There’s doing a product review listing specs and pretending to be fully impartial, and then there’s Scott & Jess doing it full of delightful personality bits, celebrating bias (what’s useful to you) instead of pretending it’s not there, and still providing tons of super useful context along the way. Thanks for making something that could have been a boring episode for folks who don’t need a nail gun still a lovely video to watch. I’ve yet to purchase a nail gun since moving to a 100+ year old home over a year ago but it’s finally getting to close to slapping 2x4s during reno time, thanks for making that future decision so much easier.
i've might have said this before (nobody knows). but, you are the reason why i bought a hikoki framing nailer (the old one) and a finish nailer from hikoki, super happy with the both of them. and i'm just a hobbyist who used too much money on tools i don't actually need :)
I'm not a qualified builder but I do spend the money on professional tools. My dad who was a carpenter said to me "Never buy the cheapest, never buy the most expensive - go middle of the road and you won't go wrong".
Been happy with my Milwaukee for almost 5 years. Been in the shop once under warranty at least 3 years ago and been flawless ever since. Looking forward to what Milwaukee can do in the Gen 2. Im on the Milwaukee platform so i probably wouldnt switch to Hikoki. Hikoki have knocked it out of the park though!
@@BType13X2I think all the Milwaukee nailer ( especially the generation ones ) are all good. I habe before also Metabo .. but switched to Milwaukee. I want reduce my Battery platforms ( before I had 5 now I have 3 ) / Milwaukee had a bigger selection like the new roofing coil nailer on nailers and in different sizes too( see just the 23ga pin nailer or the newer 18ga 1 1/2” finishing nailer ) … and more then a half of my tools are Milwaukee.
As a primarily repair carpenter, I have both battery and a paslode. When I’m helping with a framing job, I’ll use the battery operated. But when repairing a roof or crawling around a crawlspace, I’ll take the paslode for the reduced weight. On ‘new’ builds, it’s easy to swing the weight around or set the framer down. But when I’m in tricky situations, which repair work gets me into a lot, that weight becomes an issue.
I bought the Hikoki NT1850 based on yours and Dean Doherty's recommendation, my only regret was not buying it sooner, going to treat myself to the 1865 angled when there's a battery redemption offer.
Have been using the new Hikoki for a week now, agree with the belt hook situation it blew me away when I got it out of the box and there was nothing there 😮 FYI the belt hook from the old gun does fit if you bore out the mounting holes slightly. Another thing I'm not convinced about is the nail lockout system, it's no longer a mechanical lockout but a electronic lock out and looks extremely vulnerable exposed like that almost like an after thought.
moving weight to the back is VERY promising. The closer that weight is to your shoulder the less fatiguing they are. Not having to go around with a hammer to finish driving in nails also helps reduce fatigue.
What? The pivot point is your wrist and hand. Moving the weight further from that pivot make it more of a strain on the forearm. Nail guns get used on angles, sideways, on outside faces with the back pointing away from you, every which way and in quick succession. Making it longer, not just weight biased back, exacerbates that even further.
I hated the rafter hook on the hikoki framer when I got it. so I bought the hook that comes on the 16g hikoki nailer and put it on the magazine side hook mount, making it so much more user friendly!
I bought one to replace my 6 year old paslode. Miter ten black Friday special. $750 including battery and charger. Not the lastest model and yes its heavy. But sooo much better. Quieter, cheaper to run and more powerful and no gas smells or gas canisters issues. The weight reduces kickback.
for production framers we are still multiple generations away from replacing air, but if you just do reno's or standing pre built walls, or back framing, battery is the way to go most of the time
I’m still using the older model Hikoki gun, it’s about 4 years old now and still works a dream. Seeing as they still haven’t fixed the belt hook issue I won’t be upgrading to the new model.
Great review Scott, If they bring out the new belt hook, That’s the only let down I can see I think I’ll get one later This year based on your review. Hey, why not get one from Australia and just keep it to yourself , Bump Fire is the best thing ever They shoot nails as quick as you can bounce the gun There is something really satisfying about it, especially doing framing and sheet flooring More so than the bradding guns
I love how hikoki is slowly getting more internet time these days Admittedly, there range is small when compared with others, but they are a good brand for the price point, and haven't failed me yet. Good review my friend
Great video, i think one other consideration with the milwalkee is that, i think, its not possible to top up the air tank at home, it must go to the service agent....
Ive been on the hikoki platform for the last 4 years and have been enjoying the benefits of the 36v power. Before i switched from my 18v makita gear to the 36v green gear i also found myself owning milwaukee framing and finishing guns which i have enjoyed. I do think i will be switching out my red guns to green ones with this update/weightloss program theyve been on.
