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Im 27 my dude, and I've just learned about dysgraphia! I've had all sorts of learning plans, and occupational therapy and no one could place it through the public school system and it is so liberating to know I'm not inherently broken
25 years ago I was going to be held back at school because no teacher could read my handwriting so could not mark my work. My art teacher suggested caligraphy lessons which I then undertook for 2 years. This made the difference for me as I was retaught from scratch how to form and shape each letter by hand and it was the best thing I could have ever done to change my situation, I hope it will work for others like myself.
I did the same and was able to achieve legible handwriting so long as I do not write too quickly, but I still suffer from what I believe to be other symptoms of my dysgraphia such as a severely reduced ability to express myself in written form (when compared to my verbal acuity), a pronounced tendency to make spelling mistakes or use punctuation incorrectly, difficulty in understanding when to end sentences or paragraphs, (as this comment illustrates) and an emotional aversion to communicating in the written word.
I also believe I am not able to interoperate visual stimuli as quickly as others, it takes me a just bit longer to understand what is going on in an image or in a video. Idk if this is also a symptom of dysgraphia or my multiple concussions.
@@Shoutinthewind you just described my 15 yrs old son. Luckily, we live in NYC and kids in public schools get a lot of support services, but many just want to move kids on to tech.... typing... and forget handwriting.
Feeling a little sad but also relived to find this disorder exists. I struggled in school my whole life. I could have been a completely different person as an adult if I had know this about myself then.
After years of being out of school (had to drop out because of ridicule because of my writing inability), I finally figured out that I wasn't stupid. I have dysgraphia. My teachers use to always make fun of me and say things like "You need to go back to 6th grade and re-take spelling." and crap like that. I'm half-way tempted to go back and show them this video.
This must be the challenge one of my current students has. She is only the second one I have worked with during my 10 years teaching college physics and chemistry. I noticed the students verbally answering correctly the questions I ask during lecture but then not answering correctly similar questions on written tests. The difference between their spoken and written answers is staggering. I gave these two students oral exams instead of written ones. It is hard sometimes though to adapt the material ... today I had my current student build the molecules using a model kit instead of trying to draw them ... this worked and we will do more of it. I am happy to say the previous student made it through 4 semesters of physics with me and my current student just passed her Organic Chemistry final exam today (this is her third semester of chemistry with me, she has one more to go). I will be checking your website for more ideas on how to make my science classes equitable.
Despite the covid-spring jolt to online, my student passed with high marks her fourth and final semester of chemistry, O-Chem II, lecture and lab. YAY!! :-). It is seeing a student be so successful that makes teaching worthwhile.
I cant explain how amazing that makes you, you didnt even need a diagnosis to start making accommodations, my teachers wouldn’t help even after getting a diagnosis
@@hithere7080 Gosh, I am sorry to hear this. If your learning needs are not being accommodated, you should press the issue all the way up the chain of command at your school, dean, VP, even college president if needed, and if still not being met, consider making a public comment at a school board meeting,. There is so much talk about inclusive practices and environments in teaching, and yet when it comes to people who need a little something different, like an oral exam instead of a written one, sometimes that inclusion talk is just talk. 😞 I hope and pray you will be able to find faculty who will recognize and value your unique perspective and all the contributions you can make to the class. e.g. the O-Chem student I mentioned is enormously gifted and talented with languages and with giving presentations. She speaks 11 languages, and would talk with all her classmates in their own first language. And when groups had to give presentations, she rocked it! and her help was sought after by her classmates, and she generously helped them. I pray you will find this acceptance and appreciation. Hang in there, stay strong, persevere. 🙂 Best wishes!
Thank you for this video! My son has been struggling with this for years and I finally can understand what it going on! When I showed him this video he cried because he said, "Finally, someone understands what I'm saying!" He has told his teachers over and over that he can't help writing "sloppy" or he doesn't know how to get started on an essay. This is a great starting point for us to get him some help! I am so thankful!
I hope your school has access to a good OT,it was a godsend for my oldest son.I unfortunately had to suffer thru what your son is dealing with all thru untill college,and I swore I'd never let it happen to my kid.So good luck to you and and small bit of knowledge,my son is 22 now can bench press me and I still have to help him with lids and caps occasionally.Let your boy know he's not alone and it's ok if he needs help with opening stuff,most dysgraphics have high IQs [that doctors have bad writing stereotype came from somewhere] and that beats being able to open jars everyday.
Yeah, I have dysgraphia and I can attest that it’s the starting on an essay that is the fucking worst. I am also almost incapable of creative writing because of this as well. All the other aspects are a lot easier to work on than this. You should talk to a speech pathologist. It really helped me and got me through year 12 English the is year and brought my language skills up to acceptable standards when I was younger
I have dysgraphia, I found that writing in cursive helps a lot with spacing, it doesn't fix a lot of issues like page planning but it makes things more intelligible, typing is still the best solution out there.
Omg YES. I got a 1350 on my sat because I omitted around 20 questions because I couldn't finish time because I have dysgraphia. I KNOW I can do better, I'm so mad
I have this but it was diagnosed as visual/spatial defects. My teachers when I was a kid never understood me every time I complained of having a hand cramp from writing. Well, what they don't realize is that it is more than a cramp, it was painful. And I got lower scores on my essays until my junior year of high school when my English teacher understood what I was going through and wrote exactly what I needed to write. I've since improved with the language processing aspect and I owe it to her. I still struggle with fine motor in writing and other areas too along with visual and spatial as well.
I hate this, it makes school miserable for me.. I get sick of writing two page papers and only getting back an F with a note saying, "Not legible." It isn't fair. At least I'm a junior and almost done with HS.
I have an 11 year old . He hates writing. To my surprise not all teachers are educated to recognize the signs. He just entered middle school and they are already attributing his lack of writing interest to him “ choosing “ not to do the work. I am just finding out about this dysgraphia term and I feel angry that I didn’t had the information to advocate for my son. But better now than never ! I’m sorry for those who have been punished for this learning disability - it should be treated as such! They better watch out bc mama bear is coming to the rescue !
I also have a son with dysgraphia. He's a fifth grader now and still struggling writing which lead him to sore hands. Every school year I always see to it that all his teachers know his case so they'll give consideration to him.
I have dysgrapgia and I can't keep up with my class due to all the notes in grade 8 but I have found that using script writing really helps with writing and learning a language is almost impossible. But to those who have this disability keep on fighting and you will eventually make it to the end with great success
Please don`t give up.I battled through high school,in those day they didn't even consider that someone could be dyslexic let alone have dysgraphia. Today,there is more awareness,please go and see a school councillor .Seek help now. There are methods and systems in place now.I understand and feel your pain .Be brave ,be courageous , stand up for yourself and you and your future will be brighter.You definitely can do it.Martin New Zealand.
My son is very dysgraphic. I understand your frustration. You should consider typing your papers for school. One thing I have my son do is separate the writing process from the creative process. He will record what he wants to say one day then listen to it and type it on another day. He tends to dummy down his writing if these processes are not separated. Good luck. I know it is difficult.
A student with dysgraphia might be helped by learning the old Palmer method of handwriting. You don't move the hand at all to write, you move your entire arm. This used to be the standard way to teach handwriting in older generations that used dip ink pens. It avoids using the fine motor muscles in the hand that are contributing to the dysgraphia problem.
I work in the tech field, I was once told that every time I write that it was a slap in the face to the education system. I've had it all my life and just recently diagnosed with it...I just always thought I was being lazy, but the fatigue is dead on. However I can read my own handwriting I just call it "code".
Found out about dysgraphia recently, I never understood why it takes so long for me to write. I realise now why I never finish any exam or in-class essay on time while everyone else does. Glad I am not alone in this.
