How Menswear is Changing
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I’m a man and I wanna dress more interesting ways without putting on a skirt or something. It feels boring , so I’m excited for men’s wear to take it up a notch. I definitely can shop in the women’s section and find some cool stuff though. So a little is on me but I wish men’s had the same options and variety as women’s . So in time I hope things change
Some skirts are fire bro, deff get at least 1 in your closet (source the young thug dress+yohji)
Wear a kilt. A simple solution. It looks powerful without being boring. Because a kilt is never boring.
I like looking at the clothes that aristocratic men, medieval pirates and fantasy characters wear like cloaks, frocks and ruffle shirts and wish we still had those.
@@thegreendorito9515 "a kilt is never boring" is from a group of guys who go commando when they wear them
@@greyfox4838 i mean, have you tried to wear them?
There's a reason aristocrats had servants to help them dress and the others always looked like a mess.
as a girl into fashion (moreso women’s because i identify with it more) i adore your channel although I may not be the target audience. it’s nice to see recurring themes in men’s wear and taking bits and pieces of them. I’ve been using the kibbe body type and color season theory to define the most “flattering” way for me to dress, and playing around with it. that tends to be how female fashion channels judge how well a woman’s outfit is styled, and for men it’s a completely different ball field to me.
I usually love taking from more “masculine” silhouettes like large leather jackets contrasted with mini dresses or outfits “in my lines,” it gives a nice contrasting and edgy look. i also don’t feel like i’m trying too hard to appear feminine or masculine in that manner, bc it feels as if it looks offputting if i try 100% one or the other seeing as I also have a masculine face. more like i’m wearing a costume and it’s not authentic to me.
Interesting, I only have brief experience with kibbe, I guess because I didn't find it to be that helpful with men but because your comment I think I'll look into it again, might be the topic of a future video thanks!
@@fashionlover4 yeah it’s more popular amongst women, it does focus on bone structure width/angularity and height regardless of weight so usually it’s very consistent with women. but there’s also “face type” which i haven’t at all seen applied to men. but with men in kibbe it’s a greater focus on the “delicateness” of bone structure and height in men in regards to their fashion. hence why kibbe has explanations for why some men look “overpowered” in women’s clothing not styled that well, such as harry styles. i think ellie jean royden has shorts discussing some men’s kibbe types. also thanks, i enjoy your channel!
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I think there’s a place for everything in fashion, but i personally don’t like this trend of menswear trying so hard to be androgynous, as i don’t feel like it’s authentic at all
If you happen to be a man who likes womenswear thats cool and vice versa
But just putting "feminine" colors, silhouettes, and skirts on guys feels kinda cheap to me (like trying to cash in on current gender discussion)
I lean towards the idea of androgyny in fashion being absolutely neutral, almost separate to traditional mens/womenswear instead of trying to homogenize both
In my opinion menswear should start to explore masculinity in away that is more natural, take the silhouette if some traditional menswear from other cultures for example:
Men wear skirt like garments in so many cultures, which could be seen by western society as feminine, but that’s the thing, it’s not! Showing skin is something many masculine cultures do, just not the same way women do, why not explore those avenues (which also improves true inclusion?)
Im not saying that we shouldn’t experiment with mixing things up, but if you would actually explore menswear in history, you would find how broad the menswear spectrum goes!
I feel like there’s a reason why men wear different clothes to women and vice versa, some silhouettes are just more flattering for certain bodytypes
But the skirt of a man and the skirt of a woman are different (if you want to choose the other that’s absolutely fine, but don’t erase the "male skirt" just to make fashion more androgynous)
A lot of menswear history and culture would be lost, if the industry decides to just inject womenswear into menswear
Have a nice day everyone 👍🏼
Good point about menswear through out history, I mentioned in my history of modern menswear video that men only started dressing more understated was because of people like Beau Brummel in 1800s, but before then mens fashion looked completely different with all sorts of togas that the Romans wore as an example.
