The Disposable engines that Conquered the World - USATC S160
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- In today's video, we take a look at the S160's, America's disposable engines that survived well past their shelf life
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Please, TOT, for the love of God its pronounced: Lie-Muh, not Lih-Muh
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The DR Class 52 Kriegslokomotive was also built to only last a few years, but nowdays its the most common preserved locomotive in the whole of Europe. In Bosnia they are even in active service.
As the name suggests, this loco was meant for war and is basically a simpler version of DR Class 50
there were alot of austerity 2-8-0, 2-10-0 and hunslet tank engines which ended up lasting till end of steam.
apart from the hunslets which kept on going for decades after.
That's pretty much the case for for steam locomotives built for WW2.
Yes...of the 6000 parts of the class 50, the class 52 has only 5000 and of them about 50% are simplifyed. In many european countrys they survied till the end of Steam in there countrys. East Germany modified them in the 60´s and run then official till 1988 but many were even run till 1994. In Poland they were in use till 1992...the other mostly till the late 60´s or even till the late 70´s. So in the end it was a very robust construction which do not need of service. They were just running
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@@davidty2006yeah!! Around 100 of the 2-10-0’s worked for the Dutch railways as the class 5000. There is one preserved in the railway museum
"A handful in Spain ended up in Alaska."
I'm sorry, but...what?!
That deserves it's own video.
ARR #557 is currently being restored to operational status a few miles from where I live. They have a small youtube channel if you search for "557 Restoration Company"
I think it's a mistake, some of the Alaskan ones were sold to Spain, not the other way round
@@GlenlowWorks But funnily enough it's definitely not the longest journey these things have gone on. Of the preserved S160s currently in the UK, one was bought from China, four from Hungary, two from Poland, and one from Greece who had previously bought it from Italy.
How did they regauge these locomotives to accomodate the transition either way? Was it a procedure like the Russian Decapods that could be regauged by putting really wide tires on the wheels when using them on standard gauge? (But would need to do this a LOT MORE to go from 5' 6" to 4' 8.5" than to go from 5' 0" to 4' 8.5".)
@@Lucius_Chiaraviglio I know when narrowing the gauge on the S118 they did it by adding spacers outside of the wheels. For the S160s it may have not been a unified process as some were definitely built in broad gauge, but the Alaskan ones weren't so they would have to be converted.
From Alaska, and we still have 2 of them; no.556 is a static display in downtown Anchorage, and no.557 is being restored to operational status at an engine shed out in Wasilla.
I live in eagle River and in eager to see it when it's completed as I've never seen an operating steam locomotive in person before. I've talked with people working on the project and they've said it should be done either this year or the next
One thing you missed in the video was that the Americans also built a slightly modified version of these locos during the war for Queensland railways in Australia. These locos worked right up to the 1960s and two survive in operational condition today
Would those be the S118 MacArthur class? I believe down under it was known as the Queensland Railways AC16.
@@asteroidrules yep that’s them, out of the two surviving one of them is owned by Queensland rail today and the other is on the zig zag railway in New South Wales
An excellent video! I wanted to make a quick correction regarding the S160’s in the United States: most, if not all the S160’s that exist in the USA (not including Alaska) never went overseas, and instead found work at various military bases, such as Fort Bragg, and probably most famously, For Eustis, where S160’s were used as Military training locomotives up until the 1970’s.
One of those engines, #1702, currently operates on the Great Smoky Mountains Railroad in Bryson City, NC, albeit heavily modified with a number of cosmetic differences, and a larger tender.
Also nearing its return to operating condition is #AlaskaRailroad557, based out of Wasila, Alaska.
US engineering. It isn't perfect, but it works.
it isn't pretty, but it works you mean?
I mean, to be fair, these were only supposed to help in the war then right after be thrown away. They weren’t supposed to be good, just good enough to get the allied countries through.
@@yeoldeseawitch that too
@@yeoldeseawitchJust the way I like it, Lots of pipe and gears being exposed fitting the massive size of American Locomotives.
Also applies to modern diesels too. One of the most common UK freight engines, the BR class 66, was made in the US. They're hot, noisy, and certainly not pretty, but by golly do they do the job and have an availability that puts older British made diesels to shame.