I bought the 16g angled 2nd fix gun, after 3 dewalt ones stopped working after a few months of working each, they were constantly back for repairs. The hikoki was expensive, but it's worth it, only things I don't like is the hook on the wrong side for right-handed, and it can act up with different branded nails
On mine all the hooks are attached with machine screws, and I've been able to switch them out. Not sure about your model but there are holes on both sides of mine so I can switch sides. Best of luck!
Working in the UK , gas is often too cold to work. The Hikoki was much lighter than the Milwaukee which I actually went to buy, coupled with the 5 year warranty it was a no brainer. Been very happy with it. Been paslode and hilti nailers before, will never go back.
I switched to dewalt framing nailers years ago and it was a disaster went straight back to paslode . I'm just about to swap to the 36v hikoki platform and the nailers were on the list . Going to have to wait on this to hit the market in the uk now
I see on the Dean Doherty channel on here (power tool repair guy) he’s always fixing Dewalt guns, either the switch or the main pin because someone has put oil on it. He doesn’t seem to think much of Milwaukee either from a repair perspective.
You can get used to the weight. You can’t make a tool set a nail past its max. Love the hitachi nailer with the miner gripes with the nose piece which do show up a few times a job. Still it’s a reliable nail shooter from the brad to the finish and framer.
Great they are still developing it. I've the old one and its still working great, Don't even bother with a Dewalt battery gun, noisy and slow firing rate
Cordless Milwaukee framing nailers are impressive, but mine died within 3 years and Milwaukee wanted $200 to replace the cylinder inside because its nearly impossible to refill it. I ended up picking up a pneumatic Metabo HPT and now I'm all about pneumatic tools. They are just so much lighter in comparison!
I also have the 36v paper framer. They do make a larger hook thats like the first version but twice as wide (my main gripe with the included hook was it being so small) was about 35$
I've been using a Passcode IM350 and DeWalt DCN692 for nearly 6 years, and was considering replacing the DeWalt with the 930N but I'm finding with DeWalt the newer tools don't last 5 minutes, without some sort of issue. This led me to weeks and weeks of reading reviews and narrowing it down to the Hikoki and Milwaukee, I'm considering eventually moving all my tools away from DeWalt so taking that into consideration too. I do like the 5 year warranty with Hikoki too!
I've had the Metabo HPt (hikoki) for 2 or 3 years now. I'm a finish carpenter now so doesn't see as much use as when I did remodels. I like it just heavy, but works good. I don't keep it on my van anymore though, I have an air framer and prefer that for the few and far between times I need to add blocking etc.
I had a hitachi gas powered before i got the battery one. Must have spent more on the gas than i did on the initial purchase but still better than a hose for my situation.
I have a pasload famer, and I must say I have never had this problem with it not nailing to depth, on hardwood to hardwood (1900s house in Australia) I have the opposite, the battery only tool are good when you battery are new and fully charged but over time battery get old and they just don't seem to work as well, but you are right about it is cheaper without the gas, i have a makita brad nail gun and the thing is a peace of crap. I switch back to the air tool after a week, i should have got my money back lol
To add to this, I never understand the band loyalty that people show, i always go for the tool that is going to save me the most time and last, in most cases you kind stuck with the colour you have unless you wont more charges and battery's. I also think that's a good part of your video, I uses my tools pretty hard, I also use parts for tools am hammers and other things. and i brake them probably to often. i don't clean them as often I pick them up and use them until there is a problem. I mean its a tool at the end of the day its a tool that helps you do the job, the old saying that time is money and it is very true, labour is the most expansive part of the job and can vary the most. i also find it funny that people are to worried about braking there tools and teat them like a Faberge eggs. i also try not getting lock into a brands ecosystem when I can , when I was buying a coil gun i didn't go for the battery/Gas pasload because i could only use pasload nails in it, witch stopped my from finding cheaper nails or using nails from other brands and locked me into buying pasload nails only.
My mate had a 1st gen Hikoki and found it would turn off quite quickly (5mins or so), and then turning it back on was a two handed affair. The Milwaukee will stay on and ready to go even over smoko, and it’s possible to turn back on with one hand, a underrated feature if you’re up a ladder putting in a length with the other hand already busy. Recently got a 3.0 amp battery from Santa, game changer with the weight, but a kilo heavier… oooof.
You should test the brand new Paslode . It has bump fire , I got mine on an Instagram promotion the first week of September 2024 . It is a beast, even compared to the old ones.The Dewalt is actually the lightest battery powered. I had the new version of it for three years. It was pretty good. On a sidenote, I just bought the new Metabo HPT 18 gauge last week in a deal at Lowe’s. I am super impressed with it. I did a lot of trim with it this week.
Looks great, point well made. Still, you know battery platform, in the line with other tools, still a big fan of the Milwaukee. Thanks. Keep em coming.