I think the future will makw genders aspects even more liquid, so i totally see fashion becoming ultimately androgynous
@@frazyfrog to me, it looks more like most clothing will become standardized
i literally havent seen anyone not wearing slacks/jeans and a tshirt/blouse in the last week so might be getting skewed by that tho
My wife chuckles at how I dress too young for my age which I suppose I do. I'm using pink as a legit color... for me that's a change. The older I get the more I abandon a uniform and just dress what I feel.
That's good to hear, check out ml_hades on instagram, he's an older guy that really doesn't let that hold him back at all in how he dresses
like you mentioned, many young men have turned to influencers like andrew tate almost as a beacon of safety from having to question whether their identity as a male is *really* the centerpiece of who they are as a person. at the same time, young men interested in fashion wish to explore their masculinity and male identity while still identifying as male. i hope that through the changes in the idea of masculinity, more men can see their identity as something freeing rather than restrictive. most men have been raised with a singular idea of what it means to be a man and are only now being introduced to the idea that being a man can be interpreted in many different ways. I will be interested to see what generation will be raised with this more fluid version of masculinity, and what will they take from that to interpret in their clothing.
i do think the whole gender-bending discussion in fashion is getting a little stale as more people have stopped caring about looking like a specific archetype of gender. it was crazy and new like 60 years ago. i'd like to see more exploration on how other things dictate the way we dress (and how we subvert that) such as race, body shape, age
Great insight, I also want masculinity to be seen as a freeing rather an restrictive idea, I think there are just too many extreme takes on where it should go that end up with a lot of insecure guys tending to go towards someone like Tate rather than exploring who they are themselves without pressure which is why I think gentler approaches might work better
@@buttercup3527 I agree and all of those other aspects make me excited to see where fashion goes considering in the past everything was a lot more uniform in terms what you had to wear. With the explosion of all types of designers I feel like fashion will inevitably get better as more people adopt different mindsets towards fashion.
@@buttercup3527 i am not in to fashion right now (i love art though, so i am developing more of an interest for it, and this channel was recommended to me and interested me), but i really agree with this point of other things dictating the way we dress. i think that the things that you mentioned (race, body shape, and age) are not represented well enough in fashion from what ive seen. more exploration in that area would allow people like me to connect more to the fashion industry.
Do you really wonder if “being a man” is NOT the central identifier for these MEN?
Cmon man….
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I think I'm always underwhelmed by these conversations since, in the western world, women's fashion has been influenced by menswear for so long that a lot of so called 'androgyny' looks like basic, normal clothing (a tee, pants) on someone who looks "more androgynous." Skirts are just the last hold out of that, so it seems like it should have caught on. I think the real question is whether or not people (but particularly men) will ever be open to dressing in a way that's more vulnerable to interpretation to the viewer (i.e. ornate/figure flattering) than for just utility. The items that combines both (like those shorts with a ruffle) seem like it should have easily caught on, but considering a lot of the major shifts in men's fashion have been based around utility (streetwear, gorpcore, techwear) while the ones in women's have been based on aesthetics (dark academeia, cottagecore, barbiecore,) I don't think we're headed in that direction yet. Any further changes won't be coming from runways, since the designers have just done their jobs in showing us the possibilities and capitalizing on what's marketable, and further progress requires we buy into those ideas; it feels like it's not a new conversation since we're just now considering things brought up decades ago. A new way of gender fluid or androgynous dressing is a reach when we're just now humoring the societal shifts that even make it a possibility.
all the fashion creators droppin this month damn
Which others do you recommend
@@MinecraftKid120 akaibu and yourfashionarchive (for shows) and thefashionroadman, fhtv, the fashion elitist and this is antwon are all good to listen to if u wanna hear someone talk
@@MinecraftKid120 frugal aesthetic, drew joiner, harry has, greg ntore, threaducation, whats the hype, understitch and karsten kroening are all pretty good
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I remember you and I talking about this on the pod! Love to see you flush out your thoughts on this.👏
The problem with for example the yellowish crop top look from Acne is that that is not androgynous, putting men in womens pieces is not androgynous. It's about exploring what you can do with clothing without taking away from the persons "manliness" so to speak, how much skin can you show without it being too feminine. I don't like the idea of putting a man in a skirt and being like oh wow androgyny how great. And its not because the skirt was traditionally a womenswear piece. You have to somewhat navigate around what is considered manly and feminine while pushing the boundaries ever so slightly more and more. Not just put men into skirts. To me personally it just looks odd and it really does not do a good job in bringing androgyny to the straight man.
