Just havin' a song on hold IMHO should be a little victory to be quietly celebrated, independent or not. A lesson I learned early on when one of my songs was picked for an upcoming movie, I told all my family and buddies "Hey I got a sync placement on an HBO movie; only to find out later from the producers that they had cut my song from a full credit roll feature to only eight seconds in the middle. Still a nice placement but it taught me the hard lesson of remaining thankful and humble. Just Sayin Y'all
@@jimmystuckeysongs3859 the same thing happened to me in Hollywood they asked who could play guitar I said me I played guitar in a scene next day and invited all my friends and people to watch preview big event only to see like two seconds back of my head and cut,,,horrified,,, humbling to say the least that's why I came to Nashville to get more,,,
I had a hit writer friend from social media approach me about co-writing an idea he had. The idea was a non-starter in my mind from the beginning. but he was a friend, and I was honored, that he thought I could bring something to the party. We kept sending revisions back and forth for months, I was considering faking my own death to get out from under it:) Moral of the story, honesty is the best policy, no matter how bad it hurts, in all aspects.
Thanks guys, you just got a new sub - these videos are super helpful as someone who's a few years into songwriting, and can't seem to stop now that I've started. Random question - Marty mentioned songspace...is that sort of the "go to" among songwriters for managing and sharing catalogs? I do the usual google cloud stuff, but just curious if that is maybe a better place for organization and collaboration? TIA if you see this 🙏
As Pat Pattison has said " 90% of your work is not your best 10%". That's a hard concept for many creators to grasp but no matter how you twist it, the math works.
Question: How do you guys deal with pitching to artists/A&Rs who can't make out the potential of a song, who pretty much needs it finished in order to understand..? Do you demo produce yourself good enough or do you only take bounces from a session with a producer? I'm a writer who's learned how to produce and is now both, but I was struggling for a long time trying to pitch with just work tapes or unfinished productions.
Not a simple answer. Really dependss on the genre of music, your relationship to whom your pitching to, and the style of the song. Country doesn't want full production. Sync and pop does. (so maybe you put together a team of collaborators with a track guy) Often in the christian music world they just want song starts. Not completed songs. But always, no matter how stripped down it is, make it sound professional. Even if it's a piano/vocal. Don't have poor vocals, etc. SongTown.com teaches our members to connect and learn the business. There's lots to learn but it can be learned quickly.
"(Can't Burn a Bridge) Made of Stone" - a song about a friendship/family that can survive anything. Could be a hit. Could be crap! Title might need work. 😅Lol. Just got that idea from this video and thought I'd share if anyone wants to mess with it!
I was writing a song with someone remotely where he sent me a sheet of lyrics and I put music to it. We messaged each other back and forth and we both agreed that we had something good but that it could be improved. Then all of a sudden I stopped hearing back from him. There's no been no activity on his SongTown profile for the past 3 months nor any email replies from him. He is and old man so that's got me fearing the worst lol What would you do in a situation like that where you suddenly stop hearing back from a cowriter for whatever reason? Should I just take my melody and put my own lyrics to it if I never hear back from him? Or how long would you wait for a reply before you decide to do something else with the song?
Hi, if you’re asking what I’d do… for me personally I would leave that song alone and write a new song and melody today and tomorrow. Maybe you’ll hear from him in the future if there’s some life event going on. I’ve written 5,000 songs, so I don’t usually take a part of a song back. I move on and write a new one today. -CM
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Sounds like Marty had a reverse “Cinderella” situation on that tragic title 🤣 Pleasure as always hearing you gentleman!
Just havin' a song on hold IMHO should be a little victory to be quietly celebrated, independent or not.
