I serve as German Soldier in the 23rd Gebirgsjägerbrigade (231st Gebirgsjägerbattalion) since 2005 when i turned 18 and back then we Germans had to go to "Musterung" as 18 year old Male. I did 2 Tours in Afghanistan and 1 Tour in Kosovo via KFOR. I also went many Times to Poland to help train Polish Soldiers in "Harsh Terrain and Weather Conditions" I never met one Polish Soldier both in Afghanistan in Combat nor when i trained Polish Soldiers who was saying anything bad about Germany, Comments like this you only see from Polish Keyboard Warriors, just like you see anti-Polish Comments only from German Keyboard Warriors. This Comment Section sadly shows this but luckily Imbeciles like those People are a Minority and i know if a War breaks out throughout Europe, every Polish Soldier will defend a German Life just like we Germans will defend a Polish Life As with all Videos online about Poland and Germany, the Comment Section is full of People from both Countries claiming they're entirely superior because of the Hatred towards eachother they picked up from the Propagandists in their Country, i hope most People reading these realise that and know better instead of taking it as Fact Ever proper Polish Patriot i did Military Excercise with also told me to ignore all the "Poles online who talk Crap about Germany as none of them actually ever met any German nor served in the Military." Prost & Cheers from Berchtesgaden in the Bavarian Alps
"I know if a War breaks out throughout Europe, every Polish Soldier will defend a German Life just like we Germans will defend a Polish Life." To be honest, I have no sympathy for you Germans for historical reasons, because of what happened to my ancestors at your hands. I also do not like the policy of your authorities towards my country, although I understand it. Everyone looks after their own interests. However, if what you wrote in the fragment I quoted was written sincerely, I support it with all my heart. Grüße aus Polen, aus Bydgoszcz ( aus Bromberg :) ). Einen schönen Tag noch.
@@pawewazik455 Don't judge Germans born after WW2 for what happened, that's what all Polish Soldiers told me which makes Sense. Though i obviously can't judge you on your personal Feelings towards my Country, but if you judge Germans who never did anything against Poland because they were not even alive back then, you look unreasonable That said, i'm not Polish, so i don't want to pretend i know your Situation just like i expect Polish People to not act like they know how German People deal with their Past nor judge them. So we are on the same Page, luckily! Hope to visit Bydgoszcz (Bromberg) and other Polish Cities with and without German History someday!
Severely underrated comment my friend. Luckily Binkov's vid is entirely hypothetical and poor Belgians such as myself can rest easy knowing that there are 3000 km and a whole lot of German AND Polish manpower and steel between Brussels and Vlad's meat grinder slave army. Cheers to all of you!
@@chartreux1532 I am not judging You, people born after World War II, that would be senseless, even stupid. I am judging You as a Nation. It is not You personally who are guilty of what Your ancestors did, but it is You, the Germans, who did it.
@AVGVSTVSXENOPHONE AFD is one of those parties that is a thorn in the side of a united Europe, sure. But they could never convince Germans to have a war IN Europe again. That would be insanity.
According to a Gallup International survey conducted in late 2023, the willingness to fight for one's country varies significantly between Poland and Germany. In Poland, approximately 60% of respondents expressed readiness to defend their nation if a war arose. In contrast, only about 43% of Germans indicated a willingness to do the same.
@@amogususus12 youre lowering Polish population and raising Germans. 38milion of the poles, about 60milion of native germans. Althought i doubt these numbers as Polish patriotism is on another level, pretty sure 8 out of 10 poles will fight for its country if real war breaks out.
How about a hypothetical 2030 Polish/Baltic States vs Russia match-up (assuming Ukraine WAr ends by 2026, taking in into account what we now know of the quality of Russian armed forces?
it would be a very hard video to make, are we assuming the definitive end of the the ukraine war and a russian army rebuilt and learned from the war lessons ? and poland plus baltic states vs russia with the rules stated in this video ? if yes for both then it is hard not to see a russian victory.
As a Pole i will say... Well i think polish army is like a big Wall that will defend strong and waiting for our friends and allies like Germany ond other countries to help push back enemies(Russia, Belarus). Every country in nato have a special role. Thats why we are Allies to help each other in time of need. Like Great Britain have navy and Germany have big industry and Poland have many artillery and ground army.
@@Ja_ich259Bo był oparty na tanim rosyjskim gazie i w znacznym stopniu na taniej, aczkolwiek fachowej sile roboczej z Europy Środkowo-wschodniej,a jedno i drugie to już przeszłość...w przyszłości natomiast nad Niemcami wisi widmo amerykańskich ceł...USA to w roku 2024 największy partner gospodarczy Niemiec,bilans handlowy między tymi krajami jest zdecydowanie na korzyść Niemiec,więc będzie bolało...
@@BógHonorOjczyzna-j4x Sad that you can't write in English. Not USA is the most trade-partner of Germany, EU is, then comes China, then USA. Germany is on the 3th place among the richest countries, overrun Japan lately. You are right, that Germany uses a lot of workers from east-EU, but also a lot of (former) Immigrants, like it was all the time, for example the half of the miners before WW1 was Polnish in Ruhr area. It was all the time, that workers seek their future in big Industry-countries. Maybe that's why Poland will get into trouble in future, because thier population over-ages, too few children and too restrictive, too afraid of immigrants. I hope you are not a PIS-follower, brainless nationalist and belive their and Fox propaganda: Things in Germany are not as dangerous as some of the right-wing medias want it to be.
@@obamacare_grucha Sad for whom... others don't have a problem with it, maybe you, as a German, have a problem with writing in German... and you have outdated data, the USA overtook China in this respect in 2024... and it's none of your business who I am supporter...It's funny, because many Germans hoped that PiS would overturn the current European table, i.e. Europe's return to normality... of course, the return of the right wing to power in Poland is a matter of time, in a rather shorter time perspective...
As fun as these videos are i want to just say: i'm glad we could overcome somewhat the dark history of the 20th century (always remembered!) and working on becoming great partners and friends in the 21th century. Poland is a great nation with rich culture and great people and i'm happy you stand alongside us germans and the other european countrys. Glad to have you!
@@Matt-sx2pg While you not wrong about greed, powerstruggles, atrocitys, et cetera done at that time frame I specifically mentioned only the 20th and 21th in my comment because its the relevant timeframe for the expression i wanted to make towards the polish reader. The 'germans' or better the people who lived in the todays area of modern Germany developed a modern sense of nationality around the early 19th century. At this time even 'holy roman empire' didn't exist any more an the area was splittered into many kingdomes and duchys - no nation states (in modern sense) but ruled by nobel families. Even with the unification in 1872 (now you could speak of a german national state) the 'German Empire' was lead predominantly by noble houses. After WWI the 'Weimar Republic' was the first constitutional Republic. The point i want to make is merely the following: Prior to the Weimarer Republik the actions were only power struggles between noble houses after that the term germans does fully apply and we have to take full responsibility for what happened after. (I'm fully aware this is really a short comment on the topic and the youtube comment section isn't the right place for such an conversation. But i didn't want to leave the previous comment uncommented)
It's almost like Poland is building a massive land army with plenty of tanks, artillery and other stuff that can't be transferred from abroad easily while relying on it's many allies to provide air support, ammo and fuel supplies, satellite recon etc.
@@liquidrock8388 yeah, although it needs to br emphasized - no nato army save maybe France (to an extent) is truly self reliant. By design, they are all built to support and be supported by the USA. Maybe that changes in the future maybe not. Would not exactly be great for the Americans to no longer have Europeans dependent on them
@@liquidrock8388 Poland have very poor logistics based on fleet 1980's trucks and also now mess with 3 types of MBT's. The difference is when Poles may laugh at state of "in-repair" vehicles of Bundeswehr, the German "faults" may be just non-fuctional lights in military equipment due their regoristic checks. Compared to that, in Polish army, is popular cannibalism of vehicles and barely working military equipment used till it itself get cannibalised for parts to other vehicles.
@liquidrock8388 Poland does have a decent number of their own technology - IFV and AFV Borsuk, Rosomak, Bóbr, Self propelled artillery 155mm Krab, as well as some rocket launchers Piorun, Grad, anti tank grenades Komar, and machine guns Grot. However it does lack heavy weaponry such as tanks, fighter aircraft, helicopters... it has to get those from outside and that doesn't help with developing their own technology.
Polish Patriot battery is nearly twice the size of German one. At least if my math is correct. AFAIK German battery consists of 2 fire units, while Polish battery has 8 launchers in each. For comparison, US battery has 6 launchers in it.
@Vor10min. ?? POLISH are mobile too, so what's your point? The only difference is that Polish ones still aren't fully combat ready. First battery only completed Initial Combat Readiness or something like that I don't remember correct name
@Vor10min. So far Poland has recieved 2 Patriot batteries (16 launchers all altogether ). The next 6 batteries (48 launchers) will be in a different set up and will be put on trucks, just like the German ones.
@@ukasztokarski3715 Nie. Tak są "ciągnione" przez Jelcze ale strzelają już z dala od nich. W fazie II Wisły będą one strzelały tak jak niemieckie, czyli w tym przypadku z Jelczy (w sensie ciężarówka nie będzie ich odstawiała, tak jak jest teraz).
Poland has prepared for a war since 1990, even more so since 2014. Germany has not. The Bundeswehr would run out of artillery ammunition in a week if not sooner. They lack spare parts, modern radios, you name it. Logistcs is for peacekeeping and peacetime only. Staff officers have not prepared for a total war. Maximum battalion size operations are properly trained for. After two weeks German forces would have lost their mobility, offensive capability and artillery while Poland would be gearing up to full steam.
Poland bought few satellites already and will buy more. In 2023 we bought 2 French satellites, in 2024 we bought 4 Polish ones and we plan to buy at least 3 more in 2025/26. French ones were optical, and future Polish ones will be SAR.
I don't know where did you get army sizes but in July 2024, Poland's defense ministry informed that current standing army surpassed 200 thousand troops mark.
That is bullshit, Poland in 2029 will have strongest land army in Europe … they can easily beat germany , even right now with 230 000 active military personel
What happens when they're gone? Available Manpower and factory production plays a big role in attrition. I wouldn't count Poland out though. From what I'm seeing, they are building up quite the mighty military. I think it could go either way depending on who wants it more
German here, I'm glad this is a hypothetical war and our two countries are firmly allied. Even more so that Poland is geared up to be a significant military powerhouse that serves as a good deterrence against Russia.
In fact, your real ally is Russia. Of course, I believe and appreciate the sympathies of individual german people . However, your policy as a state, the mentality and views of the vast majority have long been linked to Russia. Your economy without cheap raw materials from Russia is unable to cope with fair competition with other countries. That's why Nord Stream 1 & 2 was such a priority for you. Right now, your priority is to protect Russian funds frozen in Europe. You will do everything to ensure that they are not used by Ukraine. We could talk for a long time about your real policy, how you bypass sanctions to continue trading with Russia. As I mentioned earlier, I appreciate your personal sympathy, but it has nothing to do with real German politics.
@@doom9603 they are not talking about goods. Hydrocarbons and rare metals were really important for you. We don't know the exact impact on German economy currently but you should either get along with Russia side or pick Azerbaijan (and in extend with Türkiye) to replace those resources. France did this with Kazakhstan for uranium. Which explains that Germany has become okay with euro fighter sales to Türkiye as rejecting before, as a good start
A few corrections: 1. Poland bought Pleiades Neo satellites from France. 2. Abouth a month ago Poland bought MQ-9B SkyGuardian UAVs to replace loaned Reapers. 3. In 2029 Poland is about to have 212 Krab howitzers, not 100 (there will be some delays probably, but not so big). I have to agree, in a long term Germany would prevail (stronger economy and militaty production nearly always win in such scenario). Of course it is purely theoretical. In reality, German ammo's production would be very helpful for Poland if it has to defend itself from Russia. Also, Poland counts on NATO's rapid air forces support, which seems to be more likely than quick support of allied land forces. Polish armed forces are expanded for one and only reason - deterrence or defence from potential Russian invasion.
