Don't know if you know this, but the reason the ending was so happy themed was that the director woke up, and felt too attached to the characters to give them a sad ending.
I think you're missing something about the whole "birthday" aspect with Luke. The anniversary of an addict going sober is called a birthday, so when we see the siblings celebrating Luke's second birthday, they're actually celebrating his second year of going sober.
I disagree about the ending. I couldn’t have thought of a better one, I really loved it. Just because it’s a horror show doesn’t mean a tragic ending is required. I really did not want Luke to die, and Nell saved him, and Hugh saved him and the rest of his children by convincing Olivia to let them go. It was bittersweet, and with the characters given to us, I think it worked.
Lauren Frey same, I think the casting for Luke was really good, little kid luke is so precious. Seeing old Luke die would feel like seeing little Luke die
To be fair, they DID pave the road for the introduction to the Dudley's kid. The Dudleys talk about her all the time but until the end we haven't actually seen her. Luke talks about this "Abby" that he hangs out with all the time but his brother and sisters tease him about having imaginary friends, so we, the viewers, assume she's a ghost. But it turns out she was real the whole time and the Dudley's sheltered daughter. I didn't think that was a bad reveal because if you had been paying attention, you might have seen it coming. The minute I saw her, I immediately put it together: "Oh shit, Abby's real and she's the Dudley's daughter...they've tried to keep her out of the house all this time...oh fuck, this isn't going to end well."
Ya I realized abby was real and the dudley's daughter pertty soon but I didn't want to accept she just dies after the story about the still birth. I knew she was real but I didn't want to accept it. They did set it up well to make you question though, which is part of the psychological horror
@@nikkiesweet7939 when did we see her before the final episode? I can't remember her ever showing up, only being mentioned by young Luke and him drawing her.
@@jimboa20 I can't remember the episode, probably the one focusing on Luke, he's sitting outside with Abby and talking, I think about the tall floating ghost.
This was, without doubt, one of the most powerful, effective, well written, and sorrowful ghost stories I've ever seen. This show really cut me to the core emotionally, and I haven't felt this much empathy for a set of fictional characters in years. EDIT* Also, weird, I haven't talked to one person who said they hated the ending. I thought it was fantastic and I actually teared up a bit.
Too me what kills the ending is the damn song in the background. What happens with the Dudleys is a tragedy. They hear their stillborn baby crying. Their daughter dies. Despite all their attempts to keep away from the house, it gets them in the end. And the super cheesy light rock song makes Clara now getting taken by the house seem like a happy ending where she finally gets to be with her family. It's not.
It just depends, from what I've heard is that the people who judge it as a horror series don't like it because they have certain expectations, people who just watch it as a show, not necessarily a horror show, seem to have less of an issue with it or even like it.. So it's all, like everything, perspective and preference
@@nateputerbaugh5709 so true even the father dying and joining the wife, she was not the same person she was before losing her mind to the house, very selfish and even letting him kill himself ( i don't believe, because of how she was presented, she would have been that way outside of the house) and how she stares at the camera while Nellie and her hug the husband... I really didn't feel it was a positive or happy ending, it was bitter...the house is still there and will still not be destroyed because the family now lives here, so the house still " won"... And i really feel alot of people don't seem to feel that perspective..
@@nateputerbaugh5709 I listened to the song before this show was even announced, and to me, it's more of a bittersweet song. Hell, the song is apparently about a guy who's wife dies in a house, and he goes crazy.
Why is everyone saying the ending is bad? I loved the ending and thought they did the entire final episode perfectly, my wife agrees too. It was completely foreshadowed, they didn't get out unscathed, and it kept it within the themes of the show.
For me what ruins the ending is the super cheesy light rock song playing in the background. What happens with the other family in particular is a tragedy, and the music makes it seem like a happy ending
@@nateputerbaugh5709 how is it not a happy ending? The caretakers got to be with their children. The father got to be with his wife and the wife didn't kill her remaining children. The drug addict has been clean for 2 years, the oldest brother is having a baby, the oldest sisters husband didn't leave her, and the middle sister has allowed someone in. People today as so cynical they WANT a gory bad ending to a haunting story. I find that sad. We got death, we got blood but we also got heart and and easy way to continue the story through Steve the new landlord.
@@MamaMOB Ok sure. Luke gets clean. We can call that part a bittersweet to happy ending. The Dudleys under no circumstances are a happy ending. We've been told for 9 1/2 episodes how evil the house is and how it will do anything to make you think the right thing is for you to die inside of it. They hear their stillborn baby crying. Their daughter is murdered inside. And despite all their attempts to get away from the house, they're all stuck there forever. So yes it seems in the moment "great I get to spend eternity with my daughter." Its a fools bargain. The house as we're told throughout wants you to think that. In reality, you're stuck in limbo, decaying for eternity. That is a tragic ending, not a happy ending.
yeah, all that sounds like your making your own fanfiction, if you ask me. we're literally shown everything as a happy ending and everything you're arguing are assumptions. i'm sorry, did you read the script for season 2? no? then don't assume you know what the director wants to do. besides, did you miss the part where all the ghosts stood and pose for a happy group family photo with cheesy happy music in the background? they were malevolent beings 9 1/2 episodes ago, tormenting and killing the main cast. now everybody is getting along all of a sudden? yeah, terrible ending.
When it comes to the Dudleys at the end of the finale and people not understanding how seeing and being with their children again in Hill House is, in a sense, a happy-ish ending, more bittersweet than anything really, but I think Steve actually summed it up perfectly in the first episode when he's speaking with the lady who saw her dead husband. He told her that people often see what they want to see in times of grief to which she asks him why she would WANT to see him like that, Steve says its because its better than never seeing them again. Being with those you love, even if its in a place like Hill House, is better than not being with them outside of it. Thats how I took it and I loved it.
Didn't have a problem with the ending at all, it was perfectly fine. Nobody I know seemed to dislike it either so no idea where all the hate for it is coming from. What was the problem with the Dudley's? The daughter was set up from the beginning and was constantly talked about and her death ends up being the whole reason as to why they didn't just destroy the house like any rational person would. On top of that it makes sense that they would want to die in the house to be with their daughter. They lost one kid and it ruined them and so they went over the top with the next one trying to keep her safe and close by so they'd never have to loose a child again. So when it came down to it, them staying in the house to be with her seems to fit pretty well with their character and story. The red room twist was fine, don't see what's exactly wrong with it. It's clearly foreshadowed many times and it plays into the deceptive nature of the house. It gave each member of the family their own safe haven tailored to them but in reality they were quite literally sitting in the stomach and evil epicentre of the house being manipulated and digested. Even if you don't think it's a big deal I don't see how it ruins anything. Having a happy ending for some of the characters is bad? I guess it's a big leap from the depressive tone of the show but it was also meant to be somewhat uplifting and gave the characters a chance to move on. Not only that but some of the characters endings are definitely meant to be ambiguous as to whether they are positive or not, which does tie into the ambiguous nature of the show. If that tone isn't your cup of tea and you'd prefer they all continue being miserable or whatever then that's just your taste and that's okay. Just seems ridiculous to label the ending as being objectively awful for these kinda flimsy reasons.
Ironically, this discussion is like a flashing neon sign that says "don't watch the movie first, it could ruin an ending you might have otherwise loved to experience uncolored."
Sad to say I figured it out by the second episode, and I even had most of the movie pegged by the fourth. Still a decent show but to me it was kind of predictable, or maybe I have seen a lot of movies and tv/Netflix shows.
I know! I kinda suspect it, because the same thing happened in a game I've played. but it still surprised me, and I love the way they did it. And yeah it scared me
oh so you one of those people. insulting others as insecure and as bigots because you just do not agree with them. i wonder of this is the reason you have no friends because of that. now fuck off little boy and do not throw around insults like bigot like they do not mean anything. good night, white knight
I liked the ending a lot. Not every fucking horror story has to have a bad or gloomy ending. It's okay to have a happy ending. And thank fucking christ they ended the show definitively with no cliffhanger.
Here's the problem. ESPECIALLY with the Dudley's, it ISN'T a happy ending. The house won and got to devour his wife and daughter (and we'll assume eventually him). The problem is that cheesy song in the background is making the house come off as this wonderful place when it should seem like....wow that poor family got screwed
@@nateputerbaugh5709 but did they get screwed? I mean we don't actually know the house is why she miscarried. We don't know that Mrs. Crain wasn't crazy. We assume that because of the haunting but we don't know. The caretakers wife got something any mother who's lost a child would kill for. To be with her children forever.
Morgan O'Brien-Bledsoe but the house got the dudleys souls and it doesnt seem like the houses victims are having a nice time the majority of the time although thats just my impression. Steven is stuck as the houses caretaker, the house has killed half the family. The house comes out of the whole situation much better than any of the characters. Also it avoided being destroyed by getting the dudleys to die in the house
ixsicness he brought her there to die. You get to live there forever. You have no idea how they feel being there, I find it silly thinking the ending was bad. You don’t get to judge there story, I’ve never told a story and someone say you know what? I don’t like that ending change it. Weird to me.
I liked the red room "twist". In each room they had the same window and I spotted it in the game room and connected in and they also had dialogue to set it up, the mom not sure what the tree house was, Mrs. Dudley not knowing what the game room was.
I really didn't have a problem with the ending, but around episode 5 I realized the House itself was an eldritch abomination and it would try to survive if threatened. This was not a happy ending this was the house making a deal to survive
I thought the ending was perfectly fine, I don't get the hate for it. They turned it into Pet Semetery. Who doesn't love Pet Semetery. It's a story about loss & family and the ending maintained the themes that were set up through the previous episodes. However, I thought it was going to turn out they all died which could have been better if the house won. However, the ending was kind of similar to the end of the book where one person died then everyone just left and went on with their lives. They have the same source material. So it's like IT 2017 isn't a remake of the 1990 mini-series, it's another adaptation of the book.