Funny story: in a presentation railway in the uk called KWVR there are one and when it was being shipped to the uk there was a note on it telling the people who got it to check the firebox and when they did they found tons of beer and whisky turns out the boat it was on belonged to a load of smugglers who where trying to bring beer and whisky to England
You can tell just how widespread the USATC locomotives were just by looking at all the names the S160 went by. In addition to its USATC designation and the Baldwin designation of Class 19S, it was known as the OBB Class 956, CSD Class 456.1, SNCF Class 140U, SNCB Type 281, SEK Class Theta Gamma, MAV Class 411, FS Class 736, PKP Class Tr201, SZhD class ShA, RENFE Class 553, TCDD Class 45171, JZ Class 37, FCC Class 80, CR Class KD6, KSR Series 8000, KoRail Class Sori 2, and IR Class AWC. This thing operated on literally every continent that has rails on it, most of the time for several decades. To make matters even better: these weren't the only US Army war locomotives that served around the world for several decades, the slightly larger S200 class, the S100 "yank tank" switcher, and S118 "MacArthur" narrow gauge engine, were all also carried by war with American troops and left scattered across dozens of nations.
By far my favourite American locomotive class. One of my local heritage railways has 2 in operation and 1 undergoing restoration
Number 1702 still operates on the Great Smoky Mountains Railroad in my home state of North Carolina, I even had the honor of seeing her in person on July 30th of 2023. Granted, she’s been heavily modified through the years and barely looks like an S160, but she’s still one at heart.
In fact, 1702 never left the US, but was originally stationed at Fort Bragg (now Fort Liberty) outside of Fayetteville NC between 1942-1946.
i keep forgetting 1702 is an S160
6:37 Some never left the US, like 1702. Built by Baldwin in 1942 it was used for training purposes at Ft. Bragg in North Carolina. In 1946 it got bought by the Warren and Saline River Railroad, having some modifications done. It got sold to the Reader Railroad after the WSR dieselized in the 60’s, getting modified again. In 1985 it got sold to the Fremont and Elkhorn Valley Railroad (rip FEVR), operating between Fremont and Hooper, Nebraska. In 1991 it got sold to the. Great Smoky Mountains Railroad where it got modified again, and still is today.
#AlaskaRailroad557 also had a similar story in which it also never left the US.
There is an S160 currently operating in the United States. Great Smokey Mountain Railroad 1702 is a S160.
The railroad cosmetically altered the locomotive’s appearance to look like a consolidation from the Southern Railway in the United States. Including a centered headlight and a Southern Crescent style number plate.
Alaska Railroad 557 is another S160 in the latter stages of a deeply impressive rebuild and restoration way up in Wasilla AK.
@@TheRealHooptiesOfGeneseeCounty That is true. 610 at the Tennessee Valley Railroad Museum is another, but she no longer operates. I heard they might restore her again whenever 4501 or 630 need a complete overhaul.
And in my home state of North Carolina.
I've been to the GSMR a few times, and 1702 is a beautiful locomotive
@@cjstrader8171 My fellow North Carolinian, I did mention that. I said where 1702 is currently located. I went to the railroad a few years before they restored her for the second time. I have not been there since due to schedule restraints, but I will definitely make time to go when Southern 722 is restored.
Here in Hungary the class number was 411 hence the 4 driven axles and the nickname was Truman because of they were biult in America. There's many of them being preserved here as statues, but one, the 411.118 is still operational and maintained by a foundation. The members call her Vassné (Mrs. Vass) because the man who maintained her as a statue and started to bring her back to life is called István Vass.
Correction, there's only two preserved as statues: numbers 264 in Hatvan and 358 in Hegyeshalom
Glad the S160s got a video after the S100s. Both great steam locomotives
Fun fact: the S-2-8-2 from derail valley is somewhat based on the S200
And the S060 is a usatc s100
I think the point missed is these locomotives weren't really designed to be "disposable". They were designed to be simple, reliable, and easy to maintain in primitive conditions with basic tools, and they survived in service because they were reliable and easy to maintain and would keep running long after more "sophisticated" designs would require major maintenance. For instance, they lacked the superheating that was effectively standard on US locomotives by that point. The axle box issues were mostly caused by British train crews unfamiliar with greased bearings failing to lubricate them properly.
There was a superheater. Though it is true there were very basic
Philippines also had 10-20 S160s in 1950s to 1970's Renumbered as the 800 Class
Yep thats true.
