*because in the next 20 years people will realize that college aint worth it. you can make 100K+ a year without a college degree with the know how.*
How ?
Building trades. Call any for a service estimate and figure it out from there.
Six figures here... no degree
@Dont Haveone engineers and nurses
Just Suzie teachers and low pay
3:00 colleges might claim bankruptcy but you can't do the same with student loan debt lmao
Yeah, that's an absolute crime.
Right, b/c you technically default on loans. Individuals can claim bankcrupcy in the US though. It comes with obvious differences b/c you can reclaim assets for partial value. Where as education is something that is technically an intagible asset with limitless value. A rational consumer would simply choose not to egage in the transaction they didnt think benefit from? Right?
#TRUTH
@@beyondintervals6606 "It's easy, MAKE TUITION LESS EXPENSIVE, SO MORE PEOPLE CAN AFFORD IT"
*That's what was done. That's what CAUSED the colleges to go bankrupt, students to be jobless and in debt. Low prices cause a shortage of colleges by increasing the demand with cheaper colleges. Lots of useless Arts colleges came into existence handing out A's for teach students to be unemployable.*
*WHAT YOU SHOULD NEVER DO, is have a national government program, because government is the worse way to do everything.*
@bad bad mc bad A college loan is different than almost every other loan a person will take out.
Dying middle class, rising tuition costs, high interest loans, and the rise of anti-intellectualism is driving this.
Great comment 👍
Hakim and unlearning economics 👀, I see you resisting that anti-intellectualism well, rock on comrade
@@ennuiii honestly “anti-intellectualism” is good. Just because someone says something doesn’t mean it’s true. People with degrees are people too. They make mistakes and sometimes they’re dishonest, just like everyone else. I think saying otherwise is dishonest. After all if we didn’t question what “intellectuals” told us, we’d still think the world was flat.
people like to take pride on the only thing they have to identify themselves.
but indeed, the high tuition is insane. they should lower the costs to the point there were NO LOANS except for maybe the 15% people... so, if that college was 36k and NOBODY would pay full price that says a lot about the stupid pricing schemes... (they put it so high to increase the loan, assuming everyone will keep paying with interests) if that school would have costed 16k with a 65% paying it, they would have survived adjusting to its actual budget bracket
@@marcar9marcar972 I'm well aware that people with degrees make mistakes, however, there is no more effective method than the scientific method to describing our reality. there may be mistakes but any other method you can think of will have more.
plus my comment wasn't adulating intellectuals it was intellectualism, the pursuit of knowledge and Truth, not the actors that undertake journey
Many of the small colleges need to shut down anyway. I'm hoping some of those buildings will be salvageable 4 Elder Care, veterans housing, or daycare
Lol do you realize how much it costs to maintain a building like that ?
Yes I agree. Or to provide affordable apartments? Or homeless shelters? At least something for the community
@Sarah G Sarah just volunteered to take care of the multi-acre landscaping. mila88 is going to fix the roof when it starts leaking.
Or demolish all the structures and build more homes or apartments
By small colleges I hope you dont mean community colleges.
Has anyone ever heard of these colleges?? Nope? Yeah that's why they are closing
No, first time i heard of these college except for Harvard xD. They need better marketing team
The fact people choose schools based on good marketing show the systemic problem with the American people and how they treat education. It’s not about the education, it’s about the status symbol. That’s a serious problem.
thegrandfinale2 my friend actually wanted to go there since it was her dream school, but right after she was accepted they announced they were closing
I considered going to green mountain, glad I didn't go
That has nothing to do with it and you're wrong a lot of those colleges that are closing or pretty popular back in the day and were popular up until 5 years ago
How fitting for this piece to mention sluggish middle class wages on Labor day weekend. Greed is ruining USA not workers in unions. It seems it will only get worse from here though
Amen!
you should see the unfettered greed of university admin. the whole system is rot.
The baby boomers who have kept their high paying jobs with great benefits for the last 30 years are soon retiring and dipping into their pensions. The bad part is, most of their jobs will either be turned into temp positions, or their workload will simply be consolidated to existing employees' workloads. Sad state of affairs this country is headed in.
I used to think when I dropped out of college at 19 or so that I was the only one and that everybody would think of me as a loser. It's nice to know that I'm not alone and I'm not the only one who struggled with college!
This is what happens when there is no free market! Stupid government money for student loans. Colleges do not keep up.
