IN PREVIOUS LOOP'S WHERE RUDEUS DIDN'T EXIST (YOU MIGHT NOT KNOW) (SPOILERS)
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Kinda interesting that Eris wanting to protect and help rudeus is the reason she achieves her maximum potential as one of the best swordsman
Well I mean yes and no she can become a sword emperor if she wanted to beat one then trained more and maybe became sword god who knows
@@thomaszimmer371 i think eris could become a sword god, she is even stronger than Ruijerd
@@wildBob228 yeah honestly he has the power too become one but that takes 40+ years to become one she has a family now so she won’t
@@thomaszimmer371 This is actually covered in the Novels. Spoilers, obviously.
Eris sees Rudy learning how to disrupt magic after the encounter with Orsted, she thinks he wants to get revenge. Knowing the only thing she's more capable of at than him is sword fighting she goes with Ghislaine to the Sword Sanctum to learn how to defeat Orsted.
@@annatardlordofderps9181 hm I’m already fully caught up for many years now but Thankyou
How a single man can change an entire world
rudeus is truly the embodiment of this
Well to be fair third of these changes happened because of Displacement Incident. And it was caused by some Miko that wanted to save Nanahoshis Boyfriend. She summoned Nanahoshi, and during this Rudeus soul slipped into the world of MT.
Throwing a wrench into the flow of time, btw is not a single man, is 3 people, Rudeus came first, Nanahoshi later, Nanahoshis BF 100 years later. Because of a wish to Alter the future, there are key moments in the past must change.
Butterfly effect
It's not all him. Some of those were explicit consequences of the displacement event, which no one knew why it happened.
3:22
Jino Britts is fated to always surpass Gal Farion, he just does it earlier in the Rudeus timeline.
Because Nina proposed to him and he had a reason to get there earlier right ?
@@layedbackObserver6504 because of Eris
@@wildBob228 makes no sense
@@layedbackObserver6504 i mean he couldn't do it earlier because of Eris
@т bur wasn't Nina the one who got pushed because of Eris ? Hence why jino wanted to improve faster and earlier, since Nina came back from Ars in volume 20 and proposed to him on the spot
There's more, Pax never committed suicide, Zanoba wouldn't have went to Ranoa Academy, Ginger and the rest of the guards families would've still been captives by Pax. Nina Farion would've never changed her views coz she never met Rudeus. Therese would've been killed by the assassins because Eris was not there. The 3 demon kids died together in the demon forest because Eris and Ruijerd never ventured together, Roxy would've never come back home because she never searched for Rudeus in the demon continent. The daldoa tribe would've been in a disaster because Rudues was never captive, I'm guessing they wouldn't even be in that situation because Rudeus and his crew brought the hunters to that area.
where you can read about this timeloop? like whats the name of the story
@@m1tuuu486 Some of what I listed are hypothetical based on the altered story, because for example.
If the Teleportation Event didn't happen. There was no reason for Rudeus to go to Shirone Kingdom. Hence Zanoba and Pax would still be there and not sent to a different location due to the catastrophe Rudeus did to them.
Zanoba wouldn't be sent to Ranoa Academy.
For Therese no one is saving her and the girl coz Eris never came to their rescue.
@@m1tuuu486on the ln, but is not one history orsted Say thats facts to rudeus time to time, so You have to read all the ln to get all 😅
This is why most/the majority of Isekai protagonists are important to their respective worlds, otherwise darker consequences such as these happen!😄🤩😎👌
I remember when Rudeus learned Eris was hitched to Luke in another timeline, he was nervous watching the first time Eris and Luke met in the current timeline. He felt like he is being NTR’ed. 😂
lol
then their child got married in the end 😅
wait so in the old rudeus timeline eris marries luke ???? i thought it was in the timeline where he did not exist
@@spookycheese6218 No, eris marries luke only in the timeline where rudy not exist
@HarD4545 what happens to the eris that Rudy rejects in the original time line (before he travels back in time to our anime time line rudeus)
@@spookycheese6218 I'll make it simple.
Rudy doesn't exist = Eris Married Luke
Current Rudy = Eris Married Rudy
Dark Old Rudy = Eris died because protecting Rudy (This made Dark Rudy realize Eris was always loving+faithful to him and then he told to current Rudy to apologize to Eris)
The title of this video by itself spoils one of the most important concepts that is introduced in the last volumes, maybe at the end of Season 3 of the anime if not even later. Could you use another title? Maybe something like "What would have happened if Rudy didn't exist (Vol 20+ spoilers)"
Yeah i saw the title and immediately went, wait so there were alternate timelines where rudeus didn’t get reincarnated into the world?