I have a Hikoki finishing gun, the loader spring bit brakes very easily ( so you can not put nails in the gun anymore) was under warranty but after 6 weeks of waiting, they charged for the repair which was exactly like the previous one done at no charge. Got a nail gun from DEWALT while waiting to get my nail gun back and it is actually a better nail gun and I don't even use the Hikoki now. From Australia.
The boys always ask to use my nailer when we're working with Rimu, the power is undeniable, but also the consistency. One thing that usually isn't mentioned either is the sound, they're so quiet in comparison. if you're framing up a new wall in an existing room, the sound reflection of the Paslode is like an explosion every time, even the braders are too loud.
Also you failed to mention paslodes are far more tempremental and break down more often. On site all the framers would be trying to find me to use my gun (the what was hitachi version)as it was the only one working
For me having a Pasload and a Milwaukee, I use them for different jobs, ect framing a roof and framing all day long with pine, I’m picking up a Pasload 100%. but any renovation jobs with native timber or some particular cladding or even just a quick fix up job needing a framer I’ll use my Milwaukee
I've tried them all, paslode, DeWalt, Milwaukee etc, but my favourite is the metabo (German) not the hpt. It's relentless, just keeps on going and the power is awesome 👍
@Gottesacker86 yep, basically the same gun as the hikoki but the metabo does feel better in the hand, not sure whether there is any difference in weight though? Them prebena guns aren't cheap!! They do look like a nice gun though 👍
@ Yea.... I decided pretty quick I wasn't going to be trying to import a Prebena to the U.S. just to try it out, haha! Interesting that the Metabo would feel different enough from the Hikoki.
In defense of a compressor/Pneumatic gun is that I can put 2 maybe 3 clips of nails in, when assembling a stick-cut frame this is a game changer, but I still hate the hose, cheers Scott.
One issue I had with the Hikoki is the size, more so than the weight. When you're working in a confined space it's difficult to find a firing angle, especially with older version's smaller nose.
All im looking for is a reason to get some more hikoki tools, to justify my urge to buy the triple hammer impact driver.. But this video just made me crave the paslode😅
nice,,good to see a next generation hikoki, I have the original one the noise contact upgrade will be great as old one horrible in wet weather..lack off a belt hock is poor though..I still like pasload for standing upright upside down
I don't have a framing nailer but I do have an 18 gauge brad nailer (Bostitch pneumatic) which I have used on many projects, mostly cabinets. I would say that if you have a compressor on site/workshop, pneumatic would be a no brainer. Power and cycle time can't be matched by gas or battery nailers. Pneumatic nailers seem to be dominant in the US where timber construction is the norm.
It kind of depends on what you are doing. I have both and use both on the jobsite. I am obviously not going to frame all the walls with a battery nailer, but I sure as he'll am going to use one in the trusses so my hose doesn't get caught on everything.
Scott, get to the important info, what feels best in the hand IE balanced, sometimes the weight isn't noticed if balanced correctly. What feels the best to use. I prefer EAG gear because they have found a way to make there gear just feel right in the hand.
As far as a cordless framing nailer goes I've been limping along with the same old Dewalt. I hate it but to me the only viable alternative was Milwaukee and I've held back .. simply because of the seemingly endless talk of Makita producing a framing nailer and my want to avoid battery system proliferation. I don't even think my Metabo batteries fit Hikoki .. certainly not my old Hitachi ones. My pneumatic nailers and pinners are Metabo and Cadex and I can't fault either. I'm vexed that the new Makita framing nailer is so heavy .. on paper aside from weight it ticks all of my boxes. I'm not certain that for my frequency of use the added weight will be an issue and I'm rarely monkeying about on a roof nailing trusses so maybe the extra weight won't be an issue for me at all. Looking forward to your review of the Makita.
I love your first impression Scott. I love that you guys use degrees science. But for us here in the land of double cheeseburgers and diet soda I think we would appreciate some degrees American on the screen as our public school system failed to show us how to convert.
I’m still with good old paslode and would love to switch to a battery only gun but I just can’t have that much weight. I’m a makita user as well but I think they’ve gone crazy with the weight of that one
I'm not a builder or framer, just diy with every timber you can imagine judging from what I've seen here I won't be replacing my old milwaukee any time soon side note, I got it second hand for half retail with 18 months use I've put maybe 10,000 nails through it and I've never had a single issue apart from a couple of dry fires when the battery is low the best part is after 18 months of it sitting in the shed I charged the battery and used it for a full day with no issue along side of my mate that has a paslode that was working fine before he went on holiday for 2 weeks then started acting up on every shot when he got back by the end of the day he asked if he could borrow my milwaukee while his paslode gets serviced ( after sevice is was just as bad so be got a new milwaukee) just my 2 cents..