I have to admit that Germany probably wouldn't have had time to switch its industry to war production. With such an advantage in artillery and tanks with strong anti-aircraft defense, the Polish army wouldn't have waited for months and would rather have stormed Germany
@@krystiantalma2811 I don't think Luftwaffe would let Polish Army move deep into German territory. Also in 2029 Polish air defence wouldn't be complete. Anyway, it doesn't matter to me at all, our armed forces are built to defend Polish soil, not to attack Germany :) Have a good night.
@@andrewkachan4209 Nonsense, the territorial defense in Ukraine also fights and secures the front. It can also be used as an occupation police. The territorial defense has anti-tank and anti-aircraft weapons so it is not a small threat.
@@andrewkachan4209 territorial defence is something like "a citizen army" or sth like that. It is true, that it will not be good for a highly-intensive battles with a lot of maneuvers and all kinds of combined arms. But I will use the Ukrainian example for that topic As long as Ukrainians were defending, minimizing losses and trying to stop russia, the war was about being smart. Setting ambushes, causing russian tanks to run out of oil, stuf like that. In that sense, forces made of citizens, that have been living in the area, educated and experienced in a very big spectrum of things were amazing. Problems began when Ukraine was to counterattack, where you sometimes need to send someone to a very dangerous task, so that someone else can conduct a maneuver, etc etc. Then, proffesional soldiers understood the tasks, while citizens were reluctant. In the summary, citizen army, territorial army etc is good enough for a fixing force, or for a cost-effective defence, ambushes etc. But to break through an enemy front you need proffesional divisions with all kind of advanced equipment and structures.
@@maksymilianszulc4872 нет, в начале войны проигрыш войск РФ это их заслуга, это традиция такая, сначала делать как попало, а потом как надо, когда кровью умоются. Территориальная оборона вооружена легких стрелковым вооружение, там даже гранатометов нет, нет группового оружия(минометы, станковые автоматические гранатометы), нет пулеметов. Даже бтр середины 70х годов станет для таких людей непреодолимым препятствием. Они не проходят тактику, слаживание. То что они выходят на полигон пострелять не значит вообще ничего, маневр важнее огня, а маневр они делать не умеют. Любой маневр в составе подразделения это сложное действие, тем более засада(которая без пулеметов и противотанковых средств возможно только на колоны с грузовиками). И самое важно, там нет офицерского состава, без грамотного управления эти люди просто "числа" в листике у министра.
I would subtract 10 million people from Germany because immigrants would definitely not fight for this country, and besides, there are 1 million Poles in Germany, so they would sabotage the economy in 1 month 😂
You shoud not be too sure for that. If your famely live in Germany and all your friends you would not want to come the war to your houses. Most people just would wait it to be over, and that would be quick
@@daha1214 They don't feel loyalty towards Germany. They don't see it as their home. When first bombs fall, they will simply enter cars and ride away to safest place. They are not even slightly assimilated, don't feel loyalty towards their closest neighbors, so thinking they will pick up rifles and risk their own lives for Germany is just ridiculous and asinine.
Actually, its not even just subtraction. That is negative 10 million people, those are 10 million people that would help Germany's enemies because they are Germany's enemies. The people that take advantage of Germany are Germany's biggest haters. The average invader from the Middle East has an extreme disdain for German blood, culture, and religion. They love what German's make but hate the Germans themselves. These people would help Poland then turn around and do the same to Poland too.
Oh god I forgot about this old series, I loved it so much. The reason I started watching this channel in the beginning, I also the real world talk about recent things going on, but the hypothetical wars against countries is so good! I love the UK vs France one hehe.
I think the German Caliphate still has great potential. However, the economic situation is getting worse every year. There is no indication that Berlin will be in a better situation in 5 years
@pep-qew well everyone has a past. Doesn't mean we shouldn't move forward with progress. Leave the past in the past but never forget it and learn from its mistakes.
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"Kept their balls"? Let's set the record straight. During the Cold War, East Germany had the second most formidable army in the Eastern Bloc, second only to the Soviet Union. On the other side, West Germany had one of the largest and most capable land armies in Europe. Both were heavily armed, well-trained, and highly competent. The idea of a demilitarized Germany is relatively new and largely stems from external pressures, particularly from Poland and France, after reunification. Agreements made during this period required Germany to significantly reduce the size of its military. This, combined with a new vision of a peaceful future, initiated a rapid process of demilitarization. In just a decade, Germany transitioned from having one of the largest and best-equipped armies to a smaller, professional force. Today’s Bundeswehr is designed primarily for peacekeeping and intervention missions-a direct result of reforms implemented in the early 2000s. However, Germany has recently started implementing significant reforms to shift back toward defensive capabilities. While Poland’s military is indeed competent, so is Germany’s. If Germany maintains its current momentum, it’s well-positioned to reclaim its role as a military leader in Europe. As for Poland "keeping their balls," it’s worth noting that they spent much of the last 70 years as a Soviet puppet state. In this context, the statement seems rather misplaced.
Your number of soldiers is outdated. 95,000 active personnel is the data from 2010... Now it is 139,500 professional personnel, and 35,000 active trained reservists. As for Germany, I'm not sure.
This is more like listening to a comedy. Each time u state that “Germany plans” or “Germany is scheduled”, im forced to laugh. Germany never Has a problem saying anything its when it actually comes to Action she seems to stumble over her own feet. Sad statement to be forced to admit
The analysis does not really underestimate the strength of the Polish Army. A few examples. A few years ago we already bought 110 JASSM/JASSM-ER. There are no plans to withdraw the WR-40 Langusta, which complement the Homar-A/K. The plans provide for the expansion of the Army to 300,000 (although this is not very realistic). The Gladius program was not included. The number of Krabs was probably underestimated. The Poprad system has a range of 6.5 km, not 5 km as stated. The Plilica will theoretically be able to use CAMM-ER missiles with a range of 45 km (here, however, the problem is the battery radar). The IBCS system, which significantly increases the effectiveness of the air defense system, has not been included here, which increases its advantage over its German counterpart. The TOPAZ system, the world's best automated artillery command and fire control system, has not been included. This was confirmed by NATO maneuvers. TOPAZ additionally increases the advantage of the Polish Artillery over its German counterpart. JASSM-ER has a much greater range than Taurus. Therefore, Polish aircraft will be able to attack any target in Germany from a safe distance. German aircraft will not be able to do this without approaching the border. Therefore, Poland would destroy the most important power plants and factories in Germany in the first days of the war. Therefore, in the first 2 years of the war, Germany would have no chance of overtaking Poland in terms of weapons production. A huge advantage in artillery, especially rocket artillery, would allow for isolating the battlefield and eliminating German troops in the border area. The air forces of both sides would have to stay away from the front due to air defense, as is currently the case in Ukraine. Therefore, the Polish advantage in firepower would be determined by Poland's advantage in long-range JASSM and ATACMS missiles. In addition, closer support in the form of barrel and rocket artillery with a range of 40-90 km, many times more powerful than what the Germans could field. With such support, significantly more numerous armored forces would be able to break through the German defense line. The conclusion is obvious. Poland would have a much better chance of winning this conflict than Germany. Contrary to what the author of this video deduced.
What about guided artillery munitions? They are one of the weak points of the Russian army currently, with Excalibur and Krasnopol-D barely ever used. - Adûnâi
@angamaitesangahyando685 Excalibur, like other GPS-guided weapons, turned out to be ineffective because the Russians learned how to effectively jam them. Excalibur is extremely sensitive to this because it has a relatively weak warhead, so even a miss of 10-20 meters completely destroys the point of using it. The Russian Krasnopol is a different story. It is laser-guided, so jamming satellite navigation does not bother it. From the available information, it appears that the Russians have greatly increased their production and intensity of use on the front. This is one of many advantages that Russia has over Ukraine in the current conflict. This is common knowledge. For example - On 14 November 2023, the UK MoD reported that Russia has increased its production of 152mm Krasnopol shells.
@romanromanowski4470 Granted, it's moving the goalposts on my part, but the Ukrainians have an overwhelming advantage in fpv drones, like mutlple times the production, and the Russian drones are sabotaged by MoD by not having diversified frequencies. Again, Strateg Divannogo Legiona's thesis is unsurpassed. - Adûnâi
Выиграет тот у кого есть армия по призыву или большая контрактная армия, ни у Германии, ни у Польши ее нет. Так что в войне этих двух выиграет кто-то другой :)
@@andrewkachan4209 Polaka ma zdecydowanie większą niż Niemcy, więc by wygrała. Ponadto decydująca byłaby ogromna przewaga Polski w Artylerii. Wojna na Ukrainie potwierdza wciąż decydującą rolę artylerii na współczesnym lądowym polu walki.
This video is very tasteless in my opinion. Our polish neighbours are doing a great job military and economical wise. From sworn enemies to friends essentially and I don´t say that because they could easily wipe the floor with our piss poor underfunded military in Germany but also because they are in general nice people and our greatest achievement together is peace.
Tasteless? 😂 It's just a "what-if" by the numbers comparison of forces with no footing in the real world. I'm not sure that the Polish forces, however well-funded and motivated they may be, would "wipe the floor" with our soldiers. That does their training, efforts and equipment injustice. Regardless of finding your assessment of the current state of the German military off the mark (and yes, they could do with better funding and more political support), I do agree with your and the Polish colleague's statement that we are strong allies, and "The enemy is in the East".
Lmfao yeah and that time is every 100 years. Some “country”. Poland has instigated an unbelievable amount of wars and has gained only by sucking off the powers that be.
Dont wanna hate u bro, but ur facts and numbers even for the current situations dont add up, beginning with Poles having many k9s already and getting some basically every month, air defence about to be the strongest in Europe so germany having few more f35s wouldnt matter, skipping sea part is a total mistake since both countries base on sea transport of goods, gas etc (even tho germany has way bigger navy). And maaaany maaaany more. Worth to add germany has smaller army already, dunno where did u get these sizes from, just like the fact that polish artillery is mostly old, most of old stuff went to ukraine and has been replaced with k9s, krabs, himars and chunmoo beginning to flow
I think this channel consistently overplays air power. Given the Poles’ advantage in AWACS and SAMs, German air power would be essentially a non-factor. Both sides would be restricted to largely defensive postures in the air. The ground war is where it’s at, in this case.
Poland has more air power too... The vast majority of German Typhoons are inoperable, and the few that are only have enough missiles to fly a handful of missions. It's the same with their tanks and submarines. The German military is the joke of NATO.
@@NotUnymous If you're going to tell me I'm clueless, at least do it with proper spelling. To put it in another context, Russia has struggled to leverage its superior air power against Ukraine due to air defenses. It took them about two years to figure out a system that works (and the solution was glide bombs, which weren't even mentioned in this video). If Russia is struggling to turn superior numbers into meaningful air dominance, I don't have any reason to believe that Germany would have an easier time with it.
I don’t think so. Airpower has won wars. Israel has demonstrated what air superiority can do. The first gulf war also. Assad was able to hold of the rebels with his ramshackle air force. NATO defeated Serbia primarily on air power. Russia is suffering in Ukraine because they don’t have air superiority. Many examples of this.
@@gj1234567899999 Except Ukraine vs Russia, those are all examples with massive force disparity. Germany and Poland are near-peer adversaries. Polish air defense crews are better trained, more organized, and have higher morale than Saddam Hussein’s army. Nor is the Luftwaffe as experienced as the USAAF. Air power CAN be decisive, but only if one side has enough of an advantage to exploit it.
Love these comparison and hypothetical scenario’s! Would love to see more of these again. Maybe also try scenario’s with multiple countries involved, for example Turkey, N. Cyprus Azerbaijan, Qatar & Libya vs Greece, Israel, Egypt & Cyprus.