I'm disgraphic, and I wonder why it's not that known to many people. My dysgraphia makes alomst everything difficult when it comes to writing. It takes me forever to write a little story, and it takes me a little longer to write a tiny note. In almost everything I write, theres typos. I knew for sure I was going to fail the writing test I took in the 7th grade, now I have to go to the 8th grade with writing assistance.
I hope you are doing well. I am in my 60's. Forget about typos. THat is what editors are for. I did not write essays until I turned 30. I have only recently felt comfortable about writing. The paragraph above says that you can and should write.
It is very nice that LD.org does reply, it is as if you really do understand just how much thought process it takes before the actual step is taken, especially in older people that are use to hiding from the exposure.
I have dysgraphia and my one S.S teacher whenever I tried to turn in writing pieces the she couldn’t read she would ask me to read them. I couldn’t read them and so she had me sit in the front of the class not next to my friends but in front of her desk and told me when I needed to spell a word that I couldn’t spell to ask and she would help. Or I was allowed In her class to search the word on google. I was allowed extra time so I could write in cursive and then my teacher could read my writing. She was a strictish teacher and really helped my grade so teachers could read my writing and I could read it.
I am dysgraphic and he described me perfectly except I write all of my letters backwards. That is the biggest symptoms of dysgraphia that was not mentioned. Cursive help but I find I get more tired that way. This was a great video
I was diagnosed with dysgraphia when I was 5 and it feels comfortable when I grip pencils , also if you feel like you need something better on your pencil grip I recommend surgu so you can make a custom grip with how you prefer it , also I normally switch to cursive during writing in a times new roman like font
I have dysgraphia. Some of the things that I'll do when writing include: -Mixing up similar letters, like b, d, q, p, c, a, and g. Like I'll try to write the letter g and I'll inadvertently add the stem of a d to it. Or sometimes I'll just write a b instead of a d. -Gripping the pencil way too hard and pushing down too hard on the paper. I prefer to use pens because they usually have the rubber grip and they don't have as much friction and glide easier on the paper when you try to write. They also don't break unlike pencil leads. -Within the lines, my sentences will often sway between the bottom and the top, like a ~. -Spacing between words is also pretty bad and varies a lot. Other times, I'll think I have enough space to write a word at the end of a line, but irl there's no way it would fit and I always end up going downwards in order to fit the word. -My handwriting is pretty bad and most people aren't actually able to read it unless they're me or are a teacher. Pretty much nobody else can read it. -Literally never have ideas on what to write and it takes me ages to get going, although that might be more of an ADHD thing. Finally went to get tested for learning disabilities a few years ago and I got diagnosed with ADHD-C and Dysgraphia. Teachers normally give me typed notes now instead of making me write them down like the rest of the class. It helps a bunch. They'll also let me use a computer to type instead of writing something in a test and things like that.
i have dysgraphia and since 5th grade i have been able to use a computer or iPad to wright. it has been super helpful but since i now live in south Carolina i often have trouble with teachers that dont think learning disabilities are a thing not letting me use a computer and it kinda sucks especially when the school district simply does not care. i am sooo happy to be going to college soon.
I think I have this, I still want to rewrite and rewrite papers over again to get them perfect but no matter what I always mess up with capital letters mixed and very bad spatial awareness compact and spaced words.It sucks to rewrite too when your hand cramps. computers are a god send! Do most schools know about this today?
So I'm old and I had this,I wasn't offered OT I was told to "apply"myself or focus and try harder.Having a high IQ didn't help,I was just called lazy.Then my oldest was diagnosed with it and I asked if I could take the test,sure enough I was officaly diagnosed about 25 years too late.Happy ending however my son had a great lady for OT,who fought for him even when he was in high school,because of her he was allowed a scribe for the essay portions of tests,including his SAT and AP exams.That would have been nice,instead I got points off for neatness or lack thereof.Thank God he's the only one out of my kids who inherited it.I still occasionally have to open lids for himeven tho he can bench press me now,it really does a number on your grip ability .
I had to watch this three times, I honestly couldn't stop reading the subtitles which are kinda hilarious. The actual video content is super helpful, I had no idea about dysgraphia until recently.
As someone that was diagnosed at age 10 (17 now), the first thing that jumped out at me from this vid was that I can’t hold a pencil the “right” way. Damn thing falls out of my hand when I try. Also I have no idea where to start where writing and have had teachers ask me what I wrote because they can’t read it.
I just learnt this exists, while searching if there is any connection between bad handwriting and ADHD. I struggled with handwriting a lot even though I’ve always been advanced with reading. I am good at talking about topics and any sort of presentation or discussion has been easy and fluid for me, but trying to write on a topic was always extremely difficult, I’d always end up doing a lot worse on essays and written tests than in-class stuff. My teachers always called me lazy for being advanced in everything besides handwriting, blaming me for not wanting to do better in this one area. Basically I’m really happy to find out this existed. I no longer feel crazy for struggling oddly in this one area.
I have always had horrible handwriting, and my educational therapist determined that I have a weak pincer reflex (pinching with your thumb and index finger). I have always written with my pencil between my middle and ring finger, and my hands always hurt after a while, so now I know why! I have also realized that I have both a short thumb and a short index finger, so that may affect it as well. She gave me a special pencil grip that has places to specifically put your thumb and index finger, and I’m working on the proper pencil, grip, which helps. But with the shape of my hand I don’t know if I will ever have easy nice writing!
How does dysgraphia get noticed, get tested or even diagnosed? I have LD with numbers, one of my children has dyslexia, and the other has always had issues with writing throughout academic career although was not determined to have either condition yet qualified for occupational, speech and other therapy early on and then LD/ IEP/CSE thereafter.
I have a student in my home school school with dysgraphia. I have found that he used to write left handed, but his public school teacher told him to write with his right only. Could this be a problem for him too as he was probably supposed to be a lefty? Also, what are some ideas on how to help him spell?
I can’t write creatively, I can’t draw any type of perspective, and my handwriting has not changed since the first grade....would you say I have dysgraphia???
I know I had dysgraphia from childhood but unfortunately we didn’t even have psychologist at that time in Lesotho where I grew up. Everyone one of the teachers used to think I did it intentionally since I was very brilliant. My daughter also have the this condition. Can it have anything with being left-handed, since both of us are left- handed?
While I am left handed, there has been no correlation between the hand that you write with. After all, you have to think about places like Asia (East Asia Asia mainly), where they start end of the page and go in with their writing. Who do you think would supposedly smudge worse?! Also, the area of the brain that this effects as this is a (creative) language, expressive disorder is the left side where all creative functions occur and fine motor and physical are more right brain, like all other non-creative and more structural tasks. Left half of brain controls the right side of the body and the right side of the brain the left of the body.
Those with NVLD may have dysgraphia because of the motor difficulties. When I handwrite with a writing utensil my hand easily gets fatigued. I also leave out out words when I'm writing and I never know where to start.
I work with preschoolers and I wonder if they would also have a hard time with all fine motor activities like cutting? I've seen these symptoms but in a child that can cut way beyond his peers....
I know you commented 7 years ago but today I discovered dysgraphia is a thing, and I have almost all the symptoms. But I want to say you may have a point, when I was a child I was horrible at cutting things I tried so hard but I always messed up even if there was a line, so maybe it is related :(
I have been diagnosed with ADHD for a long time, and I remember as a kid, I got tested for dyslexia and dysgraphia because I insisted that I had dysgraphia. The results came back negative, but I'm still absolutely sure I have it. I had terrible handwriting and remember having a hard time getting my thoughts onto paper. I also could never learn cursive. Also, my teachers would always get mad at me for holding my pencil wrong.