The engine class your talking about is the Manila railroad class 800 these engines were 2-8-2 mikado types not 2-8-0 consolidations the class 800 is basically the Philippine's equivalent to the USATC class S118 famously known as "MacArthur's" and these engines were received between the years of 1944-1945 Unless What your saying is info not easily accessible on the internet
@@Lordbread-M1899 wait, those are S118s and not S160s?
I'm so sorry, There's not much Information about the Locomotive USATC gave to Philippines so I didn't know
@@CycloneProductions22 Yes those are S118
WWII Europe: “Hey America, can we get some help with our motive power for our rails?”
American Locomotive Industry: *mass production intensifies*
What's interesting to note is during WWII Alco even built tanks in addition to locomotives. There are photos that exist showing a Union Pacific Big Boy being built alongside some tank turrets in the Alco factory.
For a locomotive that was merely disposable, I’m surprised these engines lasted at long as they did
Alot of wartime engines ended up lasting till end of steam.
@@davidty2006 A handful are still kicking, the USATC locomotives are popular on heritage railways and there were industrial shortlines still using German Kriegsloks this side of 2000.
There is a fair bit of it in WWII equipment that far outlived its design life.
One of the more high profile cases is the aircraft carrier HMS Hermes. Started as HMS Elephant in 1944 to a 'light fleet carrier' design, it was a disposable ship that could be built quickly whilst being able to operate the generation of war designed aircraft that were often much larger and heavier than their pre war counterparts. Renamed Hermes prior to completion, which was delayed by the outbreak of peace and the subsequent developments of carrier aviation, she would go on to serve in the Falklands war in the 1980s before being sold to India, becoming the Viraat. She finally left service in 2017.
There's 2 of these on one of my local Heritage Lines. Churnet Valley. Their only working steam locos, quite a smooth ride tbh, can't help but love them.
And they do a pretty good job climbing the 1 in 45 banks with heavy trains. Quite a sound! I was amused that they actually have an official stop at the top of the bank to recover breath - but many engines wouldn't make it at all.
Our local heritage railway in the UK , The Churnet Valley, has 3. Two operational and one being restored.
They make a great sound going up the gradient to Ipstones.
"There is nothing more permanent than a temporary fix"
I don't live far from the old Lima Loco Works, they have a section in the museum for these engines. Very cool to see on a video!
This is video highlights why some of my favorite steam locomotives are those that were built during the World Wars as so many proved to be the very soldiers they served, surviving long into new service lives all over the world! The USATC S160s are my favorite of these war-built engines that I love. In a way they remind me of that one meme I see every so often on 1970s-1980s Nostalgia Instagram accounts where it's a refrigerator and the caption is, "Modern day appliance: (breaks down after two years) 1970s refrigerator: I will outlive you and all that you love. I am time itself!" These engines are Consolidations, my favorite freight wheel configuration, built in my native country and after defeating the axis powers, worked for railways in my ancestorial countries. And here they are, one of the most preserved steam locomotive classes in the world! Happy Easter!
The Steam Engine Looks Amazing I Like It
The one in China, numbered KD6-487 and nicknamed American Bird, is now preserved in a steam loco museum in Diaobingshan, Liaoning Provence, as the most precious loco of the museum.
Alaska managed to snag two of these in preservation. Good to know the history of the 557 that’s been being worked on for so long.
I've ridden on one at the Keighley and Worth Valley Railway. It's a lovely bit of kit in what I'm guessing is it's original grey colour with the USA Transport Corp painted on the side.
Fun fact: there is one s160 in the army transportation museum on Fort eustis it was fully restored for sometime but before it was in the museum it was used to train private how to start and drive a steam engine
As a huge S160 fan from Hungary I am realy happy for this video, thanks, awsome video :D and I loved to see all the 411 engine photos in the video they warmed my heart
thanks again form Hungary :]]
Can you do the S118s next please? But as always, nice work!
6:19, that photo was taken not far away from the place I live, very nice video, welcome from Hungary.
Ah yes this train lasted forever... Starts the video telling us all the serious issues it has. This video had so many ups and downs lol 😅
Much like the locomotive type itself
Fun fact, there is actually an S160 in operation in the US. GSMR no. 1702 is one of the original prototype S160s and she currently resides on the Great Smoky Mountains railroad other wise known as the Murphy Branch.
Steam locomotives are engines that tend to work past their due date
In Polish Railway Has 75 loks Tr201 from UNNRA and 500 Tr203 from Usatc. This locomotive runs goods and passengers train.