Very bad data about the Polish army. At the end of 2024, the number of active personnel in the Polish army was 215,000. It is NATO's third army, just behind the US and Turkey. In 2024, Poland had 200,000 reservists. Today, military spending is the highest in NATO - 4.8% of GDP. The equipment was also presented in the wrong data. Germany would be crushed against Poland today.
There is no way even today Poland crushes Germany. Though Germany does not have as impressive of a stockpile right now their number and especially air power would suffice for the german industry to kick into war mode, vastly outperforming the polish industries in terms of both quantity and quality. Germany would, if it decides to crush Poland.
I feel like not acknowledging casualty tolerance makes this basically pointless. The ethnically German Germans would probably feel some discomfort with this conflict, and the Polish serious motivation to not capitulate. I can't see any German politician convincing the Germans that 100,000 sacrifices against Russia would be worthwhile. I can't think of a Pole who would not riot were a politician to suggest German occupation of Poland.
These scenarios are restricted. They always have been. As you can see in Ukraine, there is always outside help. While in a scenario like this, Russia would have won by grinding themselves away at the Ukrainians. In real life they cannot even mobilize their population to do that.
@@yu6387t3d I'm aware, but even for fun hypotheticals casualty tolerance is an extremely important factor in military calculation because it determines the doctrine of the respective forces. Doctrine is kind of important when deciding who is going to win a battle. French military doctrine atm actually hard counters German for example, so I would not expect equal forces to come off equally damaged in an engagement. Part of who gains control of the air is determined by who is willing to suffer pilot casualties to air defenses for example. In both Gulf wars the US pilots were much more willing to take risks than the British pilots therefore had a much greater per-capita effect despite being equally skilled and flying roughly comparable aircraft.
Half of the German troops would desert before the first fighting. Most German soldiers choose this profession because they just want to spend the whole day drinking beer and earning easy money and always assumed that they would not have to fight. And a large part of the stocks are unusable, despite an annual budget of 50 billion and an additional special budget of 100 billion.
German victory? They can't even win against a few migrants, lmao. Polish people, in general, are stronger and have a strong love for their own country. Their patriotism is on another level. They would die for their country while Germans doesn't even care about there own nation if you look closely. Just look at Poland's history etc
@@lukaswesthoff1030 "never" is one of those words I've leaned "never" to use - 20 years ago people would have laughed at the idea that Europe could look the way it does right now.
@@lukaswesthoff1030Some young people do not relate your opinion. But in other hand, germany is not screw up like uk or france, but also if its not worst, its not mean that its good.
Who should establish a capliphate, bot? Far-right nationalism is ramping, not religion as ideology. Germany has no young people, demographic change shows it. We have the significant drawback of old people, but they also have some experiences we can make use of.
You guys really dont have any div that is ready to go to combat in less than 24h? We have like 1 and half + airborne troops wich are essentialy first responders when war starts
Well Polish army in 2024 is around 200k troops with around 40k teritorial army, i don't know where do you get 5500 teritorial army and 62k polish army it's way too low
He only counts combat/frontline troops for both sides, not support troops. Unless Poland wants to send their field kitchen staff or field hospital staff into the trenches on day one they are not available for immediate combat. A modern army is at most 1/3 actual combat troops, so 62k combat troops out of 200k total army manpower is pretty realistic. Don't know how you missed it, otherwise the German army would be ridiculously small as well :D
Everything seems to be correct, but there is no information about the cross-section of society. Poland has more or less a national ethnic cross-section with 68% obliging themselves to defend themselves, Germany has a diverse national model, including 10 million Muslims and most of them have young people aged 18-30. . According to statistics, only 23% want to defend the country. In addition, there are huge errors in the quantities of anti-aircraft equipment. You mention batteries, not the quantities of fire assets, and we have different conversion rates than Western systems. We already have over a thousand Piorun launchers alone (we probably know how the Russian air force in Ukraine is falling due to this system). Besides, I don't know where the low numbers of reservists in Poland come from, I'm one myself and I'm 38 years old, I'm called for training once a year, and compulsory conscription was still a thing before the dawn. in tens of thousands per year.
There are two things that might change the outcome: the internal migrant issue that Germany is facing (but this can also act as a possible advantage if you convince a large military aged group of man to join your cause -- to be detailed down below) and who is US going to support more... Even if US is officially neutral, just like in WW2 is going to support more one of the belligerents if US decides to support Poland (which is more probable at this moment) than it is quite possible that Germany might find itself without the ability to maintain or even get more US-based weapons and ammo (especially missiles) while Poland might be beneficiary of the entire US military industrial complex. One final issue for Germany might be its aging population. While Poland suffers from aging issues, also, it population pyramid is concentrated around 30 - 49 age segment while Germany has most of its population split between two groups: 30 - 49 (where is somewhat on par with Poland) and 55 to 65 which contain considerably more people than the 30 -49 group and for all intents cannot be used as troops in a war. An interesting observation is about what is going on in the 15 - 30 years segment. Poland has about 4 million man in this segment while Germany has about 6.5 million man in this segment, however while most Polish in this group are natives and most-likely can be called to arms, Germany has a lot of migrants from all over Europe and outside of it in this age-group which might imply that is, likely, that a good part of this group might not answer a call to arms...
Germany has long lost its patriotism and too many Germans are looking for their identity in anything else that isn't German. But there's hope to bring it back lol It's just questionable if it's gonna be done by 2029
We're currently redesigning our forces to work better in tandem with the polish forces. So, while such comparisons are quite interesting, the likelihood of that war happening is 0%
A war between them is not the issue. The issue is how pathetic the German military is, relative to their size, wealth, and advanced economy. Add in the weak German will to fight, and even their inability to live up to their promises of military expansion circa 2022 and you understand why Europe would struggle to confront Russia without the USA. Conversely, much poorer Poland is likely to grow in importance for NATO.
@lazybear236 Russia and Germany had great economic relationship, despite the US puppets in the German government. Bavarian chamber of commerce was pushing hard for decades to drop the sanctions against Russia.
All polish FA-50 should have AESA radar (Raytheon PhantomStrike) and ability to carry and use AIM-120 AMRAAM by 2029. Other thing is their nominal engine power, thrust, size and payload they can carry (a lot smaller jets). So i would rather call them light multirole, more similar to Grippen, than light attack (in 2029, as i have said).
I'm glad you've started doing future projected videos. Maybe do a scenario with Australia attempting to take French Caledonia in 2035. The French get a tip off to station a load of troops there first. Could be interesting to see if the New Australian navy could bat on with the French Navy (Australia should have more VLS than the French by 2040) and the Army is buying a large naval fleet of Amphibious boats, to add onto Australia's Navy's Amphibious force which is already heavier than the French's. Will the French Carrier give them air superiority or can the Australian Air Force's tanker fleet get Australia's F-35's there from the mainland?
And this is exactly the kind of western NATO mindset that differentiates both of our nations from the likes of russia. We are much more willing to note our deficiencies and hence try to fix them.
@@redmax9346 capable of wasting resources just like in ww2? or capable in being replaced in biggest cities by middle easterners? everyone can have a powerful army if they spend 20% of gdp like the third reich you glaze XD
@@redmax9346 A Polish victory would literally be preferable if the German people want to continue existing. With Poles, it's a 30/70 chance they'd genocide us, with Arabs, it's 100%
@Binkov A few corrections to this material. Deliveries of the second batch of Patriot batteries are to be completed in 2029. So in 2029 Poland should have a total of 8 Patriot batteries. By 2029 Poland should have one high-resolution surveillance satellite and four surveillance mini-satellites with lower parameters. The relevant agreements have already been signed in 2022 and 2024. It is still not certain whether the FA-50 light fighters will not be armed with the AIM-120. Negotiations with Korea Aerospace Industries, Raytheon, Lockheed - Martin, the Polish and U.S governments are still ongoing.
Perhaps you could do a video on why the European powers were able to mobilize hundreds of thousands of troops within a month of the outbreak of war in 1914, and now it is a few tens of thousands within several months. I understand the technological requirements for mobilization were lower 100 years ago, but the technological capabilities are higher today. Why couldn't Germany and Poland mobilize one million troops each within a month if war broke out in 2029?
Countries in 1914 had massive stockpiles of weapons on top of consistently large weapon purchases for decades and thus a very large armaments industry. They also had large standing armies and decades of military buildups and uninterrupted institutional warfighting experience going back hundreds of years. Modern armies simply do not have a million guns on hand. They do not have millions of uniforms or food for a million men. Not only this but they also lack the manufacturing capability to produce any of this in a timely manner. It will be decades before the peace dividend cuts are replaced. Most countries in Europe are entirely dependent on the US for supplying any of this in case of war.
One thing. FA-50PL are getting AESA radars before F-16 giving them Aim-120 capabilities. In fact some polish military commentators are jokingly calling them AMRAM carriers and "loyal wingmen we have at home"
Idea for a video. A review of your should Russia invade Ukraine or not video. Breakdown what you got right and wrong and a prediction of what happens in 2025.
He'll probably wait for it to end, so possibly this year. Honestly, it's really interesting to see it today. with the war going completely differently to what everyone believed
EEE...by 2029 all polish F50's will be equipped with the AN APG83 SABR Radar. It's the same radar fitted in the F16V. So your statement that the polish F50's will have a short range radar is clearly false.
On a much more realistic side: make a prediction as under: 2029 Poland+Germany combined against 2029 Ruzzia combined with.... hehe probably nobody. (Maybe Mali or Burkina Faso)
Something that should be modeled is the numbers of "Foreign Agents"in each country - particularly for Germany. Of the military aged males in Germany, how many will either not fight for Germany or will be active saboteurs? Specifically - How many of the recently arrived "Doctors and Engineers" will join the German Army?
More ethnic German Greens would be a threat to the German war effort. They see the greenhouse gas emitted by German tanks as a greater threat than the Russian armed forces.
According to the manufacturer the AESA radar of FA-50PL despite the small size is to have a range comparable to the new F-16 radar due to the use of the latest technology. 2) Integration with AMRAAM is planned.
One i tak nie beda od wywalczania przewagi powietrznej, jeszcze tym bardziej majac naprzciwko siebie typhoona. To beda samoloty szkolno-bojowe i pewnie do misji typu air policing. Chuj go wie po co je oni w ogole kupowali tak naprawde
@@grzegorzkudirka6458I guess since they aren’t meant to fight an air war. That would be task of EF and F22 anyway. And they are there to complement multirole aircraft like the f16 and f35 with an additional training and ground attacking component.
If Germany and Poland go to war, the Bundestag will still be trying to pass funding when the Poles reach Berlin 😂😂😂 Germany is like a Porsche that is all held up by VW parts and bondo.
@@Iamabot4708 still Jihadists in German ranks would not be a good addition. Also there are over million Poles in Germany this should be considered as well
Germany has hollowed out their military, so I don't see this as realistic (even leaving aside the realism of two NATO countries going to war against each other). I've seen pretty limited signs that Germany is going to be able to turn that around either, at least not in this time frame. I think you are looking at numbers and simply saying the bigger number is going to win...kind of the same way people thought Russia's special 3-day military operation against Ukraine would have Russia winning in a few days or weeks at most, instead of a stalemate going into a multi-year conflict.
I mean the Video Said: Look, Germany would Not BE able to invade Polen and only win in a Long Term war with its Industry at war time production. He never Said how Long IT would Take for Germany to win. Fact is that Polen also would Not BE able to get anywhere Close to Berlin. So the war would be a Stalemate until Germanys Money and manpower would win at the end. This is Not a Bad conclusion and is Something that we are seeing in the Ukraine war. Ukraine would be already beaten without Military aid.