I’ve never enjoyed using the Paslode. It’s noisy, smelly, and has far too many points of failure. The hikoki being heavier has an (albeit small) effect on why it actually sinks the nails
I got the chance to test the new hikoki nail guns yesterday. The framer was excellent, as you've demonstrated in this video. However, I was even more impressed with the new fixing gun, I'd definitely recommend getting your hands on one if you can.
@@alexharvey7102 in my opinion, yes. Apparently it is slightly heavier than the Milwaukee but I thought it was lighter initially, maybe just more ergonomic? My boss has the Milwaukee da nailer but complained that it wasn't sinking nails consistently so he's going to switch to the new hikoki. I do also just prefer hikoki as a brand over Milwaukee so I'm certainly biased.
I have the milwaukee m18 framer and it's been a real delight, though as a finish carpenter it's not a ceaseless day in day out tool for me. I do like the chance to use my pneumatic Hitachi framing nailer, if good beefy air supply is available (ie a compressor bigger than mine). It's from the early 2000's I believe, at least a generation older than the current ones, "the last good ones" I hear people saying. I was curious how the paslodes compared to cordless framers in terms of power, I will likely skip trying one given this comparison. Thanks!
What did they think of not providing us double hook like the Milwaukee did. Gotta buy the belt hook from Amazon someday. I am happy with the old green nailer thought, especially after I modify it by replacing a softer nose spring on it(bought from bunnings but make the gun more dangerous though). Only complaint is power is lacking when firing 90mm nails into LVL. Looking forward for a XGT framing nailer to shoot LVL. The green one is nimble I will keep rooting for it.
I’m a fabricator, so I guess we share a few common tools with chippies, and for me it’s all about the balance of a tool, heavy or not. If it’s not balanced feeling, I won’t use it. Especially hammers.
There’s doing a product review listing specs and pretending to be fully impartial, and then there’s Scott & Jess doing it full of delightful personality bits, celebrating bias (what’s useful to you) instead of pretending it’s not there, and still providing tons of super useful context along the way.
Thanks for making something that could have been a boring episode for folks who don’t need a nail gun still a lovely video to watch.
I’ve yet to purchase a nail gun since moving to a 100+ year old home over a year ago but it’s finally getting to close to slapping 2x4s during reno time, thanks for making that future decision so much easier.
i've might have said this before (nobody knows). but, you are the reason why i bought a hikoki framing nailer (the old one) and a finish nailer from hikoki, super happy with the both of them. and i'm just a hobbyist who used too much money on tools i don't actually need :)
I'm not convinced there's such a thing as a tool you don't need. There are only tools you haven't used yet. 😉
You don't need to justify buying tools - if you feel you might need it get it. The first time you use it on a job it will pay for itself.
I'm not a qualified builder but I do spend the money on professional tools. My dad who was a carpenter said to me "Never buy the cheapest, never buy the most expensive - go middle of the road and you won't go wrong".
Same here, this thing has been awesome
Great comparisons Scott… lovely garden too Jess! ⚒️🪚🌺🌻😎
I just got one. The finishers too. They're incredible. I genuinely have already put my orange nailers in my storage container. 💚💚💚
Been happy with my Milwaukee for almost 5 years. Been in the shop once under warranty at least 3 years ago and been flawless ever since. Looking forward to what Milwaukee can do in the Gen 2. Im on the Milwaukee platform so i probably wouldnt switch to Hikoki. Hikoki have knocked it out of the park though!
The Milwaukee framing nailer is the only reason why I have Milwaukee batteries, the rest of my tools are all Makita.
@BType13X2 are you gonna get the new makita to sync your kit?
@ Not until the Milwaukee dies its been working pretty good.
@@BType13X2 better start doing some forearm exercises haha
@@BType13X2I think all the Milwaukee nailer ( especially the generation ones ) are all good. I habe before also Metabo .. but switched to Milwaukee. I want reduce my Battery platforms ( before I had 5 now I have 3 ) / Milwaukee had a bigger selection like the new roofing coil nailer on nailers and in different sizes too( see just the 23ga pin nailer or the newer 18ga 1 1/2” finishing nailer ) … and more then a half of my tools are Milwaukee.
As a primarily repair carpenter, I have both battery and a paslode. When I’m helping with a framing job, I’ll use the battery operated. But when repairing a roof or crawling around a crawlspace, I’ll take the paslode for the reduced weight.
On ‘new’ builds, it’s easy to swing the weight around or set the framer down. But when I’m in tricky situations, which repair work gets me into a lot, that weight becomes an issue.
I bought the Hikoki NT1850 based on yours and Dean Doherty's recommendation, my only regret was not buying it sooner, going to treat myself to the 1865 angled when there's a battery redemption offer.