There was also a WW1 equivalent,built by Baldwin and Alco,which was still running in W
The video maybe concentrates quite a lot on the problems encountered but they were still very useful engines and filled a real need in Britain and Europe. So of the one used in Britain had US Army drivers who had worked on the railroads before enlisting, paired with British firemen. That helped develop familiarity. The British also commented favourably on the armchair seats in the cab!
Now you need to make a video of the s118
Having had the misfortune of working on one of these in the UK as a steam loco fitter- easily the worst design Ive ever had to maintain haha! If I can avoid them again I will!
In Hungary these were called : Truman. Class 411. They were used up until the 80s!
Alaska Railroad #557 is getting ready for her hydro test next month... she's almost finished with her 10 year restoration!
I LOVE these wartime locomotives! The S160 S100 and the SR Q1 0-6-0 locomotives are some of my favorites! And that’s from someone who usually likes streamliners better!
Don't forget the WD 2-8-0s and 2-10-0s.
@@gilbertporter4992 true! I must say that I wish somebody would make the locomotives I mentioned in O gauge
Same, Imagine it's 1944 and your an American soldier deployed in Britain on the eve of D Day and the S160 was main motive power for troop trains
@@CrossOfBayonne honestly I hope to model a O gauge layout, representing the sort of things that people thought were going to be the future of railways during the 1930s 40s and early 50s along with a few things that could have gone differently after that and the World War II era locomotives are engines I want to be able to model for being used as second or even third hand steam locomotives being used in industrial capacities, short lines or even excursion railroads. Probably for the things actually in mainline use it would be a combination of late steam era designs like streamliners and articulated locomotives as well as highly efficient engines like the New York Central Niagara, and some diesels. In addition to the classic Road names I might have one or two more modern ones like Amtrak and Conrail.
@@lucasquintanilla1673 Same man. It's funny, a lot of the World War 1 war locomotives from the US (the USRA standards) are available in O gauge, and even a trench locomotive is made in On30, but the World War 2 USATC locos are basically absent from this scale.
These are my favorite locos theres 3 at the churnet valley railway thanks
Very impressive performance for a "disposable" engine. The 2-8-0 wheel arrangement was the best general use design for the US, and apparently useful everywhere.
Thé 282 arrangement was preferred here in France for general use : it allowed for a wider firebox. (It did not have to be squeezed between the drive wheels) permitting use of poor quality coal.
I actually saw one of these engines at the Epping Ongar Railway, I even got a photo of it too. Truly an stunning locomotive!
I've kind of fallen in love with these engines after seeing a few videos of them on TH-cam a few years ago (thanks Marsh Steam Videos).
One of the ones preserved in Britain, no. 2253 'Omaha' (which originally ran in Poland), came to visit the Severn Valley Railway last year for the Autumn Steam Gala and I managed to ride behind her on the day that I was there, which was just as well because she failed the following day! She stayed at the line for the winter and late in December I managed to travel behind her again, all the way up from Kidderminster to Bridgnorth. I'd thought that the crew were treating her quite carefully on the journey, and it turned out that I'd possibly been right, as I learned later that she'd been failed while at Bridgnorth with a boiler leak! Hagley Hall happened to be lightly steaming in the yard so was able to take over for her second run down to Kidderminster and back with only a slight delay (10 minutes or so) from the timetable.
Omaha was meant to run at the SVR's Winter Gala in January and then head off to the Great Central Railway for its gala, but neither ended up happening, with repairs unable to be completed in time given that there was only just over a week between her failing and the gala itself! The SVR ended up sending one of its own locos (BR Standard 4 4-6-0 no. 75069) over to the GCR in Omaha's stead!
I saw one running a few years ago at nearby heritage railway
There was more S160 that 8F and WD Austerity 2-8-0 combine but yet they are the forgotten heroes of the War.
I really like this Class immediately, now that I know much better about it, especially the UK examples!
Wartime locos have proven to be more useful over time than people expected them to be.
Well the HSTs were meant to be stop gap disposable trains too.
theres alot of "temporary" stuff that lasts alot longer than it should of.
When British Rail says "stop-gap", they mean 50-60 years.
Not train related, but my favorite examples of planned obsolescence backfiring are the Ford n series tractors and the great lakes freighters. There were about 500,000 ford n series tractors made between 1939 and 1952 and about half of them are still assumed to be in active service today. As for the freighters, because the great lakes are freshwater, the ships dont corrode like oceangoing vessels, and there are examples of ships made in the 1920s still in active service today. Unfortunately, this means that the company that made most of them went out of business because they didnt need replacement as often as the wood hulled ships that they replaced.