The director DID plan on having them stay in the same room in the original script, but changed it because he deemed it "too cruel" for the Crain family. Also, the house DID won... SPOILER: The house still stands claiming souls, their father died, the Dudley's succumbed to its will, Steven is now in charge of it making sure no one sets foot in it while... the house will just wait until it claims him too in the end.
Exactlyyyyyyy!!!!!!!! I loved the ending and it kind of reminded me of the first season of american horror story with the murder house. I actually loved it beginning to end
For me what ruins the ending is the super cheesy light rock song playing in the background. What happens with the other family in particular is a tragedy, and the music makes it seem like it's a happy ending
@Nate Puterbaugh Yes I agree, the music is very dissonant especially when Clara was brought to the house to become a house ghost, but making it look like a happy ending. That said though, I would hilariously laugh if they try to use "A summer place" again because, its the place where they spent the last days of their summer & the novel together with the music was made in the 60's... I don't know really why but, a lot of horror movies used that piece of music. (Omega Man, Rose Red, Blade 3, Dark Shadows, & Beautiful Creatures).
Yeah but pet sementary didn't play off His ending as a happy one, it play off with a sick one. This one goes into AI territory with the happy music the overlly hollywood smiles (something the director of funny games hate about this type of movies) and the scense that you see something beatifull but in really you seen something horrible . You want a series based from that fake "family friendly" tráiler from the shinning? cause this Is how you get a series based in that trailer
I really liked the ending, come at me lol. It's explained while not maintaining mystery. It tied different elements together. It raised the stakes. It's explained the villian. It had a great twist.
If I could change one thing it'd be the music. What happens to the other family is a tragedy, and the incredibly cheesy light rock song plays in the background makes it seem like a happy ending
Pls explain what the motive of the ghosts/house was? Cause I seriously don't get it. They want the family to die? Why not kill them when they're children then?
There were lots of questions deliberately unanswered, in case there's a season two, and the director can go back and explore just what the house is, but I also think, even without actual answers, the house is an entity for all different emotions, metaphors, etc, and it varies from character-to-character. Imo, the house's motive was the same as Olivia's motive; the house wanted to protect the Crains and be their safe space by killing them. As for why people would choose to stay in a house for all eternity and haunt it, well, the house takes a life to ensure others will come, like with the Dudley's. So, because we know the Dudleys are around and there are some Crains, too, we know that not all the ghosts are evil or harmful.
@@tari8134- I think it's because even though the Dudleys hated Hill House with a passion that burns with the intensity of the flames of Hell itself, their love for their daughter is stronger than that. They would rather spend eternity in the house with their daughter than spend it away from the house without her.
I'm honestly failing to see where the end was garbage/a dumpster fire. I loved the whole thing and everything seemed pretty consistent to me all around
To me what ruins the ending is the incredibly cheesy light rock song playing in the background. What happens to the other family in particular is a tragedy, and the song makes it seem like the evil house is now this wonderful place you get to spend eternity with your loved ones in. If I could change one thing itd be that
Nate Puterbaugh I think the song is absolutely fitting. It’s about a house that haunts a person (in the song it’s because of a lost lover) and how truly difficult it is to let go of the pain of your past because it also means letting go of the good. I can see it being cheesy if the rest of the ending didn’t work for you. For me I was so emotionally wrecked at the end of all of it that it was a great catharsis.
the problem with the ending is that being a ghost forever trapped in that house is not a good thing, it's hell, and the ending makes it look like a good thing. and the parents of the little blonde girl reacted like nothing happened, they didn't behave like parents losing a child, they were like "oh, ok, no big deal, her ghost is here"
I just finished watching "The Haunting of Hill House", and by God, I think that Mike Flanagan might be one of the new masters of horror. I mean it, he did SUCH a good job.
I do not get critics (in general) hatred of the ending. Would I call it the best episode? No. But would I say it was an awful ending and that it snatched victory away from the show? Absolutely not. SPOILERS FOR THE ENDING IN A VERY VAGUE SENSE BUT.... Maybe it's bc I've dealt with mental illness, both in myself and in my friends/family, but I felt like the ending was exactly what this story needed. It was uplifting in a way that a lot of horror shows and movies that use mental illness as their fulcrum are not. It's ending said, "Yeah it may not be perfect. Yeah you may lose something. But it's going to be okay. You can be okay." It felt very cathartic. So many horror movies rely on the metaphor of mental illness just consuming a person. Even the original Haunting of Hill House did this. In the Netflix version, we see some of the characters become consumed by this metaphor but the majority come through at the end. It's bittersweet. It's not perfect. It's not "oh everything is 100% okay". But it's healing. It's: letting those wounds fester inside you doesn't help anyone. Least of all you. Steven can talk all he wants about how this is a sickness that his family has, but he doesn't *do* anything about it. He just bottles it up until it nearly destroys his marriage. The message of the end is that you can wall yourself off, but all that does is keep anyone from helping you get better. No one can tear those walls down for you. You have to let them in. Y'all can keep your "metaphor for a mentally ill person destroying themselves" or "metaphor for mentally ill person becomes the villain of their own/everyone else's story". I'll take my "metaphor for recovery being possible if you let people care about you in your most unfiltered form".
If I could change one thing about the ending, it's that incredibly cheesy light rock song playing in the background. What happens to the other family is a tragedy, and that song makes it come off as a happy ending.
100% agree. Probably because I have a mental illness. Seeing people consumed by it over and over and no one ever surviving is painful. I love it more often then not but it still hurts. This gave me hope. Yes the house, mental illness, ate the mother, youngest daughter, and even the strong father but it let the rest go. They survived BECAUSE of the sacrifice their father gave for them. He helped them even though he could not help himself.
@@nateputerbaugh5709 dude do you HAVE to comment that on EVERY single comment about the ending? We all get that you think a mother reuniting with her children is tragic.
@Nate Puterbaugh I mean it is tragic for them in a sense but...at the same time it's the closest to a happy ending that that woman was ever going to get. Her baby died in that house (see: them hearing the babies cries being heard there and the implication of it being stillborn) and her second child died there too. Those two kids are going to be trapped with the house as long as it stands and possibly longer. There's no guarantee that burning the house will free them, and there's no guarantee that anything good will happen to them even if it did. So, to that couple, being reunited with their kids...was their happily ever after. Maybe not perfect but to them that's pretty much as good as they're going to get. At least that's how I saw it.
Just finished the series for the first time (before i watch Bly Manor) and thought the ending was excellent, one of the best wrap ups for anything 'horror' which is usually "its alllll over ORRR ISSSSS IT"
I don’t understand why so many people didn’t like the ending. I thought it was incredible, as well as the rest of the show in general. it was beautiful, heart-breaking and so so so well done. everything got explained and tied together in such a smart way (even if it did break my heart).
I didn’t think the ending was bad it wasn’t the peak of the season but like I thought it was good honestly it could have been better but like it wasn’t horrible it was not as bad as the last episode of castle rock
Because it didn't mesh with the themes of the show. *SPOILERS BELOW* A happy ending like that just seemed.... off. They make nice with all the evil ghosts that were trying to murder them before? It was WAY lighter in tone than the rest of the show, and felt completely off.
Honestly, I felt like it kinda skewed off from the rest of the show, the tone was very different, and the Dad dying didn’t make any sense to me whatsoever. The only parts I liked were Nellie’s goodbye, and the wrap up of The Dudley’s, I was in tears during those parts. The rest was very off.
@@GuyN0ir in what way is the house still being the to keep eating their mother, father and little sister's soul happy? Also, it's still there too get people later and ruin more lives while trapping and driving mad the souls forever stuck in it. Super happy ending. You didn't pay attention did you?
I loved the room reveal because it puts the happy ending in question. The wife tells the father that wasn't her he saw all those years but his ideal delusion to cope. Well the room does the same it makes you see your ideal place to seduce you to come and stay. What if the happy ending is a delusion? The room wants to keep people coming and shows people a paradise instead of the rotted hell they'll actually be trapped in for eternity. I'm probably over thinking it but love this as an option.
I think what really hurts that ending is the really cheesy light rock song in the background. What happens particularly to the Dudleys is a tragedy, and that song makes it seem like a happy ending
The happy ending for the Crains was originally suppose to be them actually trapped in the red room. But the director decided it was too cruel and changed them.
Thanks guys for reviewing the haunting, very much appreciated to hear your thoughts :) Yeah, don't like the ending as well... But to be fair guys, Mike Flanagan DID try to go w/ a downer ending route, but says it would be too cruel, so he decided to: POSSIBLE SPOILER ABOUT THE ENDING: "Toyed with the idea for a little while that over that [Steve’s] monologue, over the image of the family together, we would put the Red Room window in the background. For a while, that was the plan. Maybe they never really got out of that room. The night before it came time to shoot it, I sat up in bed, and I felt guilty about it. I felt like it was cruel. That surprised me. I’d come to love the characters so much that I wanted them to be happy. I came in to work and said, ‘I don’t want to put the window up. I think it’s mean and unfair.’ Once that gear had kicked in, I wanted to lean as far in that direction as possible. We’ve been on this journey for 10 hours; a few minutes of hope was important to me." - Mike Flanagan
Izenfaust I wasn’t a fan of the ending myself. Though honestly I would have been disappointed with that ending too lol but at least it would have made SENSE. we’ve had this emotional buildup towards the characters confronting this evil house that was confirmed to FEED off people. In the current ending, it’s just WAY too feel-good and makes the house look like this haven. Doesn’t really line up with what we’ve seen the house do to people.