A lesson I learned early on when one of my songs was picked for an upcoming movie, I told all my family and buddies "Hey I got a sync placement on an HBO movie; only to find out later from the producers that they had cut my song from a full credit roll feature to only eight seconds in the middle. Still a nice placement but it taught me the hard lesson of remaining thankful and humble. Just Sayin Y'all
I had the same thing happen before. Still a victory! ❤️ -Clay
@@jimmystuckeysongs3859 the same thing happened to me in Hollywood they asked who could play guitar I said me I played guitar in a scene next day and invited all my friends and people to watch preview big event only to see like two seconds back of my head and cut,,,horrified,,, humbling to say the least that's why I came to Nashville to get more,,,
I had a hit writer friend from social media approach me about co-writing an idea he had. The idea was a non-starter in my mind from the beginning. but he was a friend, and I was honored, that he thought I could bring something to the party. We kept sending revisions back and forth for months, I was considering faking my own death to get out from under it:) Moral of the story, honesty is the best policy, no matter how bad it hurts, in all aspects.
Haha, Been there! ~CM
Thanks guys, you just got a new sub - these videos are super helpful as someone who's a few years into songwriting, and can't seem to stop now that I've started. Random question - Marty mentioned songspace...is that sort of the "go to" among songwriters for managing and sharing catalogs? I do the usual google cloud stuff, but just curious if that is maybe a better place for organization and collaboration? TIA if you see this 🙏
Good to meet ya! Songspace was great but recently went out of business. Most writers have switched to DISCO or SessionStudio now. ~CM
@@SongTownUSA good to know, thanks Clay!
As Pat Pattison has said " 90% of your work is not your best 10%". That's a hard concept for many creators to grasp but no matter how you twist it, the math works.
Often yes… For me, it really depends on what stage of your development you are. A writer can go on long tears of amazing work. -CM
It's too early for math,,,but don't be sad,,, cause two out of three ain't bad,,,
Appreciate all the insight. The more I learn about the business and songwriting, one resounding theme keeps coming to mind: Its not about me.
Music is about all of us :) Write on!
good advice!
Thanks!
Question:
How do you guys deal with pitching to artists/A&Rs who can't make out the potential of a song, who pretty much needs it finished in order to understand..? Do you demo produce yourself good enough or do you only take bounces from a session with a producer?
I'm a writer who's learned how to produce and is now both, but I was struggling for a long time trying to pitch with just work tapes or unfinished productions.
Not a simple answer. Really dependss on the genre of music, your relationship to whom your pitching to, and the style of the song. Country doesn't want full production. Sync and pop does. (so maybe you put together a team of collaborators with a track guy) Often in the christian music world they just want song starts. Not completed songs. But always, no matter how stripped down it is, make it sound professional. Even if it's a piano/vocal. Don't have poor vocals, etc. SongTown.com teaches our members to connect and learn the business. There's lots to learn but it can be learned quickly.
"(Can't Burn a Bridge) Made of Stone" - a song about a friendship/family that can survive anything. Could be a hit. Could be crap! Title might need work. 😅Lol. Just got that idea from this video and thought I'd share if anyone wants to mess with it!
It has to have a bridge in it, I suppose 🙄😊
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I was writing a song with someone remotely where he sent me a sheet of lyrics and I put music to it. We messaged each other back and forth and we both agreed that we had something good but that it could be improved. Then all of a sudden I stopped hearing back from him. There's no been no activity on his SongTown profile for the past 3 months nor any email replies from him. He is and old man so that's got me fearing the worst lol
What would you do in a situation like that where you suddenly stop hearing back from a cowriter for whatever reason? Should I just take my melody and put my own lyrics to it if I never hear back from him? Or how long would you wait for a reply before you decide to do something else with the song?
Hi, if you’re asking what I’d do… for me personally I would leave that song alone and write a new song and melody today and tomorrow. Maybe you’ll hear from him in the future if there’s some life event going on. I’ve written 5,000 songs, so I don’t usually take a part of a song back. I move on and write a new one today. -CM
Clay Loud,,, wearing Play Loud,,,
Live loud and play loud!
Sounds like classic sellers remorse. Someone buys at your asking price and you think, I should have asked for more...
Or maybe just excited that good things were happening and wanted to see how far they could go. ~CM :)
@@SongTownUSA Good point!
@@zvw444x3zefa I try to remember when I first started out as a writer. I made all the same mistakes. lol Thx for joining in on the conversation! !CM