The safety valves lifted much more suddenly and explosively than on British engines of the time. Traincrew handing over to rookies who hadn't worked on them before would leave the blower open half a turn and enjoy what happened when they blew off - the crew would literally jump in shock and often bang elbows, drop shovels etc. British crew were also intrigued by the whistle, "a railroad bellow straight out of a Hollywood western."
[Continued] running in WW2,and lasted quite a time thereafter! And during the US Civil War,there were engines produced for war service,which also lasted for years after! History repeats! Thank you 😇 😊!
*Mentions Hungarian S160's*
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That’s kinda wrong. All but 2 of the Alaska Railroad’s S160’s were sent to Spain in the late 1950s, not the other way round. Also most S160’s in the States were built there, and stayed there. Such locos like 610, 1702, 556 and 557 were built for the states, and haven’t gone elsewhere since,
I'm happy to see the WWII era USAT locos getting some attention. Though they were far more numerous and their service long, I've actually a preference to the S-200s.
That being said, the S-160s definitely gave all they had, and then some and as such should be given the love and recognition they deserve.
On that note, however, do you plan to do the other S-series locos? I'd love one on the 200s and the tank engines.
Unfortunately, only the boiler from locomotive 456.159 (S160) has survived in the Czech Republic. After decommissioning, the locomotives ended up as heating boilers or were quickly scrapped as a bad imperilastic thing. That's how everything that came from the west, which according to the communists was bad, ended.
Another solid video
can you do some videos about czechoslovakian steam engines like 498.104 or 498.106. 498.106 has speed record in the middle of europe its very interesting
In Spain we didnt have these locomotives because Spain didnt participate in WWII and our rail track gauge is wider than the standard one. The only ones who came were a couple of engines from the Alaskan railways to the Ferrocarril de Langreo that used standard gauge in Gijon but in the 1950s.
They weren't design to last long, but because of the simplicity of parts and mechanism, it make it last long, a lot longer.
Manufacturer nowadays only wanted more money, because they say it is a business. But hey, business is not only about money, it is also about technicalities and reputation. If company A make good things for decades and dediced that way around meanwhile company B make exciting things but regularly needs changing parts, the A simply is a choice that people would consider to buy if the person who wants to buy didn't matter of what it looks like.
USATC S160 #611 is, iirc, one of only two locomotives with poppet valves still existing in the US. The other is C&O 4-6-4 #490.
The 1 nir 450 class engine remaining still runs after living in a nir 70 class for some years being removed and transferred to a 450 living in the 450 for over 30 years being transferred to dcdr and a flood
Even considered disposable, they still don't make em' like they used to.😢
I think the Dartmouth railway has one
So even back then when actively trying to build garbage equipment, though having some faults, they all worked and over severed their purpose. Today your lucky to get a toaster to last more than a year.
Literally the M4 Sherman but for engines
These locomotives were the locomotive rail equivalent of the Liberty class ships.
one of the US engines, ableit heavily modified rubs today in NC on the Great Smoky Mountains Railroad. It and the other US 2-8-0's were never shipped, and I dont think they really shipped any back to the US.
S160 locomotive #5820 is still operating!!!
To quote an American hero, "Even The Losers get lucky sometimes"
One in the US is in Suger Creek Ohio at the Age of Steam Roundhouse
Dude, don't disrespect the West Virginia chrome at 0:20
My family calls it, Oklahoma chrome
The "Truman"-s , yes they served Hungary nicely. I am surten they di not work as good as the "Bivaly"-s, but hey, after prettimuch what the WW2 left behind of Hungary, locomotives for scrapp metal price were not bad.
USATC S160s are my favorite Consolidation. If there's anything I'd love to do it would be repatriate an S160 and restore it.
Great Smoky Mountains Railroad has one they said they are working on it. It’s number is 1702. I actually went there when it was my birthday and one of the workers there was also train fan like me and he said I could work there when I reach 18 and work on a steam locomotive. If you guys are wondering, where place is at it is at North Carolina they give train ride and tell stories about the place. I’m close to 18 just one more year, 3 months and 17 days.
think there is one on NYMR
How about covering steam turbine engines?
dont forget about the WD austerities 2- *8* -0s
Yes. Finally
Am I familiar with temporary things being made to last forever? Sir I live in Britain that is all we know how to do
To resolve t confUSOn onTh distribution of these locos: the S160 were Standard Gauge locos for Europe, North Africa, Iran, and Britain.