Ich bin da anderer Meinung. Wenn man sich mal den Krieg in der Ukraine betrachtet, dann hat man ja schon mehr Ähnlichkeiten in diesem Krieg zum Ersten Weltkrieg. Also gut befestigte Stellungen, die lange Zeit lang gehalten werden. Anstelle der Artillerie in großer Stückzahl kommt nun eben die kleine und billige Drohne zum Einsatz. Sie kostet in etwa so viel, wie eine Artilleriegranate - nur das sie wohl weitaus tödlicher ist. Was lernen wir daraus? Es braucht viel weniger Soldaten, die in einem Panzer sitzen, es braucht weniger Soldaten, die mit einem Gewehr einen Sturmangriff durchführen - man braucht Menschen in den Fabriken, die zehntausende Drohnen an einem Tag produzieren, man braucht KI, welche die Drohnen effektiv steuert und man kann auch jeden jungen Mann mit einem Game-Pad an einen Bildschirm setzten, der vom Wohnzimmer aus, diesen Krieg führt. Natürlich braucht es auch ein par Mann, die diese Drohnen von einer LKW-Ladefläche in einem recht sicheren Raum tragen und einsatzbereit machen - man muss die elektronische Kriegsführung beherrschen und den Raum sichern und vorbereiten. Aber wenn die Drohnen erst mal gestartet sind, kann man über mindestens 20 Kilometer im Feindesland "toben" und jegliche Feindbewegung fast unmöglich machen. Wir wissen ja aus der Geschichte, das man sich immer auf den Krieg vorbereitet, in dem man den letzten Krieg studiert und dann kommt so eine technische Neuerung und dann steht man wieder am Anfang seiner Planung. 🤣😂🤣 Aber ich bin mir sehr sicher, das zukünftige Kriege mit deutliche weniger Soldaten aus Fleisch und Blut geführt werden - was nicht bedeuten muss, das Kriege weniger Blut fordern - nur eben, das der Einsatz von Technik immer überlegener wird und dann stellt sich eben die Frage, wie schnell ein Staat in der Lage sein wird, die Logistikkette zu bereiten, um die Kriegswerkzeuge aus Rohstoffen in Fabriken herzustellen und diese an die Teile der Front zu transportieren und einsatzfähig zu machen. Bracht es dazu sehr viele Soldaten, die man über Jahre ausbilden muss oder braucht es dazu weniger Soldaten, die einigermaßen sicher die Bunker und Stellungssysteme an der Front überwachen können und die Angriffe eben aus dem Hinterland kommen. Das wird wohl die Frage der kommenden Kriege sein, die wir sicherlich beantwortet bekommen werden - schlicht, weil sie stattfinden werden. Viele Grüße
@@ert8968 The fact is that Berlin would burn. It is within the range of barrel artillery, not to mention rocket artillery. Projects for 155mm projectiles with a range of 80 km are already being implemented. Not to mention drones (see the Polish GLADIUS program, drones with a range of at least 200 km). At a distance of 300 km, Polish rocket artillery would burn infrastructure and everything alive. So why do you think that Poland would not approach Berlin?
@@teriampuls9356 1 Kleine Drohnen werden nicht im Umfeld der elektronischen Kriegsführung eingesetzt. 2 Artillerie während des Ersten Weltkriegs und des Krieges in der Ukraine ist der Gott des Krieges. 3 Brauchen Sie viel weniger Soldaten? Sagen Sie das den Russen, deren dauerhafte und irreversible Verluste 800.000 überschritten haben, oder den Ukrainern, die Schwierigkeiten haben, ihre Verluste zu ersetzen.
Since you cant know how many non natives would actually fight for the country theyre staying in, I suggest you wait until some actual data on that topic gets published instead of blindly making assumptions.
I would say rather good job with preparing all informations and doing calculations but variant of war You choose is kinda... Strange to say it at least. I would have suggestion for You to maybe try a bit different format and to turn it into two separated options (or even two videos if needed as I expect it may take even more time and work to prepare). Long story short: Lets leave calculations as they are for both sides and skip question as to "why?" since it is clearly theoretical scenarios. But instead of war where both sides just kinda aimlessly shoots into each other lets see those two instead: 1) Germany attacks first. What are chances, biggest obstacles and possible goals (solid part was already told here. Prolonged war to slowly grind down enemy and win thru better and bigger economy and resource pool). 2) Poland attacks first. And same here. There are clear disproportions in some categories that could be used in this gamble, to achieve... What exactly? In this case the best bet would be probably switch mass attack with heavy support of tanks, arty and rockets to get important points in range of things like JASSM and other long range strike. Or maybe there could be other potential things? The best if both comes with probable cost of such campaign and then final answer that I can already expect: Would it be worth all the loses? This of course not change how improbable such cases are, but would be much more clear as to why exactly, and much more interesting since You will be able to tap bit more into how different types of weapons and vehicles could be utilized, instead of: Yeah, this is a new tank, and this one is just older and not so capable...
You have really outdated data about polish army size. Our army is much stronger than German, but i think that Germans would still win a full - scale war. They are the strongest economy in EU. They are able to produce more equipment, buy more ammo, hire mercenaries... So either we would win fast or the war would last very long and then the Germans would win.
I, as a German, think Poland could win because we would loose on the homefront (Germany is not as stable as people think) But I hope there will never be a war again between Poland and Germany or in Central Europe in general
As a German, i think it would really be a matter of preparedness: If war broke out right now, this second, I think genuinly Poland would stomp us. You are just much more combat ready. Unsurprising, really, considering your land border with Mordor. If both sides had years to prepare in advance, I think we would win because our industry is much larger and we have more people to draw from. But all that aside, im glad we are not fighting. As much as we argue, im glad to call you Poles fellow Europeans, which cant be said about some of your neighbours...
Very good analysis. Only one major difference, Poland has a strong will of fighting population. Many nationalist. Germany is consisting of many immigrants not willing to fight for Germany.
Germany consisted of green leftists and woke liberal socialist. Neither will fight or has any balls. They are only concerned with pensions and more immigration
As you mentioned Poland will buy/will have bought a lot of stuff, on the other hand Germany will rise up its annual defense spending (for now I guess up to 2,5% in 2029) with a great focus on improving its domestic defense sector. Improving the Production lines at BAE-Systems, Ratheon, Diehl, Rheinmetall, KMW(Nexter),... at that time they will run on full capacity producing stockpiles for our allies. Not Mentioning that Poland have and will have only a small part, compared to German logistic fleet. (discussed in the last days on Task&Purpose discord server).
You got Germanys Reserve totally wrong. Their is an "active" and passive" part of reserve and you only counted the active. The passive is about 900k and has all former soldiers included that can go 2x military training in a year if they want. The active part can train more often and works like a regular unit and is comparable to a national guard.
You can try invideo AI for free at invideo.io/i/Binkov to save hundreds on editing, animating and other production costs.
you should do a vid where estonia goes to war with latvia
MSBS Grot is already a service rifle of Polish Army.
Please do updates to Russia vs China, China vs Taiwan, and Then do a what if: “could Trump take Canada”
just stop...
@@JasperOFlanigan-fb5lv Canada is in the NATO and Commonwealth. It would be worst then war with China.
Finally these types of videos are back
@TeoDP7 frrrr
I serve as German Soldier in the 23rd Gebirgsjägerbrigade (231st Gebirgsjägerbattalion) since 2005 when i turned 18 and back then we Germans had to go to "Musterung" as 18 year old Male. I did 2 Tours in Afghanistan and 1 Tour in Kosovo via KFOR. I also went many Times to Poland to help train Polish Soldiers in "Harsh Terrain and Weather Conditions"
I never met one Polish Soldier both in Afghanistan in Combat nor when i trained Polish Soldiers who was saying anything bad about Germany, Comments like this you only see from Polish Keyboard Warriors, just like you see anti-Polish Comments only from German Keyboard Warriors. This Comment Section sadly shows this but luckily Imbeciles like those People are a Minority and i know if a War breaks out throughout Europe, every Polish Soldier will defend a German Life just like we Germans will defend a Polish Life
As with all Videos online about Poland and Germany, the Comment Section is full of People from both Countries claiming they're entirely superior because of the Hatred towards eachother they picked up from the Propagandists in their Country, i hope most People reading these realise that and know better instead of taking it as Fact
Ever proper Polish Patriot i did Military Excercise with also told me to ignore all the "Poles online who talk Crap about Germany as none of them actually ever met any German nor served in the Military."
Prost & Cheers from Berchtesgaden in the Bavarian Alps
"I know if a War breaks out throughout Europe, every Polish Soldier will defend a German Life just like we Germans will defend a Polish Life."
To be honest, I have no sympathy for you Germans for historical reasons, because of what happened to my ancestors at your hands. I also do not like the policy of your authorities towards my country, although I understand it. Everyone looks after their own interests. However, if what you wrote in the fragment I quoted was written sincerely, I support it with all my heart.
Grüße aus Polen, aus Bydgoszcz ( aus Bromberg :) ). Einen schönen Tag noch.
@@pawewazik455
Don't judge Germans born after WW2 for what happened, that's what all Polish Soldiers told me which makes Sense.
Though i obviously can't judge you on your personal Feelings towards my Country, but if you judge Germans who never did anything against Poland because they were not even alive back then, you look unreasonable
That said, i'm not Polish, so i don't want to pretend i know your Situation just like i expect Polish People to not act like they know how German People deal with their Past nor judge them.
So we are on the same Page, luckily!
Hope to visit Bydgoszcz (Bromberg) and other Polish Cities with and without German History someday!
Severely underrated comment my friend. Luckily Binkov's vid is entirely hypothetical and poor Belgians such as myself can rest easy knowing that there are 3000 km and a whole lot of German AND Polish manpower and steel between Brussels and Vlad's meat grinder slave army. Cheers to all of you!
@@chartreux1532 I am not judging You, people born after World War II, that would be senseless, even stupid. I am judging You as a Nation. It is not You personally who are guilty of what Your ancestors did, but it is You, the Germans, who did it.
So as a soldier do you think that a conflict Poland-Germany is possible?
Fortunatly no German or Pole could imagine another war. Same here in Belgium, I love both nations equally! Europe together is stronk!
Few years ago I would agree, but how about Afd?
@AVGVSTVSXENOPHONE AFD is one of those parties that is a thorn in the side of a united Europe, sure. But they could never convince Germans to have a war IN Europe again. That would be insanity.
@@AVGVSTVSXÈNOPHON Says the Pole that voted for PiS(S)?!?
@@HealTheWorldasapaverage racist german
Nobody wins wars, war doesn't make anyone great. Greetings from Poland 🇵🇱
Alexander the Great?
😭(the mma fighter ofc)
Well said, love our polish neighbours.
Greetings from Germany 🇩🇪
@@Mude-wv9bj Thank you we are strong ( Poland and Germany) 💪💪💪👍❤️
That isn’t true. The large countries today are ones that won wars of conquest and successfully defended their lands.
Back to the hypothetical war videos, miss these.
As a german I can only say that I wholehearted welcome our new polish overlords.
Hehe
😂
At this point in time I feel like the Poles are doing a better job at behaving German than the Germans do. So I don't mind Poland winning.
According to a Gallup International survey conducted in late 2023, the willingness to fight for one's country varies significantly between Poland and Germany. In Poland, approximately 60% of respondents expressed readiness to defend their nation if a war arose. In contrast, only about 43% of Germans indicated a willingness to do the same.
43% from 80 milion people is more than 60% from 30 milion pepole, basic maths😂
That's correct, but it's still a 36 mln vs 22 mln willing to fight.
@@amogususus12 youre lowering Polish population and raising Germans. 38milion of the poles, about 60milion of native germans. Althought i doubt these numbers as Polish patriotism is on another level, pretty sure 8 out of 10 poles will fight for its country if real war breaks out.
W każdych bitwach przewaga wroga sięgała nawet 15 czy 40:1 i więcej. Jeden polak wart 100 zachodnich ,, kolegów " uczyć się historii!