I liked it but it did feel a little corny to me. And I did agree some of the scares would have been more if they took a more minimalist approach, but I understand that gets picked apart too. Specifically the boy under the bed and floating Man
The ending reveals this was never a horror story but a tragic life story. The ending is for characters and the audience to realize what the house was all along: not a haunted mansion but a metaphor for those dark places in life where people hide their darkest secrets (Shirley’s one night stand, Hugh’s knowledge of their mother’s madness,) and where you occasionally lock yourself up (Luke’s addiction, Theo’s inability to connect.) The last line about “walking together,” highlights this difference between the original and this completely-different-at-the-core version because we all have a Hill House in our lives that we have to at least once, or perhaps many times, walk through. And just like the end of the show when the characters recognized this crucial truth, the only thing that will help us survive our house is remembering that there are people in our lives who care for us and walk there with us hand in hand to help us get through.
I’ll never understand why anyone would consider someone to not watch this show while they talk about the glamor of it and how entranced they were. Just because you don’t agree with the ending doesn’t mean the you should feel the need to recommend someone to consider NOT watching it. Like what? All the effort put into 9 episodes wasted and for what?
I've seen a lot of horror in my life and nothing new has ever scared me until this show. I know you guys shat on that jump scare in the car, but I thought that was one done super well. I mean when I saw that scene I was paralyzed, I couldn't breathe for second, I was in total shock. And I think quite a few people agree with me on this, but Nell/ the Bent Neck Lady was the best thing in it. I mean every time that figure showed up, just the sheer presence of that character caused my heart to beat rapidly, especially in episode five. I saw both the original black and white and this version I believe this series did Nell's character better because while I thought it was interesting in the original that the "ghost" story was a character study on Nell's damaged psyche, that took up the majority of her character. in that version, she is just a troubled woman trying to escape her harsh reality. I thought this series' Nell was a little more fleshed out. Both Nells are similar in the sense they are troubled women trying to escape their harsh realities, but you feel what this modern Nell is going through. You see that she is trying to move on and fight the horrors of her past trying to live a normal life, but after losing everything and all hope of living a normal life lost, all that pain consumes her in such an extreme way that she is suffering even in death. I found this version of her more relatable. the old Nell, I remember, was a little too eager to give into the house, and while her descent was indeed tragic, it doesn't seem so heavy by comparison.
I think you're both being incredibly melodramatic about the ending. It was a bit disappointing. It wasn't a 'garbage fire' that retroactively ruined the show.
They need to do a format change with this. They both want to talk and talk. They constantly talk over eachother. You know people who say that they have to speak before they forget what they say? That's these two. Don't get me wrong, I like both of these guys. I wish they took turns giving there thoughts than maybe at the end had a discussion. Just get annoyed listening to them obviously hearing eachother talk and yet continue to talk over eachother. Plus the ending wasn't garbage. Seemed like a overreaction to say it was that bad.
Yeah I'm sorry but I would way rather just hear Doug talk his brothers points are pretty much always contradictory to the general public and I'm sorry yes them always talking over eachother is pretty damn annoying and makes their points hard to follow.
I honestly really liked the ending. Not my favorite part from the show, obviously, but the more I thought about the ending, the more I found myself liking it
Because they thought it really was a happy ending and gave that sort of vibe, perhaps they never really thought about that the house actually WON in the end giving it a bittersweet ending. Oh and they also disliked that the ghosts were really after all and not just in the minds of the inhabitants of hill house.
@@izenfaust3856 I think the main problem with the ending is the incredibly cheesy light rock song playing in the background. What happens to the other family in particular is a tragedy, but the music playing in the background makes the EVIL HOUSE come off as a wonderful place where you get to live with your loved ones forever
@Nate Puterbaugh Yes I agree, the music is very dissonant especially when Clara was brought to the house to become a house ghost, but making it look like a happy ending. That said though, I would hilariously laugh if they try to use "A summer place" again because, its the place where they spent the last days of their summer & the novel together with the music was made in the 60's... I don't know really why but, a lot of horror movies used that piece of music. (Omega Man, Rose Red, Blade 3, Dark Shadows, & Beautiful Creatures).
Gregory Alan Isakov, the person who sang and helped write the song (called "If I Go, I'm Goin'"), said in an interview that the song is about a person who's lost his wife, but continued to live in the house where she died, which drove him insane. Hugh lost his wife and the kids lost their mother at Hill House. While they never actually lived there after that, the house was still effecting (affecting? Englishing is hard…) their lives significantly. Plus, the Dudleys lost both of their daughters in the house, and they live just down the road from the house and are its caretakers. Mrs. Dudley dies in the house to be with their two children. I don't know if that changes your view of it at all, but I still wanted to share that. I personally really enjoyed the ending. Also, here's a link to the interview with Gregory Alan Isakov if you want to read it: www.billscorzari.com/heartstrings-magazine/blog/interview-an-afternoon-with-gregory-alan-isakov
*spoilers* The red room isn’t revealed as the heart of the house - it’s the stomach. When the members of the family are in the room (but don’t realise it), the house is feeding on them.
I just finished the series and the abigail reveal was well set up, luke's mentioned her and we've seen her multiple times, we just assumed she was a ghost so to see her being poisoned at the end. I thought it was GREAT!
I just finished episode 5 and I’m into episode 6 already. That one long shot is outstanding. The reveal at the end of episode 5 was shocking but I also had an idea of who it could be, I was between two people: SPOILERS AHEAD I thought it was either the mother or Nell, when i saw it was Nell, I was really shocked, not because i had no clue that it could be her, but because of how well done that last scene was, those last 10 to 15 minutes are one of the best moments in television I’ve seen in a long time.
As someone who has sleep paralysis I must acknowledge they nailed that part, I actually got it after binging this series. Terrifying at first but now I know what it is I enjoy getting it kind of like seeing a horror movie to the extreme, I know its not real when its happening so kinda makes it fun in a messed up way. I maybe alone in that, not sure
You too ? I also got it after watching the show . I thankfully only had it twice but i was so scared but then remembered the show and knew what it was. It was still the most terrifying thing I've ever went through, i really thought i was about to die .
Not a fan of horror movies, and I'm easily scared by them. Loved, LOVED this show though, but wasn't much scared by it, if at all. The story was more tragic and sad than anything else. The plot twists throughout were fantastic, and the amazing acting of the little kids is really what sold me on the show. I definitely think it deserves all the hype it's getting.
The ending was a bit too saccharine, but I didn’t hate it. Some weird writing but I felt plot lines needed to unravel, such as the dad needing to sacrifice himself to unlock the red room. I also liked the reveal of the red room. It serves as an anchor of reality to the person it’s driving insane.
The ending didn't bother as me as much as I didn't quite see it as happy, but that's probably just me. What struck me in the ending (and I'm likely mis-remembering) is the scene where the three hug each other at the end in the "red room" - it seemed the mother never closed her eyes (as the door was closing) in a gentle welcoming hug, but almost in that haunted look, like it's nice to be with her husband and daughter, but they are together in hell, to be devoured by the house. Kind of creeped me out as I couldn't figure out if she was just watching Steve or simply waiting for his arrival to come. Same for the Dudleys: I see it more as the house offering a "heaven" that doesn't exist, but an eternity in hell of being eventually taken over and trapped in the house, even if it is together. I know I'm in the minority, but I found it kind of refreshing that there was at least some moving forward for these characters. At least in Steve's case, as he is now the "caretaker" and who knows what might happen, not sure all of their endings will remain happy, but at least it didn't end with them all dead either. Then again, most people (and these reviewers) are a LOT smarter than me, so I can see the criticisms.
The upbeat ending was a trick . The House gets what it wanted using the Mum for its own ends and will continue to hunt/haunt the family . The remaining family by dealing with there own issues stop being haunted by their own demons. The ending was originally meant to have the red room window in the background but that would have been far to downbeat for almost everyone. Episodes 5/6 were the highlights but the ending is still good. The house tricked you into thinking it was a happy ending 😬
When they talk about the show capturing the "atmosphere" when someone from your family dies suddenly, it's so spot on. We had to go trough similar situation when my brother committed suicide and this shows just does it great. Had to even take breaks because i got some "emotional flashbacks" from it, the horriblee feeling of losing someone you love, the chaos inside your head, the guilt, remorse plus all other dark thoughts and that if something proves at least to me that the show is doing something right. And yeah, the ending was pretty terrible.
The biggest problem I had with the ending was, in the end, there was no risk. If they got killed, they got to be with their mother and each other. So when the dad says they're dying and offers to stay himself, what is the point of his sacrifice?
Ok, one more - "It's like the director assumes we're all idiots" - and yet he missed the ending because the director didn't hit him upside the head with it. Irony!
I know they didn't like the ending, which I totally understand. But I'm surprised after talking about it for an hour, they didn't really dwell on the CHARACTERS. To me, that was the heart of the story. You felt for these characters. What these kids went through and how it affected them was outrageous. Sure, they mentioned the acting was good, but the kid actors were great too! And LUKE! As a kid and an adult, I had such a soft spot for him. This was a great show! And like they mentioned, the directing and cinematography with the stuff happening off focus in the background that mostly never get acknowledged was BRILLIANT! The foreshadowing was BRILLIANT! That "play scene" in the funeral home was BRILLIANT. I loved this show so much!
I loved it, but yeah the ending was a disappointment. I sat there and was like "....really? Okay." Overall it was a great series though. As a lover of the classic movie I felt this was a good nod and shot. I'm excited to see more from this director. Thanks for doing this review I was so excited when it popped up on my phone!
Nell tipped the coffin over because she was angry at them fighting, just like she yelled at Shirley and theo when THEY were fighting. She was at the back of the group when the dads view panned back over the rest of the adult kids after looking at little Nell in the coffin. I assume she also did the buttons to try and tell them she was there
I loved the show. Best horror I have seen in a while. I wish you guys would have enjoyed it for what it was on it's own. I think you did it a disservice by comparing to something it wasn't trying to be.
solid ending, don't have any problem with it what so ever, because i felt so in touch with the characters i actually wanted them to make it out alive, it was super satisfying.