If it usable and Dean can fix it, it is a good tool 👍🏻
Your videos are so chilling. Definetly in New Zealand people live different lives
Cheers on 400k subscribers Scott & Jess. Keep it up!
this episode hits the nails on the heads.
That was awful but if it makes an impact, more power to you.
anything that can stick a nail in heart rimu is a winner to me.
I'm a Bosch user, but regarding nail guns I only own Hikoki. I think it's the best in quality/price.
I'm doing the exact same thing as you!
Bosch blue for most tools, now Hikoki for nailers. Couldn't be happier!
Bwwwaaahahaaa, and he's me thinking I was the only one, G'day brothers!
Joining the blue and green team 😁👍🏼 Bosch and Hikoki nailer and pin gun 👌🏼💯
Have been using the new Hikoki for a week now, agree with the belt hook situation it blew me away when I got it out of the box and there was nothing there 😮 FYI the belt hook from the old gun does fit if you bore out the mounting holes slightly. Another thing I'm not convinced about is the nail lockout system, it's no longer a mechanical lockout but a electronic lock out and looks extremely vulnerable exposed like that almost like an after thought.
moving weight to the back is VERY promising. The closer that weight is to your shoulder the less fatiguing they are. Not having to go around with a hammer to finish driving in nails also helps reduce fatigue.
What? The pivot point is your wrist and hand. Moving the weight further from that pivot make it more of a strain on the forearm. Nail guns get used on angles, sideways, on outside faces with the back pointing away from you, every which way and in quick succession. Making it longer, not just weight biased back, exacerbates that even further.
The handle is just a little farther forward is all, likely even better balanced
Thanks!
I hated the rafter hook on the hikoki framer when I got it. so I bought the hook that comes on the 16g hikoki nailer and put it on the magazine side hook mount, making it so much more user friendly!
Thank you! I’m going to buy one now. 😂
Tell Jess- the yard looks lovely!
Great video! This nailer has taken battery guns to the next level!
I bought one to replace my 6 year old paslode. Miter ten black Friday special. $750 including battery and charger. Not the lastest model and yes its heavy. But sooo much better. Quieter, cheaper to run and more powerful and no gas smells or gas canisters issues. The weight reduces kickback.
Got the extension mag in the usa thats awesome they brought a new one
Garden is looking great 😅
Excited to see the Makita review!! Cheers Scott!
Great video Scott can't wait to try this one in Canada! I hope they give you the new finish nailers to try out too
I've used the new finish nailers and they are excellent! I really hope Scott does a video on them
Has anyone used the 22g brad nailer? Not available in Australia 🙄 so am considering importing one from Japan.
@@kimjohnston417 you mean 23ga pin nailer? I don't think 22ga brads exist
I haven't used it
@ thanks - can’t even find it listed in Australia…
for production framers we are still multiple generations away from replacing air, but if you just do reno's or standing pre built walls, or back framing, battery is the way to go most of the time
I have the newest Milwaukee and it sucks driving long ring shanks. Just barely half way.
I’m still using the older model Hikoki gun, it’s about 4 years old now and still works a dream. Seeing as they still haven’t fixed the belt hook issue I won’t be upgrading to the new model.
Great review Scott,
If they bring out the new belt hook,
That’s the only let down I can see
I think I’ll get one later This year based on your review.
Hey, why not get one from Australia and just keep it to yourself ,
Bump Fire is the best thing ever
They shoot nails as quick as you can bounce the gun
There is something really satisfying about it, especially doing framing and sheet flooring
More so than the bradding guns
I love how hikoki is slowly getting more internet time these days
Admittedly, there range is small when compared with others, but they are a good brand for the price point, and haven't failed me yet.
Good review my friend
Great video, i think one other consideration with the milwalkee is that, i think, its not possible to top up the air tank at home, it must go to the service agent....
Ive been on the hikoki platform for the last 4 years and have been enjoying the benefits of the 36v power. Before i switched from my 18v makita gear to the 36v green gear i also found myself owning milwaukee framing and finishing guns which i have enjoyed. I do think i will be switching out my red guns to green ones with this update/weightloss program theyve been on.
I bought the 16g angled 2nd fix gun, after 3 dewalt ones stopped working after a few months of working each, they were constantly back for repairs. The hikoki was expensive, but it's worth it, only things I don't like is the hook on the wrong side for right-handed, and it can act up with different branded nails
On mine all the hooks are attached with machine screws, and I've been able to switch them out. Not sure about your model but there are holes on both sides of mine so I can switch sides. Best of luck!
Working in the UK , gas is often too cold to work. The Hikoki was much lighter than the Milwaukee which I actually went to buy, coupled with the 5 year warranty it was a no brainer. Been very happy with it. Been paslode and hilti nailers before, will never go back.