Ik this comment is like 2 months old but what did you feel about kiko's way of changing mens fashion?, personally i like his approach as I think we should take influence from fem fashion and shape it around the boxy shape men have to look good and not just simply copy and paste like you said, and also make new basic clothes types and styles for men that are female inspired and work for various body shapes of men not sure how it would work out but kikos way seems like the step in the right direction.
@@matthewpalacios7672 Kiko's one good example that pulls it off really great, Haider Ackermann was another one, there are a few that do it well but no mainstream designer is really making a change when it comes to menswear
@ODIN XRK thanks for responding, I'll for sure check out Haider Ackermann, and hopefully we can see mainstream take this approach to feminine men's fashion instead of how they are doing it now but it'll take a while
Really love the way you analyze and criticize fashion! I‘m thrilled for the upcoming videos:)
For brands just allowing men to wear women's clothes these days is just LAZY! We need the creative design to adapt to gender fluidity
Happy to see you around again, great video and topic as well. I love the point you make of the androgenous look being a gap too big from menswear; I'm excited to what this is aiming for, it feels so refreshing.
I'll try to start thinking of ways to implement this in my own wardrobe, thanks for your commentary!
As a straight toxically masculine man, i love crop tops, they look better on us anyway.
god you've got so many good takes and analysis its crazy.
Learning a lot from your videos , can’t wait for the next ones!
you always bring something interesting to the table, good work
Bro please be consistent every week drops 🙏🏽😂
Really interesting takes, love the presentation!
I don't think the abrupt ending does you a favor. I and probably many other people like to go back and review main aspects and cool fashions after finishing watching.
By ending so abruptly, TH-cam spits out the next video or ad, which makes reviewing and rewinding uncomfortable.
Maybe you could look into creating an end card with own recommendations for ~10secs?
Interesting, I hadn't considered this, I'll keep it in mind in future!
"No thanks, bro"
It would be interesting to interview people who don’t conform to typical expressions of gender and what they seek out of their clothing. Get to know their philosophy or how they work through putting an outfit together.
as a transfemme non-binary person who expresses myself with a high level of fluidity between the masculine and feminine fashions I would love an opportunity to discuss my thought processes behind what I wear. Also I know plenty of other folks like myself in my community and they similarly would be very interesting people to interview, although most of us are also incredibly poor which is a limitation on access to high fashion but we find a way to make do and many of us are pretty stylish regardless
As a non binary person with a boys body I was never interested in the “showing skin” “feminine” way of androgyny dressing. Unfortunately I guess it’s a more explicit way to create a statement for your own sexuality visually very quickly. But still I really enjoy wearing womenswear because that gives me joy. I always think about how would a skirt be designed if it was intended for the male body. How can we treat traditionally feminine items like skirts or dresses just another clothing option for everyone?
And I think it would be awesome if the fashion industry dive in a bit more into this idea that you are highlighting in your video and simply treat a design as a design instead of whether it belongs on a man or a woman.
Well the kilts worn in Scotland are a great example of what men's skirts can look like
Great video really insightful on the current trends
Nice to see your masculinity video recommendations, FD is the goat
Very much needed topic 🫶🏾
love more feminine fashion, mostly cos I'm also very lefty as you hahah, and am fascinated by stereotypes/ norms and taboos and breaking it. Just can't find much in stores, but that also comes with the issue of materialchoices and I prefer not to buy synthetic and even tho, I'm not afraid to shop in woman's section, it's just so hard to find something really interesting and not made from polyester in the same time. So now I'm battling with my fear of failure and getting courage to start sewing my own stuff
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Bro, you need that sweet sweet greenscreen again :)
Looks just so much nicer
I'll figure something out it just wasn't working for me how I liked
Fashionlover4, you're super cool (and hot, not in a creepy way). also, referencing Old London is just .... floored. On the topic of what some brands understand as feminine fashion, as a not so thin non-binary person, I gotta say that all the cropping and exposed chests - while defo having a place in fashion - aren't suitable for many fashion consumers, be it due to their body issues and/or religion, etc. I generally prefer the 1980s and 1990s oversize take on womenswear by Japanese brands.