Alright, bare with me here because this requires a small leap of faith. The point of the cheesiness of the Crains cathartic ending is to subtly show how much that the house truly tricked them. The house is an evil force that lives off of pain and cultivates and devours madness. It took from and corrupted the Crains so much in the end, and because the forces of the house tricked them all so well they're all blind to the true awfulness of the situation(s). The house tricked the Dudley's, too, but it self defense. It emotionally manipulated them with the ghost of their daughter to prevent it's own destruction. Look at the story as though the house itself is the main villian of the, a grand evil meticulously playing a chess-like game with and against those who can only scratch the surface of it's true vileness.
Ok, I’ll be the oddball here in regards to the ending. It wasn’t what I expected (it was slightly underwhelming). However, the last five minutes had me sobbing. My thinking is because the emotional buildup worked well enough throughout the ten episodes that it pulled that kind of emotion out of me. I’m rarely someone who will cry at sad moments shown in shows or movies. So this ending was “good” for my end. Then again it could be that “sudden loss” that Rob was talking about; I just went through the sudden loss of my father a few months ago and I am somewhat still in that gloom.
My big problem with the ending honestly is the incredibly cheesy light rock song in the background. They spent 9 1/2 episodes building up the house as this evil thing devouring everyone that lives there. What happens to the other family is a tragedy. It should be viewed as a bad thing his wife died there. Instead it comes off as the house is a wonderful place you get to spend eternity with your family in. That kinda ruins it a bit for me. Different tone was needed there
I HATE THE ENDING. I hate the whole "A baby will make everything better" or "People that don't want children are just confused" narratives. I was so excited to see a childfree character on TV BUT THEY FUCKED IT UP.
I find it odd to compare this series to The Haunting when both are based on Shirley Jackson's novel "The Haunting of Hill House." It's not a riff on the old movie... they're both riffs on the book. And both are their own retelling of the novel anyway. It's a bad comparison.
I honestly thought for a while that the show was going toward the family losing one another without resolving/forgiving/getting past their issues with one another. Particularly with Luke’s story arc, wherein he was totally given up on by his family-him dying would have had a huge impact. I thought there would be an underlying message about how we treat our loved ones. I definitely wasn’t feeling like I saw enough resolution at the end to feel like the family could be happy.
Sequel to the book not the Stanley Kubrick film.... And thats the my main fear with that film, how on earth you Will make a cinematic versión of a sequel book without the original beeing Made properly, outside from that god awfull miniseries. Look Kubrick versión whatever you like, it or not, Is one of the most influencial horror films of all time and trying to be a not related sequel to that you Will have a Lot of weight in your shoulders if you want to be a faithfull, yet not faithfull follow up of the original source material.
If you are faithfull to the book, then you re ruining the continuity and aestetic of the first movie. If You are faithfull to the movie then you Will recibe the same amount of backlash Kubrick recive when he wasn't listening to kings themes. Basicly Is a Lesser between two evils scenario
Yeah, you're right. But the book works fine on its own. I hope they'll ignore the Kubrick version and make a standalone film just about the book - maybe with their own version of the happenings in the Overlook Hotel as a flashback.
yeah but the first one was still kubrick vision so even if you are not wanting to be like him, you will be compared to it not matter what. its like the 2001 sequel, 2010: The Year We Make Contact is not a bad film by any meaning but the original was so grand and ambitious that people will jump into comparation in what will hold and not hold up compared to the original.
You guys hit the nail on the head when it comes to the way this portrayed losing a family member. That numb, "Is this reality?" feeling. Honestly, it's been five years since I lost one of my brothers, and I'm still expecting to wake from that nightmare.
To me the ending is mature and is a nice way to go out, Im not left feeling like im lacking anything but it just doesnt fit in the series so I feel disappointed that the final episode is the one episode that doesnt connect to everything else
If I could change one thing in particular of the ending, it's the cheesy light rock song playing in the background. For the Dudley's in particular, the House won. It killed their daughter. And as they mention in the show repeatedly, after everything the dudley's did to not fall under the house's spell, it gets them and takes the wife (and we'll assume Mr Dudley after). Because of this stupid song, what should be viewed as a tragedy turns the evil house into this wonderful place you get to spend eternity with your loved ones in. It doesn't ruin the episode for me, but it does hurt it significantly
He is doing another Stephen King property. He's adapting Doctor Sleep. Also, there's a shit ton of hidden ghosts in the show. In the episode where the dad finds the body in the wall look behind him when he goes back in to investigate after he screams.
Theo is absolutely my favorite character from the original movie, not just because im in love with her. she is predatory, she is manipulative, but by the end of the movie she does realize that she's pushed Elenore too far. i mean, she can read minds. it makes sense that she'd become a little manipulative and insensitive. but she does realize the error of her ways and sees the consequences of her actions. i don't personally consider her a gay stereotype, but even if she is, not all stereotypes are bad if they can be used to create rounded and interesting characters.
I honestly hate how they called mike Flanagan a director with a lack of faith. This shows is pretty good and there is very little unnecessary content in my opinion nor does it ever feel cheap. Really didn’t like the hate on that and the ending well it’s not even hate Ig but still.
I loved the show. Yes the ending was a little "meh", but the journey was amazingly terrifyring. I suffer from sleep paralasys and depression, and I was horrified. It was just a little too real, and I had to take like 7 breaks during that episode. Jeez what a nightmare......my dreams seemed a bit tame after that ;)
I am so glad someone called out the getting-in-bed "jump scare"! Because my reaction when I saw it was basically "PSSHHFUCK!!!! .........Why did THAT scare me!?" and I'm glad it's an actual thing and I wasn't just being a pussy. Ha ha. -Jac
Wait what? You are not obsessed with this show???? How ? Is literally a masterpiece. I think you were comparing it to much with the first movie and lost the point. And the end is BEAUTIFUL by the way.
While I didn't love the ending, it wasn't as infuriating for me as it was to you guys. I mean, I know that feeling from The Last Exorcism... But for this show. I didn't really get as dissapointed. And man, I really want to see the 63 version... But it's so hard to find over here...
THOHH: hey netflix can i have a show to give a fun little scare? Netflix: to give a fun little scare? THOHH: yeeeeeees. *actually causes trauma like a boss* _controversy time_
I liked the ending. Also it wasnt a birthday cake but a 2yr sobreity cake on the cake it said one day at a time he was obviously older than 2 yrs old 🤣🤣🤣
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Channel Awesome meh
Please Castlevania
Since season two premieres tomorrow
One of the best
Don't know if you know this, but the reason the ending was so happy themed was that the director woke up, and felt too attached to the characters to give them a sad ending.
PLEEEEEASE REVIEW BIG MOUTH (both seasons)
I think you're missing something about the whole "birthday" aspect with Luke. The anniversary of an addict going sober is called a birthday, so when we see the siblings celebrating Luke's second birthday, they're actually celebrating his second year of going sober.
they missed this point for real.
That's fair. I wouldn't expect most people to know how addicts celebrate sobriety.
I don't see how that wasn't obvious lol
Yeah.. I was like.. Really, guys?? Really????
i swear sometimes rob and dough deliberately miss the point. you don't even have to be an addict to understand the context of a sobriety celebration.
The scene in episode 6 where the dad walks in, sees his kids, sees them as the young kids, then goes back to the adults.....wonderful.
This part stayed with me more than the terrifying jump scares
And it’s a long take
All of episode 6 was amazing.
It felt like watching a play.
my pops says he still dreams of us when we were kids..like him making us breakfast and how he missed us being that way..
@@alejandrobonfil2818 exactly
I disagree about the ending. I couldn’t have thought of a better one, I really loved it. Just because it’s a horror show doesn’t mean a tragic ending is required. I really did not want Luke to die, and Nell saved him, and Hugh saved him and the rest of his children by convincing Olivia to let them go. It was bittersweet, and with the characters given to us, I think it worked.
Lauren Frey same, I think the casting for Luke was really good, little kid luke is so precious. Seeing old Luke die would feel like seeing little Luke die
The ending was amazing. It couldn’t have been better. I totally related to the ending and it felt 💯
I was going to be so upset if Luke died!!!
@@xXxDigitalBathxXx ikr!
I liked the ending because now I can sleep again at night. It was cathartic.
To be fair, they DID pave the road for the introduction to the Dudley's kid. The Dudleys talk about her all the time but until the end we haven't actually seen her. Luke talks about this "Abby" that he hangs out with all the time but his brother and sisters tease him about having imaginary friends, so we, the viewers, assume she's a ghost. But it turns out she was real the whole time and the Dudley's sheltered daughter. I didn't think that was a bad reveal because if you had been paying attention, you might have seen it coming. The minute I saw her, I immediately put it together: "Oh shit, Abby's real and she's the Dudley's daughter...they've tried to keep her out of the house all this time...oh fuck, this isn't going to end well."
Ya I realized abby was real and the dudley's daughter pertty soon but I didn't want to accept she just dies after the story about the still birth. I knew she was real but I didn't want to accept it. They did set it up well to make you question though, which is part of the psychological horror
Saying that we didn't see her is blatantly wrong.
@@nikkiesweet7939 when did we see her before the final episode? I can't remember her ever showing up, only being mentioned by young Luke and him drawing her.
@@jimboa20 she shows up in flashbacks with Luke standing at the edge of the forest
@@jimboa20 I can't remember the episode, probably the one focusing on Luke, he's sitting outside with Abby and talking, I think about the tall floating ghost.
This was, without doubt, one of the most powerful, effective, well written, and sorrowful ghost stories I've ever seen.
This show really cut me to the core emotionally, and I haven't felt this much empathy for a set of fictional characters in years.
EDIT* Also, weird, I haven't talked to one person who said they hated the ending. I thought it was fantastic and I actually teared up a bit.
Too me what kills the ending is the damn song in the background. What happens with the Dudleys is a tragedy. They hear their stillborn baby crying. Their daughter dies. Despite all their attempts to keep away from the house, it gets them in the end. And the super cheesy light rock song makes Clara now getting taken by the house seem like a happy ending where she finally gets to be with her family. It's not.
