I truly believe that your brain would fit in a Barbie doll’s navel, with enough room left for two Raisinets and a list of your important accomplishments.
At least Kim would be able to have that conversation with Spock regarding life, death and life again, given they both have a frame of reference to work from... :P
I like the dilemma episode with the EMH having a problem with choosing Harry Kim over Jetal, but... it shouldn't have been a problem but became one by choice. Here's why: Despite both being Ensigns, Harry was a Bridge officer while Jetal was not, and had seniority. Hence, Harry was more valuable to the crew and gets priority. The EMH chose to focus on the reason being his and his nurse's (Tom Paris) friend, and is guilty over it causing the dilemma. Still good character building for the EMH becoming more sentient and above his programming, but it's still there otherwise he wouldn't be.
It should have been a simple fix... just reprogram the EMH so that he can make subjective decisions if his program doesn't have a clear "correct" course of action. Then, it doesn't matter if he remembers Ens. Jetel or not.
Should be able to just run two copies of the EMH program and do both surgeries simultaneously. He's still a program even if he's sentient. Other than plot convenience, there's no reason that shouldn't work.
@@DrunkenDaoist Yeah, this. How cool would the Doctor have been as a character if he was a hologram with emerging sentience, who looked human, but he could be in multiple places at once, making him seem that much more alien to the crew. It would've been great for his arc.
@@DrunkenDaoist Someone more knowledgeable about computers correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't it take a lot of resources (space, time) to have both programs running at the same time? Especially since the EMH has an extremely large program. Of course you wouldn't have to run all the subroutines like singing opera, but it would still be quite large. We know the Enterprise computer had the largest capacity of any ship, but I assume the same would not be true of Voyager, since it was meant for shorter missions.
"reroute power, reroute systems etc.." or maybe move the whole bed to the holideck. It would have been a good follow up as they merged the 2 doctor programs together that it would create issues later on. Or even have the ensign still die and the doctor have the same 2nd guess issues.
I just watched that episode today. Watching the Vidiian wearing Lieutenant Durst's face still mess me up. It's how casual he is with it that's unnerving.
They did Joe Carey dirty, how can he go from almost being chief engineer to gone for practically they entire show? I mean all the shots in engineering and he was nowhere to be found,, only to kill him off in the end is ridiculous
What the Doctor went through there is all too common for ER and Military Medics. They may have strict procedures to help making the decision even at all possible, but they are still human and having to choose who lives and who dies, knowing if you have a few more minutes even seconds you could have saved them both, crushes even the Doctors simulated mind. Also, humans don't have the option/luxury of bypassing the psychic falloff.
I remember Durst. They started giving him more screentime a couple of epsiodes before his death. I felt like some of his dialogue was unnecessary, particularly in the episode "Cathexis" wasn't as emotional for me. Durst for the most part, up until those episodes they showed more of him was a background character. No real character development behind him, didn't know much of his backstory, or much about him in general in terms of what the series showed of him. Carey for me was the most emotional for me. So close to home, yet so far...
What was weird was that Durst was a lieutenant in the operations division. He should have been the senior officer, while Harry should have started as a lower decker.
4:27 Well... There was a 4th option, one the computer core and holo emitters would have been easily able to handle. "COMPUTER! MAKE A COPY OF THE CURRENTLY ACTIVE EMH and call in Doc 2 AND ACTIVATE IT!" Sadly they would have ruined the plot of that episode and likely many other episodes after that, if it worked. You can't even legitimately argue that it would take awhile for the computer to comply since they gave a dying Phadian a holo body and installed her life of experience into that hologram, in pretty much a snap of the fingers, so the data processing power, memory and bandwidth is there to make an instantaneous copy of the original Voyager EMH, to preform the surgery needed on the dying character.
5 options; they also could have temporarily beamed up one of the crew and left them in the pattern buffer while the Dr operated on the first, then rematerialized the 2nd for surgery after he was done saving the first
I will never forget that one episode where Jane forces crew members that never went offship since getting stranded to go on an away mission with her. She then spends the entire time preaching to them about Starfleet's mission of exploration. The she gets mad when one guy kills a burrowing alien after she hits him with a phaser to injure it.
The sad thing about the ensign is not that she died but that no one was allowed to grief her. They had to deny her existence to make sure the doctor doesn't fall in his feedback loop again. You know how they so you are never really dead as long as someone remembers you.
The real mystery from Course Oblivion is that, were any of the episodes before this, actually experienced by the Silver Blood aliens? Don't forget future Harry from Timeless
Would it have been possible to have MULTIPLE simultaneous 'instances' of the EMH active at one point; so-as to handle multiple patients at a time? Did they ever address this? Because, in theory- on the holodeck, one could have multiple copies of a single holo-character active in a single program... (( See the possibility of Word fighting multiple "Skeletors" at a time ))
Ellie, are you forgetting that “Lt Durst” was seeking the Soulless Minions of Orthodoxy, and went with the Dominion? Coincidence? No, he created the Vidians
All these alternate time travel realities have to exist for the one time traveling to have the experiences that lead them to do whatever they do to make that time line 'not happen'. So these timelines exist, and the crew members that think they're 'changing the timeline' are actually just multiversal hopping.