Tho i have my fair share of struggles i am so glad for my amazing friends, the one who sits besides me took her time to change her position and way of writing just so i can copy her notes. I will forever be grateful
Seeing this checked so many boxes for me. The weird thing was that I could do really fine work, but continuous movement like drawing round closed circles or straight lines was really difficult. I didn’t realise how bad I was till I saw my preschool daughter draw rows of perfectly round O’s, something I’ve never been able to do.
Can dysgraphia affect other tasks that require motor skills, like for instance the ability to play a musical instrument or draw artworks from imagination?
It certainly can. Generally, it doesn't make artwork any more difficult, in fact many dysgraphic people are very artistic. However, it can make playing an instrument more difficult, especially if it's caused by a motor problem. That's not to say it's impossible though. In fact, it probably will result in some writing improvement.
It was queries by OT that I may have dysgraphia but I was never formally diagnosed. My instrument playing and art skills are definitely affected. That said, I achieved a high standard in violin and had a post grade 8 diploma before even finishing school and performed in orchestras with people who are now becoming professionals of note. I always tired more easily, I could never train my fingers to move as fast as other people and I could never play perfectly with the exact timbre and polish I was aiming for but I was very good in other areas which meant my playing could reach a high level and overall sound decent enough. The OT was amazed, saying given my fine motor deficits, this should not be physically possible but it was. My brother who is diagnosed with dysgraphia has much messier handwriting than me but is good at cartooning whereas I'm not. So yes it affects these areas but doesn't dictate all the skills in these areas so you can be severely affected in some ways and brilliant or average or mild in other ways so can overall appear average, above average or even brilliant.
I never smoked, because I was clumsy holding a cigarette, and looked like an idiot. plus, I never liked the damn things. I am being a bit goofy, though, this is VERY true! I am, however, quite athletic; and can dance, so my gross motor skills are just fine... My handwriting has always been horrible; and I abhor, signing my name while someone is looking on.
I’ve always struggled with slow, unclean, painful, and wasteful writing my whole life. I’m pretty sure I have this (especially since I have ADHD and I’ve heard that often comes with disabilities such as this), so hopefully I can do something about that soon.
Thank you for posting, I have had issues writing and teaching with this problem. I didn’t know that writing in cursive could help, so you taught me something new today that will hopefully help me quite a lot.
i had difficulties with writing on paper through all my life, i repeated words, i oversimplify letters to the point they all look the same, etc. i had teachers who shamed me or gave me worse grades, regardless of the contents of my work. i refused to write notes during classes, i had to concentrate too hard on writing and couldn't pay attention, i was very slow with it too. i remember crying in frustration when i was forced to copy texts, ripping paper etc. my hands hurt when i write longer texts. i had trouble with cursive - i still do, i only write in printed letters, even my signature. i just doodled during classes and hoped teachers would mistake it for note taking, it helped to concentrate on the material, but was reprimanded for that too. what changed my relationship with writing was university. i couldn't rely on books or memory alone, and it took me 3 years (and a failed major) to experiment with note taking. i type very fast, so i type notes on my phone or laptop often, sometimes i still get shamed for it because people mistake it for texting and find it disrespectful. i use all lowercase, other than accidental uppercases in handwriting too (unless it has to be presentable). i also only use felt tip pens or really thick pens (they come scented and in multiple colors!!!) and unlined notebooks. i took up calligraphy for a while, so i have a writing style that's slower and more presentable, and my "natural" one. with adjustments, now i write during every lecture. i have nice notes and people say they look pretty, even! jumbo markers look a bit goofy in a university setting but now writing notes even helps me concentrate! i wish people stopped forcing pens and lined paper on everyone. i don't really write in lines anymore, it's more like a doodle-y, freehanded compilation of lists or some sentences. does anyone else have trouble writing in all uppercase by hand as well? it's slow and very painful, and it's kinda the only part where i am unable to mask my deficits. they all turn out to be different sizes, styles, and get gradually smaller and smaller.
I'm a violinist and a violin builder/repairer. I have also done board level computer repair and pocket watches. My hand writing is atrocious and barely readable. Every letter comes out different and the lines are all crooked. I also can't draw but I can carve wood sculptures. I was treated poorly in school and diagnosed with autism as an adult.
What if a person only seems to have the language processing aspect of dysgraphia? Do they still have dysgraphia? The person I know would spend hours thinking about writing but would never actually do any writing/typing.
My son who is 16yo has the problem of putting thoughts onto paper. What I got him to do is choose a topic of conversation. The topic we spoke about was about his job working at McDonalds. He cooks the burgers and toasts the hamburger buns. I asked him to tell me about the toaster. So we decided to write a paragraph about how the toaster. I got my son to write key words in the middle of a scrap bit of paper. The key words he told me were toaster, automated, 20 seconds, 'don't burn burns'. I asked him to fill in the gaps of these key words to make sentences. The sentence is, "To prevent the buns from burning in the toaster, the toaster is automated to eject the buns at precisely 20 seconds". Obviously his first attempt at the sentence wasn't perfect but we edited it and made changes to polish it up. As I said, throw all the key words in the middle of a scrap bit of paper and fill in the blanks. Hope this helps.
Computer word processing changed everything for me. But too often you aren't allowed to use one. College entrance essays, for example. Thank god I was able to carry my laptop with me in grad school! I suppose some might do better at cursive, and that is how I was taught in grade school, but I discovered that I could be much neater if I printed. It just takes longer. My daily writing is something of a hybrid, but my notes are all over the place. I start thinking I'm going to be organized but that flies out the door quickly. I wish I knew what was wrong with me! Hindsight is now 20/20.
Just a heads up... You might want to check the subtitles. I was trying to watch this while a bit of back ground noise so read the subtitles and there were loads of discrepancies.
TH-cam subtitles aren't the most accurate in the best of cases. I think there are some background noises in the video anyways, so that'll mess up the subtitles.
Made a great friend recently who has been diagnosed with dysgraphia since he was a kid (we're in college). He's incredibly smart and I love talking to him, but he often complains how hard he had it with art class and writing things down. I'm happy he lives in an age where digital technologies (along with all the counseling and special classes) allow him to thrive in a writing-heavy course even though he has dysgraphia. It also seems he has some sort of dyscalculia? I'm not sure, but he apparently has been trying to figure out the 24-hour clock his entire life and still hasn't managed to do it (we live in Brazil where this is the default clock), so we always have to either "translate" into AM-PM to him or give him a minute to count in his fingers. I've been worrying about college not giving proper accommodations to him later on (he is a freshman, I'm three years older) so I'm researching a bit on the condition so I can help guide him. Thanks for the informative vid.
Can some one be both dyslexic and dysgraphic? I am dyslixic but have a lot of these problems. would this be just more dyslixic stuff or would it be dysgraphiea?
Yes, I knew a woman with dyscalculia AND dyslexia and I was like I have dysgraphia, Aspergers, ADD, SLIGHT OCD and my ODD has dumbed itself down to which part of the brain is going to work this second!?! 8 HOURS LATER!?! ... IMAGINE THE ODD COUPLE SHE AND I WOULD HAVE MADE!?! 🤣
I'm AuDHD, often struggled with backwards letters but was never told why. I egerly picked up cursive as soon as I was taught as it solved some problems, but writing always physically hurt. I still bump into problems with people insisting I write physical notes during training while in work settings, it's exhaustuve
I am now convinced I had this whe I was in school. However I had help from some wonderfull special educatuin teachers who worked with me through my 7th grade year to make the problems less noticable. And they did.
Can dysgraphia be for example, writing that starts off neat but by the bottom of the page writing becomes less clear. Also when you talk about writing fatigue is that complaining the pen hurts? Can this just be symptoms of dyslexia? Is there a clear difference?