It just depends, from what I've heard is that the people who judge it as a horror series don't like it because they have certain expectations, people who just watch it as a show, not necessarily a horror show, seem to have less of an issue with it or even like it.. So it's all, like everything, perspective and preference
@@nateputerbaugh5709 so true even the father dying and joining the wife, she was not the same person she was before losing her mind to the house, very selfish and even letting him kill himself ( i don't believe, because of how she was presented, she would have been that way outside of the house) and how she stares at the camera while Nellie and her hug the husband... I really didn't feel it was a positive or happy ending, it was bitter...the house is still there and will still not be destroyed because the family now lives here, so the house still " won"... And i really feel alot of people don't seem to feel that perspective..
@@nateputerbaugh5709 I listened to the song before this show was even announced, and to me, it's more of a bittersweet song. Hell, the song is apparently about a guy who's wife dies in a house, and he goes crazy.
It's my favorite tv show ever.
Why is everyone saying the ending is bad? I loved the ending and thought they did the entire final episode perfectly, my wife agrees too. It was completely foreshadowed, they didn't get out unscathed, and it kept it within the themes of the show.
For me what ruins the ending is the super cheesy light rock song playing in the background. What happens with the other family in particular is a tragedy, and the music makes it seem like a happy ending
@@nateputerbaugh5709 how is it not a happy ending? The caretakers got to be with their children. The father got to be with his wife and the wife didn't kill her remaining children. The drug addict has been clean for 2 years, the oldest brother is having a baby, the oldest sisters husband didn't leave her, and the middle sister has allowed someone in. People today as so cynical they WANT a gory bad ending to a haunting story. I find that sad. We got death, we got blood but we also got heart and and easy way to continue the story through Steve the new landlord.
@@MamaMOB Ok sure. Luke gets clean. We can call that part a bittersweet to happy ending. The Dudleys under no circumstances are a happy ending. We've been told for 9 1/2 episodes how evil the house is and how it will do anything to make you think the right thing is for you to die inside of it. They hear their stillborn baby crying. Their daughter is murdered inside. And despite all their attempts to get away from the house, they're all stuck there forever. So yes it seems in the moment "great I get to spend eternity with my daughter." Its a fools bargain. The house as we're told throughout wants you to think that. In reality, you're stuck in limbo, decaying for eternity. That is a tragic ending, not a happy ending.
yeah, all that sounds like your making your own fanfiction, if you ask me. we're literally shown everything as a happy ending and everything you're arguing are assumptions. i'm sorry, did you read the script for season 2? no? then don't assume you know what the director wants to do. besides, did you miss the part where all the ghosts stood and pose for a happy group family photo with cheesy happy music in the background? they were malevolent beings 9 1/2 episodes ago, tormenting and killing the main cast. now everybody is getting along all of a sudden? yeah, terrible ending.
I didn't hate all of it, but like is dead, CPR doesn't bring you back from that. I thought the older couple dying there was sweet.
I was very happy with the show. Though I missed Owen Wilson telling me what was happening all the time.
Reeeeeaaaalllly creepy.
Sometimes I wasn't 100% sure when something was creepy
Wow!
When it comes to the Dudleys at the end of the finale and people not understanding how seeing and being with their children again in Hill House is, in a sense, a happy-ish ending, more bittersweet than anything really, but I think Steve actually summed it up perfectly in the first episode when he's speaking with the lady who saw her dead husband. He told her that people often see what they want to see in times of grief to which she asks him why she would WANT to see him like that, Steve says its because its better than never seeing them again. Being with those you love, even if its in a place like Hill House, is better than not being with them outside of it. Thats how I took it and I loved it.
Didn't have a problem with the ending at all, it was perfectly fine. Nobody I know seemed to dislike it either so no idea where all the hate for it is coming from.
What was the problem with the Dudley's? The daughter was set up from the beginning and was constantly talked about and her death ends up being the whole reason as to why they didn't just destroy the house like any rational person would. On top of that it makes sense that they would want to die in the house to be with their daughter. They lost one kid and it ruined them and so they went over the top with the next one trying to keep her safe and close by so they'd never have to loose a child again. So when it came down to it, them staying in the house to be with her seems to fit pretty well with their character and story.
The red room twist was fine, don't see what's exactly wrong with it. It's clearly foreshadowed many times and it plays into the deceptive nature of the house. It gave each member of the family their own safe haven tailored to them but in reality they were quite literally sitting in the stomach and evil epicentre of the house being manipulated and digested. Even if you don't think it's a big deal I don't see how it ruins anything.
Having a happy ending for some of the characters is bad? I guess it's a big leap from the depressive tone of the show but it was also meant to be somewhat uplifting and gave the characters a chance to move on. Not only that but some of the characters endings are definitely meant to be ambiguous as to whether they are positive or not, which does tie into the ambiguous nature of the show. If that tone isn't your cup of tea and you'd prefer they all continue being miserable or whatever then that's just your taste and that's okay. Just seems ridiculous to label the ending as being objectively awful for these kinda flimsy reasons.
The show was good and kills the 1999 movie
The 1999 is garbage by every standard and shouldn't be used as a comparison for anything
@Livenlove960 i like the 1963 is a little bit better
mcBUFFfluff that’s not hard to do
@Livenlove960 episodes 4-6 are at minimum on par and at times outdo the original. They are absolutely fantastic television
That's NOT really saying much... I mean, outside of Lesbian-Zeta-Jones... what did that movie have going for it?
Ironically, this discussion is like a flashing neon sign that says "don't watch the movie first, it could ruin an ending you might have otherwise loved to experience uncolored."
When you realize who the bent neck lady is 😢
Sad to say I figured it out by the second episode, and I even had most of the movie pegged by the fourth. Still a decent show but to me it was kind of predictable, or maybe I have seen a lot of movies and tv/Netflix shows.
I know! I kinda suspect it, because the same thing happened in a game I've played. but it still surprised me, and I love the way they did it. And yeah it scared me
what a gay comment with that dumbass emoji
Revan 1313 What makes his comment so happy? Ooooh just another insecure bigot. Got it.
oh so you one of those people. insulting others as insecure and as bigots because you just do not agree with them. i wonder of this is the reason you have no friends because of that. now fuck off little boy and do not throw around insults like bigot like they do not mean anything. good night, white knight
I liked the ending a lot. Not every fucking horror story has to have a bad or gloomy ending. It's okay to have a happy ending. And thank fucking christ they ended the show definitively with no cliffhanger.
Here's the problem. ESPECIALLY with the Dudley's, it ISN'T a happy ending. The house won and got to devour his wife and daughter (and we'll assume eventually him). The problem is that cheesy song in the background is making the house come off as this wonderful place when it should seem like....wow that poor family got screwed
@@nateputerbaugh5709 but did they get screwed? I mean we don't actually know the house is why she miscarried. We don't know that Mrs. Crain wasn't crazy. We assume that because of the haunting but we don't know. The caretakers wife got something any mother who's lost a child would kill for. To be with her children forever.
Morgan O'Brien-Bledsoe but the house got the dudleys souls and it doesnt seem like the houses victims are having a nice time the majority of the time although thats just my impression. Steven is stuck as the houses caretaker, the house has killed half the family. The house comes out of the whole situation much better than any of the characters. Also it avoided being destroyed by getting the dudleys to die in the house
i'll take living forever in a mansion in a heartbeat
ixsicness he brought her there to die. You get to live there forever. You have no idea how they feel being there, I find it silly thinking the ending was bad. You don’t get to judge there story, I’ve never told a story and someone say you know what? I don’t like that ending change it. Weird to me.
I liked the red room "twist". In each room they had the same window and I spotted it in the game room and connected in and they also had dialogue to set it up, the mom not sure what the tree house was, Mrs. Dudley not knowing what the game room was.
I really didn't have a problem with the ending, but around episode 5 I realized the House itself was an eldritch abomination and it would try to survive if threatened. This was not a happy ending this was the house making a deal to survive
I thought the ending was perfectly fine, I don't get the hate for it. They turned it into Pet Semetery. Who doesn't love Pet Semetery. It's a story about loss & family and the ending maintained the themes that were set up through the previous episodes. However, I thought it was going to turn out they all died which could have been better if the house won. However, the ending was kind of similar to the end of the book where one person died then everyone just left and went on with their lives.
They have the same source material. So it's like IT 2017 isn't a remake of the 1990 mini-series, it's another adaptation of the book.
The director DID plan on having them stay in the same room in the original script, but changed it because he deemed it "too cruel" for the Crain family. Also, the house DID won...
SPOILER:
The house still stands claiming souls, their father died, the Dudley's succumbed to its will, Steven is now in charge of it making sure no one sets foot in it while... the house will just wait until it claims him too in the end.
Exactlyyyyyyy!!!!!!!! I loved the ending and it kind of reminded me of the first season of american horror story with the murder house. I actually loved it beginning to end
For me what ruins the ending is the super cheesy light rock song playing in the background. What happens with the other family in particular is a tragedy, and the music makes it seem like it's a happy ending
@Nate Puterbaugh Yes I agree, the music is very dissonant especially when Clara was brought to the house to become a house ghost, but making it look like a happy ending.
That said though, I would hilariously laugh if they try to use "A summer place" again because, its the place where they spent the last days of their summer & the novel together with the music was made in the 60's... I don't know really why but, a lot of horror movies used that piece of music. (Omega Man, Rose Red, Blade 3, Dark Shadows, & Beautiful Creatures).
Yeah but pet sementary didn't play off His ending as a happy one, it play off with a sick one. This one goes into AI territory with the happy music the overlly hollywood smiles (something the director of funny games hate about this type of movies) and the scense that you see something beatifull but in really you seen something horrible . You want a series based from that fake "family friendly" tráiler from the shinning? cause this Is how you get a series based in that trailer
I really liked the ending, come at me lol.