"Single forever"
Itogami standing ovation
mushoku timeline are weird as fuck
it first run normal, until orsted twist it and make it a loop every 200years, where he keep looping it again2 and again, and then rudy and nanahoshi come to the loop and break it, but the one that make that happen in the first place are situated faar in the future of the line itself, did the timeline create itself? to reach the summoner, rudy and nanahoshi need to break osted loop, but the one that sent them there are the summoner
the 3rd timeline, the bad route are easier, it's simply run pararel, hitogami tried to missdirect rudy to prevent his demise, but old rudy travel back to the future, and set the path guideline so rudy didn't go the bad route
As Orsted made alterations to try to win his war against Hitogami this had the unintended impact of having the Asura kingdom summoning someone from another reality(ours). The process by which this occurred was done again after that persons death trying to summon that person again. This is what teleported Rudeus' soul and Nanahoshi to the Six-sided world. Because of their existence in the six-sided world the timeline is mangled even more, beyond Orsteds remembering. This teleportarton also caused the Teleportation disaster when Rudy was 10(Turning Point 1).
even rudeus ask "what timeline comes first, future or past"
orsted loop timeline is he changed the history according to his plan. if ever he died he can continue the loop until he manage to get in the void
@Annatard Lord of Derps didn't the rebirth Miko, one of the gifted children, cause Nanahoshi, Rudeus, and Shinohara Akihito to be transported to the six-sided-world? I thought that the miko was trying to save a guy she liked, which activated her powers, and she pulled the soul of the guy which was already gone back to his body, which caused a rift in space-time and jerked the 3 from the original world there as sort of collateral damage?
Don't worry about it
@@layedbackObserver6504 It is Miko who caused the Rudeus Timeline.
The only human who remember all of Time loop from Orsted, and can summon a ''Hero''. Always end up being killed by her followers and tortured from birth to death
You can also affect the world same way. Make the best of your potential.
“Sylphy not married”💀💀💀
did Rudeus known all of this in the novel? if he does, it would've broke him. imagine all those people dear to him would've been alive if he never existed.
Yes , he made their life miserable
@@mouhssinepolarNow you know, the whole Rudues's life was just a prologue for the best girl Orsted.
What do you mean by best girl Orsted?🗿🤔
@@zakiaziz250
Because Orsted is the best wifu and his love for Rudeus is the strongest.
He himself said that if this loop was also a failure and Rudeus is present in the next loop - Orsted will do everything he can to meet with him and make friends! Isn’t that just lovely?^_^
Yes. Orsted told him
You might be wrong about Aisha, after all she will eventually become the Prodigy Knight who is the original summoner of Akihito, which directly leads to Rudeus
I love the fact that Roxy never married anyone beside Rudeus.
And Sylphie as well.
Rudeus got em rizz
Rudeus is a chad that
and the fact that she and sylphy are still close to each other even without him
Why are you mentioning only Roxy? Sylphy also didnt marry anyone.
Hilda never dies
Bro the crying Eris on the thumbnail is breaking my heart
Would love to see Rudeus interact with these characters in this alternative time line.
Interesting 😮
Hello there :D
well the question is
if they all know about this
which loop would they choose
especially Eris since both loop are pretty meaningful for her, its like sacrificing Rudeus in order to have her parents alive, or sacrificing them in order to have Rudeus and all of her future new family
I've yet to come to the point in the light novels where cliff actually accomplishes anything I'm only in volume 8 because I just started reading them all today
Give him time.. He certainly comes through in the long run..
He Is a genius, ya know lol
Thought in the web novel Elinaise curse was never cured
I find it interesting that somehow Ruijerd comes into contact with Norn. How did that happen? When does norn ever go to the demon continent, and need to be escorted somewhere by ruijerd. What's the deal? Shouldn't se still be affected by the curse given Ruijerd probably wouldn't have shaved his head. I feel like that plot point is a little strange
As much as I remember, Rudeus was born in every timeline, but he was a stillborn in each of them, but in the timeline of the current story, his body was inhabited by the soul of the NEET who died and got reincarnated here
Yes.
I didn't read the light novel, but I can guess that this is coming from Orsted, right?
Don't worry about it
Orsted doesnt care
Yes, this video is describing the typical chain of events Orsted remembers.
I didn't read the spoiler part and clicked 💀
TH-cam is diabolical for recommending this to me when I'm an anime only...