For sure, showing skin is not the only way forward for more reasons than gender connotations, good point!
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Very interesting take! I think you should look into trans men and women who are comfortable with expressing feminity/masculinity in their styles post transition. It shows that yes, while wearing something that aligns with societies expectations of your gender can make one feel euphoric at times, the confidence and stability in ones own identity can make it so that one stops caring about what society dictates. It could maybe make you think of new perspectives on this topic. Waiting on your next video
Being trans has opened the floodgates of fashion. When you stop worrying over what the world may think of you/perceive you as, you gain the freedom to be your truest self. It’s magical
@@andreja9425 oh please, everyone trans person out there seems embarassed and depressed half the damn time. Multiple people staring at you everywhere you go. Only people in New York City can pull this fashion off, everywhere else looks at this in disgust
@@jonnyfendi2003 I live in the midwest and I get compliments on my outfits and how I look pretty much every time I go out. I get a lot of stares too but many are positive. Sure I’ve had a lot of sketchy crap happen to me too, but overwhelmingly my fashion brings positivity to my life. My goal is not necessarily to please or impress others though, I find dressing up to be very fun in its own right, and I will do so for the most mundane occasions just out of the sincere joy of it. I feel no embarrassment walking in public. Sometimes I fear for my safety and sometimes I feel pity for those who are so scared to be themselves that they lash out or are filled with ire at the sight of people like me who dare to be themselves authentically. However I do not feel any shame about who I am or how I present, only love. My pity extends to you too, hopefully one day you will cleanse yourself of the ugly hatred that spoils your mind
@@andreja9425 oh please
you telling me light blue jeans with dark blue t-shirt and dark blue shoes doesn't work anymore?
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JW Anderson's fall from grace is happening before our very eyes.
Honestly, I've started seeing dissent from others online
still making incredible content. keep up the great work papa
I think my problem is unless a look is Ultra feminine e.g a tight short dress.
I cannot make a clear difference between a men’s look and a women’s look
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what's the vice clip you cut to several times in the vid? thanks!
I keep watching videos about high fashion. And I always leave the video with the opinion that it all looks terrible, regardless of whatever meaning might or might not be behind it. If it looks bad it looks bad, there is no amount of explanation that will change that.
thankyou teacher!
great video
I can do a lot better than them in making an androgynous fashion sense in my opinion. I luv to mix aspects of masculine and feminine fashion together to craft a unique and powerful look.
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I feel this video so much. I have a very masculine build and feel more or less excluded from the androgynous fashion world. The ideal here is still extremely thin, extremely tall and generally fine and feminine, not masculine and coarse. I think that many men are like me and we can only watch the current fashion world, every inspiration cannot be implemented in everyday life because the clothing was not designed for our bodies, even if we really like it and would like to wear it . I really wish that there could be more tall and wide bodies in fashion and that cuts would become more variable.
It’s probably due to the harsh contrast that a broad frame would make with feminine silhouettes. Would probably be jarring and disruptive to look at
@@will506 Well recognized, Sherlock. My intention behind this comment was not to answer the question of whether a masculine body fits in with the current androgynous ideals, but rather the vision that masculinity and femininity do not necessarily have to be mutually exclusive, but that there are currently few or no specific fashion designers for them. Even a masculine body has “feminine parts” that can be emphasized.
Great video :D
Mans hit puberty with that first “hi, you miss me?”
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What brand is the middle look at 0:29?
Who realized the changing color clothes that you shown as clips in the video?
This exact idea has been itching my mind with men's fashion but I could never really tell why. Thank you fashinlover4 for pinning it straight on the nose
great video😎😎
Irish man in fashion, subscribe for sure
Interesting take
And I've only walked like that when I inadvertently walked into the back streets of Barcelona where the police patrol in threes and the roads are not tarmacked.