It's explained while not maintaining mystery. It tied different elements together. It raised the stakes. It's explained the villian. It had a great twist.
If I could change one thing it'd be the music. What happens to the other family is a tragedy, and the incredibly cheesy light rock song plays in the background makes it seem like a happy ending
Pls explain what the motive of the ghosts/house was? Cause I seriously don't get it. They want the family to die? Why not kill them when they're children then?
The ending made no sense. Why would you want to be stuck in a house with crazy f'd up ghosts forever?
There were lots of questions deliberately unanswered, in case there's a season two, and the director can go back and explore just what the house is, but I also think, even without actual answers, the house is an entity for all different emotions, metaphors, etc, and it varies from character-to-character. Imo, the house's motive was the same as Olivia's motive; the house wanted to protect the Crains and be their safe space by killing them.
As for why people would choose to stay in a house for all eternity and haunt it, well, the house takes a life to ensure others will come, like with the Dudley's. So, because we know the Dudleys are around and there are some Crains, too, we know that not all the ghosts are evil or harmful.
@@tari8134- I think it's because even though the Dudleys hated Hill House with a passion that burns with the intensity of the flames of Hell itself, their love for their daughter is stronger than that. They would rather spend eternity in the house with their daughter than spend it away from the house without her.
I'm honestly failing to see where the end was garbage/a dumpster fire. I loved the whole thing and everything seemed pretty consistent to me all around
To me what ruins the ending is the incredibly cheesy light rock song playing in the background. What happens to the other family in particular is a tragedy, and the song makes it seem like the evil house is now this wonderful place you get to spend eternity with your loved ones in. If I could change one thing itd be that
I thought it was great
Nate Puterbaugh you light rock hate is yours, go be lame somewhere else
Nate Puterbaugh I think the song is absolutely fitting. It’s about a house that haunts a person (in the song it’s because of a lost lover) and how truly difficult it is to let go of the pain of your past because it also means letting go of the good. I can see it being cheesy if the rest of the ending didn’t work for you. For me I was so emotionally wrecked at the end of all of it that it was a great catharsis.
the problem with the ending is that being a ghost forever trapped in
that house is not a good thing, it's hell, and the ending makes it look
like a good thing.
and the parents of the little blonde girl reacted like nothing happened,
they didn't behave like parents losing a child, they were like "oh, ok,
no big deal, her ghost is here"
I just finished watching "The Haunting of Hill House", and by God, I think that Mike Flanagan might be one of the new masters of horror. I mean it, he did SUCH a good job.
I do not get critics (in general) hatred of the ending. Would I call it the best episode? No. But would I say it was an awful ending and that it snatched victory away from the show? Absolutely not.
SPOILERS FOR THE ENDING IN A VERY VAGUE SENSE BUT....
Maybe it's bc I've dealt with mental illness, both in myself and in my friends/family, but I felt like the ending was exactly what this story needed. It was uplifting in a way that a lot of horror shows and movies that use mental illness as their fulcrum are not. It's ending said, "Yeah it may not be perfect. Yeah you may lose something. But it's going to be okay. You can be okay." It felt very cathartic.
So many horror movies rely on the metaphor of mental illness just consuming a person. Even the original Haunting of Hill House did this. In the Netflix version, we see some of the characters become consumed by this metaphor but the majority come through at the end. It's bittersweet. It's not perfect. It's not "oh everything is 100% okay". But it's healing. It's: letting those wounds fester inside you doesn't help anyone. Least of all you. Steven can talk all he wants about how this is a sickness that his family has, but he doesn't *do* anything about it. He just bottles it up until it nearly destroys his marriage.
The message of the end is that you can wall yourself off, but all that does is keep anyone from helping you get better. No one can tear those walls down for you. You have to let them in. Y'all can keep your "metaphor for a mentally ill person destroying themselves" or "metaphor for mentally ill person becomes the villain of their own/everyone else's story". I'll take my "metaphor for recovery being possible if you let people care about you in your most unfiltered form".
If I could change one thing about the ending, it's that incredibly cheesy light rock song playing in the background. What happens to the other family is a tragedy, and that song makes it come off as a happy ending.
100% agree. Probably because I have a mental illness. Seeing people consumed by it over and over and no one ever surviving is painful. I love it more often then not but it still hurts. This gave me hope. Yes the house, mental illness, ate the mother, youngest daughter, and even the strong father but it let the rest go. They survived BECAUSE of the sacrifice their father gave for them. He helped them even though he could not help himself.
@@nateputerbaugh5709 dude do you HAVE to comment that on EVERY single comment about the ending? We all get that you think a mother reuniting with her children is tragic.
Shut up bitch.
@Nate Puterbaugh I mean it is tragic for them in a sense but...at the same time it's the closest to a happy ending that that woman was ever going to get. Her baby died in that house (see: them hearing the babies cries being heard there and the implication of it being stillborn) and her second child died there too. Those two kids are going to be trapped with the house as long as it stands and possibly longer. There's no guarantee that burning the house will free them, and there's no guarantee that anything good will happen to them even if it did. So, to that couple, being reunited with their kids...was their happily ever after. Maybe not perfect but to them that's pretty much as good as they're going to get.
At least that's how I saw it.
I liked the ending, because it wasn't one of those endings where everything was just pointless. I disagree and think the ending was great.
Everything...Was just pointless. The house gets a bunch of them. Olivia's madness is validated by her husband and dead kids choosing to hang out.
I thought it was great too. It brought resolution to these characters and it was growth for them from there tragic childhoods and as broken people.
I really thought they were gonna reveal the dad killed the mom
Just finished the series for the first time (before i watch Bly Manor) and thought the ending was excellent, one of the best wrap ups for anything 'horror' which is usually "its alllll over ORRR ISSSSS IT"
I don’t understand why so many people didn’t like the ending. I thought it was incredible, as well as the rest of the show in general. it was beautiful, heart-breaking and so so so well done. everything got explained and tied together in such a smart way (even if it did break my heart).
I didn’t think the ending was bad it wasn’t the peak of the season but like I thought it was good honestly it could have been better but like it wasn’t horrible it was not as bad as the last episode of castle rock
Lucas Pigliavento I don’t get why folks hate it.
I really don’t get why people think it was so bad. It wasn’t the greatest but it wasn’t bad.
Because it didn't mesh with the themes of the show.
*SPOILERS BELOW*
A happy ending like that just seemed.... off. They make nice with all the evil ghosts that were trying to murder them before? It was WAY lighter in tone than the rest of the show, and felt completely off.
Honestly, I felt like it kinda skewed off from the rest of the show, the tone was very different, and the Dad dying didn’t make any sense to me whatsoever. The only parts I liked were Nellie’s goodbye, and the wrap up of The Dudley’s, I was in tears during those parts. The rest was very off.
@@GuyN0ir in what way is the house still being the to keep eating their mother, father and little sister's soul happy? Also, it's still there too get people later and ruin more lives while trapping and driving mad the souls forever stuck in it.
Super happy ending.
You didn't pay attention did you?
I loved the room reveal because it puts the happy ending in question. The wife tells the father that wasn't her he saw all those years but his ideal delusion to cope. Well the room does the same it makes you see your ideal place to seduce you to come and stay. What if the happy ending is a delusion? The room wants to keep people coming and shows people a paradise instead of the rotted hell they'll actually be trapped in for eternity. I'm probably over thinking it but love this as an option.
I think what really hurts that ending is the really cheesy light rock song in the background. What happens particularly to the Dudleys is a tragedy, and that song makes it seem like a happy ending
The happy ending for the Crains was originally suppose to be them actually trapped in the red room. But the director decided it was too cruel and changed them.
@@laurenwoods4199 however, it was written and filmed in such a way that it's almost open to interpretation.
All I know is this Netflix series was millions upon millions of times better than the 1999 film.
Not difficult.
Thanks guys for reviewing the haunting, very much appreciated to hear your thoughts :)
Yeah, don't like the ending as well... But to be fair guys, Mike Flanagan DID try to go w/ a downer ending route, but says it would be too cruel, so he decided to:
POSSIBLE SPOILER ABOUT THE ENDING:
"Toyed with the idea for a little while that over that [Steve’s] monologue, over the image of the family together, we would put the Red Room window in the background. For a while, that was the plan. Maybe they never really got out of that room. The night before it came time to shoot it, I sat up in bed, and I felt guilty about it. I felt like it was cruel. That surprised me. I’d come to love the characters so much that I wanted them to be happy. I came in to work and said, ‘I don’t want to put the window up. I think it’s mean and unfair.’ Once that gear had kicked in, I wanted to lean as far in that direction as possible. We’ve been on this journey for 10 hours; a few minutes of hope was important to me." - Mike Flanagan
Izenfaust I wasn’t a fan of the ending myself. Though honestly I would have been disappointed with that ending too lol but at least it would have made SENSE. we’ve had this emotional buildup towards the characters confronting this evil house that was confirmed to FEED off people. In the current ending, it’s just WAY too feel-good and makes the house look like this haven. Doesn’t really line up with what we’ve seen the house do to people.
Sorry, the ending wrapped up the characters perfectly and it all felt very natural.
I agree. I loved the ending. I cried a few times.
I liked it but it did feel a little corny to me.
And I did agree some of the scares would have been more if they took a more minimalist approach, but I understand that gets picked apart too.
Specifically the boy under the bed and floating Man
The ending reveals this was never a horror story but a tragic life story. The ending is for characters and the audience to realize what the house was all along: not a haunted mansion but a metaphor for those dark places in life where people hide their darkest secrets (Shirley’s one night stand, Hugh’s knowledge of their mother’s madness,) and where you occasionally lock yourself up (Luke’s addiction, Theo’s inability to connect.) The last line about “walking together,” highlights this difference between the original and this completely-different-at-the-core version because we all have a Hill House in our lives that we have to at least once, or perhaps many times, walk through. And just like the end of the show when the characters recognized this crucial truth, the only thing that will help us survive our house is remembering that there are people in our lives who care for us and walk there with us hand in hand to help us get through.