The S160 was a 2-8-0; the Narrow Gauge version was the S200: it was a 2-8-2 for both 3'6" and Metric ( 3'3.375":). these were for India, Queensland, and several Narrow gauge Asian Railways.
Completely different from S160...Boilers may have been on the same design, but chassis and riding gear was different.
The Rissian and Indian Briiad Gauge ( 5'0" and 5'6"l) were simlpy fitted with Wider Wheel sets on standard frames.
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A Standard Gauge 2-8-2 version was also suppled to Iran, and some emded up in Italy as the Gr.747 after the war. Saw them in Scrappers Row on Milan Marshalling Yards on 1978. S160 in Italy were the Gr.736. (73x and 74x were 4 axle freight and Some High speed locos)
To clear up some of the Misinformation above.
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"Planned obsolescence" is mostly a myth. There is always a tradeoff between durability, cost and performance, and most consumers choose cheaper, better models that don't last.
There was literally a conspiracy between lightbulb manufacturers to have strict, fixed lifespan for lightbulbs
@@VS-sf1rt Only because there is a very strong relationship between efficiency and lifespan, and the manufacturers standardized to the same solution. th-cam.com/video/zb7Bs98KmnY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=bZB6pykopgkL_mxa
@@VS-sf1rt That's what I'm talking about. That agreement was to improve the energy efficiency of light bulbs. Look for a video by Technology Connections called "Longer-lasting light bulbs - it's complicated" if you want to learn more.
yes its true in greece we have 3 in the kalamata railway museum and are in not that good contition...
Very nice work on the video 0:38
Fun fact EVERY country had at least 1 s160
You forgot to mention the operational preserved S160s
So S160 are the eevees of the railroad/railway worlds.
I’ve never been a fan of the S160’s design. The combination of the high boiler, Westinghouse pump on the smokebox door and boxy tender I don’t think is an appealing look (at least when compared to any British designs).
The H. L. Hunley was an early submarine built by the Confederate States of America during the US Civil War. It was composed of a long iron tube 12 meters and was propelled by a team of six men turning a large centrally mounted crank to drive a prop. It was made to try to break the US Navy's blockade of the CSA, allowing for the importation of more weapons and materiel from Europe. It was notable for killing two crews of Confederate Sailors by suffocation in testing and a third during it's only operational deployment. The Hunley sailed out to the union sloop USS Housatonic and impacted it with a spar torpedo, basically a bomb on a pole on the front which it rammed into the Housatonic's hull, blowing a hole below the water line and sinking it. While succesful, the Hunley sunk with it's target.
An interesting read is "Built for Battle" in Trains Magazine, December 1964, by retired US Army Reserve Col. Howard W. Hill, the designer of the USATC 2-8-2. He has some highly critical things to say about an unnamed Major and a 2-8-0 locomotive. What he doesn't say is that the 2-8-2 he was responsible for was cancelled mid-production and replaced by the S-160. Some of already manufactured or procured parts for the 2-8-2 were converted for use in the S-160s. With that back story it is obvious that even 23 years afterward Hill retained a grudge when he wrote the article.
Why were there disposable?
They were built cheaply and without a long service life in mind
Whenever USATC builds something it's usually designed to last as long as the war they're fighting.
Wartime stopgap, the USATC series engines, much like the British War Department Austerity series, and the German Kriegsloks, were intended primarily as locomotives that could be built quickly and cheaply under the assumption that it was very likely they would be destroyed by air raids. They weren't expecting many of them to last to the end of the war, let alone the end of steam power as a whole.
@@asteroidrulesthank you for your reply 👍
@@TrainFactGuyit's a real honor to get this reply from a fellow TH-camr. Thank you as well for your reply.
S160s may not be as pretty as 8Fs but they are just as, if not more, heroic
The Irony of it. The day my S160 OC Eleanor gets finished and sent to me. This video drops
It's fate 😂
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It’s funny that they look distinctly American compared to locomotives they’re displayed alongside in Europe, because, between the small boiler, not having a light on the smokebox door, the buffer and chain couplers, and that black and red paint scheme, they look distinctly European to an American.
What about 1702