I was thinking about this, about the Doctor, isn't possible that he could have split himself to operate on both? All of the his memories reside on the same ISO database.
One supposes that it could be a question of how many holo-emitters does Voyager's sick bay have...pretty sure there's only ever been one hologram active in the room at one time, since didn't the EMH have to use a Holodeck to interact with Vidiian doctor Danara Pel after her brain was wired into Voyager's computers?
I always felt bad for Carey, guy was just trying to do his job, then B'Elanna treats him like shit, punches him in the face and then get promoted. Doesnt seem right. lol
Before I even press play...I'm gonna guess we are going to have THE HOT DAMN MONTHLY TUVIX DEBATE AGAIN, AREN'T WE😡 Edit: Well, I'll be a monkey's uncle...Tuvix was not on the list. Trek Culture, I apologize. I WAS WRONG!!
Its been years since I first saw Basics Pt2 when it aired on BBC1 on a Sunday all them years back.... and im still mad at Neelix for killing my beautiful Hogan 😭
No Tuvix? At least all other deaths were caused by Voyager's enemies, accidents, or just the nature of their existence as in the silver blood crew - the saddest story in the entire series, if not all of Star Trek. I wouldn't call Jetal's death messed up, just how it sometimes goes in hospitals (then again, couldn't they have "mirrored" the Doctor so he can perform two surgeries simultaneously - he is a hologram, after all?) But Tuvix's death was caused by the good guys, and to this day divides Trekkies over the moral dilemma thereof.
Forgot the most messed up one. Tuvix. Captain Janeway essentially ordered his execution. Tuvix didn't want to die, he was dragged to his death even the EMH refused to part of it.
I can tell you right now the blood pressure kill is slightly off. One the bottom number would be higher. I'm not being experimented and mine is already that high.
I mean, I never understood why they just didn't spawn more EMH's when needed. As terribly "punny" as having more doctors would be that sounds like an awful idea on second thought. Disregard.
I still don't understand why Joe was killed, there was zero need to get rid of the character, there is shock value and there is stupid value, Joe's death was the latter.
15 Min Ish Miles O'Brien At that Point in the Time ~ Line is that Rank the HIGHEST Chief Petty Officer ! ? AND WHAT ABOUT SHE DID NOT DIE BUT JUST VANISH the Pilot of the Shuttle that took Tom Paris up to Voyager ;
I truly believe the real reason why Admiral Janeway went back in time in Endgame was to stop Harry from being promoted. 😂
I truly believe that your brain would fit in a Barbie doll’s navel, with enough room left for two Raisinets and a list of your important accomplishments.
savage
It certainly wasn't to save Joe Kerry, who dies around a month before Admiral Janeway arrives in the past.
Ooh, fun, I can't wait to see how many of them are Harry.
But Harry falling through that hole in the second episode was hilarious!
Harry the O'Brien of voyager
At least Kim would be able to have that conversation with Spock regarding life, death and life again, given they both have a frame of reference to work from... :P
That Vidiian: I'm going to take his face... off
No more drugs....for that man...err....Vidiian!
I always found the deliberate termination of Tuvix to be pretty messed up, morally... 🤣
Like allying with the Borg, torturing an Equinox crew member, wrecking the timeline, and gaslighting Harry Kim.
Fun times
It was hilarious
Since both Tuvok & Neelix survived, the…………ending…………of Tuvix does not count as death, ISTM.
It's supposed to be morally dubious though ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ It's the trolley problem. I think Janeway made the right, if nauseating, decision.
I like the dilemma episode with the EMH having a problem with choosing Harry Kim over Jetal, but... it shouldn't have been a problem but became one by choice. Here's why:
Despite both being Ensigns, Harry was a Bridge officer while Jetal was not, and had seniority. Hence, Harry was more valuable to the crew and gets priority. The EMH chose to focus on the reason being his and his nurse's (Tom Paris) friend, and is guilty over it causing the dilemma. Still good character building for the EMH becoming more sentient and above his programming, but it's still there otherwise he wouldn't be.
It should have been a simple fix... just reprogram the EMH so that he can make subjective decisions if his program doesn't have a clear "correct" course of action. Then, it doesn't matter if he remembers Ens. Jetel or not.
Should be able to just run two copies of the EMH program and do both surgeries simultaneously. He's still a program even if he's sentient. Other than plot convenience, there's no reason that shouldn't work.