I’ll never understand why anyone would consider someone to not watch this show while they talk about the glamor of it and how entranced they were. Just because you don’t agree with the ending doesn’t mean the you should feel the need to recommend someone to consider NOT watching it. Like what? All the effort put into 9 episodes wasted and for what?
Well yeah, I know it can be a shock when you watch shitty endless TV shows all the time but the ending in a story is kinda important....
ikr! they called it brilliant and a masterpiece yet the say its a disappointment JUST bc of the ending?? it wasnt THAT bad!
I've seen a lot of horror in my life and nothing new has ever scared me until this show. I know you guys shat on that jump scare in the car, but I thought that was one done super well. I mean when I saw that scene I was paralyzed, I couldn't breathe for second, I was in total shock. And I think quite a few people agree with me on this, but Nell/ the Bent Neck Lady was the best thing in it. I mean every time that figure showed up, just the sheer presence of that character caused my heart to beat rapidly, especially in episode five. I saw both the original black and white and this version I believe this series did Nell's character better because while I thought it was interesting in the original that the "ghost" story was a character study on Nell's damaged psyche, that took up the majority of her character. in that version, she is just a troubled woman trying to escape her harsh reality. I thought this series' Nell was a little more fleshed out. Both Nells are similar in the sense they are troubled women trying to escape their harsh realities, but you feel what this modern Nell is going through. You see that she is trying to move on and fight the horrors of her past trying to live a normal life, but after losing everything and all hope of living a normal life lost, all that pain consumes her in such an extreme way that she is suffering even in death. I found this version of her more relatable. the old Nell, I remember, was a little too eager to give into the house, and while her descent was indeed tragic, it doesn't seem so heavy by comparison.
I think you're both being incredibly melodramatic about the ending. It was a bit disappointing. It wasn't a 'garbage fire' that retroactively ruined the show.
Yeah this guy is overreacting
Wow, Beard Rob is great.
Idk it looks so werid to me
@@theonemememaker3704 Give it time people always look weird when they grow or shave facial hair
@@briantinsley3598 Right? At least he didn't take his glasses off too, then everyone'd be thrown for a loop. Lol
He looks good
They need to do a format change with this. They both want to talk and talk. They constantly talk over eachother. You know people who say that they have to speak before they forget what they say? That's these two. Don't get me wrong, I like both of these guys. I wish they took turns giving there thoughts than maybe at the end had a discussion. Just get annoyed listening to them obviously hearing eachother talk and yet continue to talk over eachother. Plus the ending wasn't garbage. Seemed like a overreaction to say it was that bad.
Yeah I'm sorry but I would way rather just hear Doug talk his brothers points are pretty much always contradictory to the general public and I'm sorry yes them always talking over eachother is pretty damn annoying and makes their points hard to follow.
There was more interrupting in this than the presidential debate.
Sorry but the jump scare in one of the last eps, where nell pops out when they're driving was JARRING
I honestly really liked the ending. Not my favorite part from the show, obviously, but the more I thought about the ending, the more I found myself liking it
Yeah I dont understand why they dislike it
Because they thought it really was a happy ending and gave that sort of vibe, perhaps they never really thought about that the house actually WON in the end giving it a bittersweet ending. Oh and they also disliked that the ghosts were really after all and not just in the minds of the inhabitants of hill house.
@@izenfaust3856 I think the main problem with the ending is the incredibly cheesy light rock song playing in the background. What happens to the other family in particular is a tragedy, but the music playing in the background makes the EVIL HOUSE come off as a wonderful place where you get to live with your loved ones forever
@Nate Puterbaugh Yes I agree, the music is very dissonant especially when Clara was brought to the house to become a house ghost, but making it look like a happy ending.
That said though, I would hilariously laugh if they try to use "A summer place" again because, its the place where they spent the last days of their summer & the novel together with the music was made in the 60's... I don't know really why but, a lot of horror movies used that piece of music. (Omega Man, Rose Red, Blade 3, Dark Shadows, & Beautiful Creatures).
I loved the ending. Hated the guitar song
The song is by far the worst part of the ending. Change that song to something more dour and it's much better
Gregory Alan Isakov, the person who sang and helped write the song (called "If I Go, I'm Goin'"), said in an interview that the song is about a person who's lost his wife, but continued to live in the house where she died, which drove him insane. Hugh lost his wife and the kids lost their mother at Hill House. While they never actually lived there after that, the house was still effecting (affecting? Englishing is hard…) their lives significantly. Plus, the Dudleys lost both of their daughters in the house, and they live just down the road from the house and are its caretakers. Mrs. Dudley dies in the house to be with their two children. I don't know if that changes your view of it at all, but I still wanted to share that. I personally really enjoyed the ending.
Also, here's a link to the interview with Gregory Alan Isakov if you want to read it:
www.billscorzari.com/heartstrings-magazine/blog/interview-an-afternoon-with-gregory-alan-isakov
*spoilers*
The red room isn’t revealed as the heart of the house - it’s the stomach. When the members of the family are in the room (but don’t realise it), the house is feeding on them.
In regards to the ending, Flanagan said it was earned after all the family went through.
They ended it like that because theres like 3 more seasons ordered by Netflix
I just finished the series and the abigail reveal was well set up, luke's mentioned her and we've seen her multiple times, we just assumed she was a ghost so to see her being poisoned at the end. I thought it was GREAT!
I just started it today and I’m loving it so far
If you just started watching the haunting of hill house pay attention to the backround there is hidden ghost in it
Come back after you finish it and tell us about it, would love to hear your opinion.
I finished it a couple days ago, it's pretty great.
I just finished episode 5 and I’m into episode 6 already. That one long shot is outstanding. The reveal at the end of episode 5 was shocking but I also had an idea of who it could be, I was between two people:
SPOILERS AHEAD
I thought it was either the mother or Nell, when i saw it was Nell, I was really shocked, not because i had no clue that it could be her, but because of how well done that last scene was, those last 10 to 15 minutes are one of the best moments in television I’ve seen in a long time.
As someone who has sleep paralysis I must acknowledge they nailed that part, I actually got it after binging this series. Terrifying at first but now I know what it is I enjoy getting it kind of like seeing a horror movie to the extreme, I know its not real when its happening so kinda makes it fun in a messed up way. I maybe alone in that, not sure
You too ? I also got it after watching the show . I thankfully only had it twice but i was so scared but then remembered the show and knew what it was. It was still the most terrifying thing I've ever went through, i really thought i was about to die .
“Nostalgia Critic: We hate everything so you don’t have to”
Good, the show wasn't as great as people say and a couple people disliking it ain't hurting it.
Not a fan of horror movies, and I'm easily scared by them. Loved, LOVED this show though, but wasn't much scared by it, if at all. The story was more tragic and sad than anything else. The plot twists throughout were fantastic, and the amazing acting of the little kids is really what sold me on the show. I definitely think it deserves all the hype it's getting.
100% agree!
I love how Rob is very knowledgeable in literature and behind the cinematography and Doug is more knowledgeable in directing.
The ending was a bit too saccharine, but I didn’t hate it. Some weird writing but I felt plot lines needed to unravel, such as the dad needing to sacrifice himself to unlock the red room. I also liked the reveal of the red room. It serves as an anchor of reality to the person it’s driving insane.
Hey Guys, you are in luck! Flanagan is adapting Doctor Sleep next!
Jon Grinsell So it is becoming a film?
Katetanic Yep. Ewan McGregor is playing Danny Torrance.
Jon Grinsell wait really ?
He should adapt The Shining first. Kubrick and King both failed at it.
Voridori Kubrick made a good film through making not technically the best adaptation.
I feel like you guys missed the message of the show: "It's about family" - The Haunting 1999
The ending didn't bother as me as much as I didn't quite see it as happy, but that's probably just me. What struck me in the ending (and I'm likely mis-remembering) is the scene where the three hug each other at the end in the "red room" - it seemed the mother never closed her eyes (as the door was closing) in a gentle welcoming hug, but almost in that haunted look, like it's nice to be with her husband and daughter, but they are together in hell, to be devoured by the house. Kind of creeped me out as I couldn't figure out if she was just watching Steve or simply waiting for his arrival to come. Same for the Dudleys: I see it more as the house offering a "heaven" that doesn't exist, but an eternity in hell of being eventually taken over and trapped in the house, even if it is together. I know I'm in the minority, but I found it kind of refreshing that there was at least some moving forward for these characters. At least in Steve's case, as he is now the "caretaker" and who knows what might happen, not sure all of their endings will remain happy, but at least it didn't end with them all dead either. Then again, most people (and these reviewers) are a LOT smarter than me, so I can see the criticisms.
Olorin8977 To be fair, I did like their suggestion for the ending
I’ve always found it fascinating whenever Doug and Rob talk I do really learn a lot
The upbeat ending was a trick . The House gets what it wanted using the Mum for its own ends and will continue to hunt/haunt the family . The remaining family by dealing with there own issues stop being haunted by their own demons.
The ending was originally meant to have the red room window in the background but that would have been far to downbeat for almost everyone.
Episodes 5/6 were the highlights but the ending is still good. The house tricked you into thinking it was a happy ending 😬
Oooh that's good
*You forgot to put 3AM and GONE WRONG in the title*
When they talk about the show capturing the "atmosphere" when someone from your family dies suddenly, it's so spot on. We had to go trough similar situation when my brother committed suicide and this shows just does it great.
Had to even take breaks because i got some "emotional flashbacks" from it, the horriblee feeling of losing someone you love, the chaos inside your head, the guilt, remorse plus all other dark thoughts and that if something proves at least to me that the show is doing something right.