Great video mate! Nailed it👍
Well. That’s it then! I’ll just have to get one. It has recoil!! Thanks, Jess!
This gun was worth the weight!
I switched to dewalt framing nailers years ago and it was a disaster went straight back to paslode . I'm just about to swap to the 36v hikoki platform and the nailers were on the list . Going to have to wait on this to hit the market in the uk now
I see on the Dean Doherty channel on here (power tool repair guy) he’s always fixing Dewalt guns, either the switch or the main pin because someone has put oil on it. He doesn’t seem to think much of Milwaukee either from a repair perspective.
You can get used to the weight. You can’t make a tool set a nail past its max. Love the hitachi nailer with the miner gripes with the nose piece which do show up a few times a job. Still it’s a reliable nail shooter from the brad to the finish and framer.
Great they are still developing it. I've the old one and its still working great, Don't even bother with a Dewalt battery gun, noisy and slow firing rate
Nice review, I have the hikoki connector nailer and love it to bits.
Cordless Milwaukee framing nailers are impressive, but mine died within 3 years and Milwaukee wanted $200 to replace the cylinder inside because its nearly impossible to refill it. I ended up picking up a pneumatic Metabo HPT and now I'm all about pneumatic tools. They are just so much lighter in comparison!
I also have the 36v paper framer. They do make a larger hook thats like the first version but twice as wide (my main gripe with the included hook was it being so small) was about 35$
I can relate to Jess with those tools. I’d love to try them but I don’t build enough to justify owning.
I like how streamlined it looks now, too. I really hope the Metabo HPT-badged one doesn't follow too far behind because I really want it.
Very informative video. Thank you!
I've been using a Passcode IM350 and DeWalt DCN692 for nearly 6 years, and was considering replacing the DeWalt with the 930N but I'm finding with DeWalt the newer tools don't last 5 minutes, without some sort of issue. This led me to weeks and weeks of reading reviews and narrowing it down to the Hikoki and Milwaukee, I'm considering eventually moving all my tools away from DeWalt so taking that into consideration too. I do like the 5 year warranty with Hikoki too!
I've had the Metabo HPt (hikoki) for 2 or 3 years now. I'm a finish carpenter now so doesn't see as much use as when I did remodels. I like it just heavy, but works good. I don't keep it on my van anymore though, I have an air framer and prefer that for the few and far between times I need to add blocking etc.
I had a hitachi gas powered before i got the battery one. Must have spent more on the gas than i did on the initial purchase but still better than a hose for my situation.
I have a pasload famer, and I must say I have never had this problem with it not nailing to depth, on hardwood to hardwood (1900s house in Australia) I have the opposite, the battery only tool are good when you battery are new and fully charged but over time battery get old and they just don't seem to work as well, but you are right about it is cheaper without the gas, i have a makita brad nail gun and the thing is a peace of crap. I switch back to the air tool after a week, i should have got my money back lol
To add to this, I never understand the band loyalty that people show, i always go for the tool that is going to save me the most time and last, in most cases you kind stuck with the colour you have unless you wont more charges and battery's. I also think that's a good part of your video, I uses my tools pretty hard, I also use parts for tools am hammers and other things. and i brake them probably to often. i don't clean them as often I pick them up and use them until there is a problem. I mean its a tool at the end of the day its a tool that helps you do the job, the old saying that time is money and it is very true, labour is the most expansive part of the job and can vary the most. i also find it funny that people are to worried about braking there tools and teat them like a Faberge eggs. i also try not getting lock into a brands ecosystem when I can , when I was buying a coil gun i didn't go for the battery/Gas pasload because i could only use pasload nails in it, witch stopped my from finding cheaper nails or using nails from other brands and locked me into buying pasload nails only.
My mate had a 1st gen Hikoki and found it would turn off quite quickly (5mins or so), and then turning it back on was a two handed affair. The Milwaukee will stay on and ready to go even over smoko, and it’s possible to turn back on with one hand, a underrated feature if you’re up a ladder putting in a length with the other hand already busy. Recently got a 3.0 amp battery from Santa, game changer with the weight, but a kilo heavier… oooof.
You should test the brand new Paslode . It has bump fire , I got mine on an Instagram promotion the first week of September 2024 . It is a beast, even compared to the old ones.The Dewalt is actually the lightest battery powered. I had the new version of it for three years. It was pretty good. On a sidenote, I just bought the new Metabo HPT 18 gauge last week in a deal at Lowe’s. I am super impressed with it. I did a lot of trim with it this week.
He can't get a bump fire nailer in New Zealand.
@@luke8952 yeah I remember now partway through him saying that. That’s a bummer. I would be mad. 😅😂🤣
that looks so damned light and compact compared to all the others, I'm shook
I love where they put the buddins
Looks great, point well made. Still, you know battery platform, in the line with other tools, still a big fan of the Milwaukee.