“Paying customers”
“Business models”
Hm. I wonder what the problem is
Exactly. Schools are being run by presidents who want to turn them into businesses by turning students into customers by offering more “amenities”, expanding campuses and hiring more pointless staff. The mentality is you gotta spend money to make money but students (and taxpayers) pay the bill.
@MoeMuzik "education shouldn't be viewed as a business."
*The best schools in the world are run like businesses because a profit incentive to please customers or not get paid. Government schools are crap, if government spends more money on schools it justifies increasing tax revenue for more money.*
*The US government currently spends over $1,000,000 per student from age 5-18. The best privates schools in the world cost less than $900,000.*
*Some people like to pretend public schools, paid for by taxes are not government monopolies, but some impossible form of private business by rich boogie men.*
@@leoelliondeux "Schools are being run by presidents who want to turn them into businesses by turning students into customers"
*These closing colleges are art schools entirely funded by Title IV tax money that pump out A's in art to unemployable narcissistic students. There's nothing "business" in spending your tax allotted funds, in-order to ask for more tax funds. These colleges are closing because they're crap and students don't want to pay for them.*
I get what you're saying, but that's a VERY dangerous line of thinking. That's how nonprofits were run for the longest time - we're doing good work and people will keep us going! What does it matter that we're losing money as long as we're doing the right thing! Well.. except you can't do any good once your organization has failed. Many centuries old institutions have fallen prey to this, and those that do not learn to be sustainable while also serving the needs of their students and clients and customers end up doing more harm than good.
Schools SHOULD be run like businesses - but businesses that prioritize both money and mission, not just one or the other.
It's easy, MAKE TUITION LESS EXPENSIVE, SO MORE PEOPLE CAN AFFORD IT AND IT WILL ALL ADD UP IN THE END. Would you rather have one student who's able to afford it but that's all you get. Or a bunch of them paying at a lower cost, but it will far more exceed the one student's tuition at the end + more students on campus and everything. There are so many people who has the intelligence to go to college, but they simply can't afford it and the system is messing it up for the younger generation. This is why the system is failing.
From what I’ve noticed, students are applying to two types of schools: “prestigious” colleges and state colleges. Students with the grades/test scores to do so apply to competitive, reputable schools with low acceptance rates and either have the money to pay or get enough financial aid to go. Students with lower scores and/or who cannot afford to pay are choosing community colleges and state schools. Other than maybe niche degree programs, there is really no draw for students to go to these “less prestigious” but still expensive private schools.
*coughDrewUniversitycoughcough*
I was in one of those niche programs, haha. Glad I got to go before GMC closed. I wouldn't have been able to get that at a land grant institution and definitely not at any kind of "elite" school.
Study online in UK University it’s like 10K for bachelors degree
JFM what program did you study?
there’s a state school in my state that’s surprisingly in risk of closing. they already laid off 300 workers for 2 weeks
Like health care, higher ed has a cost problem, not an accessibility problem.
#FeelTheBern
I just flying to Europe, same equipment ( if not better ) for much cheaper. Not going to support US healthcare mafia
isn't it both though?
fr
Because the governments gave colleges money in order to “accommodate more students”, but then it gave colleges less of an incentive to lower the prices since they could always rely on the government to give them money for the “accommodations”
My college went bankrupt.
They don’t seem sustainable
- prices increasing at a high rate
- online studying is much cheaper
- going to college for some majors is useless
- customers are broke and dependent on loans
- degree is becoming less valuable
Many schools do need to go out business. Seriously. Tuition is way way way too expensive. When no one can pay cash for even 1 semester of college, something is really really wrong.
"Many schools do need to go out business. Tuition is way way way too expensive."
*The tax money from the GI Bill and Title IV increased the number of students, for a limited number of colleges. Demand up, supply down, prices get higher. The high prices for tuition was cause buy government funding students. Most of these students using taxes to go to school choose unemployable arts degrees to get the tax money because it's a easy A.*
*The purpose of college ought to be to learn and be guaranteed a career, not collect government handouts.*
D May in the future there will only be room for the best schools
@@dmay3391 You must be very short for the point to keep flying over your head...
@@veledwin1 "You must be very short for the point to keep flying over your head..."