Like one look was all it took to spoil the upcoming episodes. *Sigh*
[Spoiler] its not that Rudeus never existed in previus loops, but that, an Blesst Child [xxxx] never wisht to Save Nanahoshi,s bf
The fact some people still fated to meet snd go far is cool
Symphie being destined be a mage regardless of if rudy teaches her is cool
Norn allways being destined ro meet ruijerd is interestong but cool still
And nanahoshi will never have a chance to go back to her world.and honeslty hitgomai didnt care if rudues was here or not.but yeah the most of the fates are good.
Nanahoshi and rudeus are in mushoku world for the same reason, so if rudeus doesnt exist neither would nanahoshi
Roxie and Sylphie never married anyone but lived together regardless. 🤨
I just got spoiled by this video without playing it, because TH-cam auto plays it and apparently you don't give a second with a spoiling warning ffffff
It's literally in the title 😂
i wanna watch it, but i shouldn't... T.T
So no one die but not happy.
All dies in 80 years naturally or violente
Dark timeline:change word "no" to "every"
In short, without our mc Rudeus, there is no Mushoko Tensei jobless reincarnation anime.
Dungeon Conqueror is basically Frieren
Wait, are these in result of Rudy directly not existing, or also Nanohoshi not existing and never causing the teleportation catastrophe?
Yep.
Rudeus being who he is caused that much of a butterfly effect. I don't remember how Rudeus's existence affected Nanahoshi's fate though, other than the fact that she would not live long enough to meet the time miko that brought the 3 of them to Mushoku Tensei's world.
Oh wait, there's also Oldeus's intervention. That meeting also had a butterfly effect in the timeline.
@@Shuwa217 Rudeus and Nanahoshi only enter the world in the same timeline, their arrival was caused by the same event.
Glad both roxy and sylphy became yuri couple as if both of them meant for rudeus.
Lmao, they're not couple. They're both unmarried.
I know, but a good bond between is nice and looks reserved.
Kind of a mixed bag. Some people's lives didn't improve but a lot of them survived. Eris parents didn't deserve to get killed off screen like that. How was the teleportation accident Rudeus fault though?
So the teleportation accident never happen in this timeline? Maybe i need to read the novel
Yes. It's a world without Rudeus. Rudeus accidentally caused the incident by changing fate.
The pros outweigh the cons
I don't get it, why would Paul and Zenith call Roxy to teach magic to Sylphy?
They didn't. They met by chance.
This what if Scenario is a great stretch. First thing out the gates is the anything related to Norn and Aisha. In case you forgot Aisha’s mom was planning to leave to go have her daughter after helping Zenith with her pregnancy. Rudy stopped her from leaving as she was planning to leave quietly without telling anyone. Her leaving like that would have especially dangerous and could have possibly caused her death so anything in that regards is out of the question there’s also the fact that Zenith would most likely responded completely different to Paul cheating on her and left him to go live with her strict overbearing mother and Norn would have grown up as a member of the Milis faith also meaning she would have grown up with her grandmother’s dislike for the demon tribe which means she would never write anything positive about Supbards tribe like you’re suggesting she would. This entire list is off bruh and doesn’t take into consideration what most of the characters are like outside of meeting Rudy. What’s more there no way Roxy and Syphy would ever have crossed paths. Remember she was also hired to be that perverted nobleman’s teacher if Roxy hadn’t met Rudy and didn’t leave to go search for Rudy because of the incident then chances are high the dude would have been successful in his plans to drug and lock up Roxy in his dungeon and raped her with nobody to stop him. As for Sylphy she’d remain bullied and harassed by those kids into her teen life never gaining the self confidence she got from hanging out with Rudy and her parents with no clue how to help her she’d end up live as an outcast in the village
Actually even without rudeus zenit will accept lilia either way because she have a stillborn in her first pregnancy. so many wife in the medieval age actually will forgive their husband on infidelity after their miscarriage
And its actually confirm by the author that lilia will still be accepted into the family but zenith and paul relationship will never be the same eventhough they are still married
This evidenced by orshted knowing that paul only having 2 daughter (norn and aisha) that mean norn and aisha are still grow up together
It is confirmed in the LN. details are spoilers.
The only consistent is Norn and ruijerd daughter.
well *spoiler alert*
... this is cannon actualy so, not much to argue about really
@@strangedogg5068 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Then Pax never died. And become the king and abdicate the throne to become his shirone kingdom to be a republic that helps a lot against hitogami and laplace in the future also laplace will guaranteed born on shirone in the future
Hitagami might well have prevented that. That was one of the things that was fought back and fourth over.
How are Philip and Hilda not dead if Rudeus is not there? Like... Were the boreas family together or something? Cause the reason eris' grandfather died was because he was held responsible for the teleportation incident's consequences, right?