@krzysztofprzysta3786 dlatego p*lacy przegrali w 26 dni jak cioty xd
How about a hypothetical 2030 Polish/Baltic States vs Russia match-up (assuming Ukraine WAr ends by 2026, taking in into account what we now know of the quality of Russian armed forces?
it would be a very hard video to make, are we assuming the definitive end of the the ukraine war and a russian army rebuilt and learned from the war lessons ? and poland plus baltic states vs russia with the rules stated in this video ? if yes for both then it is hard not to see a russian victory.
As a Pole i will say... Well i think polish army is like a big Wall that will defend strong and waiting for our friends and allies like Germany ond other countries to help push back enemies(Russia, Belarus).
Every country in nato have a special role. Thats why we are Allies to help each other in time of need. Like Great Britain have navy and Germany have big industry and Poland have many artillery and ground army.
what german industry?😂😂
@@abdusalamolamide The Industry the gives germany the 4th place among the richest countries.
@@Ja_ich259Bo był oparty na tanim rosyjskim gazie i w znacznym stopniu na taniej, aczkolwiek fachowej sile roboczej z Europy Środkowo-wschodniej,a jedno i drugie to już przeszłość...w przyszłości natomiast nad Niemcami wisi widmo amerykańskich ceł...USA to w roku 2024 największy partner gospodarczy Niemiec,bilans handlowy między tymi krajami jest zdecydowanie na korzyść Niemiec,więc będzie bolało...
@@BógHonorOjczyzna-j4x Sad that you can't write in English. Not USA is the most trade-partner of Germany, EU is, then comes China, then USA. Germany is on the 3th place among the richest countries, overrun Japan lately.
You are right, that Germany uses a lot of workers from east-EU, but also a lot of (former) Immigrants, like it was all the time, for example the half of the miners before WW1 was Polnish in Ruhr area. It was all the time, that workers seek their future in big Industry-countries. Maybe that's why Poland will get into trouble in future, because thier population over-ages, too few children and too restrictive, too afraid of immigrants.
I hope you are not a PIS-follower, brainless nationalist and belive their and Fox propaganda: Things in Germany are not as dangerous as some of the right-wing medias want it to be.
@@obamacare_grucha Sad for whom... others don't have a problem with it, maybe you, as a German, have a problem with writing in German... and you have outdated data, the USA overtook China in this respect in 2024... and it's none of your business who I am supporter...It's funny, because many Germans hoped that PiS would overturn the current European table, i.e. Europe's return to normality... of course, the return of the right wing to power in Poland is a matter of time, in a rather shorter time perspective...
As fun as these videos are i want to just say: i'm glad we could overcome somewhat the dark history of the 20th century (always remembered!) and working on becoming great partners and friends in the 21th century.
Poland is a great nation with rich culture and great people and i'm happy you stand alongside us germans and the other european countrys. Glad to have you!
And we are strong ( Poland and Germany) 💪💪💪❤️👍
Be careful Russia, we will be prepared...
amen to that
You mentioned only 20th century but thats not true. At least 600 years of war was because of german greeds of land.
@@Matt-sx2pg While you not wrong about greed, powerstruggles, atrocitys, et cetera done at that time frame I specifically mentioned only the 20th and 21th in my comment because its the relevant timeframe for the expression i wanted to make towards the polish reader.
The 'germans' or better the people who lived in the todays area of modern Germany developed a modern sense of nationality around the early 19th century.
At this time even 'holy roman empire' didn't exist any more an the area was splittered into many kingdomes and duchys - no nation states (in modern sense) but ruled by nobel families.
Even with the unification in 1872 (now you could speak of a german national state) the 'German Empire' was lead predominantly by noble houses. After WWI the 'Weimar Republic' was the first constitutional Republic.
The point i want to make is merely the following:
Prior to the Weimarer Republik the actions were only power struggles between noble houses after that the term germans does fully apply and we have to take full responsibility for what happened after.
(I'm fully aware this is really a short comment on the topic and the youtube comment section isn't the right place for such an conversation. But i didn't want to leave the previous comment uncommented)
It's almost like Poland is building a massive land army with plenty of tanks, artillery and other stuff that can't be transferred from abroad easily while relying on it's many allies to provide air support, ammo and fuel supplies, satellite recon etc.
Generally true, but Poland will have a lot of domestic made optic and SAR satellites, it's currently in progress.
@@liquidrock8388 yeah, although it needs to br emphasized - no nato army save maybe France (to an extent) is truly self reliant. By design, they are all built to support and be supported by the USA.
Maybe that changes in the future maybe not. Would not exactly be great for the Americans to no longer have Europeans dependent on them
@@liquidrock8388 Poland have very poor logistics based on fleet 1980's trucks and also now mess with 3 types of MBT's. The difference is when Poles may laugh at state of "in-repair" vehicles of Bundeswehr, the German "faults" may be just non-fuctional lights in military equipment due their regoristic checks. Compared to that, in Polish army, is popular cannibalism of vehicles and barely working military equipment used till it itself get cannibalised for parts to other vehicles.
@liquidrock8388 Poland does have a decent number of their own technology - IFV and AFV Borsuk, Rosomak, Bóbr, Self propelled artillery 155mm Krab, as well as some rocket launchers Piorun, Grad, anti tank grenades Komar, and machine guns Grot. However it does lack heavy weaponry such as tanks, fighter aircraft, helicopters... it has to get those from outside and that doesn't help with developing their own technology.
@@pawe6473 6 different types of mbt. But no its not a problem, because they belong to different brigades, despite it being a popular thing to say
Polish Patriot battery is nearly twice the size of German one. At least if my math is correct. AFAIK German battery consists of 2 fire units, while Polish battery has 8 launchers in each. For comparison, US battery has 6 launchers in it.
German Patriots proved more effective in Ukraine because of their maneuverability that allows offensive usage/shoot and scoot.
@Vor10min. ?? POLISH are mobile too, so what's your point? The only difference is that Polish ones still aren't fully combat ready. First battery only completed Initial Combat Readiness or something like that I don't remember correct name
@Vor10min. So far Poland has recieved 2 Patriot batteries (16 launchers all altogether ). The next 6 batteries (48 launchers) will be in a different set up and will be put on trucks, just like the German ones.
@@tusidex5228 current one are also on trucks
@@ukasztokarski3715 Nie. Tak są "ciągnione" przez Jelcze ale strzelają już z dala od nich. W fazie II Wisły będą one strzelały tak jak niemieckie, czyli w tym przypadku z Jelczy (w sensie ciężarówka nie będzie ich odstawiała, tak jak jest teraz).
Poland has prepared for a war since 1990, even more so since 2014. Germany has not. The Bundeswehr would run out of artillery ammunition in a week if not sooner. They lack spare parts, modern radios, you name it. Logistcs is for peacekeeping and peacetime only. Staff officers have not prepared for a total war. Maximum battalion size operations are properly trained for. After two weeks German forces would have lost their mobility, offensive capability and artillery while Poland would be gearing up to full steam.
Incorrect most ammunition in europe is produced by a huge margin in germany!
Since 1990 and 2014? Pfft, are you shitting me man?
@@HedgehogZone Incorrect, German ammunition production is almost dead - majority of shells is produced in Czechia/Slovakia and in Norway
It would be a devestating war for little gain. Let's just be friends?
We're already friends
Poland bought few satellites already and will buy more. In 2023 we bought 2 French satellites, in 2024 we bought 4 Polish ones and we plan to buy at least 3 more in 2025/26. French ones were optical, and future Polish ones will be SAR.
I don't know where did you get army sizes but in July 2024, Poland's defense ministry informed that current standing army surpassed 200 thousand troops mark.
That is bullshit, Poland in 2029 will have strongest land army in Europe … they can easily beat germany , even right now with 230 000 active military personel
Numbers are not everything, strategy is what counts.
What happens when they're gone? Available Manpower and factory production plays a big role in attrition. I wouldn't count Poland out though. From what I'm seeing, they are building up quite the mighty military. I think it could go either way depending on who wants it more
Do China versus Vatican City next
😂😂😂
Unfortunately Vatican has lost the ability to conduct crusades meaning it can't fight
Vatican City wins, hands down, they have the power of god on their side
@@gwramim4807 but if they re do, they will have the entire latin america backing them for a crusade
Joe Biden is Catholic so as long as the pope declared a crusade in the next few days the US would join lol
German here, I'm glad this is a hypothetical war and our two countries are firmly allied. Even more so that Poland is geared up to be a significant military powerhouse that serves as a good deterrence against Russia.
In fact, your real ally is Russia. Of course, I believe and appreciate the sympathies of individual german people . However, your policy as a state, the mentality and views of the vast majority have long been linked to Russia. Your economy without cheap raw materials from Russia is unable to cope with fair competition with other countries. That's why Nord Stream 1 & 2 was such a priority for you. Right now, your priority is to protect Russian funds frozen in Europe. You will do everything to ensure that they are not used by Ukraine. We could talk for a long time about your real policy, how you bypass sanctions to continue trading with Russia. As I mentioned earlier, I appreciate your personal sympathy, but it has nothing to do with real German politics.
@@imperatyw_kategoryczny Not really, Russia was just our cheap store for all kinds of goods we had to import. Nothing more or less.
@@doom9603 they are not talking about goods. Hydrocarbons and rare metals were really important for you. We don't know the exact impact on German economy currently but you should either get along with Russia side or pick Azerbaijan (and in extend with Türkiye) to replace those resources. France did this with Kazakhstan for uranium. Which explains that Germany has become okay with euro fighter sales to Türkiye as rejecting before, as a good start
A few corrections:
1. Poland bought Pleiades Neo satellites from France.
2. Abouth a month ago Poland bought MQ-9B SkyGuardian UAVs to replace loaned Reapers.
3. In 2029 Poland is about to have 212 Krab howitzers, not 100 (there will be some delays probably, but not so big).
I have to agree, in a long term Germany would prevail (stronger economy and militaty production nearly always win in such scenario). Of course it is purely theoretical. In reality, German ammo's production would be very helpful for Poland if it has to defend itself from Russia. Also, Poland counts on NATO's rapid air forces support, which seems to be more likely than quick support of allied land forces. Polish armed forces are expanded for one and only reason - deterrence or defence from potential Russian invasion.
I have to admit that Germany probably wouldn't have had time to switch its industry to war production. With such an advantage in artillery and tanks with strong anti-aircraft defense, the Polish army wouldn't have waited for months and would rather have stormed Germany
@@krystiantalma2811 I don't think Luftwaffe would let Polish Army move deep into German territory. Also in 2029 Polish air defence wouldn't be complete. Anyway, it doesn't matter to me at all, our armed forces are built to defend Polish soil, not to attack Germany :) Have a good night.
@@krystiantalma2811 Our Defense can see everything that our neighbors are doing, deep into their territory. What do you think 😆
Polish Territorial Defence Force is more than 35k people now
over 40k
Территориальная оборона не значит ничего в общевойсковом бою. Это так, защита от мародерства и "милиция" на самые крайние случай.
@@andrewkachan4209 Nonsense, the territorial defense in Ukraine also fights and secures the front. It can also be used as an occupation police. The territorial defense has anti-tank and anti-aircraft weapons so it is not a small threat.
@@andrewkachan4209 territorial defence is something like "a citizen army" or sth like that. It is true, that it will not be good for a highly-intensive battles with a lot of maneuvers and all kinds of combined arms. But I will use the Ukrainian example for that topic
As long as Ukrainians were defending, minimizing losses and trying to stop russia, the war was about being smart. Setting ambushes, causing russian tanks to run out of oil, stuf like that. In that sense, forces made of citizens, that have been living in the area, educated and experienced in a very big spectrum of things were amazing. Problems began when Ukraine was to counterattack, where you sometimes need to send someone to a very dangerous task, so that someone else can conduct a maneuver, etc etc. Then, proffesional soldiers understood the tasks, while citizens were reluctant.
In the summary, citizen army, territorial army etc is good enough for a fixing force, or for a cost-effective defence, ambushes etc. But to break through an enemy front you need proffesional divisions with all kind of advanced equipment and structures.