*You probably think you think you made a point. Try explaining to yourself to see you didn't.*
Shouldn’t we be happy that scams are dying ? 😂😂😂😂
Not when they build the foundation of our economy and private/public debt... If this systems breaks there will be decades-long economic crisis
@Ayooo. youtube what grade you in oof I'm like a 2nd year in HS PLEASE BE FREE ONCE I GET THERE
the77 YES!!!!!! Hooray!!!!
We are but the media shills wont be. They are all in league with each other
@@MrBryceKrispies "Not when they build the foundation of our economy and private/public debt"
*The only colleges that are closing are the liberal arts schools that no one whats to pay for but have Title IV funds. These schools give ALL their students A's, take their Title IV money, and perpetuate adolescences behavior in their student body.*
*These liberal arts colleges have always been "broken" and dysfunctional. There's no reason for them to exsist, except for rich people that have nothing better to do than send their rich kids to a useless school that hands about A's and useless pretend degrees in Gender Studies and narcissism.*
“Administrative costs” it’s called ever increasing salaries.
Gotta pay the "Dean of Diversity " 400k right!
Increasing salaries, and hiring more and more! The number of administrators does NOT need to outnumber teaching faculty!
$12k a year for some crappy community college degree is too much still. Should be max $6k a year.
Learn a trade.
It shouldn't be that much. In 1980, I took a full schedule of classes for a grand total of $200 in tuition and $50 in activity fees. That was at Georgia State University. I received an outstanding education in large part because GSU concentrated on teaching and not research, at that time. Also, the average age of the undergrads was 26 years old. The students were much more serious.
Even if you allow for the general inflation rate of 74% since that time, the tuition figure would be a lot lower than it is now.
CDL School is $7,000 for four weeks.
@@christophergraves6725 State subsidized the tuition. Now the money has been diverted to welfare and DEI programs.
Part of the problem is that college wastes a lot of time teaching students stuff that they should have learned in high school. Basic knowledge like math, language, history, etc should all be taught at the high school level. If you cut that out of college educations, you can cut the college experience from your usual 4-6 years down to 2-4 years (possibly less for some career paths).
Paying $30,000 or more PER YEAR for your kid to go learn math and language and history and whatnot is nuts. That's what high school or your local junior college is supposed to be for.
The typical college experience should be confined specifically to job skills training like singing/dancing/acting for theatre careers, medical skills for medical careers, etc. Even better, colleges should consolidate. For example, a college can make their entire focus be on medical students. Or another college can focus solely on theatre students. Pick one general set of careers and create the best possible education program for it. Create a business plan that makes sense for that field. Larger colleges could simply split into a number of smaller schools that share the existing campus. That way you still get the benefits of a diverse student body, diverse student life, but you also get the benefits of an educational experience tailored specifically to your career path.
For example, people going into careers in theatre and the arts typically are not going to be paid very much money, or have stable employment, so a business model that forces them to pay $30,000 per year does not make sense for those students financially. How can a young actor expect to pay off $120,000 in tuition!? That's nuts. How can an actor pay off that college education while simultaneously trying to buy a house, raise a family, etc? It doesn't make any sense, and more and more people are realizing that. So it would be smarter for a college to focus one on general career path, and create a business model that makes sense for those students, those careers.
Also, if you eliminate the housing part of college and keep most of your student body local, much like high school, you can cut costs dramatically for almost everyone involved. Yes, you lose some of the benefits of students learning independent living skills, but you gain benefits like stronger local communities, stronger family ties, less debt, etc.
You are proposing logical, effective solutions... the system doesn't want that. They want to keep the middle class enslaved, the poor dumb and the sheep asleep.
It doesn't matter because I have know some people that have degrees in engineering. They still have debt and struggle to find work.
If every job automatically matched the degree people majored in and if they automatically had that job right after graduation day. Then there would be people still going to colleges even with debt attached because the debt would quickly be paid.
But....
People are people, and if you majored in engineering in college. Your intrest might change 6 months or years from then.
I am grateful that things are changing when it comes to getting jobs. That you can get or create a job, have a great income and still go without a college degree.
AWorldWithoutTenors I’m sorry man, but other than that first part, you clearly have no idea what you’re talking about. Keeping colleges local doesn’t really have any of the benefits you talk about.
I agree that the elective fluff classes required to get a specific degree should be eliminated. If you want an electrical engineering degree you are required to take classes like art appreciation, gender studies, biology, astronomy, dance theory, history, etc., about 30hrs worth of fluff that has no bearing on your field. That is about 25% of the cost of your degree. That is a very significant amount of money to pay for essentially useless stuff.