You got spoiled.
no Rudeus = fate is not altered = Nanahoshi is not summoned = no mana disaster = Hilda and Philip don't die, among others
So there are two loopers that keep repeating and messing with the timeline.
Spoiler
Hitogami and Orseted
@@mr_0n10n5 pretty sure Hitogami doesn't know about the whole time loop thing. He just knows that Orsted's out to kill him
@@TheyCallMeDio Hitogami knows Orsted is looping. He just doesn't know the mechanics of it; when it starts, when it ends and why
@@mr_0n10n5hitogami doesnot know orsted is looping
@@mr_0n10n5hitogami doesn't loop. He can only see his future.
Without Rudeus loop, Jino can't become Sword God and can't defeat Gal..why is that!?
Can anyone tell me the fact of time loop???what is the meaning of rudeus exist or not???
well if you mind spoiler I can say it's Orsted's lore, if you don't...
but I guess you already know all the spoilers so... rudeos existance means if Orsted can win his war against hitogami or not
@@strangedogg5068 I only know that without him there are a world exist where eris,Roxy and sylphie belong.but I don't know the full explanation.
Okay am seeing this after 1 years since this video was published but most of the information here is wrong.
For example :- 1) How can Sylphy was trained by Roxy
2) How did Norm learn about Superd if he wasnt introduced by Rudy
3) Ghislaine becoming a one of the 7 knights of Asura is nothing to do with Rudeus.
Amd many ither info which is wrong or missleading
Norn was always destined to meet and marry Rujierd. The only thing that changes with Rudeus's arrival is the circumstances of how it happens. Sylphy is still a magical prodigy even in timelines where Rudeus doesn't exist, which is how she met Roxy; Roxy was here teacher instead of Rudeus's. Ghislaine's life took a very different turn without Rudeus's intervention. All of this is revealed in the light novel.
@@1000rogueleader Yes I remember in every other timeline rudeus was stillborn and Normal and Aisha were the only girls he had.
Yes Sylphy was always interested in magic but bcoz of rudeus she gained confidence way to quickly and learnt wordless incantation. That's why she uses words in other timelines.
I didn't much remember about Ghisalaine but according to the anime she was already 1 of the 7 knight of Ashura kingdom so I still find it odd.
All the things I said from the anime and manga combined so it may vary
Sylphie and Roxy both shared the profession of adventurer is how they meet. Norn meets Rujerd when she explores a dungeon and Rujerd rescues her after her party is killed. Ghislane would have remained in the service of the Boreas if they hadn't been wiped out.
If rudues didn't exist aisha will die bc lilya had to leave after cheating with paul in the ice cold winter.and norn will never meet rujured so rujured fate will be the same forever.
No, Zenith forgives Illia whether Rudeus is there or not, so Illia doesn't die either way. Everything in this video is canon to the series.
It's specified that Norn becomes a mediocre adventurer following in her father's footsteps, then Rujerd rescues her from a dungeon exploration gone wrong. This is very important because the two's daughter helps fight Laplace.
Does this mean Julie never got saved too? 😢
Yes
In that timeline Julie probably died in her cage.
Pretty Aisha would’ve been dead. Since without Rudeus there she would’ve been kicked out by Zenith when Paul’s affair came to light no?
Even without Rudeus it wouldn't have happened. He just made things smoother, but in the end they weren't the kinds of people that would let her die like that.
That's what I remember reading as well. Guess that fact changed from the WN to Paul somehow managing to keep them together in the LN.
Zenith isn't that cruel, BUT the marriage never recovers.
Where to read the light novel
theres an audio book chanel in yt
its called Dr. Novel
novel bin
Pretty much a doomed timeline cause hitogami won
It's basically a typical timeline, there were more than a hundred of them. But for instance, Orsted gets shocked by how much better Eris is than he remembers, because she never met her true potential in any other timeline.
0:21 im pretty sure aisha would be dead
As others pointed out, Zenith forgives Aisha's mother for sleeping with her husband regardless of Rudeus's intervention, so Aisha is still alive in timelines where Rudeus didn't exist. That's how Orsted knew about her.
would Eris died or worse sold as a slave after she got kidnapped but was helped by Rudeus and rescued by Gislaine?
I think that might not have happened cause rudeus wasn't there to plan things out
yeah the kidnapping happened because it was rudeus's idea in the first place
@@impliedsaturn3713 nope Rudy made it easier. The butler Rudy spoke was planning to do something from the get go. He was just waiting for the right opportunity to strike. Rudy made things easier by convincing her to go out with him. What’s more GLaine found them partially thanks to Rudy’s magic. So without Rudy the kidnapping would still have happened at a later date only this time nobody would’ve suspected the butler to be behind it and chances are they’d have sold or done worse to Eris because of her attitude
@@markissacs7784and your assumption never happened in the novel of that timeline right?