@@DrunkenDaoist Yeah, this. How cool would the Doctor have been as a character if he was a hologram with emerging sentience, who looked human, but he could be in multiple places at once, making him seem that much more alien to the crew. It would've been great for his arc.
@@DrunkenDaoist Someone more knowledgeable about computers correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't it take a lot of resources (space, time) to have both programs running at the same time? Especially since the EMH has an extremely large program. Of course you wouldn't have to run all the subroutines like singing opera, but it would still be quite large. We know the Enterprise computer had the largest capacity of any ship, but I assume the same would not be true of Voyager, since it was meant for shorter missions.
"reroute power, reroute systems etc.." or maybe move the whole bed to the holideck. It would have been a good follow up as they merged the 2 doctor programs together that it would create issues later on. Or even have the ensign still die and the doctor have the same 2nd guess issues.
I just watched that episode today. Watching the Vidiian wearing Lieutenant Durst's face still mess me up. It's how casual he is with it that's unnerving.
They did Joe Carey dirty, how can he go from almost being chief engineer to gone for practically they entire show? I mean all the shots in engineering and he was nowhere to be found,, only to kill him off in the end is ridiculous
They clearly thought they killed him way earlier on. Just completely forgot him. Which is both sad and hilarious.
Note for Americans: RADA, Royal Academy of Dramatic Arts.
What the Doctor went through there is all too common for ER and Military Medics. They may have strict procedures to help making the decision even at all possible, but they are still human and having to choose who lives and who dies, knowing if you have a few more minutes even seconds you could have saved them both, crushes even the Doctors simulated mind. Also, humans don't have the option/luxury of bypassing the psychic falloff.
I remember Durst. They started giving him more screentime a couple of epsiodes before his death. I felt like some of his dialogue was unnecessary, particularly in the episode "Cathexis" wasn't as emotional for me. Durst for the most part, up until those episodes they showed more of him was a background character. No real character development behind him, didn't know much of his backstory, or much about him in general in terms of what the series showed of him.
Carey for me was the most emotional for me. So close to home, yet so far...
What was weird was that Durst was a lieutenant in the operations division. He should have been the senior officer, while Harry should have started as a lower decker.
If you will have Chucky on your crew, then what do you expect?
Then Candyman shows up later.
4:27 Well... There was a 4th option, one the computer core and holo emitters would have been easily able to handle. "COMPUTER! MAKE A COPY OF THE CURRENTLY ACTIVE EMH and call in Doc 2 AND ACTIVATE IT!" Sadly they would have ruined the plot of that episode and likely many other episodes after that, if it worked. You can't even legitimately argue that it would take awhile for the computer to comply since they gave a dying Phadian a holo body and installed her life of experience into that hologram, in pretty much a snap of the fingers, so the data processing power, memory and bandwidth is there to make an instantaneous copy of the original Voyager EMH, to preform the surgery needed on the dying character.
5 options; they also could have temporarily beamed up one of the crew and left them in the pattern buffer while the Dr operated on the first, then rematerialized the 2nd for surgery after he was done saving the first
I will never forget that one episode where Jane forces crew members that never went offship since getting stranded to go on an away mission with her. She then spends the entire time preaching to them about Starfleet's mission of exploration. The she gets mad when one guy kills a burrowing alien after she hits him with a phaser to injure it.
Not gonna lie, that “you’re projecting” joke was pretty good.
Ellie, how could you not side with the Vidiians? How did you get that beautiful porcelain like skin? I'm thinking you might be an undercover Vidiian 😂
The sad thing about the ensign is not that she died but that no one was allowed to grief her. They had to deny her existence to make sure the doctor doesn't fall in his feedback loop again.
You know how they so you are never really dead as long as someone remembers you.
The real mystery from Course Oblivion is that, were any of the episodes before this, actually experienced by the Silver Blood aliens?
Don't forget future Harry from Timeless
About number 4. I thought the unnamed crew person was genetically more sensitive to that form of radiation. Tom may be more resistive to it.
Oh, Durst's death and mutilation horrified me when I first saw it. Poor man didnt deserve that.
I love this channel, thank you for your service
Coulda swore you said "dyke roomates", I was like WHAT??
Dichromates, okay.😂
Honorable mention to Robert Beltran's reputation....
MOOPSIE!!!!
Hindsight being 20/20, the Doctor would probably have done Voyager a favor by choosing Jetal over Kim...
In the novels, the "unnamed crewmember" of #7 was a Section 31 operative named Lieutenant Roberta Luke. Just to update the character roster.
1:26 This is where the video actually starts!
LT Carey’s death should have been #1 because it was written better and you knew they brought him back to end him.
If only the computer could create two EMHs ...
Would it have been possible to have MULTIPLE simultaneous 'instances' of the EMH active at one point; so-as to handle multiple patients at a time?