Start there and eliminate a major cost. If you want to learn about history, there are millions and millions of books to read on every thing from the Incas to the industrial revolution to WWWII...pick a couple and read them if you want. Same with botany, art, or any subject you desire. No need to hold kids hostage and charge them thousands of dollars over that.
I love the idea of specialization. Take Green Mountain. 437 students would be plenty to sustain a college if they only had a small curriculum. 20-30 profs and a small admin staff would suffice. They wouldn't need 100 profs for all the crap like modern dance theory, French lit, or intro to Spanish for example. Nor would they have to pay for the space and maintenance to contain them.
For students that want a broader education, there are plenty schools for that, but for students that can't afford that, and would be best served concentrating on their specific area of study, there should be some alternatives. Peace!
"Part of the problem ..."
*The problem is students buying a career, a career guarantee would be in the contract for college. At least a temp worker knows he's paying for a job.*
In the words of the late great George Carlin: "They call it the American dream, because you have to be asleep to believe in it."
lol this is brilliant
B.S. Many colleges and and universities have delivered subpar education while putting people in lifetime debt and failing to prepare a lot of graduates with skills practical beyond the classroom
I'm not sure colleges ever guaranteed to prepare you for life.
@@Scott-by9ks "I'm not sure colleges ever guaranteed to prepare you for life."
*I see no reason for colleges to exist unless they can guarantee something someone whats to buy like a "career". Graduation should = job, if not, then student doesn't pay for nothing.*
D May, if people just want to buy jobs then I could see business model for that. Now, if your college adviser ever gave you a written guarantee of employment and that didn't happen in the time guaranteed, you have a case for a lawsuit. Back in 2003 after finishing 2 years at community college I thought I was ready to go to the university. I had a great GPA 3.85 and was confident I would get a scholarship. They offered me a $6500/year scholarship even though their website said I could expect to pay $16,500/year. This would have left me $10,000 short. At the time I was working at a fast food place and I literally made $10,560/year. Basic math was something I didn't need to go to the university to learn. I saw no realistic hope of me going to their university. The student advisor suggested I take out loans to cover the rest. That's when I said "but loans you have to pay back?" And she answered "of course, but think of all the money you'll be making after you graduate!" I asked if she and the university would "guarantee I will be making the kind of money their website claimed I should expect?" She answered in a confused voice "well, no". That was the end of our conversation. Five months later I joined the Army and they gave me everything they promised me and more.
@@Scott-by9ks I cant remember the names but I have heard colleges advertise that they teach you "the skills you need beyond the classroom", "the skills you need to be successful", etc.
Not to say they should be teaching basic common sense life skills but they should be able to show the student how it is relevant and useful for more than just a passing grade
@@Scott-by9ks you are speaking of practical skills along the lines of what I'm referring to. Course, some of that is attributed to a persons retaining and application of said knowledge but that's a different situation. Many graduates now lack the ability to even apply what they learned because the curriculum is so diluted it doesnt even show them how useful the information is or why they should retain it.
In many cases more priority is put on increasing the student population and increasing the tuition than the actual content of the education itself.
In a lot of cases they're not even adequately preparing people for the jobs they're trying to get
Higher education is for rich people. And middle class students know that.
Nah go to an affordable school .
Wtf does that mean??
Not if you were an excellent student and got a free ride.
Or be smart and research that degree you wanna get. Art, psych, history, geography...youre not gonna find anything wuth those degrees. And start off at community and pay dirt cheap for 60 credits, be a damn good student, try to get some scholarships and then transfer out to university.
That was the way it used to be, Now it will be true again.
The sooner they fail the better. Evergreen State College in Washington State should be the first to go.
Why Evergreen? It is a public school (cheaper) and high acceptance rate (easy to get into).
@@Youneedalex Because the college is run by a bunch of SJW's who discriminate against whites. However, that is the new normal.
@@johndoll1511 That reminds me of when the black and Latino students didn't let the white students to enter, it was second-hand embarrassment for me.
College isn't for everyone. And people have panic attacks with the thought of others simply entertaining that idea.
Or we can adapt with the times
College was a bubble. Unsustainable, considering trades jobs pay more in many cases and people have caught on to the student loan scam.
Are there trade schools for genetic engineering?