Thanks. Keep em coming.
I have a Hikoki finishing gun, the loader spring bit brakes very easily ( so you can not put nails in the gun anymore) was under warranty but after 6 weeks of waiting, they charged for the repair which was exactly like the previous one done at no charge. Got a nail gun from DEWALT while waiting to get my nail gun back and it is actually a better nail gun and I don't even use the Hikoki now. From Australia.
I'm team Makita but that's a heavy nailer. Looking forward to the review. And 14:37. 😂
Thanks Jess for the loan of your scales
Great video Scott! Does the new model fit in between studs.
Hi Scott! Could you maybe talk about hearing protection? Different kinds/brands? Would be interesting!
We call our original battery powered hitachi framer The Screaming Eagle. We loved to hear it so much we got rid of the noisy compressors.
Your parter mate is hilarious at the b roll. I am in the trades. Would love for you to do a trim gun review of the new Bosch line. Looks VERY bulky
The boys always ask to use my nailer when we're working with Rimu, the power is undeniable, but also the consistency. One thing that usually isn't mentioned either is the sound, they're so quiet in comparison. if you're framing up a new wall in an existing room, the sound reflection of the Paslode is like an explosion every time, even the braders are too loud.
I use paslodes brand new framing nailer in the uk south wales and it can fire into anything thrown at it
Rory here saying hi too u jess a Scott Brown Carpentry awesome job man ‘’’’’’ 😊😊😊😊
Yea another awesome vids Scott Brown Carpentry vids for my DIY carpentry projects weekend must watching 😊😊😊😊😊
Also you failed to mention paslodes are far more tempremental and break down more often. On site all the framers would be trying to find me to use my gun (the what was hitachi version)as it was the only one working
For me having a Pasload and a Milwaukee, I use them for different jobs, ect framing a roof and framing all day long with pine, I’m picking up a Pasload 100%. but any renovation jobs with native timber or some particular cladding or even just a quick fix up job needing a framer I’ll use my Milwaukee
Thanks Scott great video . Good perspective.
I've tried them all, paslode, DeWalt, Milwaukee etc, but my favourite is the metabo (German) not the hpt.
It's relentless, just keeps on going and the power is awesome 👍
I've been really curious about how the Prebena nailer is. Looks to me that the Metabo is a version of the Hikoki/Metabo HPT version.
@Gottesacker86 yep, basically the same gun as the hikoki but the metabo does feel better in the hand, not sure whether there is any difference in weight though?
Them prebena guns aren't cheap!!
They do look like a nice gun though 👍
@ Yea.... I decided pretty quick I wasn't going to be trying to import a Prebena to the U.S. just to try it out, haha!
Interesting that the Metabo would feel different enough from the Hikoki.
In defense of a compressor/Pneumatic gun is that I can put 2 maybe 3 clips of nails in, when assembling a stick-cut frame this is a game changer, but I still hate the hose, cheers Scott.
You can put 2 sticks of nails in the Milwaukee with the extension.
One issue I had with the Hikoki is the size, more so than the weight. When you're working in a confined space it's difficult to find a firing angle, especially with older version's smaller nose.
my belt hook was rattling around in the bottom of my box. I nearly chucked it in the recycle.🤙
All im looking for is a reason to get some more hikoki tools, to justify my urge to buy the triple hammer impact driver.. But this video just made me crave the paslode😅
Have you used or tried the Dewalt nail gun with the flyweight? Is an interesting change again from those shown in your video.
nice,,good to see a next generation hikoki, I have the original one the noise contact upgrade will be great as old one horrible in wet weather..lack off a belt hock is poor though..I still like pasload for standing upright upside down
I don't have a framing nailer but I do have an 18 gauge brad nailer (Bostitch pneumatic) which I have used on many projects, mostly cabinets. I would say that if you have a compressor on site/workshop, pneumatic would be a no brainer. Power and cycle time can't be matched by gas or battery nailers. Pneumatic nailers seem to be dominant in the US where timber construction is the norm.
It kind of depends on what you are doing. I have both and use both on the jobsite. I am obviously not going to frame all the walls with a battery nailer, but I sure as he'll am going to use one in the trusses so my hose doesn't get caught on everything.
Scott, get to the important info, what feels best in the hand IE balanced, sometimes the weight isn't noticed if balanced correctly. What feels the best to use. I prefer EAG gear because they have found a way to make there gear just feel right in the hand.
Nailed it....
Can you swap the hooks over?
The Milwaukee with the extended capacity magazine is my go to nail gun, nothing else fits where it fits.