I always wondered why I was so tired after my assignments, I have just been diagnosed with this a month ago, having it my entire life... thankfully school is making accomodations for me with technology and special pens. I have dysgraphia and a dyscalculia disorder. University is hell for me.
So, from reading some books I have noticed some similarities with me and the main characters. They have ADHD and dyslexia. I don't seem to have dyslexia but ADHD maybe. None of this has been proven. Tonight mum and I were talking and i love random facts. I told her Albert Einstein was dyslexic which she said is that why he was so god at maths? I said I think I have the opposite of dyslexia and mum said you mean dyscalculia? I say whhhhhhhhaaaaaaat?! She said it's almost exactly like dyslexia but for maths. You know that dyslexia is language but dyscalculia is numbers.This would make sense as I am good at math but I am VERY slow and have to use my fingers or calculator to keep track of what I am doing. Then she said and you know something else? People with dyscalculia also often have dysgraphia as well which is uneat handwriting. I have very messy handwriting. My younger sibling in year FOUR has neater writing than me(mind you he has OCD and anxiety and has been diagnosed) but still!
When I was 7 circa 1974 I was told I had ADHD and given Ritalin so my inability to write was attributed to lack of attention and laziness. Circa 1980 I was told I had Graphic Dyslexia. I only heard it called Dysgraphia a few years ago. In the 70s and 80's it was an issue but post-2000 the only time it comes up is when the Doctor's office gives me forms to fill out. I would have my wife or my daughter do it . The other time is when I get the check at a restaurant or need to write a bank check. My wife does those things for me.
Idn i might have this because i was diagnosed with adhd and dyslexia so i might have this too but they didnt test me for this but everithing that he said sounds like me and allsow in my country we allways write cursive so that helps a bit but it still does look prety bad but i can write realy good but it takes like 1 minute for two sentances
I was diagnosed as dysgraphic when I was 12yo in the eighties. I saw a catholic nun/tutor that greatly helped me improve legibility and speed of handwriting through repetitive letter and shape exercises(still slow but tremendously faster with less fatigue, I also now have some of the best print writing that I've ever seen). I continued to do terrible in school, and none of my teachers ever recognized that it was a disability even with the diagnosis from a neurologist. Many of my high school classes would grade you by your notebook, some teachers as much as 25% of my final grade. I absolutely could not take notes as it would take me out of learning concentration, but, I can listen to a lecture and have almost perfect recall. I always liked computers and gaming, and would play a lot throughout my life, as I still do. I definitely have always struggled with multiplayer games(since the days Pong). I didn't ever think about linking the dysgraphia and gaming until the multiplayer first person shooting games became popular. It was then that I realized what a disadvantage I had. I seem to have neurologically built in "lag". I am always off timing against another human even if they are a novice to the game. I do pretty well against computer generated characters, but cannot compete with other people 95% of the time, their reaction time is far too fast for me. I find it interesting as a side note that I have incredibly fast reflexes, such as catching dropped or falling items. The dysgraphia for me seems to affect a lag between thought and directed action but not so much with impulse and reflex. I continue to game but tend to avoid high speed player versus player games. I also let my gaming friends know that I have a disability and how it works if they insist on my joining in. They've been pretty understanding in most cases.
I was diagnosed at 5 years old and I still get told to learn how to write or made fun of for my writing skills. I am almost 20 now and I have not been able to concour my self esteem when I have to write something
So I'm dysgraphic (looking for explanation vids because I'm tired of explaining to others) when he talks about hang ups putting things into words I couldnt explain to docs why I couldn't write things but it was my very psych eval that diagnosed me that actually made me later realise why I cant put things into words I've my whole life called it writer's block but what's happening is that I think in two ways verbal thoughts an non verbal non pictorial intuitive thoughts and when I cant write it's because I'm having an intuitive nonverbal thought that I cannot convert into words I'd also like to add the cursive thing is hit or miss because I cannot read and the best way I can describe it is to look at a language you cant read like Arabic or sanskrit that's how cursive looks to me even if I wrote it lol
I never had problem with writing or grammar in school life but now I am finding it hard…using words, remembering words, punctuation and grammar. I am an adult and university graduate. Can it be diagnosed now?
I think I have dysgraphia my hand and fingers get stiff when writing anything and sometimes I can’t even read what I just wrote it is like my hand wants to write as fast as it can without caring how it looks.
I have dysgraphia and grew up in the 70snwhen cursive Was the only writing style. Was even diagnosed when I was10 but they knew nothing of it. Cursive was a curse, it’s possible to space out the words really wide even in cursive also I had the inverted circles aspect of it so it was really hard getting out of vowels and I kept going around and making thick letters and then my hand would hurt
I was diagnosed with Dyslexia when I was 7 but they said "She's dyslexic but she main issue is her hand writing" They didn't know what Dysgraphia was. My mom knew there was something else but didn't know what so she did her research and read about dysgraphia and was like "This is it." But I was never professionally diagnosed, I'm in college now do you think I should be professionally diagnosed?
What voice to print software is recommended. Trying to get it added to my son's IEP, but get mixed reviews about them so trying to narrow it down. THANK YOU!
+Amy Slazyk -- Hi Amy my son has dysgraphia and I have found the apps on the iPhone a great resource. On the iPhone you can download pages it is a great voice to text app -- as dragon naturally speaking would not pick up what he was saying due to a speech impediment. For organising work --ie planning to write -- I downloaded the inspiration app ---- your child might also benefit from a planner ( especially high school)
NCLD has developed the LD Checklist: Recognize & Respond tool to help spot the potential signs of LD. Take the first step here: ncld.co/LDRR. #Check4LD
That link doesn't work anymore just FYI
Just spent the last 18 year being told “ just write neat” “ try harder to write” then finding out this disorder exists.... wow
Yeah, when I was diognosed in year 9 I was embarrassed but I quickly found it really liberating
Same I had three people training me to write as I’if I did not know
Exactly the same for me
Im 27 my dude, and I've just learned about dysgraphia! I've had all sorts of learning plans, and occupational therapy and no one could place it through the public school system and it is so liberating to know I'm not inherently broken
Same…
25 years ago I was going to be held back at school because no teacher could read my handwriting so could not mark my work. My art teacher suggested caligraphy lessons
which I then undertook for 2 years. This made the difference for me as I was retaught from scratch how to form and shape each letter by hand and it was the best thing I could have ever done to change my situation, I hope it will work for others like myself.
This is amazing! Did you also have problems with spelling words? Or was it just your handwriting not being legible?
I did the same and was able to achieve legible handwriting so long as I do not write too quickly, but I still suffer from what I believe to be other symptoms of my dysgraphia such as a severely reduced ability to express myself in written form (when compared to my verbal acuity), a pronounced tendency to make spelling mistakes or use punctuation incorrectly, difficulty in understanding when to end sentences or paragraphs, (as this comment illustrates) and an emotional aversion to communicating in the written word.
I also believe I am not able to interoperate visual stimuli as quickly as others, it takes me a just bit longer to understand what is going on in an image or in a video. Idk if this is also a symptom of dysgraphia or my multiple concussions.
@@Shoutinthewind you just described my 15 yrs old son. Luckily, we live in NYC and kids in public schools get a lot of support services, but many just want to move kids on to tech.... typing... and forget handwriting.
Feeling a little sad but also relived to find this disorder exists. I struggled in school my whole life. I could have been a completely different person as an adult if I had know this about myself then.
After years of being out of school (had to drop out because of ridicule because of my writing inability), I finally figured out that I wasn't stupid. I have dysgraphia. My teachers use to always make fun of me and say things like "You need to go back to 6th grade and re-take spelling." and crap like that. I'm half-way tempted to go back and show them this video.