Yeah but trade schools aren't a blanket, one-place-fixes-all solution. Sure, they are for people that WANT to go into trades. But for others who have no desire to learn a trade, it's a waste of money.
@@Miii_Houp Learn a trade and pay for that education later in life, with the money you earn. Live inside your means, stop stretching yourself. The whole "American dream" is a waste of your life and there's a hundreds of millions of living, breathing examples to show you that.
More than 50% of all colleges have already failed. The question is, when will they go out of business?
Middle class destroyed...this is the aftermath
“Fewer Paying Customers”
damn
They rather shut down ,than have reasonable prices
that comma is not needed
@@swank8508 Your comment is not needed.
@Allen Zhu I had a really nasty response, but then I realized that I wouldn’t say that kind of stuff to your face and I’m better than that. Better than you. And that’s all that matters. I hope you live a great life.
@Allen Zhu OK
@Allen Zhu Sounds good to me bud, take care.
The only thing that I disagree with is the 25 percent. More are going to go out of business.
Things also got out of hand when universities became an extension of the NFL and the NBA.
the business model is the business model.
@bad bad mc bad Correction: student athletes can pursue revenue streams (from, say, their TH-cam channel, or a auto dealership sponsor) but schools will not be paying them directly...the Cali law specifically wanted to avoid that!
Why TF a school should have athletics is beyond me. Most people never go on to be a professional athlete anyway. Why should the rest of the student body have to pay for a football stadium? Oh right drinking and parties.
Football in college is really what pays to keep colleges open. The football teams are big business. Without them most colleges and universities would go under.
@Aaron Hawley 😂😂😂 ok whatever. You keep believing that lie. It costs them nothing. That’s why the players get a scholarship because they know with sales of tickets, memorabilia, jerseys, etc., they’re making a killing for the university just like basketball. University of Texas made $223,000,000 from football in 2018. You better get a clue and research. 😂😂
This is good news, college is so outdated. Most professors lecture students using youtube videos that are free and accessible to everyone on their smartphones. We will finally see a massive change in the paradigm of higher education that was LONGGG overdue
Low caliber schools, perhaps. ‘Most’ is clearly wrong.
Lol my name is Leo and I major in TH-cam videos and internet blogs.
@@cooladam9930 Eli did you even watch the video? do you know what underemployment is? 50 percent of people that get a degree end up working at starbucks. Are you in college right now is that why your offended?
Leo just messing around, that’s crazy that 50 percent of the college population works at Starbucks tho
@@josh2676 50% of people that get a degree obviously don't end up working at starbucks lol
I don’t feel sorry for them one bit. Their product is outdated, no one wants to spend $30,000 a year for something that doesn’t even guarantee a job. These days they are coding Boot Camp’s that charge way less money and it takes way less time to get what you need to learn to actually get educated and to have a job that pays good money. There are also three schools where you can learn to become an electrician etc and for $7000 total cost you can make almost the same money as the typical college graduate, that should tell you something of the ROI of college today.
They charge 400% more for tuition than they did 20-30 years ago... they have become PREDATORY.
But, very few people want to be an electrician. Not a reasonable alternative for 99% of the people.
electricians generally make between $50-80 grand plus benefits and retirement (before overtime, depending on union/non-union). I know because I am ELECTROMAN!
time to become an electrician...
@@Sid-69 now is the time. There is a shortage, it's a good time to get into an IBEW apprenticeship. Best electrical training around. Plus you're working and getting paid with bennefits.
But if everybody becomes an electrician, the salary point for that job will drop.
Sadly everything in the US has boiled down to a commodity
Welcome to capitalism. Even 3 year Olds wear tube tops and shorts
*blames capitalism for corporatism*
That's a shame...the student loans are what made prices go insane. This bubble will burst.
Amazon and the internet are eating up all the retailers and they're coming for the Colleges next... Online universities for 1/10 the price...
Albert Richards You’re comment needs more likes. This is precisely what’s coming. And I think faster than what the typical American expects.
Albert Richards :-) they are already starting :-)
Exactly or certifications. You can get IT certified for a few hundred bucks and land an entry level job
Idk I have seen some online schools affiliated with brick and mortar universities and the online tuition for grad school is $2k at least per credit. Maybe grad school is different than undergrad..
@@todoldtrafford Where? I want in on this!