Hikoki is great, just wish mine was a bit lighter. I certainly know about it using it allday
As far as a cordless framing nailer goes I've been limping along with the same old Dewalt. I hate it but to me the only viable alternative was Milwaukee and I've held back .. simply because of the seemingly endless talk of Makita producing a framing nailer and my want to avoid battery system proliferation. I don't even think my Metabo batteries fit Hikoki .. certainly not my old Hitachi ones.
My pneumatic nailers and pinners are Metabo and Cadex and I can't fault either.
I'm vexed that the new Makita framing nailer is so heavy .. on paper aside from weight it ticks all of my boxes. I'm not certain that for my frequency of use the added weight will be an issue and I'm rarely monkeying about on a roof nailing trusses so maybe the extra weight won't be an issue for me at all.
Looking forward to your review of the Makita.
I love your first impression Scott. I love that you guys use degrees science. But for us here in the land of double cheeseburgers and diet soda I think we would appreciate some degrees American on the screen as our public school system failed to show us how to convert.
Got pumped when I saw a new video drop 😂
Its like a good kind of New Zealand drug.. Scott Brown Episodes leaves me coming back for more 😅
If you said that in Scotland it would have a completely different meaning...
Great I'm buying it when it's available in Canada
I’m still with good old paslode and would love to switch to a battery only gun but I just can’t have that much weight. I’m a makita user as well but I think they’ve gone crazy with the weight of that one
I'm not a builder or framer, just diy with every timber you can imagine
judging from what I've seen here I won't be replacing my old milwaukee any time soon
side note, I got it second hand for half retail with 18 months use
I've put maybe 10,000 nails through it and I've never had a single issue apart from a couple of dry fires when the battery is low
the best part is after 18 months of it sitting in the shed I charged the battery and used it for a full day with no issue along side of my mate that has a paslode that was working fine before he went on holiday for 2 weeks then started acting up on every shot when he got back
by the end of the day he asked if he could borrow my milwaukee while his paslode gets serviced ( after sevice is was just as bad so be got a new milwaukee)
just my 2 cents..
As for Paslode, maybe mine leaked but seemed like it was always out of gas.
Jess really nailed it.😂😂😂
She really drove home the point.
Haha the Kiwi making lord of the rings references.. if only Tolkien knew that he's an honorary Kiwi now.
Jess always brings it.
I’ve never enjoyed using the Paslode. It’s noisy, smelly, and has far too many points of failure. The hikoki being heavier has an (albeit small) effect on why it actually sinks the nails
I got the chance to test the new hikoki nail guns yesterday. The framer was excellent, as you've demonstrated in this video. However, I was even more impressed with the new fixing gun, I'd definitely recommend getting your hands on one if you can.
Better than the Milwaukee?
@@alexharvey7102 in my opinion, yes. Apparently it is slightly heavier than the Milwaukee but I thought it was lighter initially, maybe just more ergonomic?
My boss has the Milwaukee da nailer but complained that it wasn't sinking nails consistently so he's going to switch to the new hikoki.
I do also just prefer hikoki as a brand over Milwaukee so I'm certainly biased.
You forgot to add the weight of the hammer you need to carry, with the paslode to finish hammering in the nails.
5:20 - get the new one, and carburate on caffeine - still the same weight. That is a decent reason for me to spend money again :)
Love the paslode hanging down low, trollololol :-D
Nice piece of kit!
I have the milwaukee m18 framer and it's been a real delight, though as a finish carpenter it's not a ceaseless day in day out tool for me. I do like the chance to use my pneumatic Hitachi framing nailer, if good beefy air supply is available (ie a compressor bigger than mine).
It's from the early 2000's I believe, at least a generation older than the current ones, "the last good ones" I hear people saying. I was curious how the paslodes compared to cordless framers in terms of power, I will likely skip trying one given this comparison. Thanks!
What did they think of not providing us double hook like the Milwaukee did. Gotta buy the belt hook from Amazon someday. I am happy with the old green nailer thought, especially after I modify it by replacing a softer nose spring on it(bought from bunnings but make the gun more dangerous though). Only complaint is power is lacking when firing 90mm nails into LVL. Looking forward for a XGT framing nailer to shoot LVL. The green one is nimble I will keep rooting for it.
Seems all 3 options are fine if you want to stick to 1 battery system
being in construction over 20 years, heavy tools have never bothered me. if the heavier one has more umph than i'll grab the heavy one
I’m a fabricator, so I guess we share a few common tools with chippies, and for me it’s all about the balance of a tool, heavy or not.
If it’s not balanced feeling, I won’t use it. Especially hammers.
10:40 when was the air topped up on your old Hiloki? Just cause it could be the brand-new effect with the new one... 🤷♂️
I dislike the makita because they are not making enough tools for the 40v platform, they push you to get the 18v. Nice review.