Did they ever address this?
Because, in theory- on the holodeck, one could have multiple copies of a single holo-character active in a single program...
(( See the possibility of Word fighting multiple "Skeletors" at a time ))
Ellie, are you forgetting that “Lt Durst” was seeking the Soulless Minions of Orthodoxy, and went with the Dominion? Coincidence? No, he created the Vidians
All these alternate time travel realities have to exist for the one time traveling to have the experiences that lead them to do whatever they do to make that time line 'not happen'. So these timelines exist, and the crew members that think they're 'changing the timeline' are actually just multiversal hopping.
I was thinking about this, about the Doctor, isn't possible that he could have split himself to operate on both? All of the his memories reside on the same ISO database.
One supposes that it could be a question of how many holo-emitters does Voyager's sick bay have...pretty sure there's only ever been one hologram active in the room at one time, since didn't the EMH have to use a Holodeck to interact with Vidiian doctor Danara Pel after her brain was wired into Voyager's computers?
How about the victims of Jetrel's Metreon cascade?
"Waste nothing". I have always been upset over all that was left behind on the planet in "Resolutions". SURELY, it all could have been recycled.
I always felt bad for Carey, guy was just trying to do his job, then B'Elanna treats him like shit, punches him in the face and then get promoted. Doesnt seem right. lol
Before I even press play...I'm gonna guess we are going to have THE HOT DAMN MONTHLY TUVIX DEBATE AGAIN, AREN'T WE😡
Edit: Well, I'll be a monkey's uncle...Tuvix was not on the list. Trek Culture, I apologize. I WAS WRONG!!
Its been years since I first saw Basics Pt2 when it aired on BBC1 on a Sunday all them years back.... and im still mad at Neelix for killing my beautiful Hogan 😭
No Tuvix? At least all other deaths were caused by Voyager's enemies, accidents, or just the nature of their existence as in the silver blood crew - the saddest story in the entire series, if not all of Star Trek. I wouldn't call Jetal's death messed up, just how it sometimes goes in hospitals (then again, couldn't they have "mirrored" the Doctor so he can perform two surgeries simultaneously - he is a hologram, after all?) But Tuvix's death was caused by the good guys, and to this day divides Trekkies over the moral dilemma thereof.
God she’s gorgeous
I listened along; I liked this video; but, I didn't actually watch the visuals. I will still wait for the next installment. 🙂
I feel like borg nano probes, would have been the vadeans magic bullet against the phage.
"Sometimes capricious, sometimes well-meaning god-like superbeings." There you go, that's the Q. Well Meaning here is the "Road to Hell" type.
Forgot the most messed up one. Tuvix. Captain Janeway essentially ordered his execution. Tuvix didn't want to die, he was dragged to his death even the EMH refused to part of it.
Sacrificing one life to save two. If Tuvix had been kept, that would have been executing Tuvok and Neelix.
Can't help but think Ellie enjoyed this a little too much
I can tell you right now the blood pressure kill is slightly off. One the bottom number would be higher. I'm not being experimented and mine is already that high.
The murder of poor Tuvix
Number 10 should have been number 1.
What made that Vidian so bad ?
He was just trying to save face.
I loved the t-shirt. Voyager rules! *
Just ten?
A real Faceoff situation.
Yes but at least his cells didn’t get bored, I mean how much worse can the minions of orthodoxy be ?
Mike Meyers wears James T. Kirk face! 😹 *
I mean, I never understood why they just didn't spawn more EMH's when needed. As terribly "punny" as having more doctors would be that sounds like an awful idea on second thought. Disregard.
Being Harry Kim
It's complicated
More Ellie please!
Thanks. 🖖🏻
Can't for Harry Kim episode in Lower Decks.
I will be honest: The Vidiians scare me more than the Borg. Just saying.
I still don't understand why Joe was killed, there was zero need to get rid of the character, there is shock value and there is stupid value, Joe's death was the latter.
They took his face...off...
15 Min Ish Miles O'Brien At that Point in the Time ~ Line is that Rank the HIGHEST Chief Petty Officer ! ? AND WHAT ABOUT SHE DID NOT DIE BUT JUST VANISH the Pilot of the Shuttle that took Tom Paris up to Voyager ;
would lay off that much make up lol
Sneaked. Publish and be damned
Ellie is a sweet piece of ...
Was she even alive during Voyager's run?
Ellie, I adore you, but too many of the jokes in this video didn't land. Couldn't finish it, especially considering the grisly subject matter.
Can we have your liver, then? Yeah, all right
I blame Janeway. Let's stay in the Delta Quadrant, gang! We'll get together, piss all major powers we come into contact with off, have a few laughs...
Gods Ellie, the Q count as gods.
I hate Neelix specifically because he was responsible for Hogan’s unaliving
Who doesn't love Ellie?