This must be the challenge one of my current students has. She is only the second one I have worked with during my 10 years teaching college physics and chemistry. I noticed the students verbally answering correctly the questions I ask during lecture but then not answering correctly similar questions on written tests. The difference between their spoken and written answers is staggering. I gave these two students oral exams instead of written ones. It is hard sometimes though to adapt the material ... today I had my current student build the molecules using a model kit instead of trying to draw them ... this worked and we will do more of it. I am happy to say the previous student made it through 4 semesters of physics with me and my current student just passed her Organic Chemistry final exam today (this is her third semester of chemistry with me, she has one more to go). I will be checking your website for more ideas on how to make my science classes equitable.
You are a great teacher for doing that. Thank you.
Despite the covid-spring jolt to online, my student passed with high marks her fourth and final semester of chemistry, O-Chem II, lecture and lab. YAY!! :-). It is seeing a student be so successful that makes teaching worthwhile.
I cant explain how amazing that makes you, you didnt even need a diagnosis to start making accommodations, my teachers wouldn’t help even after getting a diagnosis
@@hithere7080 Gosh, I am sorry to hear this. If your learning needs are not being accommodated, you should press the issue all the way up the chain of command at your school, dean, VP, even college president if needed, and if still not being met, consider making a public comment at a school board meeting,. There is so much talk about inclusive practices and environments in teaching, and yet when it comes to people who need a little something different, like an oral exam instead of a written one, sometimes that inclusion talk is just talk. 😞 I hope and pray you will be able to find faculty who will recognize and value your unique perspective and all the contributions you can make to the class. e.g. the O-Chem student I mentioned is enormously gifted and talented with languages and with giving presentations. She speaks 11 languages, and would talk with all her classmates in their own first language. And when groups had to give presentations, she rocked it! and her help was sought after by her classmates, and she generously helped them. I pray you will find this acceptance and appreciation. Hang in there, stay strong, persevere. 🙂 Best wishes!
Thank you for this video! My son has been struggling with this for years and I finally can understand what it going on! When I showed him this video he cried because he said, "Finally, someone understands what I'm saying!" He has told his teachers over and over that he can't help writing "sloppy" or he doesn't know how to get started on an essay. This is a great starting point for us to get him some help! I am so thankful!
I hope your school has access to a good OT,it was a godsend for my oldest son.I unfortunately had to suffer thru what your son is dealing with all thru untill college,and I swore I'd never let it happen to my kid.So good luck to you and and small bit of knowledge,my son is 22 now can bench press me and I still have to help him with lids and caps occasionally.Let your boy know he's not alone and it's ok if he needs help with opening stuff,most dysgraphics have high IQs [that doctors have bad writing stereotype came from somewhere] and that beats being able to open jars everyday.
Yeah, I have dysgraphia and I can attest that it’s the starting on an essay that is the fucking worst. I am also almost incapable of creative writing because of this as well.
All the other aspects are a lot easier to work on than this.
You should talk to a speech pathologist. It really helped me and got me through year 12 English the is year and brought my language skills up to acceptable standards when I was younger
I have dysgraphia, I found that writing in cursive helps a lot with spacing, it doesn't fix a lot of issues like page planning but it makes things more intelligible, typing is still the best solution out there.
College board needs to watch this. Needs to be easier to get accommodations
Omg YES. I got a 1350 on my sat because I omitted around 20 questions because I couldn't finish time because I have dysgraphia. I KNOW I can do better, I'm so mad
PLEASE SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK
I have this but it was diagnosed as visual/spatial defects. My teachers when I was a kid never understood me every time I complained of having a hand cramp from writing. Well, what they don't realize is that it is more than a cramp, it was painful. And I got lower scores on my essays until my junior year of high school when my English teacher understood what I was going through and wrote exactly what I needed to write. I've since improved with the language processing aspect and I owe it to her. I still struggle with fine motor in writing and other areas too along with visual and spatial as well.
I hate this, it makes school miserable for me.. I get sick of writing two page papers and only getting back an F with a note saying, "Not legible." It isn't fair. At least I'm a junior and almost done with HS.
In the 80s I use to get hit by teachers because of it
Actually its disability they have to accommodate you . By allowing typed work etc .I have it .also double spacing .
@@leiwolf27 that’s terrible. I’m glad things are different now.
I have an 11 year old . He hates writing. To my surprise not all teachers are educated to recognize the signs. He just entered middle school and they are already attributing his lack of writing interest to him “ choosing “ not to do the work. I am just finding out about this dysgraphia term and I feel angry that I didn’t had the information to advocate for my son. But better now than never !
I’m sorry for those who have been punished for this learning disability - it should be treated as such! They better watch out bc mama bear is coming to the rescue !
So sad 😪 u should have has an iep and been able to type and use auto text.
I was diagnosed with dysgraphia when I was young child and I still have it and these skills still help me throw my educational career
You will always have dysgraphia. No learning disability ever goes away. You just learn to live with it.
I also have a son with dysgraphia. He's a fifth grader now and still struggling writing which lead him to sore hands. Every school year I always see to it that all his teachers know his case so they'll give consideration to him.
How do we help them? My son is struggling so bad !!!
I have dysgrapgia and I can't keep up with my class due to all the notes in grade 8 but I have found that using script writing really helps with writing and learning a language is almost impossible. But to those who have this disability keep on fighting and you will eventually make it to the end with great success
South African outriders learn cursive then write in it. It has helped me so much
Thank you! I have a 3rd grader who is struggling with writing. This might be what he has. He has all the key signs.
WHAT DID U DO
Please don`t give up.I battled through high school,in those day they didn't even consider that someone could be dyslexic let alone have dysgraphia. Today,there is more awareness,please go and see a school councillor .Seek help now. There are methods and systems in place now.I understand and feel your pain .Be brave ,be courageous , stand up for yourself and you and your future will be brighter.You definitely can do it.Martin New Zealand.
i just recently learned about this disorder and i strongly identify with it. i'm going to get tested soon.
And, was it positive?
yes sir he was tested positive for hiv
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My son is very dysgraphic. I understand your frustration. You should consider typing your papers for school. One thing I have my son do is separate the writing process from the creative process. He will record what he wants to say one day then listen to it and type it on another day. He tends to dummy down his writing if these processes are not separated. Good luck. I know it is difficult.
A student with dysgraphia might be helped by learning the old Palmer method of handwriting. You don't move the hand at all to write, you move your entire arm. This used to be the standard way to teach handwriting in older generations that used dip ink pens. It avoids using the fine motor muscles in the hand that are contributing to the dysgraphia problem.
Oooo this is how I get my best handwriting. It makes it harder to sit in a conventional desk
I work in the tech field, I was once told that every time I write that it was a slap in the face to the education system. I've had it all my life and just recently diagnosed with it...I just always thought I was being lazy, but the fatigue is dead on. However I can read my own handwriting I just call it "code".
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@@TheMechanicalGirl999 The "code " thing is spot on for me thanks u made my day really made me lmao
Found out about dysgraphia recently, I never understood why it takes so long for me to write. I realise now why I never finish any exam or in-class essay on time while everyone else does. Glad I am not alone in this.
I'm disgraphic, and I wonder why it's not that known to many people. My dysgraphia makes alomst everything difficult when it comes to writing. It takes me forever to write a little story, and it takes me a little longer to write a tiny note. In almost everything I write, theres typos. I knew for sure I was going to fail the writing test I took in the 7th grade, now I have to go to the 8th grade with writing assistance.
I hope you are doing well. I am in my 60's. Forget about typos. THat is what editors are for. I did not write essays until I turned 30. I have only recently felt comfortable about writing. The paragraph above says that you can and should write.
It is very nice that LD.org does reply, it is as if you really do understand just how much thought process it takes before the actual step is taken, especially in older people that are use to hiding from the exposure.