@@maksymilianszulc4872 нет, в начале войны проигрыш войск РФ это их заслуга, это традиция такая, сначала делать как попало, а потом как надо, когда кровью умоются. Территориальная оборона вооружена легких стрелковым вооружение, там даже гранатометов нет, нет группового оружия(минометы, станковые автоматические гранатометы), нет пулеметов. Даже бтр середины 70х годов станет для таких людей непреодолимым препятствием. Они не проходят тактику, слаживание. То что они выходят на полигон пострелять не значит вообще ничего, маневр важнее огня, а маневр они делать не умеют. Любой маневр в составе подразделения это сложное действие, тем более засада(которая без пулеметов и противотанковых средств возможно только на колоны с грузовиками). И самое важно, там нет офицерского состава, без грамотного управления эти люди просто "числа" в листике у министра.
Finally we’re back to these! Thank you!
I would subtract 10 million people from Germany because immigrants would definitely not fight for this country, and besides, there are 1 million Poles in Germany, so they would sabotage the economy in 1 month 😂
You shoud not be too sure for that. If your famely live in Germany and all your friends you would not want to come the war to your houses. Most people just would wait it to be over, and that would be quick
dokładnie to jest nas 2,5 miliona 😉
turków jest ok 6-7 mil, ogólnie to obcokrajowcy stanowią już jakieś 60% 😆
@@daha1214 I went to Germany it stinks of islam
@@daha1214 They don't feel loyalty towards Germany. They don't see it as their home. When first bombs fall, they will simply enter cars and ride away to safest place. They are not even slightly assimilated, don't feel loyalty towards their closest neighbors, so thinking they will pick up rifles and risk their own lives for Germany is just ridiculous and asinine.
Actually, its not even just subtraction. That is negative 10 million people, those are 10 million people that would help Germany's enemies because they are Germany's enemies. The people that take advantage of Germany are Germany's biggest haters. The average invader from the Middle East has an extreme disdain for German blood, culture, and religion. They love what German's make but hate the Germans themselves. These people would help Poland then turn around and do the same to Poland too.
Oh god I forgot about this old series, I loved it so much. The reason I started watching this channel in the beginning, I also the real world talk about recent things going on, but the hypothetical wars against countries is so good! I love the UK vs France one hehe.
As long as Russia isnt attacking Poland from the east
I doubt that they could resist the temptation
When Poland almost lost this comparison, winged hussars arrived
What kind of war? Deislamization of Germany ?
I think the German Caliphate still has great potential. However, the economic situation is getting worse every year. There is no indication that Berlin will be in a better situation in 5 years
you will be surprised.
No more wars between us ! Poland and Germany are strongest together.
Good Neighbours and peace 👍
Brawo 👍👍
That's why the EU exists and why Germany plays a big role in it
Ah yes, colony and colonial master
@pep-qew well everyone has a past. Doesn't mean we shouldn't move forward with progress. Leave the past in the past but never forget it and learn from its mistakes.
It is not fair to play the Bundeswehr against a real army. 😂 from Finland 🇫🇮.
Hahahahah much love for Suomi from Poland! You guys have awesome black metal scene
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German Air Force and Polish Army would be dynamic duo though if they work together
Can you go back to doing more VS videos again? I wouldn’t mind even doing updated battles that you’ve done in the past. These are the best
The thought of modern Germans fighting a large scale war is hilarious. At least the Poles kept their balls the last 70 years.
😮😂
"Kept their balls"? Let's set the record straight. During the Cold War, East Germany had the second most formidable army in the Eastern Bloc, second only to the Soviet Union. On the other side, West Germany had one of the largest and most capable land armies in Europe. Both were heavily armed, well-trained, and highly competent.
The idea of a demilitarized Germany is relatively new and largely stems from external pressures, particularly from Poland and France, after reunification. Agreements made during this period required Germany to significantly reduce the size of its military. This, combined with a new vision of a peaceful future, initiated a rapid process of demilitarization.
In just a decade, Germany transitioned from having one of the largest and best-equipped armies to a smaller, professional force. Today’s Bundeswehr is designed primarily for peacekeeping and intervention missions-a direct result of reforms implemented in the early 2000s. However, Germany has recently started implementing significant reforms to shift back toward defensive capabilities.
While Poland’s military is indeed competent, so is Germany’s. If Germany maintains its current momentum, it’s well-positioned to reclaim its role as a military leader in Europe.
As for Poland "keeping their balls," it’s worth noting that they spent much of the last 70 years as a Soviet puppet state. In this context, the statement seems rather misplaced.
@@prussianboi6381And West Germany spent the past 70 years as a puppet of the United States…
@@prussianboi6381 Nobody cares about ther Cold War. Your government has done enough damage the last 30 years to void all of that.
@@prussianboi6381Nah dude germany is a complete failure now.
t. a fellow german.
I'm just here for the comments
Your number of soldiers is outdated. 95,000 active personnel is the data from 2010... Now it is 139,500 professional personnel, and 35,000 active trained reservists. As for Germany, I'm not sure.
This is more like listening to a comedy. Each time u state that “Germany plans” or “Germany is scheduled”, im forced to laugh. Germany never Has a problem saying anything its when it actually comes to Action she seems to stumble over her own feet. Sad statement to be forced to admit
The analysis does not really underestimate the strength of the Polish Army. A few examples. A few years ago we already bought 110 JASSM/JASSM-ER. There are no plans to withdraw the WR-40 Langusta, which complement the Homar-A/K. The plans provide for the expansion of the Army to 300,000 (although this is not very realistic). The Gladius program was not included. The number of Krabs was probably underestimated. The Poprad system has a range of 6.5 km, not 5 km as stated. The Plilica will theoretically be able to use CAMM-ER missiles with a range of 45 km (here, however, the problem is the battery radar). The IBCS system, which significantly increases the effectiveness of the air defense system, has not been included here, which increases its advantage over its German counterpart. The TOPAZ system, the world's best automated artillery command and fire control system, has not been included. This was confirmed by NATO maneuvers. TOPAZ additionally increases the advantage of the Polish Artillery over its German counterpart. JASSM-ER has a much greater range than Taurus. Therefore, Polish aircraft will be able to attack any target in Germany from a safe distance. German aircraft will not be able to do this without approaching the border. Therefore, Poland would destroy the most important power plants and factories in Germany in the first days of the war. Therefore, in the first 2 years of the war, Germany would have no chance of overtaking Poland in terms of weapons production.
A huge advantage in artillery, especially rocket artillery, would allow for isolating the battlefield and eliminating German troops in the border area. The air forces of both sides would have to stay away from the front due to air defense, as is currently the case in Ukraine. Therefore, the Polish advantage in firepower would be determined by Poland's advantage in long-range JASSM and ATACMS missiles. In addition, closer support in the form of barrel and rocket artillery with a range of 40-90 km, many times more powerful than what the Germans could field. With such support, significantly more numerous armored forces would be able to break through the German defense line.
The conclusion is obvious. Poland would have a much better chance of winning this conflict than Germany. Contrary to what the author of this video deduced.
What about guided artillery munitions? They are one of the weak points of the Russian army currently, with Excalibur and Krasnopol-D barely ever used.
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@angamaitesangahyando685 Excalibur, like other GPS-guided weapons, turned out to be ineffective because the Russians learned how to effectively jam them. Excalibur is extremely sensitive to this because it has a relatively weak warhead, so even a miss of 10-20 meters completely destroys the point of using it. The Russian Krasnopol is a different story. It is laser-guided, so jamming satellite navigation does not bother it. From the available information, it appears that the Russians have greatly increased their production and intensity of use on the front. This is one of many advantages that Russia has over Ukraine in the current conflict. This is common knowledge. For example - On 14 November 2023, the UK MoD reported that Russia has increased its production of 152mm Krasnopol shells.
@romanromanowski4470 Granted, it's moving the goalposts on my part, but the Ukrainians have an overwhelming advantage in fpv drones, like mutlple times the production, and the Russian drones are sabotaged by MoD by not having diversified frequencies. Again, Strateg Divannogo Legiona's thesis is unsurpassed.
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Выиграет тот у кого есть армия по призыву или большая контрактная армия, ни у Германии, ни у Польши ее нет. Так что в войне этих двух выиграет кто-то другой :)
@@andrewkachan4209 Polaka ma zdecydowanie większą niż Niemcy, więc by wygrała. Ponadto decydująca byłaby ogromna przewaga Polski w Artylerii. Wojna na Ukrainie potwierdza wciąż decydującą rolę artylerii na współczesnym lądowym polu walki.
Finally we get the 1v1 videos back
Poland has more combat veterans than Germany.
I would definitely support Poland!
And Germany has islam... and arab inbreeding.. GO POLAND!
How that?
@ there were far more Polish soldiers in Afghanistan than German.
This video is very tasteless in my opinion. Our polish neighbours are doing a great job military and economical wise. From sworn enemies to friends essentially and I don´t say that because they could easily wipe the floor with our piss poor underfunded military in Germany but also because they are in general nice people and our greatest achievement together is peace.
I agree from Poland. The enemy is in the east.
Wow... The Germans really did lose their balls after the war
@@mrwhips3623 What about "no more brother wars" did you not understand
How many rubels does Kremlin pay you these days?@@mrwhips3623
Tasteless? 😂 It's just a "what-if" by the numbers comparison of forces with no footing in the real world.
I'm not sure that the Polish forces, however well-funded and motivated they may be, would "wipe the floor" with our soldiers. That does their training, efforts and equipment injustice.
Regardless of finding your assessment of the current state of the German military off the mark (and yes, they could do with better funding and more political support), I do agree with your and the Polish colleague's statement that we are strong allies, and "The enemy is in the East".
In the real world, the Poles won't have to worry about a two front war.
This pleases me more than words can say.
Конечно, никогда такого не было, да? И союзники всегда придут на помощь, да? У вас там память как у золотой рыбки?
@@andrewkachan4209 I see nothing has changed for you in 80 years. Well, you do you.
Additional 96 Krabs were just bought in December
As President Reagan said, "Poland can only be conquered for a time"
Thats not true tho...
Excelent taste in waifu tho!
@@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714 I think it was said by Jozef Pilsudski in the times Poland was a real country not ruled by foreign puppets
Lmfao yeah and that time is every 100 years. Some “country”. Poland has instigated an unbelievable amount of wars and has gained only by sucking off the powers that be.
Dont wanna hate u bro, but ur facts and numbers even for the current situations dont add up, beginning with Poles having many k9s already and getting some basically every month, air defence about to be the strongest in Europe so germany having few more f35s wouldnt matter, skipping sea part is a total mistake since both countries base on sea transport of goods, gas etc (even tho germany has way bigger navy). And maaaany maaaany more. Worth to add germany has smaller army already, dunno where did u get these sizes from, just like the fact that polish artillery is mostly old, most of old stuff went to ukraine and has been replaced with k9s, krabs, himars and chunmoo beginning to flow
Very interesting Video! But most importantly Poland and Germany are strong together 🇵🇱🤝🇩🇪
Nie przyjacielu Polska zwłaszcza bez Niemiec jest silna. Niemcy osłabiają Polskę
This is theoretical concept that was never implemented maybe exept Holy Leauge that fought Ottomans but it was done with Austria.
We got inter-NATO conflict prediction's before GTA 6 ⁉️⁉️🚬
The bitter truth is, there won't be any GTA 6 in the future. Time to move on
I think this channel consistently overplays air power.
Given the Poles’ advantage in AWACS and SAMs, German air power would be essentially a non-factor. Both sides would be restricted to largely defensive postures in the air. The ground war is where it’s at, in this case.
I think you dont k wo what you're talking about. No offence.
Poland has more air power too... The vast majority of German Typhoons are inoperable, and the few that are only have enough missiles to fly a handful of missions. It's the same with their tanks and submarines.
The German military is the joke of NATO.
@@NotUnymous If you're going to tell me I'm clueless, at least do it with proper spelling.