And yeah, the ending was pretty terrible.
Loved how Captain Lame was really plugging the Netflix Daredevil.
The biggest problem I had with the ending was, in the end, there was no risk. If they got killed, they got to be with their mother and each other. So when the dad says they're dying and offers to stay himself, what is the point of his sacrifice?
Ok, one more -
"It's like the director assumes we're all idiots" - and yet he missed the ending because the director didn't hit him upside the head with it. Irony!
Lol exactly.
I know they didn't like the ending, which I totally understand. But I'm surprised after talking about it for an hour, they didn't really dwell on the CHARACTERS. To me, that was the heart of the story. You felt for these characters. What these kids went through and how it affected them was outrageous. Sure, they mentioned the acting was good, but the kid actors were great too! And LUKE! As a kid and an adult, I had such a soft spot for him. This was a great show! And like they mentioned, the directing and cinematography with the stuff happening off focus in the background that mostly never get acknowledged was BRILLIANT! The foreshadowing was BRILLIANT! That "play scene" in the funeral home was BRILLIANT. I loved this show so much!
I loved it, but yeah the ending was a disappointment. I sat there and was like "....really? Okay." Overall it was a great series though. As a lover of the classic movie I felt this was a good nod and shot. I'm excited to see more from this director. Thanks for doing this review I was so excited when it popped up on my phone!
Nell tipped the coffin over because she was angry at them fighting, just like she yelled at Shirley and theo when THEY were fighting. She was at the back of the group when the dads view panned back over the rest of the adult kids after looking at little Nell in the coffin. I assume she also did the buttons to try and tell them she was there
I loved the show. Best horror I have seen in a while. I wish you guys would have enjoyed it for what it was on it's own. I think you did it a disservice by comparing to something it wasn't trying to be.
solid ending, don't have any problem with it what so ever, because i felt so in touch with the characters i actually wanted them to make it out alive, it was super satisfying.
Alright, bare with me here because this requires a small leap of faith. The point of the cheesiness of the Crains cathartic ending is to subtly show how much that the house truly tricked them. The house is an evil force that lives off of pain and cultivates and devours madness. It took from and corrupted the Crains so much in the end, and because the forces of the house tricked them all so well they're all blind to the true awfulness of the situation(s). The house tricked the Dudley's, too, but it self defense. It emotionally manipulated them with the ghost of their daughter to prevent it's own destruction. Look at the story as though the house itself is the main villian of the, a grand evil meticulously playing a chess-like game with and against those who can only scratch the surface of it's true vileness.
It seems like they didn't even pay attention to the show...
Ok, I’ll be the oddball here in regards to the ending. It wasn’t what I expected (it was slightly underwhelming). However, the last five minutes had me sobbing. My thinking is because the emotional buildup worked well enough throughout the ten episodes that it pulled that kind of emotion out of me. I’m rarely someone who will cry at sad moments shown in shows or movies. So this ending was “good” for my end. Then again it could be that “sudden loss” that Rob was talking about; I just went through the sudden loss of my father a few months ago and I am somewhat still in that gloom.
My big problem with the ending honestly is the incredibly cheesy light rock song in the background. They spent 9 1/2 episodes building up the house as this evil thing devouring everyone that lives there. What happens to the other family is a tragedy. It should be viewed as a bad thing his wife died there. Instead it comes off as the house is a wonderful place you get to spend eternity with your family in. That kinda ruins it a bit for me. Different tone was needed there
KATROSE92 I was sobbing
"Lighting doesnt strike twice" except it does that is what lighting rods are for
You guys are overreacting hard on that ending. That ending was fine. And some of the criticism comes from a lack of attention to the episode.
I HATE THE ENDING. I hate the whole "A baby will make everything better" or "People that don't want children are just confused" narratives. I was so excited to see a childfree character on TV BUT THEY FUCKED IT UP.
I find it odd to compare this series to The Haunting when both are based on Shirley Jackson's novel "The Haunting of Hill House." It's not a riff on the old movie... they're both riffs on the book. And both are their own retelling of the novel anyway. It's a bad comparison.
I honestly thought for a while that the show was going toward the family losing one another without resolving/forgiving/getting past their issues with one another. Particularly with Luke’s story arc, wherein he was totally given up on by his family-him dying would have had a huge impact. I thought there would be an underlying message about how we treat our loved ones. I definitely wasn’t feeling like I saw enough resolution at the end to feel like the family could be happy.
I think Mike Flanagan will be the director for Dr. Sleep - which is the sequel to Shining.
Sequel to the book not the Stanley Kubrick film.... And thats the my main fear with that film, how on earth you Will make a cinematic versión of a sequel book without the original beeing Made properly, outside from that god awfull miniseries. Look Kubrick versión whatever you like, it or not, Is one of the most influencial horror films of all time and trying to be a not related sequel to that you Will have a Lot of weight in your shoulders if you want to be a faithfull, yet not faithfull follow up of the original source material.
If you are faithfull to the book, then you re ruining the continuity and aestetic of the first movie. If You are faithfull to the movie then you Will recibe the same amount of backlash Kubrick recive when he wasn't listening to kings themes. Basicly Is a Lesser between two evils scenario
Yeah, you're right. But the book works fine on its own. I hope they'll ignore the Kubrick version and make a standalone film just about the book - maybe with their own version of the happenings in the Overlook Hotel as a flashback.
yeah but the first one was still kubrick vision so even if you are not wanting to be like him, you will be compared to it not matter what. its like the 2001 sequel, 2010: The Year We Make Contact is not a bad film by any meaning but the original was so grand and ambitious that people will jump into comparation in what will hold and not hold up compared to the original.
@@motor4X4kombat thats technically a sequel.
I love the ending. It give hope that life isn’t so horrible.
His brother makes it so hard for me to watch the video because he wont stop speaking over him!
And yet it was also intriguing to watch
You guys hit the nail on the head when it comes to the way this portrayed losing a family member. That numb, "Is this reality?" feeling. Honestly, it's been five years since I lost one of my brothers, and I'm still expecting to wake from that nightmare.
I watched it so much that after I finished it I had to watch some Bob Ross to get me back in the game
To me the ending is mature and is a nice way to go out, Im not left feeling like im lacking anything but it just doesnt fit in the series so I feel disappointed that the final episode is the one episode that doesnt connect to everything else
I don’t see what was wrong with the ending. I liked it!
If I could change one thing in particular of the ending, it's the cheesy light rock song playing in the background. For the Dudley's in particular, the House won. It killed their daughter. And as they mention in the show repeatedly, after everything the dudley's did to not fall under the house's spell, it gets them and takes the wife (and we'll assume Mr Dudley after). Because of this stupid song, what should be viewed as a tragedy turns the evil house into this wonderful place you get to spend eternity with your loved ones in. It doesn't ruin the episode for me, but it does hurt it significantly
The problem was that it didn't make any sense.
I don’t understand your disdain for the ending whatsoever
He is doing another Stephen King property. He's adapting Doctor Sleep. Also, there's a shit ton of hidden ghosts in the show. In the episode where the dad finds the body in the wall look behind him when he goes back in to investigate after he screams.
Theo is absolutely my favorite character from the original movie, not just because im in love with her. she is predatory, she is manipulative, but by the end of the movie she does realize that she's pushed Elenore too far. i mean, she can read minds. it makes sense that she'd become a little manipulative and insensitive. but she does realize the error of her ways and sees the consequences of her actions. i don't personally consider her a gay stereotype, but even if she is, not all stereotypes are bad if they can be used to create rounded and interesting characters.
I liked the ending.
I honestly hate how they called mike Flanagan a director with a lack of faith. This shows is pretty good and there is very little unnecessary content in my opinion nor does it ever feel cheap. Really didn’t like the hate on that and the ending well it’s not even hate Ig but still.
I loved the show. Yes the ending was a little "meh", but the journey was amazingly terrifyring. I suffer from sleep paralasys and depression, and I was horrified. It was just a little too real, and I had to take like 7 breaks during that episode. Jeez what a nightmare......my dreams seemed a bit tame after that ;)
I am so glad someone called out the getting-in-bed "jump scare"! Because my reaction when I saw it was basically "PSSHHFUCK!!!! .........Why did THAT scare me!?" and I'm glad it's an actual thing and I wasn't just being a pussy. Ha ha.
-Jac
Am I the only one that was creeped out by the casting of the parents (if you've seen Gerald's Game)?
ThatMissQuin no!! Lol I was so uncomfortable the first 2 episodes because of that 😂😂
The ending was perfect.
I like the ending. I can't deal with another horror movie ending of everyone dying.
I like all the added photos and text conversation screenshot. Sibling Rivalry is already my favorite series here but this makes all the more personal!
So glad someone is talking about this
Everyone is talking about this
Not on my feed... unfortunately
Wait what? You are not obsessed with this show???? How ? Is literally a masterpiece. I think you were comparing it to much with the first movie and lost the point.
And the end is BEAUTIFUL by the way.
Hey guys. Mike Flanagan is doing Dr. Sleep
I dont know what the fuck you two are on but the ending was perfect.
I finished day before yesterday and it was so good. 10/10
While I didn't love the ending, it wasn't as infuriating for me as it was to you guys. I mean, I know that feeling from The Last Exorcism... But for this show. I didn't really get as dissapointed.
And man, I really want to see the 63 version... But it's so hard to find over here...
THOHH: hey netflix can i have a show to give a fun little scare?
Netflix: to give a fun little scare?
THOHH: yeeeeeees.
*actually causes trauma like a boss*
_controversy time_
What?
@@nubnubthegreat8215 i heard that the show was making people physically ill
it is not a movie
I liked the ending. Also it wasnt a birthday cake but a 2yr sobreity cake on the cake it said one day at a time he was obviously older than 2 yrs old 🤣🤣🤣
Rob’s growing a beard.
I love how they came to a different conclusion than their entire comment section regarding the ending.