I have dysgraphia and my one S.S teacher whenever I tried to turn in writing pieces the she couldn’t read she would ask me to read them. I couldn’t read them and so she had me sit in the front of the class not next to my friends but in front of her desk and told me when I needed to spell a word that I couldn’t spell to ask and she would help. Or I was allowed In her class to search the word on google. I was allowed extra time so I could write in cursive and then my teacher could read my writing. She was a strictish teacher and really helped my grade so teachers could read my writing and I could read it.
I am dysgraphic and he described me perfectly except I write all of my letters backwards. That is the biggest symptoms of dysgraphia that was not mentioned. Cursive help but I find I get more tired that way. This was a great video
yeh i mean my cursive is more legible but it tires me out quick man
I've been living with this disability for all my life. I was always a better talker than writer because of this.
I have this and I’m 52. It never goes away!
I was diagnosed with dysgraphia when I was 5 and it feels comfortable when I grip pencils , also if you feel like you need something better on your pencil grip I recommend surgu so you can make a custom grip with how you prefer it , also I normally switch to cursive during writing in a times new roman like font
I have dysgraphia. Some of the things that I'll do when writing include:
-Mixing up similar letters, like b, d, q, p, c, a, and g. Like I'll try to write the letter g and I'll inadvertently add the stem of a d to it. Or sometimes I'll just write a b instead of a d.
-Gripping the pencil way too hard and pushing down too hard on the paper. I prefer to use pens because they usually have the rubber grip and they don't have as much friction and glide easier on the paper when you try to write. They also don't break unlike pencil leads.
-Within the lines, my sentences will often sway between the bottom and the top, like a ~.
-Spacing between words is also pretty bad and varies a lot. Other times, I'll think I have enough space to write a word at the end of a line, but irl there's no way it would fit and I always end up going downwards in order to fit the word.
-My handwriting is pretty bad and most people aren't actually able to read it unless they're me or are a teacher. Pretty much nobody else can read it.
-Literally never have ideas on what to write and it takes me ages to get going, although that might be more of an ADHD thing.
Finally went to get tested for learning disabilities a few years ago and I got diagnosed with ADHD-C and Dysgraphia. Teachers normally give me typed notes now instead of making me write them down like the rest of the class. It helps a bunch. They'll also let me use a computer to type instead of writing something in a test and things like that.
i have dysgraphia and since 5th grade i have been able to use a computer or iPad to wright. it has been super helpful but since i now live in south Carolina i often have trouble with teachers that dont think learning disabilities are a thing not letting me use a computer and it kinda sucks especially when the school district simply does not care. i am sooo happy to be going to college soon.
as a person with Dysgraphia just glad I am not the only one who has this problem
As a person with dysgraphia I wish I never had this I wish I was normal just like everyone else 😔
I think I have this, I still want to rewrite and rewrite papers over again to get them perfect but no matter what I always mess up with capital letters mixed and very bad spatial awareness compact and spaced words.It sucks to rewrite too when your hand cramps. computers are a god send! Do most schools know about this today?
Such an amazing lecture... thank you... Studying learning disability and dysgraphia as a topic was tough... this made it easy
So I'm old and I had this,I wasn't offered OT I was told to "apply"myself or focus and try harder.Having a high IQ didn't help,I was just called lazy.Then my oldest was diagnosed with it and I asked if I could take the test,sure enough I was officaly diagnosed about 25 years too late.Happy ending however my son had a great lady for OT,who fought for him even when he was in high school,because of her he was allowed a scribe for the essay portions of tests,including his SAT and AP exams.That would have been nice,instead I got points off for neatness or lack thereof.Thank God he's the only one out of my kids who inherited it.I still occasionally have to open lids for himeven tho he can bench press me now,it really does a number on your grip ability .
I had to watch this three times, I honestly couldn't stop reading the subtitles which are kinda hilarious. The actual video content is super helpful, I had no idea about dysgraphia until recently.
I fit all the hallmarks. Nice to know. Wish I knew this back in school.
So glad to see this. I suffered from is all my life. Word processors saved my life
I am LIVING for the auto-subtitle interpretations of Dysgraphia. This graph yes I wanted. Virtual Scrappy 30.
As someone that was diagnosed at age 10 (17 now), the first thing that jumped out at me from this vid was that I can’t hold a pencil the “right” way. Damn thing falls out of my hand when I try.
Also I have no idea where to start where writing and have had teachers ask me what I wrote because they can’t read it.
This sounds like my childhood. I had alot of this symptoms when I was in school, back in the 80's and 90's.
I just learnt this exists, while searching if there is any connection between bad handwriting and ADHD. I struggled with handwriting a lot even though I’ve always been advanced with reading. I am good at talking about topics and any sort of presentation or discussion has been easy and fluid for me, but trying to write on a topic was always extremely difficult, I’d always end up doing a lot worse on essays and written tests than in-class stuff. My teachers always called me lazy for being advanced in everything besides handwriting, blaming me for not wanting to do better in this one area.
Basically I’m really happy to find out this existed. I no longer feel crazy for struggling oddly in this one area.
I have always had horrible handwriting, and my educational therapist determined that I have a weak pincer reflex (pinching with your thumb and index finger). I have always written with my pencil between my middle and ring finger, and my hands always hurt after a while, so now I know why! I have also realized that I have both a short thumb and a short index finger, so that may affect it as well. She gave me a special pencil grip that has places to specifically put your thumb and index finger, and I’m working on the proper pencil, grip, which helps. But with the shape of my hand I don’t know if I will ever have easy nice writing!
How does dysgraphia get noticed, get tested or even diagnosed? I have LD with numbers, one of my children has dyslexia, and the other has always had issues with writing throughout academic career although was not determined to have either condition yet qualified for occupational, speech and other therapy early on and then LD/ IEP/CSE thereafter.
I have a student in my home school school with dysgraphia. I have found that he used to write left handed, but his public school teacher told him to write with his right only. Could this be a problem for him too as he was probably supposed to be a lefty? Also, what are some ideas on how to help him spell?
FunkDisLiz77 I write left and I think there's more of a risk for leftys.
I can’t write creatively, I can’t draw any type of perspective, and my handwriting has not changed since the first grade....would you say I have dysgraphia???
I know I had dysgraphia from childhood but unfortunately we didn’t even have psychologist at that time in Lesotho where I grew up. Everyone one of the teachers used to think I did it intentionally since I was very brilliant. My daughter also have the this condition. Can it have anything with being left-handed, since both of us are left- handed?
While I am left handed, there has been no correlation between the hand that you write with. After all, you have to think about places like Asia (East Asia Asia mainly), where they start end of the page and go in with their writing. Who do you think would supposedly smudge worse?! Also, the area of the brain that this effects as this is a (creative) language, expressive disorder is the left side where all creative functions occur and fine motor and physical are more right brain, like all other non-creative and more structural tasks. Left half of brain controls the right side of the body and the right side of the brain the left of the body.
Lefty's are a rarity but it has nothing to do with this, unfortunate!
Those with NVLD may have dysgraphia because of the motor difficulties. When I handwrite with a writing utensil my hand easily gets fatigued. I also leave out out words when I'm writing and I never know where to start.
I started doing bullet journaling and it helped.to train on my handwriting,grip and spacing out the text better
I work with preschoolers and I wonder if they would also have a hard time with all fine motor activities like cutting? I've seen these symptoms but in a child that can cut way beyond his peers....