Life is too short to worry about negative opinions or to wait for change in the male fashion industry and social acceptance. Men's Ready 2 wear and men's mass retail fashion is always going to take the conservative safe route. So, best to simply goto the women's section or order from some niche manufacturers to incorporate feminine clothes into your outfit of the day.
Alexander McQueen is doing it perfectly.. very tailored but definitely not classic.. taking cues on cuttings and style lines that has been present with womenswear for the longest time. Realizing that it also looks good with mens
Good, as it should
another banger
hey what was that last fashion show omg?
Acne Studios FW23 ready-to-wear
i think tatsuro horikawa of julius and hedi slimane actually nail androgyny, creating androgynous silhouettes without having to "force" womenswear components into the clothing.
pretty nice video
What is that kind of headwear called at 11:10?
I'm not sure if there is a specific name for it to be honest, I've never seen something like it before, I guess we'll have to wait for when Kiko sells it on his store and see what he calls it lol.
Kiko terry hoodie looks cozy as a mf
book recommendations?
i did miss you. :(
have you ever thought about getting into hong kong fashion designers?
i missed you...
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10:14 middle model looks like Gash from Zatch Bell
missed u
i find it intriguing when a cis- man chooses to wear skirt. are they peacocking? are they androgynous? are they having a laugh? all three? i love it.
lmaoo dis da main reason why i feel back from fashion. errybody doesn't have to make androgynist clothing. feels forced
we love da patriarchy yippee
Normalise looking like a jjba character
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Women's clothing has been becoming more and more masculine over the last century, to the point where there are women who never wear dresses. But as clothing casualised, it's become more clear how boring men's clothing is. I think androgyny will be the ultimate result.
Tbh men was dressin kinda fruity in the 70s-80s and women loved it, if I was more in shape I'd dress a little more androgynous because it's more stylish and fashionable
Btw why are you number 4?
Not sure if I could be considered top 3 but maybe one day
Experimenting with gender identity and in a way express it through clothing are always a privilege.
Do you watch One Piece
They literally doing transition from jojo part 4 to part 5.
personally, i prefer dressing like i'm about to shoot bears.
I prefer a naturist lifestyle.
Im early but im nonbinary but was assigned male at birth and I think you hit it right on the nail, i believe what we're going to see and what we need to see is gender being represented as a spectrum in fashion like how it actually is in the real world, we'll still have masculine, feminine, and androgyne but im hoping for alot of different perspectives being shown, thank you so much and have a nice day!
Can we see your fits mr fashion lover pls
smh they are literally copying ecco2k
Wanna go on a date?
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I wish I could wear fuicking long skirts but here in South Italy they'd gun me down on the street and call me a f*.... most definitely. 100% Straight guy, just a big fan of womens' fashion.
Buy a kilt and say you have Scottish ancestry 😂
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moar like...
gen-CRINGE.
I don't think menswear is changing. Men will continue to wear menswear and not adjust it to any new fashion vision. Menswear will always be menswear. The only people who will adopt androgyny are the androgynous. So I don't think there is much change to be had with menswear. Designers have sent men in dresses down runways for decades, it hasn't really done anything to what normal people wear.
Ultimately going towards a androgynous society is not necessarily progress.
I'm 100% in favor of going back to tunics for everyone. Pants are a pain in the ass to make and none of us ride horses daily any more.
I hope clothes become completely androgynous and we do away with “womenswear” and “menswear”
no no no no
i think that’s a bit unnecessary as clothes are inherently androgynous u know. just depends on how u choose to style garments
I love the rise of androgynous wear, but I think there should still be space for traditional womens and mens wear as long as people enjoy wearing them and creators enjoy exploring them
A lot of women wear men’s clothes but not the other way around, so I think this doesn’t make sense, also we already have unisex clothes.
Just my opinion I’m no fashionista.
androgyny is not 'modern'. it's just a forced aesthetic.
its here to stay, whether yo ass like it or not
They smell the money😂
i didnt miss you i miss her
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fashionluver4, however I don't use it