@@dewaabiyyu761 if we talking about the novel then nope she never would’ve gotten kidnapped and would’ve eventually married the princesses bodyguard I believe forgot the dude’s name
Norn wouldve been mage tho
Girl = mage
Boy = swordsman
Norn doesn't really have any magical aptitude like here brother and sister. She takes up the sword like her father.
2:44 he's immortal ?
(Joke , don't reply)
He survived*
So it's rudeus fault that the teleport incident happend?? Why??.....
No.
No, it's more like the reason why Rudeus is there is because the same entity probably also caused the teleport incident.
It's not really his fault. A Blessed Child from 100 years in the future caused it. But the world was resisting Nanahoshi's appearance until Rudeus changed fate enough for the world to break, hence the displacement incident.
who the fack is cliff
that annoying as boy in the ova of eris
where is told all of this?
Mostly by Orsted.
When Orsted talking with rudy in Light Novel,I think Vol 16/17
Orsted talking about previous loops.
Overall a pretty good timeline and arguably better then the one with Rudeus, given that the mana disaster didn't happen.
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Orsted Time loop curse is tied with the "Time Rewind Miko/Playback Miko" at some point in time due to the Miko's low fate(Having High FATE means having the power to influence major world events because of the role that they must fulfill) she dies easily and each time she dies she rewinds time. The date and time that the miko dies is the same deadline for Orsted to kill Hitogami. Everytime the Miko dies she retains her memory just like Orsted. Because of Miko's wish of avoiding death and ending the endless loop she managed to summon Rudy(old man Rudy's timeline) but she still died so she wished again for someone to save her from this endless loop this time the mana calamity happened and nanahoshi was summoned... Sometime in the future Nanahoshi's BF Arrives in their world(nanahoshi and her bf both got summoned but arrived in different time period) and would play a major role in defeating Laplace and Hitogami. Whether the Miko survived in the end is unknown.
nanahoshi's bf got summoned too? what chapter is that? all I know is that nanahoshi hibernate herself in perugius castel
i would like to read that webnovel please
More than her not wanting to die, its actually for the hero that was summoned by the country she serves.She fell inlove with the hero but the hero always dies so she summoned someone to prepare everything for that hero(aka rudeus and nanahishi being summoned), even at the cost of her losing her rewind power.
so Rudeus was an accident that happened to be beneficial for that world in the future ?
@@carlososler7024 i wouldnt call it an accident
"Sylphie and Roxy never married anybody" that's because they fell in love with each other obviously☝️😌
they really love each other but more like a mother and daughter or a master and her breeder, it doesn’t go any further xD
Probably not, she never game any indication she had much inclination of swinging that way, even when living with her in the same house.
Lara would be born without rudeus because orsted tells us in the manga
Is it spinoof or made up?
Also you should call it "the good timeline" xd
In the main story orsterd has experienced many loops and the one with success has rudeus, he occasionally brings up well this happened instead or didn’t
This was supposed to be the original timeline where rudeus didn't exist but due to someone rudeus got isekai'd and things got a little bit better mainly for orsted.
good timeline for anyone but it a bad timeline for osrted
@@doi2511 also bad timeline for rudeus' friends and wifes
@т exactly. Paul is alive, and Zenith is healthy, but they don't get along at all. Elinalise has to survive without the curse getting treated. Silphy and Roxy single forever, and therefore not Lara, Lily, Lucy, or Sieg as well. Eris gets Luke (which is also worse than the MT timeline). Zanoba doesn't have a good friend and cultured partner without Rudy. Cliff never reaches his full potential, and Clife doesn't exist. Isolte, Nina and Eris never become friends. No Ars and Christina. Best girl Orsted alone forever in his war 😔
Eris ended up with Luke loser, damn!!!
luke is an average ikemen noble
At least Eris whole family didnt die
@@azminalibsp4800 still worst did happen
@Azmin Ali BSP can't fault Rudy for that though. Rudeus is a better man than Luke, despite his many flaws.
imagine luke knows rudeus robs his wife
Dude WTF , put a spoiler alert for God dammit you spoil the new season on the first seconds
Roxy and Sylphie have gay love
So all of this deaths , problems , calamitys are ridius fault
Kind off and the same time no.
Some of the characters still die.
Stated on Old Dragon's Tale. (A prequel to Mushoku tensei)
And even if Rudeus didn't exist some characters that still alive in our current Rudeus will be died.
Yes and no
Wait Blue should marry Green!