I know you commented 7 years ago but today I discovered dysgraphia is a thing, and I have almost all the symptoms. But I want to say you may have a point, when I was a child I was horrible at cutting things I tried so hard but I always messed up even if there was a line, so maybe it is related :(
yes you can have both, other common issues are cross dominance, and over reliance on sight for complex tasks (such as writing, and trying knots)
would of been nice to know this 5 years ago
Same
I have been diagnosed with ADHD for a long time, and I remember as a kid, I got tested for dyslexia and dysgraphia because I insisted that I had dysgraphia. The results came back negative, but I'm still absolutely sure I have it. I had terrible handwriting and remember having a hard time getting my thoughts onto paper. I also could never learn cursive. Also, my teachers would always get mad at me for holding my pencil wrong.
You could very well have it. My son saw 4 therapist before proper diagnosis
what about raddial nerve compromise
Tho i have my fair share of struggles i am so glad for my amazing friends, the one who sits besides me took her time to change her position and way of writing just so i can copy her notes. I will forever be grateful
Seeing this checked so many boxes for me. The weird thing was that I could do really fine work, but continuous movement like drawing round closed circles or straight lines was really difficult. I didn’t realise how bad I was till I saw my preschool daughter draw rows of perfectly round O’s, something I’ve never been able to do.
Can dysgraphia affect other tasks that require motor skills, like for instance the ability to play a musical instrument or draw artworks from imagination?
It certainly can. Generally, it doesn't make artwork any more difficult, in fact many dysgraphic people are very artistic. However, it can make playing an instrument more difficult, especially if it's caused by a motor problem. That's not to say it's impossible though. In fact, it probably will result in some writing improvement.
It was queries by OT that I may have dysgraphia but I was never formally diagnosed.
My instrument playing and art skills are definitely affected. That said, I achieved a high standard in violin and had a post grade 8 diploma before even finishing school and performed in orchestras with people who are now becoming professionals of note. I always tired more easily, I could never train my fingers to move as fast as other people and I could never play perfectly with the exact timbre and polish I was aiming for but I was very good in other areas which meant my playing could reach a high level and overall sound decent enough. The OT was amazed, saying given my fine motor deficits, this should not be physically possible but it was.
My brother who is diagnosed with dysgraphia has much messier handwriting than me but is good at cartooning whereas I'm not.
So yes it affects these areas but doesn't dictate all the skills in these areas so you can be severely affected in some ways and brilliant or average or mild in other ways so can overall appear average, above average or even brilliant.
I never smoked, because I was clumsy holding a cigarette, and looked like an idiot. plus, I never liked the damn things. I am being a bit goofy, though, this is VERY true! I am, however, quite athletic; and can dance, so my gross motor skills are just fine... My handwriting has always been horrible; and I abhor, signing my name while someone is looking on.
I’ve always struggled with slow, unclean, painful, and wasteful writing my whole life. I’m pretty sure I have this (especially since I have ADHD and I’ve heard that often comes with disabilities such as this), so hopefully I can do something about that soon.
Thank you for posting, I have had issues writing and teaching with this problem. I didn’t know that writing in cursive could help, so you taught me something new today that will hopefully help me quite a lot.
I have dysgraphia any more things that you can tell me about
i had difficulties with writing on paper through all my life, i repeated words, i oversimplify letters to the point they all look the same, etc. i had teachers who shamed me or gave me worse grades, regardless of the contents of my work. i refused to write notes during classes, i had to concentrate too hard on writing and couldn't pay attention, i was very slow with it too. i remember crying in frustration when i was forced to copy texts, ripping paper etc. my hands hurt when i write longer texts. i had trouble with cursive - i still do, i only write in printed letters, even my signature. i just doodled during classes and hoped teachers would mistake it for note taking, it helped to concentrate on the material, but was reprimanded for that too.
what changed my relationship with writing was university. i couldn't rely on books or memory alone, and it took me 3 years (and a failed major) to experiment with note taking.
i type very fast, so i type notes on my phone or laptop often, sometimes i still get shamed for it because people mistake it for texting and find it disrespectful. i use all lowercase, other than accidental uppercases in handwriting too (unless it has to be presentable). i also only use felt tip pens or really thick pens (they come scented and in multiple colors!!!) and unlined notebooks. i took up calligraphy for a while, so i have a writing style that's slower and more presentable, and my "natural" one. with adjustments, now i write during every lecture. i have nice notes and people say they look pretty, even! jumbo markers look a bit goofy in a university setting but now writing notes even helps me concentrate! i wish people stopped forcing pens and lined paper on everyone. i don't really write in lines anymore, it's more like a doodle-y, freehanded compilation of lists or some sentences.
does anyone else have trouble writing in all uppercase by hand as well? it's slow and very painful, and it's kinda the only part where i am unable to mask my deficits. they all turn out to be different sizes, styles, and get gradually smaller and smaller.
I'm a violinist and a violin builder/repairer. I have also done board level computer repair and pocket watches. My hand writing is atrocious and barely readable. Every letter comes out different and the lines are all crooked. I also can't draw but I can carve wood sculptures. I was treated poorly in school and diagnosed with autism as an adult.
Do writing prompts help at all?
i have it too.....just hate several occasions where i had to fill up personal data in papers esp. filling forms
where can I find a dysgraphia specialist for my 4 year old - NJ
What if a person only seems to have the language processing aspect of dysgraphia? Do they still have dysgraphia? The person I know would spend hours thinking about writing but would never actually do any writing/typing.
My son who is 16yo has the problem of putting thoughts onto paper. What I got him to do is choose a topic of conversation. The topic we spoke about was about his job working at McDonalds. He cooks the burgers and toasts the hamburger buns. I asked him to tell me about the toaster. So we decided to write a paragraph about how the toaster. I got my son to write key words in the middle of a scrap bit of paper. The key words he told me were toaster, automated, 20 seconds, 'don't burn burns'. I asked him to fill in the gaps of these key words to make sentences. The sentence is, "To prevent the buns from burning in the toaster, the toaster is automated to eject the buns at precisely 20 seconds". Obviously his first attempt at the sentence wasn't perfect but we edited it and made changes to polish it up. As I said, throw all the key words in the middle of a scrap bit of paper and fill in the blanks. Hope this helps.
How old is the person you know who only has the language processing aspect of dysgraphia?
Computer word processing changed everything for me. But too often you aren't allowed to use one. College entrance essays, for example. Thank god I was able to carry my laptop with me in grad school!
I suppose some might do better at cursive, and that is how I was taught in grade school, but I discovered that I could be much neater if I printed. It just takes longer. My daily writing is something of a hybrid, but my notes are all over the place. I start thinking I'm going to be organized but that flies out the door quickly.
I wish I knew what was wrong with me! Hindsight is now 20/20.
Just a heads up... You might want to check the subtitles. I was trying to watch this while a bit of back ground noise so read the subtitles and there were loads of discrepancies.
TH-cam subtitles aren't the most accurate in the best of cases. I think there are some background noises in the video anyways, so that'll mess up the subtitles.
PenPen I always see the "swear words".
Made a great friend recently who has been diagnosed with dysgraphia since he was a kid (we're in college). He's incredibly smart and I love talking to him, but he often complains how hard he had it with art class and writing things down. I'm happy he lives in an age where digital technologies (along with all the counseling and special classes) allow him to thrive in a writing-heavy course even though he has dysgraphia.
It also seems he has some sort of dyscalculia? I'm not sure, but he apparently has been trying to figure out the 24-hour clock his entire life and still hasn't managed to do it (we live in Brazil where this is the default clock), so we always have to either "translate" into AM-PM to him or give him a minute to count in his fingers.
I've been worrying about college not giving proper accommodations to him later on (he is a freshman, I'm three years older) so I'm researching a bit on the condition so I can help guide him.
Thanks for the informative vid.
Can some one be both dyslexic and dysgraphic? I am dyslixic but have a lot of these problems. would this be just more dyslixic stuff or would it be dysgraphiea?