To put it in another context, Russia has struggled to leverage its superior air power against Ukraine due to air defenses. It took them about two years to figure out a system that works (and the solution was glide bombs, which weren't even mentioned in this video). If Russia is struggling to turn superior numbers into meaningful air dominance, I don't have any reason to believe that Germany would have an easier time with it.
I don’t think so. Airpower has won wars. Israel has demonstrated what air superiority can do. The first gulf war also. Assad was able to hold of the rebels with his ramshackle air force. NATO defeated Serbia primarily on air power. Russia is suffering in Ukraine because they don’t have air superiority. Many examples of this.
@@gj1234567899999 Except Ukraine vs Russia, those are all examples with massive force disparity. Germany and Poland are near-peer adversaries. Polish air defense crews are better trained, more organized, and have higher morale than Saddam Hussein’s army. Nor is the Luftwaffe as experienced as the USAAF. Air power CAN be decisive, but only if one side has enough of an advantage to exploit it.
Love these comparison and hypothetical scenario’s! Would love to see more of these again. Maybe also try scenario’s with multiple countries involved, for example Turkey, N. Cyprus Azerbaijan, Qatar & Libya vs Greece, Israel, Egypt & Cyprus.
Very bad data about the Polish army. At the end of 2024, the number of active personnel in the Polish army was 215,000. It is NATO's third army, just behind the US and Turkey. In 2024, Poland had 200,000 reservists.
Today, military spending is the highest in NATO - 4.8% of GDP. The equipment was also presented in the wrong data. Germany would be crushed against Poland today.
There is no way even today Poland crushes Germany. Though Germany does not have as impressive of a stockpile right now their number and especially air power would suffice for the german industry to kick into war mode, vastly outperforming the polish industries in terms of both quantity and quality. Germany would, if it decides to crush Poland.
@@janopitz9151 this
Unlike Germany today, Poland actually takes investing in its military seriously.
This year, they will have 96 K2 tanks from South Korea.
@@Stinger522 it's mostly propaganda.
@@roberttwardowski9711nie😅
@@BogdanSikora-l5b mysla ze duzo mamy a gowno mamy
I feel like not acknowledging casualty tolerance makes this basically pointless. The ethnically German Germans would probably feel some discomfort with this conflict, and the Polish serious motivation to not capitulate. I can't see any German politician convincing the Germans that 100,000 sacrifices against Russia would be worthwhile. I can't think of a Pole who would not riot were a politician to suggest German occupation of Poland.
These scenarios are restricted. They always have been. As you can see in Ukraine, there is always outside help. While in a scenario like this, Russia would have won by grinding themselves away at the Ukrainians. In real life they cannot even mobilize their population to do that.
nobody is imagining poland and germany are going to war in 2029, its just a military comparison, mostly for fun.
@@yu6387t3d I'm aware, but even for fun hypotheticals casualty tolerance is an extremely important factor in military calculation because it determines the doctrine of the respective forces. Doctrine is kind of important when deciding who is going to win a battle. French military doctrine atm actually hard counters German for example, so I would not expect equal forces to come off equally damaged in an engagement.
Part of who gains control of the air is determined by who is willing to suffer pilot casualties to air defenses for example. In both Gulf wars the US pilots were much more willing to take risks than the British pilots therefore had a much greater per-capita effect despite being equally skilled and flying roughly comparable aircraft.
I just don't understand why some people take this video so seriously 🤔🇩🇪🤝🇵🇱
Half of the German troops would desert before the first fighting. Most German soldiers choose this profession because they just want to spend the whole day drinking beer and earning easy money and always assumed that they would not have to fight. And a large part of the stocks are unusable, despite an annual budget of 50 billion and an additional special budget of 100 billion.
German victory? They can't even win against a few migrants, lmao. Polish people, in general, are stronger and have a strong love for their own country. Their patriotism is on another level. They would die for their country while Germans doesn't even care about there own nation if you look closely. Just look at Poland's history etc
Patriotism doesn't win wars, logistics and industry does.
Yes but polish people are also not very smart. brains win wars, not how much love you have for your country.
@@nox5555 mózgi z importu. a najwięcej głupich ludzi jest w USA, sam nawet nie wiedza po co istnieje pojemnik na śmieci
@@SehrDummerAccountNamindeed, patriotism does win the Wars :) germans patriotism doesnt exist mate while Polish is complete different matrix.
Germany would have hordes of young men willing to fight and die.
Unfortunately - they would all be be fighting for a German Caliphate.
I am german and I can tell you, there is no caliphate here and never will be
@@lukaswesthoff1030 "never" is one of those words I've leaned "never" to use - 20 years ago people would have laughed at the idea that Europe could look the way it does right now.
@@lukaswesthoff1030Some young people do not relate your opinion. But in other hand, germany is not screw up like uk or france, but also if its not worst, its not mean that its good.
Who should establish a capliphate, bot? Far-right nationalism is ramping, not religion as ideology. Germany has no young people, demographic change shows it. We have the significant drawback of old people, but they also have some experiences we can make use of.
bot
Really liked this vid, could you also make an Poland vs Russia if a war would occur in 2025?
Germany has massive Potential, however for zhe last 30 years the country naively demilitarized, resulting in the current weakness.
Germany has 0 combat ready divisions, that’s from their own admission, 0
German "not ready" is polish "veteran". Very different standards.
You guys really dont have any div that is ready to go to combat in less than 24h? We have like 1 and half + airborne troops wich are essentialy first responders when war starts
Well Polish army in 2024 is around 200k troops with around 40k teritorial army, i don't know where do you get 5500 teritorial army and 62k polish army it's way too low
He only counts combat/frontline troops for both sides, not support troops. Unless Poland wants to send their field kitchen staff or field hospital staff into the trenches on day one they are not available for immediate combat. A modern army is at most 1/3 actual combat troops, so 62k combat troops out of 200k total army manpower is pretty realistic.
Don't know how you missed it, otherwise the German army would be ridiculously small as well :D
You forget to calculate, how many German would fight for the country and how many Polish.
Everything seems to be correct, but there is no information about the cross-section of society. Poland has more or less a national ethnic cross-section with 68% obliging themselves to defend themselves, Germany has a diverse national model, including 10 million Muslims and most of them have young people aged 18-30. . According to statistics, only 23% want to defend the country. In addition, there are huge errors in the quantities of anti-aircraft equipment. You mention batteries, not the quantities of fire assets, and we have different conversion rates than Western systems. We already have over a thousand Piorun launchers alone (we probably know how the Russian air force in Ukraine is falling due to this system). Besides, I don't know where the low numbers of reservists in Poland come from, I'm one myself and I'm 38 years old, I'm called for training once a year, and compulsory conscription was still a thing before the dawn. in tens of thousands per year.
Germany + Poland = Friends 🤝
Normal neighbours
Absolutely 🙂👍
Never
No one is really friends with the German.
There are two things that might change the outcome: the internal migrant issue that Germany is facing (but this can also act as a possible advantage if you convince a large military aged group of man to join your cause -- to be detailed down below) and who is US going to support more... Even if US is officially neutral, just like in WW2 is going to support more one of the belligerents if US decides to support Poland (which is more probable at this moment) than it is quite possible that Germany might find itself without the ability to maintain or even get more US-based weapons and ammo (especially missiles) while Poland might be beneficiary of the entire US military industrial complex. One final issue for Germany might be its aging population. While Poland suffers from aging issues, also, it population pyramid is concentrated around 30 - 49 age segment while Germany has most of its population split between two groups: 30 - 49 (where is somewhat on par with Poland) and 55 to 65 which contain considerably more people than the 30 -49 group and for all intents cannot be used as troops in a war. An interesting observation is about what is going on in the 15 - 30 years segment. Poland has about 4 million man in this segment while Germany has about 6.5 million man in this segment, however while most Polish in this group are natives and most-likely can be called to arms, Germany has a lot of migrants from all over Europe and outside of it in this age-group which might imply that is, likely, that a good part of this group might not answer a call to arms...
Germany has long lost its patriotism and too many Germans are looking for their identity in anything else that isn't German. But there's hope to bring it back lol It's just questionable if it's gonna be done by 2029
Wow 21st century Germany actually won in this Hypothetical War Game!?
Crazy...
Exactly, is it april fools @binkov? 😂
We're currently redesigning our forces to work better in tandem with the polish forces. So, while such comparisons are quite interesting, the likelihood of that war happening is 0%
I.e. I am an American prostitute without a free will.
A war between them is not the issue. The issue is how pathetic the German military is, relative to their size, wealth, and advanced economy. Add in the weak German will to fight, and even their inability to live up to their promises of military expansion circa 2022 and you understand why Europe would struggle to confront Russia without the USA. Conversely, much poorer Poland is likely to grow in importance for NATO.
@lazybear236 Russia and Germany had great economic relationship, despite the US puppets in the German government. Bavarian chamber of commerce was pushing hard for decades to drop the sanctions against Russia.
All polish FA-50 should have AESA radar (Raytheon PhantomStrike) and ability to carry and use AIM-120 AMRAAM by 2029. Other thing is their nominal engine power, thrust, size and payload they can carry (a lot smaller jets). So i would rather call them light multirole, more similar to Grippen, than light attack (in 2029, as i have said).
I'm glad you've started doing future projected videos.
Maybe do a scenario with Australia attempting to take French Caledonia in 2035. The French get a tip off to station a load of troops there first. Could be interesting to see if the New Australian navy could bat on with the French Navy (Australia should have more VLS than the French by 2040) and the Army is buying a large naval fleet of Amphibious boats, to add onto Australia's Navy's Amphibious force which is already heavier than the French's.
Will the French Carrier give them air superiority or can the Australian Air Force's tanker fleet get Australia's F-35's there from the mainland?
Like seeing the old format here and there
As a german with many friends in the german forces...we all can asure everyone else...poland will win xD
As someone who was in the polish army i can tell you we are not much better, paper numbers are just that, paper
And this is exactly the kind of western NATO mindset that differentiates both of our nations from the likes of russia. We are much more willing to note our deficiencies and hence try to fix them.
you underestimate what germans are capable of in a all or nothing situation lol.
@@redmax9346 capable of wasting resources just like in ww2? or capable in being replaced in biggest cities by middle easterners? everyone can have a powerful army if they spend 20% of gdp like the third reich you glaze XD
@@redmax9346 A Polish victory would literally be preferable if the German people want to continue existing. With Poles, it's a 30/70 chance they'd genocide us, with Arabs, it's 100%
@Binkov A few corrections to this material. Deliveries of the second batch of Patriot batteries are to be completed in 2029. So in 2029 Poland should have a total of 8 Patriot batteries. By 2029 Poland should have one high-resolution surveillance satellite and four surveillance mini-satellites with lower parameters. The relevant agreements have already been signed in 2022 and 2024. It is still not certain whether the FA-50 light fighters will not be armed with the AIM-120. Negotiations with Korea Aerospace Industries, Raytheon, Lockheed - Martin, the Polish and U.S governments are still ongoing.
Perhaps you could do a video on why the European powers were able to mobilize hundreds of thousands of troops within a month of the outbreak of war in 1914, and now it is a few tens of thousands within several months. I understand the technological requirements for mobilization were lower 100 years ago, but the technological capabilities are higher today. Why couldn't Germany and Poland mobilize one million troops each within a month if war broke out in 2029?
Countries in 1914 had massive stockpiles of weapons on top of consistently large weapon purchases for decades and thus a very large armaments industry. They also had large standing armies and decades of military buildups and uninterrupted institutional warfighting experience going back hundreds of years.
Modern armies simply do not have a million guns on hand. They do not have millions of uniforms or food for a million men. Not only this but they also lack the manufacturing capability to produce any of this in a timely manner. It will be decades before the peace dividend cuts are replaced. Most countries in Europe are entirely dependent on the US for supplying any of this in case of war.