The useless education bubble is bursting
Education is not useless; how and where people learn is becoming useless I think is the point. Do you not see how dummies are ruling dummies these days in America.
@@chaunceychappelle2173 So you basically proved OP's point. You're saying dummies are ruling dummies, yet in America, in order for those dummies to rule in the first place, they needed an "education." I think you're the dummie here for somehow managing to contradict yourself with your own argument and further prove why America's education system is broken.
@@merrittpalmer4349 agreed. All educational pursuits null and void time now so I can wise up. Thanks.
@@chaunceychappelle2173 lol Johnny got you
@@ulrickbell9409 nah, just no arguing with dummies is definitely a lesson learned.
wealthier families would rather send their kids to more elite colleges and middle and working class families can't afford these schools because of stagnant wages. so you end up with no students at these middle/lower tier schools. now these schools are closing down, we're losing the economic mobility that they were supposed to provide, which will only make college even less affordable for future students.
gee, it's almost as if companies paying their workers the absolute bare minimum has terrible consequences for society.
I definitely see this happening a lot sooner than 20 years from now.
Yeah crazy guys , only 12 years ago for travaling I used paper maps . Internet will destroy universities
Amen ! I had an on campus class canceled and moved to online due to low enrollment.
Same
colleges have had this coming lol. it’s almost as if education shouldn’t be a business, or for profit
exactly! i agree.
colleges are now becoming army recrutiment centers... before corona military came to my college campus and told us if we joined theyd forgive our student loans.. i got brochures and pamphlets
I wouldn't mind colleges being a business *IF* they played by fair capitalism rules. But when you get assistance from the government, manipulate the masses into only hiring people with college degrees, and mandate overpriced meal plans for students that just want to live on campus, that is where my respect for the being a "business" goes out the window. Last example was oddly specific because I lived it...
All schools are businesses, whether they admit it or not. The trouble started with school loans and grants in the 1960s. ANY time the government gets involved in something, prices skyrocket. If students had to pay their own way, they'd put a lot more thought into where to attend and what to study. Hand someone a blank (government) check and instantly it becomes party time.
That's what they get for abusing the FAFSA program with increasing costs
Yep they'll force students pad their schedules with useless courses to funnel money and time away from people who only want what they went to college for. It's demoralizing and why I left.
“Finding enough paying customers” wow 😳
Most programs in college are 5 years behind!
thegrandfinale2 Realistically, all undergrad *can* be learned online or through purchasing textbooks. You can even hook up with tutors and teachers online to assist you.
@thegrandfinale2 it changes a bit once you reach upper division courses in the program, although by that point you are usually going to an actually decent college/university.
@thegrandfinale2 I agree, fortunately, my professors got into the meat immediately and left the excessive details to the reading assignments. But yea, I see your point
Even more like 10 years old
100% correct. It's very frustrating as a current university student to see more up to date, accurate information on youtube for free.
there's a surplus of crappy colleges. the more successful universities, along with community colleges, have absorbed students from small, expensive schools.
But those community colleges get overcrowded. A community college in my city had over 25,000 students enroll.
@@lotto5742 I think the solution there would to build more campuses within the community college branch, not have small expensive private schools exist. People who need community college wouldn't have the means to go to small expensive private schools.
@@lotto5742
Damn, your community college have way more students than my University
@@lotto5742 That sounds about right. The US doesn't need those kids going to 4-year colleges and universities.
"paying customers"
"business model"
There's your problem.
Paying customers and a business model is only a problem for authoritarians focused only on controlling other people. Sorry if you're sad about the the liberal arts colleges no one wants to pay for are closing.
@@dmay3391 The problem is the idea that education is come kind of commodity to be purchased for a return on investment in purely mercenary terms as opposed to an investment in a functioning society and democracy. Education is a human right and a public good, not a commodity to be auctioned to the highest bidder or a weapon to be used to control the middle class.
@@edwardcote2440 So you don't like yourself buying your education. And then you didn't describe the alternative. Saying it's a "right" doesn't make resource allocation magically happen. Explain education without paying for it. A right grants you non-interference from other people, not gifts.Don't answer with a narrative and poetry, answer with a system.
Here's a functional system: Taxes collected for each persons education are paid to the family and when an adult, to the person. That person chooses their educational purchases in private competitive markets. Government creates new preventative crime law based upon precedents of people having hurting other people. The system iterates to be better based on everyone's wants in an aggregate of market information. No one has to use this system.