Yes, I knew a woman with dyscalculia AND dyslexia and I was like I have dysgraphia, Aspergers, ADD, SLIGHT OCD and my ODD has dumbed itself down to which part of the brain is going to work this second!?! 8 HOURS LATER!?! ... IMAGINE THE ODD COUPLE SHE AND I WOULD HAVE MADE!?! 🤣
Do you have more information on how Dysgraphia is recognized in adults and what accommodations may help them?
I'm AuDHD, often struggled with backwards letters but was never told why. I egerly picked up cursive as soon as I was taught as it solved some problems, but writing always physically hurt. I still bump into problems with people insisting I write physical notes during training while in work settings, it's exhaustuve
Great video that helps me to know about DYSGRAPHIA
I am now convinced I had this whe I was in school. However I had help from some wonderfull special educatuin teachers who worked with me through my 7th grade year to make the problems less noticable. And they did.
Can dysgraphia be for example, writing that starts off neat but by the bottom of the page writing becomes less clear. Also when you talk about writing fatigue is that complaining the pen hurts? Can this just be symptoms of dyslexia? Is there a clear difference?
I'm fighting with it for more than 16 years but didn't know that something like this exists. Always blamed myself for this.
I always wondered why I was so tired after my assignments, I have just been diagnosed with this a month ago, having it my entire life... thankfully school is making accomodations for me with technology and special pens. I have dysgraphia and a dyscalculia disorder. University is hell for me.
I have Dysgraphia, Dyspraxia and ADHD wow thats why i am so bad at things as a child
So, from reading some books I have noticed some similarities with me and the main characters. They have ADHD and dyslexia. I don't seem to have dyslexia but ADHD maybe. None of this has been proven. Tonight mum and I were talking and i love random facts. I told her Albert Einstein was dyslexic which she said is that why he was so god at maths? I said I think I have the opposite of dyslexia and mum said you mean dyscalculia? I say whhhhhhhhaaaaaaat?! She said it's almost exactly like dyslexia but for maths. You know that dyslexia is language but dyscalculia is numbers.This would make sense as I am good at math but I am VERY slow and have to use my fingers or calculator to keep track of what I am doing. Then she said and you know something else? People with dyscalculia also often have dysgraphia as well which is uneat handwriting. I have very messy handwriting. My younger sibling in year FOUR has neater writing than me(mind you he has OCD and anxiety and has been diagnosed) but still!
There is no proof that Einstein was dyslexic.
I was diagnosed with this in 3rd grade and am just now learning about it
Ive always struggled with this. Shouldve looked it up earlier.
Same
Very good information on the subject.
When I was 7 circa 1974 I was told I had ADHD and given Ritalin so my inability to write was attributed to lack of attention and laziness. Circa 1980 I was told I had Graphic Dyslexia. I only heard it called Dysgraphia a few years ago. In the 70s and 80's it was an issue but post-2000 the only time it comes up is when the Doctor's office gives me forms to fill out. I would have my wife or my daughter do it . The other time is when I get the check at a restaurant or need to write a bank check. My wife does those things for me.
Was confirmed that I have this today. Explains a lot.
Idn i might have this because i was diagnosed with adhd and dyslexia so i might have this too but they didnt test me for this but everithing that he said sounds like me and allsow in my country we allways write cursive so that helps a bit but it still does look prety bad but i can write realy good but it takes like 1 minute for two sentances
I have dysgraphia and i agree with all the things you say
Does it affect aim in things like video games as it would explain my bad aim
I was diagnosed as dysgraphic when I was 12yo in the eighties. I saw a catholic nun/tutor that greatly helped me improve legibility and speed of handwriting through repetitive letter and shape exercises(still slow but tremendously faster with less fatigue, I also now have some of the best print writing that I've ever seen). I continued to do terrible in school, and none of my teachers ever recognized that it was a disability even with the diagnosis from a neurologist. Many of my high school classes would grade you by your notebook, some teachers as much as 25% of my final grade. I absolutely could not take notes as it would take me out of learning concentration, but, I can listen to a lecture and have almost perfect recall.
I always liked computers and gaming, and would play a lot throughout my life, as I still do. I definitely have always struggled with multiplayer games(since the days Pong). I didn't ever think about linking the dysgraphia and gaming until the multiplayer first person shooting games became popular. It was then that I realized what a disadvantage I had. I seem to have neurologically built in "lag". I am always off timing against another human even if they are a novice to the game. I do pretty well against computer generated characters, but cannot compete with other people 95% of the time, their reaction time is far too fast for me. I find it interesting as a side note that I have incredibly fast reflexes, such as catching dropped or falling items. The dysgraphia for me seems to affect a lag between thought and directed action but not so much with impulse and reflex.
I continue to game but tend to avoid high speed player versus player games. I also let my gaming friends know that I have a disability and how it works if they insist on my joining in. They've been pretty understanding in most cases.
You can visit the dysgraphia page on our site for more information: ncld.org/types-learning-disabilities/dysgraphia Thank you.
Sometimes I’ll look at a number like 3 and wonder if it is backwards, same goes for letters like b or d
I was diagnosed at 5 years old and I still get told to learn how to write or made fun of for my writing skills. I am almost 20 now and I have not been able to concour my self esteem when I have to write something
So I'm dysgraphic (looking for explanation vids because I'm tired of explaining to others) when he talks about hang ups putting things into words I couldnt explain to docs why I couldn't write things but it was my very psych eval that diagnosed me that actually made me later realise why I cant put things into words I've my whole life called it writer's block but what's happening is that I think in two ways verbal thoughts an non verbal non pictorial intuitive thoughts and when I cant write it's because I'm having an intuitive nonverbal thought that I cannot convert into words I'd also like to add the cursive thing is hit or miss because I cannot read and the best way I can describe it is to look at a language you cant read like Arabic or sanskrit that's how cursive looks to me even if I wrote it lol
UGH! FINALLY! SOMEONE WHO PUT MY BRAIN INTO WORDS!
Beautifully done. Kids learn from kids as much as from adults.:}
I never had problem with writing or grammar in school life but now I am finding it hard…using words, remembering words, punctuation and grammar. I am an adult and university graduate. Can it be diagnosed now?
I think I have dysgraphia my hand and fingers get stiff when writing anything and sometimes I can’t even read what I just wrote it is like my hand wants to write as fast as it can without caring how it looks.
The anatomical correlate appears to be deficit in arcuate fasciculus integrity: white matter.
Great tips and advice. Thank you!
hey i have dysgraphia and this video helped and hop you help more people like me by thanks!
I have dysgraphia and grew up in the 70snwhen cursive
Was the only writing style. Was even diagnosed when I was10 but they knew nothing of it. Cursive was a curse, it’s possible to space out the words really wide even in cursive also I had the inverted circles aspect of it so it was really hard getting out of vowels and I kept going around and making thick letters and then my hand would hurt
I was never tested for either but I know I transpose letters and numbers and have all my life.
I was diagnosed with Dyslexia when I was 7 but they said "She's dyslexic but she main issue is her hand writing" They didn't know what Dysgraphia was. My mom knew there was something else but didn't know what so she did her research and read about dysgraphia and was like "This is it." But I was never professionally diagnosed, I'm in college now do you think I should be professionally diagnosed?
What voice to print software is recommended. Trying to get it added to my son's IEP, but get mixed reviews about them so trying to narrow it down. THANK YOU!
+Amy Slazyk --
Hi Amy my son has dysgraphia and I have found the apps on the iPhone a great resource. On the iPhone you can download pages it is a great voice to text app -- as dragon naturally speaking would not pick up what he was saying due to a speech impediment. For organising work --ie planning to write -- I downloaded the inspiration app ---- your child might also benefit from a planner ( especially high school)