One thing. FA-50PL are getting AESA radars before F-16 giving them Aim-120 capabilities. In fact some polish military commentators are jokingly calling them AMRAM carriers and "loyal wingmen we have at home"
Idea for a video. A review of your should Russia invade Ukraine or not video. Breakdown what you got right and wrong and a prediction of what happens in 2025.
He'll probably wait for it to end, so possibly this year.
Honestly, it's really interesting to see it today. with the war going completely differently to what everyone believed
I agree love to see his take too.
EEE...by 2029 all polish F50's will be equipped with the AN APG83 SABR Radar. It's the same radar fitted in the F16V. So your statement that the polish F50's will have a short range radar is clearly false.
On a much more realistic side: make a prediction as under:
2029 Poland+Germany combined against 2029 Ruzzia combined with.... hehe probably nobody. (Maybe Mali or Burkina Faso)
Something that should be modeled is the numbers of "Foreign Agents"in each country - particularly for Germany. Of the military aged males in Germany, how many will either not fight for Germany or will be active saboteurs? Specifically - How many of the recently arrived "Doctors and Engineers" will join the German Army?
More ethnic German Greens would be a threat to the German war effort. They see the greenhouse gas emitted by German tanks as a greater threat than the Russian armed forces.
According to the manufacturer the AESA radar of FA-50PL despite the small size is to have a range comparable to the new F-16 radar due to the use of the latest technology. 2) Integration with AMRAAM is planned.
One i tak nie beda od wywalczania przewagi powietrznej, jeszcze tym bardziej majac naprzciwko siebie typhoona. To beda samoloty szkolno-bojowe i pewnie do misji typu air policing. Chuj go wie po co je oni w ogole kupowali tak naprawde
@@avegromek 1) dobry stosunek koszt / efekt 2) szybkie dostawy 3) i tak z EFami na ponad 99% nie będą walczyć 4) na moskalskie szroty wystarczą
@@grzegorzkudirka6458I guess since they aren’t meant to fight an air war. That would be task of EF and F22 anyway. And they are there to complement multirole aircraft like the f16 and f35 with an additional training and ground attacking component.
i feel like german morale would be the biggest issue
Morale is the same in this scenario
germans having worse army in 2029 and no german troops is the biggest problem
If Germany and Poland go to war, the Bundestag will still be trying to pass funding when the Poles reach Berlin 😂😂😂 Germany is like a Porsche that is all held up by VW parts and bondo.
You should do NATO vs Russia in 2029
no
do “could modern russia take over japan if it wanted to?” instead
NATO vs the USA after Trump leaves them.
Yes but a good portion of those 370 000 males turning 18 each year would leave during a war given that they aren't actually German
Also ethnic Germans would leave during a war though.
They would no doubt be offered full citizenship for there service.
@@Iamabot4708 still Jihadists in German ranks would not be a good addition. Also there are over million Poles in Germany this should be considered as well
What? What does this mean?
Illegal immagrants?
It's 2025, even as of july 2024 it's officially stated Poland had 216.5k not 135k troops. Your data's wrong mate
Germany has hollowed out their military, so I don't see this as realistic (even leaving aside the realism of two NATO countries going to war against each other). I've seen pretty limited signs that Germany is going to be able to turn that around either, at least not in this time frame. I think you are looking at numbers and simply saying the bigger number is going to win...kind of the same way people thought Russia's special 3-day military operation against Ukraine would have Russia winning in a few days or weeks at most, instead of a stalemate going into a multi-year conflict.
I mean the Video Said:
Look, Germany would Not BE able to invade Polen and only win in a Long Term war with its Industry at war time production.
He never Said how Long IT would Take for Germany to win. Fact is that Polen also would Not BE able to get anywhere Close to Berlin. So the war would be a Stalemate until Germanys Money and manpower would win at the end. This is Not a Bad conclusion and is Something that we are seeing in the Ukraine war. Ukraine would be already beaten without Military aid.
Ich bin da anderer Meinung.
Wenn man sich mal den Krieg in der Ukraine betrachtet, dann hat man ja schon mehr Ähnlichkeiten in diesem Krieg zum Ersten Weltkrieg.
Also gut befestigte Stellungen, die lange Zeit lang gehalten werden. Anstelle der Artillerie in großer Stückzahl kommt nun eben die kleine und billige Drohne zum Einsatz.
Sie kostet in etwa so viel, wie eine Artilleriegranate - nur das sie wohl weitaus tödlicher ist.
Was lernen wir daraus?
Es braucht viel weniger Soldaten, die in einem Panzer sitzen, es braucht weniger Soldaten, die mit einem Gewehr einen Sturmangriff durchführen - man braucht Menschen in den Fabriken, die zehntausende Drohnen an einem Tag produzieren, man braucht KI, welche die Drohnen effektiv steuert und man kann auch jeden jungen Mann mit einem Game-Pad an einen Bildschirm setzten, der vom Wohnzimmer aus, diesen Krieg führt.
Natürlich braucht es auch ein par Mann, die diese Drohnen von einer LKW-Ladefläche in einem recht sicheren Raum tragen und einsatzbereit machen - man muss die elektronische Kriegsführung beherrschen und den Raum sichern und vorbereiten.
Aber wenn die Drohnen erst mal gestartet sind, kann man über mindestens 20 Kilometer im Feindesland "toben" und jegliche Feindbewegung fast unmöglich machen.
Wir wissen ja aus der Geschichte, das man sich immer auf den Krieg vorbereitet, in dem man den letzten Krieg studiert und dann kommt so eine technische Neuerung und dann steht man wieder am Anfang seiner Planung. 🤣😂🤣
Aber ich bin mir sehr sicher, das zukünftige Kriege mit deutliche weniger Soldaten aus Fleisch und Blut geführt werden - was nicht bedeuten muss, das Kriege weniger Blut fordern - nur eben, das der Einsatz von Technik immer überlegener wird und dann stellt sich eben die Frage, wie schnell ein Staat in der Lage sein wird, die Logistikkette zu bereiten, um die Kriegswerkzeuge aus Rohstoffen in Fabriken herzustellen und diese an die Teile der Front zu transportieren und einsatzfähig zu machen.
Bracht es dazu sehr viele Soldaten, die man über Jahre ausbilden muss oder braucht es dazu weniger Soldaten, die einigermaßen sicher die Bunker und Stellungssysteme an der Front überwachen können und die Angriffe eben aus dem Hinterland kommen.
Das wird wohl die Frage der kommenden Kriege sein, die wir sicherlich beantwortet bekommen werden - schlicht, weil sie stattfinden werden.
Viele Grüße
@@ert8968 The fact is that Berlin would burn. It is within the range of barrel artillery, not to mention rocket artillery. Projects for 155mm projectiles with a range of 80 km are already being implemented. Not to mention drones (see the Polish GLADIUS program, drones with a range of at least 200 km). At a distance of 300 km, Polish rocket artillery would burn infrastructure and everything alive. So why do you think that Poland would not approach Berlin?
@@teriampuls9356 1 Kleine Drohnen werden nicht im Umfeld der elektronischen Kriegsführung eingesetzt. 2 Artillerie während des Ersten Weltkriegs und des Krieges in der Ukraine ist der Gott des Krieges. 3 Brauchen Sie viel weniger Soldaten? Sagen Sie das den Russen, deren dauerhafte und irreversible Verluste 800.000 überschritten haben, oder den Ukrainern, die Schwierigkeiten haben, ihre Verluste zu ersetzen.
Thank you 🙏 Binkov.
Only native population is willing to fight. So in that Poland has a BIG advantage over Germany.
Since you cant know how many non natives would actually fight for the country theyre staying in, I suggest you wait until some actual data on that topic gets published instead of blindly making assumptions.
Poland vs Germany: Who’d win a war in 2029?
Greenland vs Iceland: Who’d win a war in 2029? 🤣🤣🤣
Being Polish, I hope to see a strong Germany. Poland requires powerful allies and a single border to secure.
be careful what you wish for
niemcy z AfD to 1939 rok i wojna światowa
Germany would have a hard time because of the enemy within.
AFD/BSW - but the enemy is still not Poland. ;)
@@tlamatintin7968 BSW is controlled opposition, and I'm optimistic but sceptical about the AfD. The enemy is everyone opposed to Germany for Germans
Finally! Such a video! The sole reason I am subscribed to you.
I would say rather good job with preparing all informations and doing calculations but variant of war You choose is kinda... Strange to say it at least. I would have suggestion for You to maybe try a bit different format and to turn it into two separated options (or even two videos if needed as I expect it may take even more time and work to prepare). Long story short:
Lets leave calculations as they are for both sides and skip question as to "why?" since it is clearly theoretical scenarios. But instead of war where both sides just kinda aimlessly shoots into each other lets see those two instead:
1) Germany attacks first. What are chances, biggest obstacles and possible goals (solid part was already told here. Prolonged war to slowly grind down enemy and win thru better and bigger economy and resource pool).
2) Poland attacks first. And same here. There are clear disproportions in some categories that could be used in this gamble, to achieve... What exactly? In this case the best bet would be probably switch mass attack with heavy support of tanks, arty and rockets to get important points in range of things like JASSM and other long range strike. Or maybe there could be other potential things?
The best if both comes with probable cost of such campaign and then final answer that I can already expect: Would it be worth all the loses? This of course not change how improbable such cases are, but would be much more clear as to why exactly, and much more interesting since You will be able to tap bit more into how different types of weapons and vehicles could be utilized, instead of: Yeah, this is a new tank, and this one is just older and not so capable...
sorry to say this, but your stats regarding Poland are taken from thin air and have little to do with real numbers.
You have really outdated data about polish army size. Our army is much stronger than German, but i think that Germans would still win a full - scale war. They are the strongest economy in EU. They are able to produce more equipment, buy more ammo, hire mercenaries... So either we would win fast or the war would last very long and then the Germans would win.
I, as a German, think Poland could win because we would loose on the homefront (Germany is not as stable as people think)
But I hope there will never be a war again between Poland and Germany or in Central Europe in general
As a German, i think it would really be a matter of preparedness:
If war broke out right now, this second, I think genuinly Poland would stomp us. You are just much more combat ready. Unsurprising, really, considering your land border with Mordor.
If both sides had years to prepare in advance, I think we would win because our industry is much larger and we have more people to draw from.
But all that aside, im glad we are not fighting. As much as we argue, im glad to call you Poles fellow Europeans, which cant be said about some of your neighbours...
Thanks guys for your response, you both made good points. I really hope we will never have to fight against each other again. Live and prosper!
Very good analysis. Only one major difference, Poland has a strong will of fighting population. Many nationalist. Germany is consisting of many immigrants not willing to fight for Germany.
800.000 Pols in Germany one of the largest groups of immigrants.
Germany consisted of green leftists and woke liberal socialist. Neither will fight or has any balls. They are only concerned with pensions and more immigration
Your mistaking. Biggest part of germans are germans and nationalist.
@@0MoTheGwywalcie ich prosze zmotywujcie sie ,tych polakow w Niemczech i w całej zachodniej europie,w końcu w Polsce było by więcej rąk do pracy
they all live in my apartment. I hope we can stay friends.
As you mentioned Poland will buy/will have bought a lot of stuff, on the other hand Germany will rise up its annual defense spending (for now I guess up to 2,5% in 2029) with a great focus on improving its domestic defense sector. Improving the Production lines at BAE-Systems, Ratheon, Diehl, Rheinmetall, KMW(Nexter),... at that time they will run on full capacity producing stockpiles for our allies.
Not Mentioning that Poland have and will have only a small part, compared to German logistic fleet. (discussed in the last days on Task&Purpose discord server).
You got Germanys Reserve totally wrong. Their is an "active" and passive" part of reserve and you only counted the active. The passive is about 900k and has all former soldiers included that can go 2x military training in a year if they want. The active part can train more often and works like a regular unit and is comparable to a national guard.
whats polands passive military?
@@DoubleBourbonBaconCheeseBurgerEven more
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