Get rid of the administrators. In many colleges, there are more administrators and their support staff than faculty.
First clear sign of the disappearing middle class. You can't measure the health of an economy by head counting the employed and unemployed, you also have to look at how the average American lives, covers his/her living expenses, savings and debt, and how much education we get. We are on the verge of industrial revolution 4.0. We need more kids studying the STEM careers to keep up with the rapid changes in society and the economy. But politicians would rather worry about campaign funds, making the upperclass even richer, and taking away social security, while distracting the public's attention from this serious problem. So my dear America, my USA is imploding. How many more recessions do we need to wake up and smell the coffee, I wonder?
Very astute argument! Why I damn near killed myself in chemistry instead of doing something like poly sci, history, or economics (that tbh I find a bit more interesting).
Yang2020 lol
@@paulrodgers7228 As someone who is currently studying chemistry, I can relate. Lol
Don't get me wrong, I love learning about it, but it's not something I want to do for the rest of my life.
5. At least. And hopefully not a hostile takeover from Russia and/or China. Although maybe Britain...🤔🤔🤔
You seriously expecting kids right off of high school being able to pay 35k right off the bat???
Thank god. I hope they fail altogether. Absolute scam
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if you go to green mountain college in east bum VT, it’s probably a sign you shouldn’t be in college in the first place...people need to understand that college isn’t for everyone
Just cause you didnt benefit doesnt mean others didnt.
Why would you want an uneducated society?
Micky OSully lol yes!!!
Damn, almost like people don't wanna lose $30k + per semester to learn stuff they could find off a few google searches and library rentals.
Right? 99% of whats taught can just be found on the internet. My algebra class this past semester, all the ‘notes’ on slideshows were just embedded youtube videos lmao
My junior high best friend went to trade school instead of traditional college, he long graduated debt free and is now making 80 a year before taxes.
While I’m still doing my MBA, with unholy amount of debt. I guess he is the smarter one
neither choice is smarter, just depends on the life path you want to take. he will probably make 80 (which is no doubt pretty comfortable) for the rest of his career while you'll probably make a little more right out the gates with the opportunity to earn VASTLY more in the future.
@Xardion there are truck driver out her making 30k A WEEK! Trade school is where it’s at and you don’t have to work for the government to make good money.
Construction trades do pay well, but the construction field can be unethical at times in how they treat worker. Typically the people who make good money are the ones who go above and beyond. A person with less then a year of experience isn't going to just jump into a job making 80k a year, unless he is working a ridiculous amount of overtime. Also there's saying that goes on in the construction field, that if you ever get hurt and need to collect workers compensation, you better be looking for another job while your our recovering, because when you return you're more then likely going to be fired.
Community College attendees are increasing.
yeah and there are community colleges that have trade and technical programs and they really help those in the military
We should develop community colleges more. The whole system needs to be reshaped
@@PershingOfficial It's also the mindset that society and families place on kids to go to a 4-year university directly, instead of using the community college transfer route into a university (getting the gen ed requirements out of the way at a fraction of the price). High schools like it because they can have the bragging rights when students graduate and go into university (ignoring those who go into CC or a trade school).
That, coupled with the amenities which universities use to attract potential students (the whole "Well, this other school has X, so I want you to also have it if you want me coming to you"), means that the school ends up having to spend money which it otherwise wouldn't need to, and the institution needs those funds recouped.
Good! The education I received there was better than at university!
College ceased preparing young people for life AGES ago.
I'm not sure colleges ever guaranteed to prepare you for life. That was suppose to be your parents.
"Higher Administration costs" Ding ding
I've been saying this since 2007 when I decided to leave UC Berkeley as a graduating senior. Traditional university education is outdated, and UC Berkeley is a very good school (if you plan on pursuing a career in research). I'm very intellectually curious, a life-long learner, and genuinely enjoyed going to lecture....even though I saw it as largely useless in the real world.
I could see this coming years ago, and I'm not a genius. The business model has been flawed for decades now, and I laugh just a little every time I read a job posting that requires someone have a 4 year college degree, unless that job is for a profession like law, medicine, dentistry, engineering or architecture.
What adolescents need to learn is EMPATHY, EMOTIONAL INTELLIGENCE, DELAYED GRATIFICATION, healthy self-esteem, how to work with others, how to manage their difficult emotions professionally, and how to be resilient and tolerate struggle and discomfort a little.
The world has changed and universities are to stagnant and rigid to change as quickly as they needed to do so, and WHEN they needed to do so (well over a decade ago).
I wonder if it’s better if high schools and middle school operate more like therapeutic schools for those years and then higher education is different. Because for the most part large swaths of students are doing remedial study and some basics are just a re-hash of high school but with academic paper requirements at a point where you’re more brain wise mature to take on the subject matter.
@@FreyaEinde I think it would be most helpful to society if adults learned how to parent infants and toddlers effectively so that when they do get to school age they have the ability to learn elementary education so that when they reach middle school/junior high and high school they are equipped to study, learn, and make choices about whether or not they want to go the route of going into debt to receive a four year degree, or perhaps maybe learn a professional trade instead, or maybe even work an entry level job for a year or two so that they can mature a bit, get some perspective about what it takes to support themselves in the real world, and then decide what they may want to do in life.
Right now, the culture, the education system, and political system is so messed up in the US that I don't ever foresee that happening.
Kids are not being taught how to function in the world, which is something they need to know more than they do how to write a paper or how to comprehend subject matter so that they can write a paper.
We have some HUGE fundamental problems with how children are being treated in the most critical...and I do mean critical...brain development years (birth to age 8) and until we get that more properly calibrated to give little ones what they NEED...not want...NEED to develop a healthy brain, nothing else is going to matter in society.
Once that is handled, then we can focus on reading, writing, arithmetic and plunging oneself into 50-100K in college debt that can never be discharged.
@@le_th_ I agree with a lot of what you've said. Unfortunately in a market where both parents usually have to work to support a small child they don't get that attention early on or into their teen years. It seems like we always have to make concessions for these policies that have jacked everybody up. In a way free childcare would help alleviate that early childcare issue but so would shorter work-days and weeks and more remote work. I think the answer is to do all of these things.
@@FreyaEinde Yes, we've become a society where status and the ability to buy things is more important than taking care of little ones those first critical five years.
In some cities (the big cities where I've lived i.e. NY, LA & SF) it really does take two incomes just to provide housing and food for a child, but in most of the US that is not the case. People could survive on one income if they didn't buy expensive cars/trucks and purchased less expensive homes, etc. Certainly, there are some families where both parents must work just to get by, and that's true in every city/town that some people earn so little that both must work and it's not about having things that really cost more than they can afford.
Sadly, regardless of income, many people just do not understand what little ones need...their time and attention...so they spend money on buying them toys and things rather than making the time investment. There are exceptions to that rule, but I would not say that good parenting is the norm by any stretch.
I wish I had a solution, but I don't.
Good. We need less 4 year colleges. But we do need better high schools and more technical schools. Most people are wasting their time getting a four year degree.
This wouldn't be a problem if colleges is run more like a education system and isn't run like a business.
Actually, the opposite is true. Tuition went up partly because of financial aid. This incentiviced administrators to raise prices and add on stupid courses that are totally unnecessary.
"Run more like a education system and isn't run like a business."
*For example, when a liberal arts college spends three times what people want to pay for it, the colleges should be "run more like a education system" and do what exactly? Perpetuate a mediocre school no one wants by what means? And why?*
*I would love to know what "run like a education system" means to you.*
D May it’s easy to explain imagine if poor people ( who make up a majority btw) had to pay for high school, guess what?!!! They wouldn’t go to high school. plenty of countries provide free college tuitions when you invest in your students the market benefits.
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@@dmay3391 Ever studied abroad in Germany or Finland (literally anywhere with free college education)? Those countries treat colleges like an education system, not to earn profit. Most if their funding comes from the government, not the students. And now look at how well they are doing. Ex: an average engineer from Germany makes 1.4x that of U.S, engineers. The problem is how schools are managed by the tax payers' dollars. It seems you are reflecting rather than making than make a logically argument. To put it in terms you can comprehend, it's not about how much money you have, it's about how you spend it.
This is not necessarily a bad thing. This is just the wheat being separated from the chaff.
A ton of conservatives these days think schools shouldn't even exist.
@@bluehotdog2610 i would agree to that
@@ricardoh87 So then how are people supposed to learn?
@@bluehotdog2610 part of the school’s propaganda is teaching us that “education” can only come from a government institution.
@@Countcho private schools exist, and most well-known universities are private schools. Problem is either getting in or affording one.